Assembly Standing Committee on Local Government
- Juan Carrillo
Legislator
Good afternoon everyone and welcome to the Assembly Local Government Committee hearing. I would like to remind the public that testimony will be in person for this and future hearings as we no longer use the moderated telephone service. We also accept written testimony to the position of the portal on the Committee's website.
- Juan Carrillo
Legislator
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- Juan Carrillo
Legislator
As we proceed with the witnesses and public comment, I want to make sure everyone understands that the Assembly has rules to ensure we maintain order and run an efficient and fair hearing.
- Juan Carrillo
Legislator
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- Juan Carrillo
Legislator
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- Juan Carrillo
Legislator
Public comment may be provided only at the signated time and place and as permitted by the Chair. Public comment may relate to the subject of bills or information being discussed today. No engaging incident that disrupts, disturbs or otherwise impedes the orderly conduct of this hearing.
- Juan Carrillo
Legislator
Please be aware that these violations, any violations of the rules may subject you to removal or other enforcement actions. We have only 27 bills today. Three of these are proposed for the consent calendar and they are Item 3, AB 385 by Assemblymember Ramos. Item 23, AB 1275, Assemblymember Elhawary. Item 24, AB 1276 by Assemblymember Carrillo.
- Juan Carrillo
Legislator
All the other bills will be heard in file order except that we had a request to have Assemblymember Jackson's Bill be heard first because he will have to go to open up a Committee. His Committee. Looks like we do not have quorum at this time. Would you like to proceed, Assembly Member Jackson? And again, that's item number four, AB407.
- Corey Jackson
Legislator
Thank you very much, Mr. Chair. I want to thank Committee staff for their work on this Bill and we'll. Be accepting the Committee's amendments today. AB407 is a Bill that broadens eligibility and expenditure options in state run loan programs, helping more small businesses access funding for environmental upgrades, seismic safety and Ada compliance.
- Corey Jackson
Legislator
This Bill is sponsored by our State Treasurer, Fiona Ma. And with me today is Deputy Treasurer Kaim Morton to provide technical assistance to this Committee.
- Khaim Morton
Person
Good afternoon. Khaim Morton, Deputy Treasurer, Office of State Treasurer Fiona Ma here is in support of AB407 by Assemblymember Jackson, which will help the State Treasurer's office and State Treasurer in her capacity as chair of the California Pollution Control Financing Authority, otherwise known as CPCFA, the California Capital Access Program, known as CalCap.
- Khaim Morton
Person
Within that, it helps incentivize lenders to make loans to small businesses using loan loss reserves and collateral support. The program has grown considerably from its initial single loan loss Reserve to encompass over several different variations. And through that, it helps provide a crucial buffer for to protect lenders against total financial loss resulting from borrower default.
- Khaim Morton
Person
Among those is a program to help borrowers secure funding for Ada as well as seismic requirements. AB407 will help in terms of loosening some of the restrictions so that we can better work with borrowers and their lenders so that they can more easily access the the funding to do the needed repairs. Again, we thank the Committee and the staff for their for the work.
- Juan Carrillo
Legislator
Thank you. Anybody else in the audience that wants to add on support? Seeing none. How about any principal witnesses in opposition? Anybody in the public? See none. Committee Members, any questions or comments? No questions or comments at this time. We don't have a quorum. We're operating as a Subcommitee right now. Would you like to close? Assembly Member Jackson,
- Juan Carrillo
Legislator
Thank you, Assemblymember Jackson. Just for the record, you did accept the Committee amendments, correct? Thank you, Assemblymember Papan. Item number two on the agenda, when you're ready.
- Diane Papan
Legislator
Good afternoon, Chair and Members. Happy Wednesday. I'm delighted to be with you. I would like to thank the Committee for their efforts on this Bill. And I will start with AB 93, and we will accept Committee amendments, lest I not make the same mistake as my predecessor in this Chair. All righty.
- Diane Papan
Legislator
So this Bill deals with data centers and in particular, their use of water. Being Chair of Water Parks and Wildlife, I felt compelled to take this on. So as we know, water is one of California's most precious resources, and data centers are thirsty. AB 93 is all about ensuring data centers operate responsibly, balancing innovation with sustainability.
- Diane Papan
Legislator
So this Bill is a bipartisan, pragmatic response to the rapid growth of artificial intelligence, cloud computing and remote work, which have driven an unprecedented demand for data centers. While data centers offer some real great economic benefits, including tax revenue and short term construction jobs. Their long term environmental costs shouldn't be ignored in the process.
- Diane Papan
Legislator
So that's kind of what this Bill seeks to address. This resource strain is felt most in water stressed areas. So a single midsize data center can use 300 gallons, 300,000 gallons of water daily, while larger facilities can use up to 5 million gallons, comparable to a town of 50,000 people and their water uses.
- Diane Papan
Legislator
And as I said, this resource strain is felt most in water stress areas where companies are drawn to to cheap power while often sort of disregarding that water impact and that water part of the equation. So the availability of this much needed resource is further reduced by California's prolonged droughts, rising temps and declining snowpack.
- Diane Papan
Legislator
Unlike energy, which can be supplemented by backup generators, water availability depends on environmental factors and can't be easily replaced. AB 93 tackles these challenges by requiring the Department of Water Resources develop to develop best management practices for data centers. So we're going to do it at the state level.
- Diane Papan
Legislator
Mandating data centers to estimate water use when applying for business licenses. That's a local. And report actual consumption upon renewal. Directing public entities to evaluate how data center water use affects overall system costs and tasking the State Water Resources Control Board and California Energy Commission with developing best practices for emerging technologies.
- Diane Papan
Legislator
This Bill empowers local governments to responsibly manage water use while supporting technological progress. We can't allow the unconstrained growth of data centers to jeopardize the future of our water supply. Trying to really seek a balance here. With me today to testify is Shaolei Ren from the University of Riverside.
- Diane Papan
Legislator
He's a Professor there and Sean Bothwell, Executive Director of California Coast Keeper Alliance. So we'll start with the Professor first and you have two minutes. Is that right? Two minutes.
- Shaolei Ren
Person
Good afternoon. My name is Shaolei Ren. I'm an associate Professor at UC Riverside. I'm here in my personal capacity to testify on my research and the technical aspects of water consumption by data centers. I'm not representing the University or weigh in on the policy itself.
- Shaolei Ren
Person
First, as we all know, data centers are energy consuming and produces a lot of heat which must be removed to keep the servers running properly. Due to the energy efficiency. Water evaporation is often used as the main or supplementary method for data center cooling.
- Shaolei Ren
Person
One tech company consumes over 20 billion liters of water each year, which is roughly the same as the direct water consumption of a major beverage company. According to one tech company's sustainability reports, about 80% of the water consumption is drinking water and water consumption is a technical term.
- Shaolei Ren
Person
It's the difference between the water withdrawal and water discharge. According to one tech company's report, about 80% of the water withdrawal is evaporated and sometimes considered permanently lost. This is the key difference from other water users.
- Shaolei Ren
Person
When assessing the impacts of water data centers on water infrastructure, both the annual total water usage and peak water usage are important to consider. As highlighted in my research, there's not much information available in the public. According to the estimated water usage effectiveness In 2023, California data center consumed about 5 billion liters water.
- Shaolei Ren
Person
And based on the national data center growth rate projected by the Lawrence Berkeley National Lab report, in 2024, the water consumption by California data center could double or even quadruple in 2028 compared to the 2023 level. In response to the congressional request, the U.S.
- Shaolei Ren
Person
Government Accountability Office released a report on the environmental and human effects of generative AI. This report outlines a few potential implementations approaches for governments, including encouraging collection and reporting of data center water efficiency information. And finally, water consumption is also often needed for offset electricity generation.
- Shaolei Ren
Person
According to the Lawrence Berkeley National Lab report, the sum of on site and offset water consumption reflects the true water cost of data centers. Some tech companies have begun to report their offset water consumption in sustainability reports. This information could be useful for assessing the impacts of data centers on regional water resources.
- Shaolei Ren
Person
Thank you for your time and I'm happy to answer any technical questions.
- Juan Carrillo
Legislator
Primary witnesses have three minutes. Okay, just to clarify that. Three minutes.
- Sean Bothwell
Person
Good morning Chair, Sean Bothwell, Executive Director for California Coastkeeper Alliance. California is already under tremendous pressure to balance their water supply and meet the needs of Californians. Climate change is only making that pressure worse. And then you add AI data centers or data centers generally into communities and it only further stresses our water supplies.
- Sean Bothwell
Person
And so it's really important. We're very strong supporters of AB 93 because AB 93 provides three very helpful ways for us to monitor and decrease the water usage of these data centers. First, makes data centers participate in our making conservation a way of life regulations.
- Sean Bothwell
Person
Two, makes the data centers report their assumed usage of water to local government before a business license is issued. Which is really important because local government should know how much water is being used before issuing that business license. And then third, I think most importantly, data centers would be required to report their actual usage to cities.
- Sean Bothwell
Person
And that's important because in order to do water rates appropriately, you need to know who the most heavy use water users are. Otherwise low income communities are going to be the ones on the hook subsidizing for those high water uses.
- Sean Bothwell
Person
The research and the data out there is clear that just about all water rates are regressive in one way or another. But when you add high water users on to the system, it's the low income communities that pay the worst for it. And so for those reasons, we ask for your aye vote thank you.
- Juan Carrillo
Legislator
Thank you. Anybody in the audience that wants to honor any support, please state your name, affiliation and position on the Bill.
- Melissa Sparks-Kranz
Person
Thank you. Chair and Members Melissa Sparks-Kranz with the League of California Cities we had a little bit of a tweener position previous in the previous Committee and we're very appreciative to the author and her office and the Committee for the amendments proposed. Thank you very much.
- Juan Carrillo
Legislator
Anybody else, seeing none. Any primary witnesses in opposition can have a seat and you have up to three minutes. Thank you.
- Kara Bunder
Person
Good afternoon Mr. Chair, Members of the Committee, thank you for the opportunity to speak today. My name is Kara Bunder in respectful opposition to AB 93 on behalf of the Data Center Coalition.
- Kara Bunder
Person
DCC is the National Association for the Data Center Industry and our members include leading data center owners and operators as well as companies that lease large amounts of data center capacity. We appreciate the author's engagement and look forward to our continued conversation and we also look forward to reviewing the recent amendments with our membership.
- Kara Bunder
Person
However, as written, DCC is opposed. The equipment in a data center generates a lot of heat. Without cooling solutions, equipment can overheat and fail, leading to vast and costly disruptions to critical services.
- Kara Bunder
Person
There is no one size fits all solution for cooling, and the best approach considers many factors such as water stress analysis, humidity, climate, temperature, and the availability of water, including recycled, non-potable or harvested rainwater sources. Selecting a cooling technology requires balancing energy consumption and water usage on a case by case basis for each individual site.
- Kara Bunder
Person
Given these nuances and trade-offs, we are concerned that proposed new requirements as a condition for obtaining or renewing a business license could be overly restrictive. They could be prohibitive, given the complexity involved, to retrofit existing infrastructure and modifications required for plumbing, piping and rack configurations.
- Kara Bunder
Person
Data centers prioritize water efficiency through best practices, innovative strategies, and collaboration with local authorities. In a report out of the world's largest data center market, Virginia, found that data center water usage is currently sustainable, noting that in 2023, 83% of data centers in Virginia used the same amount of water or less than the average large office building.
- Kara Bunder
Person
Finally, information about water usage and changes can be indicative of the types of technologies used or services and purposes provided by a data center. This could have implications for trade secrets or national security concerns, leaving critical infrastructure susceptible to cyber threats or industrial espionage.
- Kara Bunder
Person
California's position as a global technology leader depends on the vital infrastructure provided by data centers and underscores the need for careful consideration proposed legislation. We respectfully request a no vote. Thank you for your consideration.
- Juan Carrillo
Legislator
Thank you. Anybody else in the audience wants to add on your position, please state your name, affiliation and position on the Bill.
- Julia Hall
Person
Good afternoon. Julia hall with the Association of California Water Agencies. We look forward to seeing the amendments in print and we hope to continue to work with the author's office to clarify. Thank you.
- Andrea Abergel
Person
Good afternoon. Andrea Abergel with the California Municipal Utilities Association. Agree. We'd love to see the Committee amendments in print and want to continue working with the author. We don't have a position right now. We just are looking for amendments. Thank you.
- Juan Carrillo
Legislator
Thank you. Thank you. Seeing no one else. Committee Members, any questions, comments? Seeing none. Would you like to close? We're still open as a Subcommitee, but if you want to close.
- Diane Papan
Legislator
We're still what, what was the last part? I thank you for the opportunity to close. I think California's water supply, as we all know, is finite and every drop counts. And this is a really balanced approach to getting our arms around data centers and their use of this precious resource respective. Request an aye vote.
- Juan Carrillo
Legislator
Well, thank you for working with the Committee on the Amendments. I did hear you say you accept the Committee amendments. We also will be supporting your Bill today. Please continue working with the Committee as the Bill progresses. We don't have a motion yet. We don't have a quorum, but we will continue when we do that.
- Juan Carrillo
Legislator
And then you have another bill, right? I do. Item number 10 on the agenda, ABA650.
- Diane Papan
Legislator
Excuse me. Sorry about that. So now we're moving on to the world of housing elements and local government. So AB650 is really designed to streamline and improve California's housing element review process, something that as part of local gov, we know that cities have really been through the ringer in this last RHNA cycle.
- Diane Papan
Legislator
We also know that local governments play a central role in planning new development across the state. But to be clear, cities don't build. They are, however, required to plan for building. In doing so, each city and county is required to submit a housing element showing how well it will accommodate its RHNA numbers.
- Diane Papan
Legislator
And this bill is to help good actors in their dealings with the state's Housing and Community Development, affectionately known as HCD. The current housing element process has become extremely complex and burdensome, and it's taking a real toll. Good faith cities are doing the work, but they're stuck in a cycle of revisions and resubmissions, often with moving targets.
- Diane Papan
Legislator
Through no fault of their own, cities are in HCD purgatory. These delays are slowing down housing production, draining local resources, and exposing cities to penalties that they really don't deserve.
- Diane Papan
Legislator
Right now, we're at the end of the planning period for the sixth cycle, and almost a quarter of California cities and counties, about 100 jurisdictions, are still waiting on final certification for their housing elements from HCD. That's 100 communities where progress is stalled, frustration is growing, and the state's broader housing goals remain out of reach.
- Diane Papan
Legislator
AB650 addresses these challenges directly in two ways. Number one, it allows the RHNA process to start a bit earlier. This bill will give cities their regional housing needs allocation six months earlier, giving local governments time to engage with ACD and begin for planning for housing needs a bit Sooner.
- Diane Papan
Legislator
And number two, it requires clear and actionable feedback from HCD. AB650 mandates that HCD provide clear, actionable feedback to local governments by clearly identifying the problems with a housing elimination and clearly identifying the required remedy for the specific problem.
- Diane Papan
Legislator
These requirements will help cities avoid the confusion and costly delays that result from inconsistent or unclear guidance, allowing them to make informed revisions to their housing elements and hopefully speed up the process along the way. This bill represents a pragmatic, common sense approach to improving the housing element review process.
- Diane Papan
Legislator
AB650 will enable cities to meet their goals on time and avoid unnecessary penalties. The result will be more transparent and a more transparent, efficient process that encourages housing production and supports California broader goals of addressing our housing crisis.
- Diane Papan
Legislator
With me to testify here today is Brady Guertin on behalf of the League of Cities and Dane Hutchings on behalf of the City of San Mateo, where I happen to hail from.
- Brady Guertin
Person
All right. Good afternoon everyone. Brady Guertin on behalf of the League of California Cities as proud sponsors of AB650. AB650, as the Assembly Member mentioned, does two things. It gives us more time to get our housing elements certified so we can receive technical assistance earlier and get good drafts sent to HCD.
- Brady Guertin
Person
And the second part is ensuring that we get clarity and certainty in the housing element review process during the six regional housing needs allocation cycle. A lot of cities expressed several challenges that we heard from our members.
- Brady Guertin
Person
That was high staff turnover for things that were out of their control, a lack of clarity in the guidance and feedback that they were receiving. And we want to ensure that this process is smoother for all so we can have plans cited and ready to go for housing.
- Brady Guertin
Person
This bill would ensure greater certainty in the process by providing technical details on exactly what cities will need to do to get certified, while also giving them more time to achieve this.
- Brady Guertin
Person
With me, we're excited to sponsor this bill, and we believe this is the right way forward in improving the housing element review process for all of our local cities. And we respectfully asked for an aye vote today. Thank you.
- Dane Hutchings
Person
Good afternoon, chair Members. Dane Hutchings here on behalf of the City of San Mateo in support of AB650. As the largest city in the county, San Mateo is committed to partnering with HCD, the state and our community to meet our regional housing needs.
- Dane Hutchings
Person
While the city has obtained a certified housing element, the path to certification was exceedingly difficult. Their work began in the sixth cycle in 2020 with the first draft submittal in 2022. From that point on, the city underwent three formal revisions, two informal revisions, working with multiple HCD reviewers, offering different interpretations and sometimes new requirements.
- Dane Hutchings
Person
One of the biggest challenges the city faced was complying with HCD's interpretation of the state's fair housing laws. And while we certainly support the intent, HCD could not provide context on why the revisions were needed or citations to the legal authority for their requests. This left our team trying to meet shifting expectations without clear direction.
- Dane Hutchings
Person
The city spent over $2 million, both on a full team of six employees as well as four outside consulting firms to help navigate really the sheer complexity of the housing element process. This didn't include significant time from the city manager's office and the city attorney's office as well.
- Dane Hutchings
Person
Well, and despite the resources the city took, it took was able to receive its certification in June of 2024, meaning they were out of compliance for 17 months. AB650 recognizes the real challenges that cities are facing.
- Dane Hutchings
Person
It provides an additional six months for cities to prepare requirement for HCD to clearly identify the legal basis for their deficiencies, as well as the requirement for clear actionable guidance, which requires removes the guesswork for local agencies.
- Dane Hutchings
Person
The bill is a critical step forward to allow cities like San Mateo to be effective partners with the state in setting the table for increased housing production. On behalf of the City of San Mateo, I want to thank the Assembly Woman for her leadership on this and respectfully urge an aye vote on AB650. Thank you.
- Juan Carrillo
Legislator
Thank you. Anybody else wants to add on in support? State your name affiliation and position on the bill.
- Unidentified Speaker
Person
Thank you. Mr. Chair and Members on behalf of the cities of Belmont, Carlsbad, Corona, Eastvale, Merced and Thousand Oaks, all in strong support. Thank you very much.
- Jared Moss
Person
Good afternoon. Chair and Members Jared Moss on behalf of the City of Long Beach in support.
- Kiera Ross
Person
Good afternoon. Kiara Ross on behalf of the City of San Marcos in support. Thank you.
- Silvia Shaw
Person
Good afternoon. Sylvia Solis Shaw here on behalf of the San Mateo City County Association of Governments in support and also in support on behalf of the City of Beverly Hills. Thank you.
- Lauren De Valencia Y Sanchez
Person
Good afternoon, Mr. Chair and Members. Lauren De Valencia representing the American Planning Association. Apologies for not getting a letter on time, a bill about timing, but here I am in support. Thank you.
- Holly Fraumeni de Jesus
Person
Holly Fermin de Jesus with Lighthouse Public affairs, on behalf of SPUR. Happy announce we had removed our opposition. Are now in support. Thank you.
- Juan Carrillo
Legislator
Thank you. Any primary witnesses in opposition? Anybody in the room wants to be adding opposition? Seeing none. Committee Members, any questions? Comments? Assembly Member Pacheco.
- Blanca Pacheco
Legislator
I want to thank the author for bringing this bill forward. This is an important bill. As a local elected, I seen the struggles that we had in the City of Downey and so I would love to be added as a co author.
- Juan Carrillo
Legislator
Anybody else? No. You know, when you were making your comments, I went through that with the City of Desert Hot Springs working on their housing element. So I actually leave that experience. Would you like to close?
- Diane Papan
Legislator
Well, and I know you're a former planner too, so I understand you're well aware of dealing with bureaucratic review of one's work. So I just, I appreciate being heard. I appreciate the support board on the committee. Cities are really trying and I think they're getting a bum wrap and this is a way of really helping them facilitate.
- Diane Papan
Legislator
San Mateo is 100,000. Imagine being a smaller city and not having the sophistication and you're just stuck in this purgatory. So I appreciate the support. Respectfully, I urge an aye vote.
- Juan Carrillo
Legislator
I appreciate your work to give cities and counties more time and more precise information as they develop their housing elements and ensure that they provide adequate size for housing in our communities. Thank you for your efforts in this bill. I will be voting aye once we get a motion and we get a forum first. Thank you.
- Juan Carrillo
Legislator
Assembly Member Macedo, Item Number 19, would you like to present? And that's AB 1044.
- Alexandra Macedo
Legislator
Good morning—I guess afternoon now. Yes, good afternoon, Mr. Chair and Members. Thank you for the opportunity to present Assembly Bill 1044 on behalf of my home county, Tulare County. AB 1044 establishes a new Groundwater Sustainability Agency for Tulare County after other cities and irrigation districts broke off.
- Alexandra Macedo
Legislator
AB 1044 is necessary for the region to comply with state law. In 2014, the Legislature passed a Sustainable Groundwater Management Act to manage groundwater by requiring local agencies to form Groundwater Sustainability Agencies. Since SGMA's implementation, GSAs throughout the state have been making every effort to comply.
- Alexandra Macedo
Legislator
In the Central Valley, we do not have access to adequate surface water to recharge our groundwater. Many communities are without clean and reliable drinking water. This Bill helps the region comply with SGMA by providing a functional GSA.
- Alexandra Macedo
Legislator
In additional—in addition—to implementing SGMA, the new GSA will also be able to pursue projects to increase groundwater sustainability, such as obtaining more access to water. The establishment of this GSA will not delay the Thule Sub Basin's progress towards sustainability. It will help the region achieve it.
- Alexandra Macedo
Legislator
In this case, a GSA cannot be formed without this Bill, and the county is not able to serve as the GSA. The newly formed GSA will be able to refer to the previously formed Groundwater Sustainability Plan and make adjustments that applies to the new boundaries.
- Alexandra Macedo
Legislator
The county is working with the Department of Water Resources to develop a boundary that will avoid overlap or gaps. Because most of the new GSA is without a public agency, other than Tulare County, a boundary line does not exist, but rather is the undistricted area outside of existing boundaries.
- Alexandra Macedo
Legislator
I understand the concerns regarding the probationary status of the sub basin, but it is important to note that the new GSA will still be subject to probation with the remainder of the sub basin. However, this legislation will provide a viable GSA to implement SGMA and work to get the subbasin out of probation.
- Alexandra Macedo
Legislator
I respectfully ask for your support of AB 1044, and I am pleased to be joined by Tulare County Supervisor, Dennis Townsend, who will explain the need for this legislation, as well as Bob Reeb, who represents the Valley AG Water Coalition.
- Dennis Townsend
Person
Good afternoon, Mr. Chair and Members. Thank you for taking the time today for us. My name is Dennis Townsend. I'm a Tulare County Supervisor, also the Chair of the Eastern Tule Groundwater Sustainability Agency, currently.
- Dennis Townsend
Person
I'm an Architect by trade, but because of water needs across the state, I'm very involved with the Rural County Representatives of California, the National Association of Counties, and the California State Association of Counties, all with water issues
- Dennis Townsend
Person
In an effort to work collaboratively with and promote coordinated groundwater management, Tulare County has worked really diligently with our local public agencies to form GSAs. Tulare County has five GSAs in three critically overdrafted basin—sub basins. The Eastern Tule GSA was formed via Joint Powers Agreement and encompassed almost all of the undistricted, or what's known as the white area lands in the Thule Sub Basin.
- Dennis Townsend
Person
During the probationary hearings for the ETGSA in September, the State Board chose to enact good actor provisions for two GSAs in the subdivision, allowing them to go outside of the probation.
- Dennis Townsend
Person
This decision by the State Board resulted in GSA-eligible public agencies leaving the Eastern Thule JPA to become their own GSAs, in hopes of benefiting their landowners and users with the Good Actor Provision. Now, this move unintentionally resulted in Tulare County as being the only remaining member of the JPA.
- Dennis Townsend
Person
So, the County doesn't have the legal ability, the capacity, or the resources to function as a standalone GSA. This legislation would give the region a viable GSA that's necessary to continue to implement SGMA. The County is a member of the Kings River East GSA, which was formed by SB 37 in 2016.
- Dennis Townsend
Person
That's kind of a precedent to what we're trying to do here, what Assemblymember Macedo is trying to do here, with this Bill. That model has worked out very well since it was formed.
- Dennis Townsend
Person
So, in order to form a more functioning GSA, to cover the undistricted or white areas in the Thule Sub Basin, the County is very supportive of AB 1044, and I request that you would advance this Bill and be happy to answer any questions. Thank you.
- Robert Reeb
Person
Thank you, Mr. Chair and Members. Bob Reeb, on behalf of Valley AG Water Coalition. I just crossed out about half of my statement, so I want to focus on—really on two points. There's more than one path under SGMA to creating a groundwater sustainability agency. We know that this law is extremely complex.
- Robert Reeb
Person
In some locations, there's one GSA for a subdivision, but that's very rare. We often see multiple GSAs covering a subdivision or, I'm sorry, sub basin. And so, this is not unusual to what we're seeing now. I would also point out that this is not precedential, as the prior witness indicated.
- Robert Reeb
Person
The Legislature has created three similar groundwater sustainability agencies by statute, and I happen to be involved in the first one, the Kings River East GSA. Finally, there's some concern that probationary status in this area somehow renders this Bill as unnecessary or duplicative, or some other bad word. that's not true, even if you have a probationary basin.
- Robert Reeb
Person
The State Water Resources Control Board is tasked with working with the local agencies, the local GSAs, through that probation, through an interim plan, if the Board determines that to be necessary. But it's always presumed that the State Water Resources Control Board will hand off, at some point, the work of compliance with SGMA to a GSA.
- Robert Reeb
Person
So, this Bill is very essential, so that these areas that are now not covered are included in the work of sustainable groundwater management, and we really encourage an "Aye" vote.
- Juan Carrillo
Legislator
Thank you. Anybody else in the audience wants to add on in support? Seeing none. How about any primary witnesses in opposition? No one in the room wants to add on in opposition. Committee Members, any questions? Comments? No? Would you like to close, Assemblymember Macedo?
- Alexandra Macedo
Legislator
I just want to thank you, Chairman Carrillo. It's been an honor to be in your Committee today and respectfully ask for your "Aye" vote.
- Juan Carrillo
Legislator
Thanks for presenting. I will be voting "Aye" once we get a forum and a motion.
- Juan Carrillo
Legislator
Thank you. Thank you. And I want to take this opportunity to call Members to present offers on Local Government. Staff, if you see your Legislator, let them know that we are here in Local Government waiting for you to present your Bill. Thank you. We'll be taking a short recess.
- Jacqui Irwin
Legislator
Good afternoon, Chair and Members. Thank you for slipping me in. I would like to begin by accepting the Committee's amendments and thanking Committee staff for their hard work.
- Jacqui Irwin
Legislator
AB523 will allow Member public agencies represented by only one Director on the Metropolitan Water District Board of Directors, the ability to designate a proxy representative for the purpose of participating in a board meeting when the Member agency's appointed representative is absent.
- Jacqui Irwin
Legislator
And I have a lot of notes here, but I also have two speakers, so I am going to go ahead and let them tell the story with me in support are Joe Mawad and Jay Lewitt.
- Joe Mouawad
Person
Thank you. Yusuke. Three minutes. Great. Thank you, Assemblywoman Irwin. And good afternoon, Chair Members of the Committee. My name is Joe Mouawad. I am the General manager at Eastern Municipal Water District. Eastern is a water, wastewater and recycled water provider to nearly 1 million residents in western Riverside and northern San Diego counties.
- Joe Mouawad
Person
We are one of Metropolitan's 26 Member agencies and we are serving the fastest growing region in the State of California. Metropolitan is nearly 100 years old. The communities we serve and the issues we face are vastly different than they were in 1928 when Metropolitan was established. And the way we govern also needs to evolve.
- Joe Mouawad
Person
AB523 is a narrow amendment to the Metropolitan act that will address a fundamental inequity that exists within Metropolitan's governing structure by allowing a proxy for single representative agencies. As an agency with a single representative on the Board of Directors of Metropolitan, if our Metropolitan representative is unable to participate in a meeting, we lose our vote.
- Joe Mouawad
Person
Our priorities, concerns and perspectives are not considered as part of the decisions made by the Metropolitan Board. This Bill would give agencies like Eastern the option to assign a proxy who would be another sitting Member of the Metropolitan Board of Directors to vote on our behalf.
- Joe Mouawad
Person
This ensures that single representative agencies have every opportunity to have their votes considered at the Metropolitan Board. Throughout the development of Assembly Bill 523, we work with Assembly Member Irwin, her team, and other stakeholders.
- Joe Mouawad
Person
Through these conversations, we learned that the proxy model that is before you today would be an important and beneficial improvement to the governance structure for Metropolitan and its Member agencies. With input from this Committee, we've also included additional guardrails.
- Joe Mouawad
Person
By limiting how many times an agency can assign a proxy throughout the year, and by having the proxy only be valid for Board Meetings, we ensure that the provisions of this Bill cannot be abused.
- Joe Mouawad
Person
We've remained committed to collaborating on this legislation with the goal of creating a policy that is Beneficial to both metropolitan and its Member agencies. Thank you.
- Jay Lewitt
Person
Thank you, Mr. Chair. I appreciate the time you're taking for us today. My name is Jay Lewitt. I'm a Director at Las Virgenes Municipal Water District in Calabasas. And we have the good fortune of being represented by Assembly person Irwin and a good friend.
- Jay Lewitt
Person
And I also serve on the metropolitan water district of Southern California board of directors. And I'm chair of the legal and the communications Committee. But I'm here today not in that capacity solely as my capacity as a Director representing Las Vergines municipal water district, which is a water and wastewater facility.
- Jay Lewitt
Person
Our board at Las Vergen has voted 50 unanimously to support this Bill and we're looking forward to its passage. It's about democracy and representation. As I sit on the metropolitan board, there's 38 directors and we come from all over Southern California. Small towns, big cities, coastal mountains, desert.
- Jay Lewitt
Person
And it's one of the most international places on earth. And we serve a very wide, diverse group. And currently, if I can't make a meeting, my vote doesn't get placed. But more importantly, the people I represent don't have a say. And I think that's not what democracy and representation is all about.
- Jay Lewitt
Person
I'm an elected person, but I'm only elected to represent my constituents. And if I can't make a meeting, my constituents don't get represented. And this to me is a very easy fix that I could trust a fellow board Member with their proxy, they could trust. I could trust them with my proxy.
- Jay Lewitt
Person
So this Bill will be good for metropolitan. This Bill will be good for California. And so I appreciate you listening today.
- Juan Carrillo
Legislator
Thank you. Anybody else in the room that wants to add on support, please state your name, affiliation and position on the Bill.
- Beth Olhasso
Person
Thank you, Mr. Chair and Members. Beth Olhasso on behalf of Inland Empire Utilities Agency. They are a met Member agency with one representative in strong support of the Bill. Thank you.
- Jason Eichert
Person
Thank you, Mr. Chair. Jason Eichert on behalf of the Rancho California Water District and song support. Really appreciate the author bringing the support and Bill forward.
- Dylan Hoffman
Person
Good afternoon, Mr. Chair and Members. Dylan Hoffman on behalf of the City of Beverly Hills in support.
- Lily Mackay
Person
Lily Mackay on behalf of Elsinore Valley Municipal Water District in support. Thank you.
- Juan Carrillo
Legislator
Thank you. Any primary witnesses? None. Anybody in the room wants to add on in opposition? Seeing None. Would you like to close?
- Jacqui Irwin
Legislator
Assemblymember I. I don't know if you have a quorum yet, but at the appropriate time, respectfully ask for your aye vote.
- Juan Carrillo
Legislator
Thank you for your willingness to work with the Committee on the Amendments. And you will be accepting the amendments, correct?
- Juan Carrillo
Legislator
With those, I will be supporting your Bill once we get a quorum and a motion. Thank you. Appreciate you being here.
- Matt Haney
Legislator
Thank you so much. Mr. Chair and Members. AB507, the Office to Housing Conversion Act will accelerate accelerate adaptive reuse projects for historic office buildings. It's a direct response to California's empty downtown business districts and the need to convert underutilized office buildings within prime locations near jobs, transit and businesses into new housing.
- Matt Haney
Legislator
Our downtowns are still struggling as our work culture has shifted toward remote and hybrid work policies. With fewer employees working full time in the office, commercial buildings in downtowns across the state are experiencing the effects of high vacancy rates and low foot traffic.
- Matt Haney
Legislator
This shift has left our cities in trouble and in desperate need of innovative transformations to help our downtowns and build more housing. This bill will create a pathway for buy right approval of office conversion projects who also provide the flexibility needed to ensure that historic buildings are economically feasible for conversion.
- Matt Haney
Legislator
With me in support today is Kirsten Bladh from Streets For All and Skylar Wonnacott from the California Business Properties Association.
- Kirsten Bladh
Person
Good afternoon, Mr. Chair and Committee Members. My name is Kirsten Blot and I'm the Associate Director of State policy for Streets for All.
- Kirsten Bladh
Person
Streets for all supports AB507 because it will revive California's urban centers and historic cores, which are not only often the heart of a region's transit systems, but also where residents tend to be the least likely to rely on cars for every trip.
- Kirsten Bladh
Person
In other words, these places are exactly where we want more people to be living if we're serious about meeting our climate goals and increasing transit ridership. As much of our workforce has shifted to remote work, many cities are stuck with a glut of underutilized office and commercial space.
- Kirsten Bladh
Person
And the small businesses who depended on those office workers are left without customers. AB507 offers an obvious solution to this problem by creating a way to fill those underutilized spaces with new homes and residents, expanding the customer base of local businesses, all while preserving the architectural character of the neighborhood.
- Kirsten Bladh
Person
With construction costs at historic highs and continuing to rise, adaptive reuse provides an economically viable path for new infill housing At a time when many new construction projects are struggling to pencil. AB507 is therefore necessary and vital in order to make any progress towards cities housing production targets.
- Kirsten Bladh
Person
AB507 creates a tool for cities to modernize their land use that, unlike a costly and time consuming zoning code update, is ready to be implemented now when we need it most. For these reasons, we ask for your support of AB507.
- Skyler Wonnacott
Person
Good afternoon, Mr. Chair, Members. Skyler Wonnacott here on behalf of the California Business Properties Association and our Members, the Building Owners and Managers Association of California and NAOP California, in proud support of AB507. We'd like to thank Assembly Member Haney for his persistent leadership in adaptive reuse proposals over the last couple of years. AB507.
- Skyler Wonnacott
Person
By making adaptive reuse a buy right, streamlining approval and offering real incentives, this bill creates a smart, scalable path to convert underutilized, often old, commercial buildings into housing and mixed use spaces. AB507 removes barriers, sparks investment and helps meet California's housing and economic development goals. And we respectfully ask for an aye vote.
- Juan Carrillo
Legislator
Thank you. Anybody else in the audience wants to add on in support, please state your name, affiliation and position on the bill.
- Robert Naylor
Person
Hi, Bob Naylor for Fieldstead and Company. That's Howard Amundsen Jr, Orange County, in support.
- Seamus Garrity
Person
Seamus Garrity with Lighthouse Public Affairs on behalf of SPUR and Circulate, San Diego in support.
- Dylan Hoffman
Person
Good afternoon. Dylan Hoffman, on behalf of the California Arts Advocates in a supportive amended position, appreciate the conversations with the author's office. Thanks.
- Juan Carrillo
Legislator
Thank you. Are there any primary witnesses in opposition? You have up to three minutes. Okay.
- Brady Guertin
Person
Good afternoon, Chair and Members. Brady Guertin on behalf of the League of California Cities in a respectful, opposed, unless amended position on this. And the reason we are concerned, for a variety of reasons, we'll start with the buy right approval process. One size fits all for every city. Not every city is viable for, you know, adaptive reuse.
- Brady Guertin
Person
A place like Los Angeles, San Francisco, they have a lot of adaptive reuse. They've adopted ordinances to do that.
- Brady Guertin
Person
But to extend it to a one size fits all for some of our more suburban areas, without regards for local planning and our state mandated, state mandated and approved housing elements, we're concerned that this would open the floodgates to development for areas that were not planned for development in the first place.
- Brady Guertin
Person
The second part of the bill, regarding the permit fees, we're concerned because as you're converting from office to residential, you have a lot of other infrastructure and services that you need to do. It only allows you to do it for the proportional representation.
- Brady Guertin
Person
But those fees are still necessary to ensure that we have the capacity and infrastructure there available. And we are concerned that as currently drafted the bill would not allow cities to provide the opportunity to get that infrastructure upgraded. So we're very concerned about those as well. That said, we've had great conversations with the author's office.
- Brady Guertin
Person
We'll look forward to continuing those. But we do have an opposed list amended with regarding this bill at this time. Thank you.
- Juan Carrillo
Legislator
Thank you. Anybody else in the audience wants to order an opposition? Please state your name, affiliation and position on the bill.
- Kobe Pizzai
Person
Mr. Chair, Members Kobe Pizzai, on behalf of the City of Thousand Oaks, in respectful opposition. Sorry.
- Juan Carrillo
Legislator
Seeing no one else. Committee Members, questions, comments on this bill? Assembly Member Pacheco.
- Blanca Pacheco
Legislator
I had a question to the opposition. So there's a way to make this bill better so that League of California cities, and maybe from what I see in contract cities as well, to get them either to a neutral position or to a support position. Is there a method or have amendments been provided as well?
- Brady Guertin
Person
Yeah, so we had some. I'll have to look back because we had conversations last year when 3068 was going on. You know, I think the big thing with the buy right stuff is our main concern. So if it remained that would be a big concern for us.
- Brady Guertin
Person
You know, we just think that at the local level, a one size fits all for everyone just isn't viable. But I think that there could be a route forward. You know, but we want to. We'll look at what our discussions were last year and provide those.
- Brady Guertin
Person
And I need to confirm if it's similar to what we had discussed last year.
- Blanca Pacheco
Legislator
Okay. And I know the author extremely well and I know he's committed to working with opposition. So I'm looking forward to seeing the final outcome and seeing what we have before us on the assembly floor.
- Blanca Pacheco
Legislator
I will be supporting the bill today, and again, I look forward to continued conversations as well, because I was a Council Member at the local level and I remember saying exactly what you said about one size fits all legislation. So thank you to the author for being such a champion in this. Thank you.
- Juan Carrillo
Legislator
Thank you, Senator Pacheco. Anybody else? Assembly Member Ward.
- Chris Ward
Legislator
Thank you. I want to thank the author for bringing this issue back.
- Chris Ward
Legislator
He's been incredibly steadfast on working to be able to help a lot of the opportunity sites that we have specifically in our downtown neighborhoods and be able to, you know, bring them into maybe a new era that matches the both the need we have here today, but also potential new for a community framework, community design that we see for the vision and the future of our respective downtowns.
- Chris Ward
Legislator
I know he worked really hard on this bill last year as well. And I see a lot of improvements here as well as you've introduced this here today. So I'll be happy to support this here today.
- Chris Ward
Legislator
I know as you go through every step in the legislative process there can be a lot more factors that come in and righteously deserve to enter into that conversation.
- Chris Ward
Legislator
I just can hope that you can stay really close to all of the interested chairs and other legislators as well that are interested in trying to be able to get this right because it's a very delicate balance across all these issue areas that you know any last minute poison ideas will help to upset that balance. Right.
- Chris Ward
Legislator
But I hope that we're going to get this done right because you've worked so hard on it and certainly your communities design deserve it and happy to support it today.
- Catherine Stefani
Legislator
Thank you Chair. And I just want to thank the author, my counterpart in San Francisco. This is so necessary for our city and I'd like to be added as a co-author if you'll have me.
- Juan Carrillo
Legislator
See no one else. Would you like to close the summary? I respectfully asked you for your aye vote.
- Matt Haney
Legislator
Thank you. And we'll definitely continue the conversation. We, I know had a number of conversations last year, a very similar version of the bill, but I look forward to talking moving forward on this version.
- Juan Carrillo
Legislator
Thank you Assembly Member Haney, for your work on this issue. I will be supporting the bill today once we get a quorum and a motion. Otherwise, thank you for presenting the bill today. Thank you. Thank you.
- Matt Haney
Legislator
All right. My second Bill is AB 1294, which would establish a universal application for home building. As we all know, California is in a severe housing crisis, made worse by unnecessary red tape and inconsistent processes.
- Matt Haney
Legislator
Right now we have a situation where folks who want to build homes have to navigate a patchwork of wildly different application forms and requirements when applying to build housing across the state, sometimes adding months or even years to a project timeline.
- Matt Haney
Legislator
Study recently came out this month that California is the most expensive state for multifamily housing development, in part due to the long time it takes to go from application to an improved project. This is part of the fast track housing package. It addresses the very first hurdle that developers encounter when trying to build housing.
- Matt Haney
Legislator
I was also part of the Speaker's recently announced housing affordability package. And it also ensures that local governments cannot impose unnecessary hurdles like costly pre application studies or extra meetings which can make it a lot more difficult and more time consuming even just to apply for the first step of home building.
- Matt Haney
Legislator
It will speed up housing approvals, lower development costs and get homes built faster. And it passed in the Housing Committee unanimously with strong bipartisan support. Since then we've worked with folks to take amendments and give a bit more flexibility and here to testify with me today is Scott Epstein, Scott Policy and Research Director for Abundant Housing La.
- Scott Epstein
Person
Thank you so much Chair Carillo and Committee Members. My name is Scott Epstein. I'm the Director of Policy and Research with Abundant Housing La. We are a nonprofit membership driven organization focused on building a more affordable LA County in California and we're proud to sponsor AB 1294.
- Scott Epstein
Person
As Assemblymember Haney said, AB 1294 is part of the Fast Track housing package which seeks to to create a consistent, rational and efficient approvals process to expedite the housing we so badly need in California. The Fast Track package covers the entire length of the approvals process.
- Scott Epstein
Person
Our Bill focuses on the first step, in particular the criteria for a housing development application to be deemed complete. With 89 jurisdictions across LA County, we have seen firsthand how variable application requirements are and how excessive requirements early in the process can slow things down and worse yet dissuade developers from investing in new housing altogether.
- Scott Epstein
Person
AB 1294 would limit application requirements to a defined list. Jurisdictions could use an HCD created form or their own if that form doesn't have any additional requirements.
- Scott Epstein
Person
The key here is that jurisdictions would not be able to require expensive and time consuming requirements such as noise studies or outreach meetings at the beginning of the process when those types of studies are not necessary.
- Scott Epstein
Person
With cities across California behind on their housing targets, we need to do everything in our power to create a culture of yes in our state. We see AB 1294 as a key element in that shift and we're appreciative of the leadership of Assemblymember Haney and the unanimous support of the Housing Committee.
- Juan Carrillo
Legislator
Thank you. Anybody in the audience that wants to honor any support, please state your name, affiliation and position on the Bill.
- Skyler Wonnacott
Person
Skyler Wannacott on behalf of the California Business Properties Association and our Members, the Building Owners Managers Association of California, NAEP California in Strong Support,
- Seamus Garrity
Person
Seamus Garrity with Lighthouse Public affairs on behalf of the Council of Infill Builders, Habitat for Humanity of California, Spur Fieldstead and Circulate San Diego in strong support
- Joshua Bruxen
Person
Dr. Joshua Bruxen, South Pasadena Residents for Responsible Growth and strong support
- Marina Espinosa
Person
Marina Espinosa with The California Housing Consortium and support.
- Robert Naylor
Person
Bob Naylor on behalf of fieldstead, Howard Amundsen Jr. In support.
- Juan Carrillo
Legislator
Thank you. Are there any primary witnesses in opposition? See no primary witnesses. Anybody in the audience, please come. State your name, affiliation and position on the Bill for opposition.
- Lauren De Valencia Y Sanchez
Person
Apologies, Mr. Chair and Members. Lauren De Valencia representing the American Planning Association. We actually just had a concern, some concerns with the Bill. We issued a letter reflective of that. But we really want to thank the author.
- Lauren De Valencia Y Sanchez
Person
Essentially we just wanted to make sure we can collect enough information to determine the scope of the project and the path that it will take. So we appreciate those amendments. I would like to flag though, regarding the APA process, another APA acronym.
- Lauren De Valencia Y Sanchez
Person
We do think that there's a benefit to everybody, all the stakeholders that will use this application to have a process where we can all engage and weigh in on what we're all going to be working from. So we would really love some consideration for that. Thank you very much.
- Brady Guertin
Person
Yeah. Good afternoon, Chairmembers. Brady Guertin, on behalf of the League of California Cities opposing unless amended as well reflecting the comments that APA had. So we'll look forward to the changes. Thank you.
- Juan Carrillo
Legislator
Thank you. Committee Members. Questions? Comments on what's in front of us? Seeing none. Would you like to close?
- Matt Haney
Legislator
Happy to engage on those issues. We did take some amendments that I think provided for some flexibility and but input into what should be included makes sense and we'll engage on that and respectfully ask for your aye vote.
- Juan Carrillo
Legislator
Thank you, Assemblymember Haney, for your work on this issue. I will be supporting your Bill once we get a quorum and a motion. Were still operating as a Subcommitee. Thank you.
- Juan Carrillo
Legislator
We are going to go to item number 21. Assembly Member Wallis, you ready? Yeah. Before you proceed, Assemblymember Wallis have a announcement.
- Juan Carrillo
Legislator
AB647 Gonzalez agenda item number eight as pulled as has been pulled by the author Again, AB 647 agenda item number eight will not be heard today as it's been pulled by the author. When you're ready.
- Greg Wallis
Legislator
Good afternoon, Mr. Chair. I have before you today AB 1112. This Bill simply strikes Section 98F4 from the Revenue and Taxation Code. That provision requires the Riverside County Auditor to reduce the property tax revenue distributed to the City of Rancho Mirage below the 7% minimum that other qualifying cities receive.
- Greg Wallis
Legislator
I want to stop for a moment to thank the Committee for the Excellent analysis. It's been difficult for all of us to unravel the issues surrounding this Bill. This provision was added to statute in 1997. That was back when I was riding my bicycle to elementary school.
- Greg Wallis
Legislator
We're not sure why it was done, but we think Rancho Mirage was under the mistaken belief it would benefit the city. Instead, it has forever enshrined an inequity in property tax distribution. As the Committee analysis points out, anytime you reallocate property tax, one locale gets more at the expense of another.
- Greg Wallis
Legislator
In this case, that other locale is County of Riverside. The city and county are in conversations about the property tax shift and it is our intention that the issue be worked out between them. We believe that this subdivision is obsolete and should be deleted.
- Greg Wallis
Legislator
As the conversations continue and the Bill moves forward, I will keep the Committee apprised. I have with me today Isaiah Hagerman, the City Manager for Rancho Mirage, who is also riding his bike to elementary school when this provision was enacted.
- Isaiah Hagerman
Person
Good afternoon, Chair and Members. My name is Isaiah Hagerman and I'm the City Manager for Rancho Mirage. I appreciate the opportunity to to speak in strong support of AB 1112 and want to thank Assembly Member Greg Wallis for authoring this important Bill.
- Isaiah Hagerman
Person
AB 1112 addresses a narrow and outdated section of state law, Revenue and Taxation code, section 98F4 that uniquely penalizes Rancho Mirage. This provision permanently excludes certain property tax revenues from the tax equity allocation TEA formula, making us the only qualifying no low property tax city in California that doesn't receive the program's 7% minimum.
- Isaiah Hagerman
Person
The TEA program was created in response to Proposition 13 to ensure equity among cities with little or no property tax. Rancher Mirage meets that definition, but due to the decades old carve out, we've been left behind. The original exclusion was enacted in coordination with Riverside County back when the city took on fire and library services.
- Isaiah Hagerman
Person
But the financial conditions that prompted that agreement no longer exist. Redevelopment has ended, yet this outdated exclusion remains. AB 1112 is a modest and fair fix. We are not asking for special treatment, just equal treatment under a program meant to ensure fairness for no low qualifying cities like Rancho Mirage.
- Isaiah Hagerman
Person
As the Committee analysis rightly notes, the reallocation of property taxes is a zero sum game. We recognize that reality and Rancho Mirage is committed to working collaboratively with Riverside County to evaluate and manage any fiscal impact. This Bill isn't about creating winners and losers. It's about restoring equity.
- Isaiah Hagerman
Person
It will help us provide essential services, police, fire, parks and infrastructure. For these reasons, we respectfully ask your I Vote for Assembly Bill 1112. Thank you for your time and consideration.
- Juan Carrillo
Legislator
Before we proceed with the second witness, which is Rich. Quorum, would you. Secretary, please call the roll for quorum?
- Juan Carrillo
Legislator
We have a quorum. Just a comment. When you were riding your bicycle in 1997. I already had a couple of years driving a car. Your second witness. I'm good. You're good. Committee Members, any questions? Comments? We have a first and a second. Would you like to close? But you accept the Committee amendments, correct?
- Juan Carrillo
Legislator
Thank you for accepting the amendments and I will be supporting your Bill today. We have a first and a second. The motion is to pass this amendment, the appropriations. I'm gonna go back. I got so excited to you. I had already a couple of driving years of experience. Is there any opposition? Primary witnesses? In opposition.
- Juan Carrillo
Legislator
How about anybody in the room that wants to go on the record in opposition? Seeing none. And now, Madam Secretary, please call the roll.
- Juan Carrillo
Legislator
6. 0. The Bill is. I will leave the roll open for others to add on any questions? Thank you, Assembly Member Alvarez. And that's item number seven on the agenda. AB600.
- David Alvarez
Legislator
Good afternoon. How is everybody doing today? It's good to see you all. It's been a busy day for everybody. I am here to thank you, Mr. Chair, Committee Members for allowing me to present Assembly Bill 610, Fair Housing Practices Act.
- David Alvarez
Legislator
I want to thank the Committee for their Analysis on this and I'm sure we'll get into some of the details identified in the analysis. Happy to further discuss some of the points that were raised here.
- David Alvarez
Legislator
I'm certainly committed to continuing to work with the Committee to address specific concerns that were analyzed and happy to answer and be more specific during your questions. I want to start off by acknowledging the work that has been happening in our Assembly primarily, particularly on the housing reform package of bills. You just heard one from Mr.
- David Alvarez
Legislator
Haney, not two authors ago. This is another bill that is one of the pieces of the housing reform package in order to build the much needed housing we need in California.
- David Alvarez
Legislator
It does so by strengthening the compliance with housing element laws, which is basically the guide for how we are going to be what we're going to be building and where in our cities. It mandates a thorough analysis of governmental constraints and requires transparency and communicating regulations to the Department of HCD when they submit their housing element.
- David Alvarez
Legislator
It prohibits local governments from imposing new or stricter constraints once HCD has accepted and certified their element unless those new or stricter constraints were disclosed and analyzed in their housing element. As we know, California is in the middle of a deepening housing crisis. More than 2/3 of low income renters are rent burdened. You've heard all the statistics.
- David Alvarez
Legislator
The root of the crisis lies in the massive shortage of affordable housing, both rental and affordable housing.
- David Alvarez
Legislator
Otherwise, with nearly 2 million extremely and very low income households competing with only 750,000 affordable units across the entire state, one barrier to housing production has been local government's constraints and things like new fees, new zoning restrictions or added procedural burdens that change once they submit their housing elements and say that they are going to use that as their guiding documents which makes it harder to build affordable housing and housing in general.
- David Alvarez
Legislator
That is where AB610 comes in. The bill increases transparency by requiring cities to disclose new or more stringent housing constraints in that local housing plan. AB610 also prevents local governments from adding new barriers like like limiting density, increasing fees or restricting affordable housing incentives for three years after their housing element is certified unless they meet strict conditions.
- David Alvarez
Legislator
This pause gives state and local governments some time again three years to implement their housing plan that they approved and deliver the homes to Californians desperately need without backtracking through new red tape that they create.
- David Alvarez
Legislator
In order to testify today on this issue, we have Vanessa Chavez with the Building Industry Association and Ali Sapirman with Housing Action Coalition.
- Vanessa Chavez
Person
Good afternoon Chair and Members. Vanessa Chavez with the California Building Industry Association here today as a proud co-sponsor of the measure. AB610 seeks to provide housing providers with more certainty that will allow them to better understand their costs throughout the development process.
- Vanessa Chavez
Person
As our state Legislature continues to search for dynamic solutions to meet the housing needs of Californians, it is vitally important that local jurisdictions are transparent with their requirements associated with developing in their community.
- Vanessa Chavez
Person
This measure is a part of a collective effort, the fast track housing package, which seeks to bring solutions to help address the state's housing crisis.
- Vanessa Chavez
Person
We must ensure that we bring all options to the table as we see a downward trend of housing permits declining due to excessive red tape that continues to plague the construction of much needed housing units. AB610 seeks to offer a solution by providing confidence to builders on the requirements imposed in the jurisdictions they seek to develop in.
- Vanessa Chavez
Person
AB610 is simply another tool to help us address our state's housing needs. This measure simply seeks to bolster the housing element process to ensure that the millions of dollars committed to this process carry weight and meaning and most importantly, that housing can actually get built. Thank you. And we respectfully ask for an aye vote.
- Vanessa Chavez
Person
I'm also joined today by my colleague Nick Camarota for any technical questions. Thank you.
- Ali Sapirman
Person
Good afternoon Chair and Committee Members. My name is Ali Sapirman. I'm the advocacy and policy manager for the Housing Action Coalition, HACC for short. HACC is a member supported statewide organization that advocates for building more infill homes at all levels of affordability. Our Members span across the building industry. We are a proud sponsor of AB610.
- Ali Sapirman
Person
As you heard, a critical piece of the fast track housing package that addresses a fundamental issue, accountability and transparency and local housing planning. The premise of this bill is simple.
- Ali Sapirman
Person
Once jurisdictions have received certification of their housing element from HCD, they should be focused on 1 any required rezonings which much which must happen within three years 2 implementation of housing programs committed to in the housing element and 3 removal of any existing governmental constraints to the housing element identified before considering adoption of new governmental constraints that were not reviewed during the certification process.
- Ali Sapirman
Person
As you know, the housing element is the only part of a city's general plan that must be certified by the state. That's because the state takes housing seriously and so do we. Public and private stakeholders spend years and millions of dollars working through the arena and housing element process to create meaningful housing strategies.
- Ali Sapirman
Person
But for this process to work, local governments must participate in good faith. That means disclosing all known and potential barriers to housing and not waiting until after their housing element is certified to introduce new constraints. Unfortunately, that's exactly what some jurisdictions are doing. We've had the opportunity to work on housing elements all across the state.
- Ali Sapirman
Person
And we have a few examples of the problem our housing providers face. In the first example, a city received its housing element certification in December of 2003. Less than a year later, they adopted a new public art fee on housing projects up to 1% of the total project value.
- Ali Sapirman
Person
This exaction was never disclosed to HCD during the housing element review. A second example of this problem where a city went through three rounds of review with HCD but failed to mention plans to restrict the state density bonus law by limiting the ability of developers to waive underground utility requirements even though their housing elements said otherwise.
- Ali Sapirman
Person
These kinds of post certification changes violate the spirit and arguably the letter of the law. They create uncertainty for housing providers and ultimately delay or deter housing that communities desperately need. AB610 simply says if you're considering a policy that will make it harder to build housing, you must disclose it before your housing element is approved.
- Ali Sapirman
Person
That's transparency and that's fair and that's good planning. We urge you to support 8610 to help restore trust in a system that but only works when everyone plays by the same rules. Thank you. And I respectfully request your aye vote.
- Juan Carrillo
Legislator
Thank you. Anybody in the audience wants to add on in support, please state your name, affiliation and position on the bill.
- Robert Naylor
Person
Bob Naylor representing Fieldstead. That's Howard Amundsen Jr. Of Orange County in support.
- Skyler Wonnacott
Person
Skyler Wonnacott on behalf of the California Business Properties Association. Our Members, the Building Owners Managers Association of, California, NAOP California in strong support.
- Seamus Garrity
Person
Seamus Garrity with Lighthouse Public affairs on behalf of SPUR Fieldstead and Circulate San Diego in strong support.
- Joshua Bruxen
Person
Dr. Joshua Bruxon with South Pasadena Residents for Responsible Growth. Great bill, strong support. Thank you.
- Juan Carrillo
Legislator
Thank you. Any primary witnesses in opposition, please come forward. You each have up to three minutes? You want to go from. You want to go from up there?
- Anya Lawler
Person
I'll go first. Okay. Good afternoon, Mr. Chair Members. Anya Lawler with the Public Interest Law Project and the California Rural Legal Assistance Foundation here with an opposed unless amended position. We don't disagree that local government should not be taking actions post adoption of their housing element that are contrary to the promises they made in that housing element.
- Anya Lawler
Person
In fact, existing law already prohibits that. We understand from talking to the sponsors that they feel like the existing scheme in law is not strong enough to sort of stop all of the actions they believe are impeding housing development post adoption.
- Anya Lawler
Person
And we're happy to work with them on a different approach, but we think this one is really deeply flawed. As we noted in our letter, the housing process requires local governments to analyze potential and actual governmental constraints, but it doesn't require. A,
- Anya Lawler
Person
You don't necessarily find that everything that is a potential constraint is a constraint, and it also doesn't require the removal of all constraints. For example, an open space requirement might have a chilling effect on housing production in open space, but that's for a good reason. And so we do allow some constraints in some cases.
- Anya Lawler
Person
This defines certain things, among them inclusionary housing requirements, which are critical to getting affordable housing in market rate production. And as a constraint, and for three years, unless you knew ahead of time that you were potentially going to consider an inclusion requirement in the first three years of the planning period, you can't adopt that requirement.
- Anya Lawler
Person
That has a chilling effect on advocacy. Most inclusionary requirements come about because of advocacy by representatives of low income communities, not necessarily because the City Council wanted to do that.
- Anya Lawler
Person
And so that really has a chilling effect on those sorts of things and other sorts of policies that may come into play for the benefit of low income communities.
- Anya Lawler
Person
And so for those reasons, we're really concerned about the bill, but we're happy to continue to work because we do agree, I think, with the central thesis, but we just think there's got to be a better way to get there that doesn't really flip the current constraints analysis on its head and define things as constraints without any analysis at all.
- Brady Guertin
Person
Yeah. Good afternoon, Chair Members. Brady Guertin, on behalf of the League of California Cities in a respectful, opposed unless amended position. I just wanted to flag a couple things. The big thing is regarding the fees. I know it's a three year limit.
- Brady Guertin
Person
The problem is we continuously get mandates from the state that we have to charge fees at the local level to implement those policies. So for example, we have a bunch of general plan updates that we have to do by 2028. We need fees to backfill our services to ensure that we are providing those opportunities.
- Brady Guertin
Person
So yes, we may have an idea, but it's really hard and challenging for local governments to determine what that looks like. Our fee studies are really complex. We have to go into details and show why it's going to happen. There's a different time frame that we have to work with for fees. So that's really important.
- Brady Guertin
Person
The second thing is the housing element process, as we all know and we discussed earlier today, is very complex. This bill would require us to get our crystal balls out and guess what we're going to do in the next eight years that could potentially constrain housing development.
- Brady Guertin
Person
That would be like telling the Legislature, you have to tell us what you're going to legislate a year before, but you introduce a bill. So how is the planning staff at the local level to guess what the City Council or the mayor, if there's a change in leadership, is going to do?
- Brady Guertin
Person
That could be a constraint on housing. The other thing is, when we adopt constraints, it's not because we're trying to stop development. It's responding to our community.
- Brady Guertin
Person
Maybe we have a new demographic where families move in and they want a little league stadium or a park, and now we need to look at fees for new construction six years from now. So the challenges.
- Brady Guertin
Person
How can a local government account for everything locally that we need to account for what our community wants and how to respond for that in a housing element that is planning and siting for zoning, we are, we are doing our darnest at the local level to site for and plan for housing. We support affordable housing.
- Brady Guertin
Person
We have a lot of programs. I think to. To the other testimony that's an important challenge, inclusionary zoning and these other policies, there's other constraints that can be really hard to guess eight years before they become a thing. So that's why we remain concerned and have an opposed unless amended and happy to answer any questions.
- Juan Carrillo
Legislator
Thank you. Anybody in the audience that wants to own opposition, please state your name, affiliation and position on the bill.
- Coby Pizzotti
Person
Mr. Chair, Members Coby Pizzotti, on behalf of. The City of Carlsbad, in respectful opposition.
- Juan Carrillo
Legislator
Thank you. Seeing no one else. Committee Members, Questions? Comments on this measure? Seeing none. Assemblyman Ransom,
- Rhodesia Ransom
Legislator
I would just love if the witnesses can respond to the opposition that we just heard.
- David Alvarez
Legislator
Sure. One of the things I would say, and many of you, if not all of you, served at the local level, as did I, certainty is critical for any development. If there is uncertainty, that really makes it more challenging to plan accordingly to build.
- David Alvarez
Legislator
This is about creating the certainty which again, through the housing element, discussions of oftentimes years, definitely months worth of conversations and public hearings, all the things that a city wants to put forward as limitations, constraints, or how they want to build get discussed through that process. And so this is an attempt to create some certainty.
- David Alvarez
Legislator
Initially, this was for the eight years that that's how long a housing element is supposed to last for. This is now narrowed down to just three years. I believe that with a three year limitation, I don't know about some of your cities, but it takes a really long time to implement almost any changes.
- David Alvarez
Legislator
Fees, you have to go through public hearings. It can take up to three years to approve new fees. And so that still gives them the ability to do so. But let's say they can.
- David Alvarez
Legislator
You have a more efficient city than I do in San Diego and you can actually do this quicker than three years, then so long as when you present your housing element, you identify that you might be doing fees, you're still allowed to do new fees.
- David Alvarez
Legislator
And to the other point of the opposition, that what if there's a state mandate as it relates to any particular new mandate that comes down the pipe that I believe the language currently covers that and any fees that are associated with the state mandate can be implemented at the local level. These are just fees.
- David Alvarez
Legislator
If you as a city or you as a county just decide all of a sudden you want to add new fees, you would not be able to do that unless you said we are considering doing new fees with this housing element in the next three years.
- Unidentified Speaker
Person
We also had language where in the. State of an emergency, you can introduce new fees.
- Juan Carrillo
Legislator
Any other Committee Member with questions or comments, Is there a motion, motion to move the Bill? Is there a second? No. Second Assembly Member Works made a second Ransom did Assembly Member Alvarez. Would you like to close?
- David Alvarez
Legislator
Yeah. Thank you, Mr. Chair. And I do want to acknowledge the concerns that, you know, some of the opposition has raised and that your analysis again, well, outlines. And we want to limit the.
- David Alvarez
Legislator
The fee issue just to Cities and counties understanding that there are other reasons other other districts, special districts and others that may want to and would be allowed to actually, regardless of this Bill or not, adopt their fees. And so if there's more clarification needed, certainly we're willing to do more work to clarify that.
- Juan Carrillo
Legislator
I want to thank Assemblymember Alvarez for presenting this Bill today with the concerns that have been raised by the opposition. Fees and exactions are important tools for city or county to be able to provide needed infrastructure and services to their communities.
- Juan Carrillo
Legislator
Existing law provides guardrails to racing or changing fees and that are there are established pathways to contest a fee or exactions. I understand the appetite for giving developers more flexibility. Just last year, this Committee passed SB937 winner which provided more flexibility for certain types of projects that generally included affordable housing.
- Juan Carrillo
Legislator
This Bill provides additional limitations on when local governments are able to collect fees. And I am concerned about striking the right balance between addressing the need for housing and preserving local government's role in providing services, infrastructure and affordable housing to the community.
- Juan Carrillo
Legislator
Ensuring that local governments have the tools and resources to provide affordable housing should be a top priority for all of us. The state has spent years encouraging, requiring, even demanding the local governments build more affordable units. I am concerned that this Bill takes some of those tools out of the toolbox.
- Juan Carrillo
Legislator
I have significant concerns with this Bill, but I will be supported today with your commitment and to work with a Committee to address those concerns as you move forward. And we have your commitment to do that? Yes. Thank you. The motion is do pass to the Appropriations Committee. Secretary, please call the roll.
- Juan Carrillo
Legislator
7-0 the most the Bill is out. We'll leave the roll open for the Members to add on. Thank you, Assembly Member Alvarez. Assemblymember Wicks, you have two items on the agenda. AB698 is the first one on the agenda.
- Buffy Wicks
Legislator
698. Yeah. Okay. Good afternoon, Chair and members. I'd like to thank the committee staff for working with us on this and we will gladly accept the amendments. I'm here to present AB 698.
- Buffy Wicks
Legislator
This bill requires that before a transfer tax can be adopted by a legislative body, it must be analyzed for its potential impacts on affordable housing, market rate housing, and property taxes. A transfer tax is a tax on the transfer of ownership from one individual or entity to another.
- Buffy Wicks
Legislator
Currently, 24 charter cities in California have transfer taxes, including five in my own district, Albany, Berkeley, El Cerrito, Oakland, and Piedmont. Some of these taxes were passed via local ordinance and some via ballot measure, most in the past 10 years.
- Buffy Wicks
Legislator
The size of transfer taxes varies widely by city, from an additional 0.2% in cities like Santa Rosa and Riverside to 6% in Los Angeles and San Francisco for larger transactions. The use of the transfer tax also varies by jurisdiction. Some go back into the city's general fund.
- Buffy Wicks
Legislator
Others are designated for specific purposes like affordable housing and social programs. Transfer taxes can be an important source of local revenue, and there's a lot I like about transfer taxes and I think crafted the right way can be an incredibly important source of revenue for cities, and I know that they are struggling for revenue, especially these days.
- Buffy Wicks
Legislator
However, that revenue is also not free. Higher taxes inevitably lead to increased cost and decreased consumption of the thing that is taxed. For transfer taxes, that means a reduction in the amount of real estate transactions that occur. One effect of this is that transfer taxes can negatively impact new construction. New construction often relies on two property transfers.
- Buffy Wicks
Legislator
The first from an existing owner to a real estate developer. The second from a real estate developer to the entity that holds that property long term, be it an individual owner or an investor. By making projects less profitable, the transfer tax will reduce the amount of new construction that occurs.
- Buffy Wicks
Legislator
This will result in less housing construction as well as less commercial development construction. Because transfer taxes reduce housing development, they can also reduce the development of affordable housing. This is because many market rate housing projects include a share of units that are deed restricted to be affordable to lower income households.
- Buffy Wicks
Legislator
When those market rate projects do not get built, those inclusionary affordable units do not get built either. Finally, the reduction in real estate transfer can have a negative impact on property taxes. This is because Proposition 13 establishes that property taxes can only be reassessed when properties are sold or substantially improved.
- Buffy Wicks
Legislator
So when there are less sales, there are less reassessments. Recognizing the potential downside of transfer taxes, AB 698 requires that before a local government moves forward with the adoption of a transfer tax, it must publish a study that analyzes the effects of that tax.
- Buffy Wicks
Legislator
Specifically, it must study the potential effect on the tax on the production of market rate housing, affordable housing, and property taxes. By requiring this analysis, decision makers can better understand the potential negative consequences of proposed transfer taxes and design their proposals accordingly.
- Buffy Wicks
Legislator
Here to testify in support of this Bill is Corey Smith, Executive Director of Housing Action Coalition.
- Corey Smith
Person
Thank you, Assembly Member. Good afternoon, Chair and members, Corey Smith with the Housing Action Coalition. We are a member funded organization that supports the construction of more housing at all income levels across the State of California and a supporter of Assembly Bill 698.
- Corey Smith
Person
And we represent both market rate builders who are often the ones paying these taxes, as well as the 100% affordable housing builders who need a lot more money to build the low income housing that our state desperately needs.
- Corey Smith
Person
And I want to thank the Assembly Member for laying out the facts about how transfer taxes work and frankly, the impact of all taxes and impact fees on the production of new housing. Is HACC's policy goal to have builders pay the maximum amount of money in taxes and fees while ensuring that the project does not become infeasible.
- Corey Smith
Person
And unfortunately, that's not the case for many multifamily builders across the State of California. The fundamental problem I'm hearing right now from builders is it costs more to build the housing, i.e., the cost of construction, than the housing is worth once it's completed. It's the revenue. It's a basic math problem.
- Corey Smith
Person
And for builders, housing is at the end of the day, a math problem. I talked to a builder yesterday and was told that the current financing gap in my hometown of San Francisco is anywhere between 20 and 30% on mixed income projects. So it costs 20 to 30% more to build it than it's worth when it's done. And in San Francisco, the transfer tax represents a 6% increase on cost.
- Corey Smith
Person
So when we're adding taxes to something that the state has made it very clear we want more of, housing, we're also creating a financial disincentive to be building. And similar to how tariffs work, when we're not collecting the money we want, it's because we are stopping the homes from getting built.
- Corey Smith
Person
And so having that data is key for both the shared goal of maximizing the production of housing and collecting the maximum amount of money from a transfer tax. Thank you.
- Juan Carrillo
Legislator
Thank you. Anybody in the room that wants to honor in support, please state your name, affiliation, and position on the bill, only.
- Amy E. Garrett
Person
Good afternoon, Mr. Chair and Members. Amy Garrett on behalf of California Association of Realtors, very much in support of this bill and any bill really, which. provides voters with additional information when considering a real estate tax. Thank you.
- Shant Apekian
Person
Good afternoon. Shant Apekian on behalf of Elevate California and the California Downtown Association in support.
- Brooke Pritchard
Person
Good Afternoon. Brooke Pritchard on behalf of California YIMBY in support.
- Raymond Contreras
Person
Good afternoon. Raymond Contreras, I'm with Lighthouse Public Affairs on behalf of Sperm Fields in support. Thank you.
- Skyler Wonnacott
Person
Good afternoon, Chair, members. Skyler Wonnacott, California Business Property Association, BOMA California, NAAAP California. We don't have an official position right now. We support the effort and have been working with the author and thank the author and look forward to the conversation.
- Oracio Gonzalez
Person
Mr. Chairman, Oracio Gonzalez, on behalf of California's Business Roundtable. We're a tweener. We support the bill in concept and appreciate the inclusion of that comprehensive study. But ultimately want to see the bill expanded to ensure that these taxes no longer hinder development or the creation of housing.
- Joshua Bruxen
Person
Dr. Josh Bruxen with South Pasadena Residents for Responsible Growth. We're in support if amended, this is a good concept, but this has already been studied. UCLA Price did a study on Measure ULA in Los Angeles. It showed that market that all housing dropped off a cliff. The second it was enacted and 10 years from now the money brought in by ULA will be less than the property taxes lost.
- Holly Fraumeni
Person
Holly Fraumeni de Jesus, the Lighthouse Public Affairs on behalf of the Council of Infill Builders also in support.
- Juan Carrillo
Legislator
Thank you. Any primary witnesses in opposition, please come to the table. Thank you. Have up to three minutes. Thank you.
- Joe Donlin
Person
Good afternoon, My name is Joe Donlin, Director of the United to House LA. Coalition. We are a diverse network that brought together over 240 organizations to pass the biggest affordable housing and revenue measures in LA's history.
- Joe Donlin
Person
One of which is a real estate transfer tax voters passed in 2022 known as Measure ULA which has already kept 11,000 people housed and accelerated the development of 800 affordable homes in its first year of implementation. We appreciate Assembly Member Wick's well known track record on affordable housing and we share her goals to dramatically improve housing affordability.
- Joe Donlin
Person
However, along with the 57 organizations who joined our opposed letter including some of the state's largest labor unions, we have significant concerns with AB 698 as currently written. First, it undermines local government's authority to raise revenue as they see the need.
- Joe Donlin
Person
Second, it tilts the scale towards well resourced developers and corporations who have far greater means to Fund a study aim to further their interest to pay fewer taxes. Of course more information can be valuable for policymakers, but requiring local governments to complete speculative studies will provide little valuable information and fuel opposition by giving weight to hypothetical harms.
- Joe Donlin
Person
Even more worrisome are amendments the author's office has told us they are considering adding to this bill that would impose significant exemptions on existing transfer taxes, including ULA. These amendments would slash LA's biggest source of funds to build homes, create jobs, and protect tenants.
- Joe Donlin
Person
Also, the amendments would overrule the will of voters in LA and 23 other jurisdictions around the state that have already passed transfer taxes. This discussion of exemptions comes amidst reports that attempt to blame ULA for slower development. We have numerous concerns with the methodology employed by those studies, which we'd be happy to go deeper into.
- Joe Donlin
Person
In closing, ULA is already showing outstanding impact in LA and is just getting started. We believe the conversation should remain at the local level without unnecessary interventions by this bill. We thank you and the author for the discussion of the bill, but urge your no vote today. Available to answer any questions.
- Juan Carrillo
Legislator
Thank you. Anybody in the audience wants to add on a position, please state your name, affiliation, and position of the bill.
- Danielle Kando-Kaiser
Person
Yes, Good afternoon Chair and members, as Mr. Donlin said, well, first of all, Dani Kando-Kaiser on behalf of have United to House Los Angeles. As Mr. Donlin said, about 57 organizations that signed on with concerns.
- Danielle Kando-Kaiser
Person
Just wanted to list a couple of the main ones Koreatown Immigrant Worker Alliance, Brotherhood Crusade, LA Orange County Building and Construction Trades Council, Public Council, IBEW Local 11 LA, Southern California Association of Nonprofit Housing, LA County Federation of Labor, Move LA United Teachers Los Angeles, Unite Here Local 49 and Housing Now Coalition. Thank you.
- Monica Madrid
Person
Monica Madrid with the Coalition for Humane Immigrant Rights, CHIRLA, in respectful opposition to this bill.
- Judy Yee
Person
Judy Yee with the State Buildings and Construction Trades Council in respectful opposition.
- Matthew Broad
Person
Matt Broad on behalf of UNITE HERE International Union in respectful opposition.
- Martin Vindiola
Person
Martin Vindale on behalf of the California State Association of Electrical Workers in respectful opposition. Thank you.
- Ben Trivot
Person
Good afternoon, Ben Trivot, League of California Cities. We had a tweener position on this bill but want to thank the author's office and her staff for working with us. The amendments proposed in the analysis, they address most of our concerns with the bill. So thank you.
- Andrés Ramos
Person
Andres Ramos on behalf of Public Advocates in respectful opposition. Thank you.
- Juan Carrillo
Legislator
Thank you. Committee members, questions, comments? Assembly Member Ward.
- Chris Ward
Legislator
Thank the author as well for bringing this bill forward. I would recognize, I think maybe a variation I think what opposition has kind of stated there more information certainly is helpful in the context of a reality situation that we have here. People brought up ULA, but we hear evidence that ULA has timing production.
- Chris Ward
Legislator
We hear evidence that it is doing what is intended and it's catalyzing more affordable housing development as well too. And so the requirement that we have a study being performed on these metrics I think is helpful information. But I would question who is performing that study.
- Chris Ward
Legislator
You know, if you're just authorizing or directing a legislative body to be able to do that, how can we be ensured that we're getting unbiased analysis?
- Buffy Wicks
Legislator
Right. And in the current form of the bill, it's left up to the local entity to determine that.
- Chris Ward
Legislator
Yeah. And I mean like for example, a major city like ours, we have an independent budget analyst in the City of San Diego, the equivalent of the LAO appeared or something that we all recognize is designed to be that impartial arbiter all information where you can maybe have a lot of information flowing into such an analysis for them to reconcile and give you the best information as a legislator. I'd love to be able to see it move forward, but it may be difficult for a way to be able to prescribe this in legislation.
- Chris Ward
Legislator
I just think it's a point that's worth raising to be able to vet as you're thinking about your future steps just to make sure that the end product is something that is as best as can be produced, unbiased.
- Rhodesia Ransom
Legislator
So thank you. So for clarification, I was looking at a Los Angeles Times article that mentioned, that was speaking about Measure ULA and it's my understanding this bill is not specifically about Measure ULA. There's also, you know, mixed information in regards to that.
- Rhodesia Ransom
Legislator
I was looking at the Los Angeles Times article about whether that measure has worked out as intended. And ultimately I think what my concern would be is when we are asking voters to make the decision, make these decisions, if these are voter decisions, that we're able to give them as much information as possible.
- Rhodesia Ransom
Legislator
But also I'm concerned about like, I don't see. Can you confirm, like who will be the people that are going to be doing the analysis and like how do, how are they being vetted? I guess is the question.
- Buffy Wicks
Legislator
Yeah, so it's up for so and this is for, this isn't for local measures that voters are voting on and that was per the committee amendments. And this is for ordinances that are being voted on by councils. So that's a little bit different.
- Buffy Wicks
Legislator
That was a change with the committee amendments and it's up to the local city, the local government to determine who is to run the analysis. And so if you're on a local council. They are the ones who are empowered to determine that.
- Buffy Wicks
Legislator
Sorry. And one other quick thing, sorry. This is forward looking, this isn't retrospective. So this is not pertaining to ULA specifically. This is forward looking. If cities are going to be doing this because we're seeing more and more cities do this and it can be an incredibly important revenue stream and especially cities are really struggling with.
- Buffy Wicks
Legislator
I mean, we got rid of redevelopment, we have all these challenges around funding affordable housing. And so I think that's an important tool. We also want to make sure we're not having any negative unintended consequences by actually depressing our new construction.
- Buffy Wicks
Legislator
So that's what we're trying to do is have some additional analysis in that as these decisions are being made at the local level.
- Rhodesia Ransom
Legislator
Okay, thank you for that. So I do want clarification. So first of all, yeah, I'm equally concerned about unintended consequences. That's something that we see over and over again in the decisions that we make. So to be clear, this is not, I know it's not the large scale ballot measures that would be citizen orchestrated.
- Rhodesia Ransom
Legislator
But is this sometimes if this, if the city is putting this on their ballot. This isn't if like the City Council votes to put it on their ballot. Correct.
- Buffy Wicks
Legislator
It's if a City Council is voting on ordinance for transfer tax. Yeah.
- Rhodesia Ransom
Legislator
Okay. So even if it never goes to a ballot, they decide that they have the majority to do it and they do their, okay, I understand that. And then I do thank you for clarifying because reading the opposition letters, it does sound like it's going to go retroactive to places such as the ULA.
- Rhodesia Ransom
Legislator
So we are looking forward, we're not looking back. We just want to make sure that when municipalities are doing things, because quite honestly, you know, when you're running a local government, you want to try to find all the fees you possibly can to try to, you know, make up for things that we just don't have anymore.
- Rhodesia Ransom
Legislator
Inflation impacts government as well. So I understand that that's what folks want to do, but I do, I do want to make sure that people are making decisions not based on a sound bite, but with all of the details they possibly can. So thank you for answering my concerns. That helps me as we move forward.
- Juan Carrillo
Legislator
I have a question for the opposition with AB 698, as it was explained with this conversation is looking forward. How do you see this affecting ULA? The measure that was passed in LA, since it's not retroactive and it's only moving forward.
- Joe Donlin
Person
Thank you for that question. And we understand how bills can evolve over time. And so we did want to register the concern if changes should be made in the future that would impose any changes to existing transfer taxes. So that's why we are raising those concerns.
- Joe Donlin
Person
You know, as mentioned, you know, ULA is a critical source for affordable housing and homelessness prevention programs in Los Angeles. We've seen the benefit already. You know, we think other cities that haven't yet pursued that would want to benefit from that.
- Joe Donlin
Person
You know, within LA County, we want to see more cities being able to do that, you know, so that it has the spillover effect into the City of LA and all throughout the region. And so there are impacts that we are concerned about in terms of the bill in its current form as well.
- Juan Carrillo
Legislator
And to the Assembly Member and the witness, how do you see this moving forward? Will it affect measure ULA since, again, it's moving forward?
- Buffy Wicks
Legislator
I'll be super blunt. One, this bill is about future taxes and transfer taxes.
- Buffy Wicks
Legislator
Two, there's a separate ongoing conversation around ULA that, frankly, I think that has to come from Los Angeles. Like, I'm a member from Oakland. I don't represent Los Angeles, many colleagues that do, as well as other stakeholders, affordable housing groups, labor unions, et cetera.
- Buffy Wicks
Legislator
And, you know, obviously there was research that came out within the last couple of weeks that are raising some of these questions, and that, that is for them to determine what they want to do with their. It's their prerogative. Right?
- Buffy Wicks
Legislator
This bill is about future taxes, for transfer taxes and making sure that we are, I think, being thoughtful around some of the potential unintended consequences that could come from this. I care a lot about housing production and concern when we start to see things that could negatively impact that production.
- Corey Smith
Person
Our priority is the production of affordable housing. That's the most important thing in all of this. And so how do we get that.
- Juan Carrillo
Legislator
As it is for a lot of us? So thank you for the clarification on both sides. Seeing no other comments or questions from committee members, I believe we have a motion. A second? Do we have one? Stephanie? First and the second. Okay. Would you like to close? Assembly Member Wicks.
- Buffy Wicks
Legislator
Appreciate the conversation and respectfully ask for an aye vote.
- Juan Carrillo
Legislator
Thank you for working with the committee on the amendments with us. I will be supporting your bill that requires cities to conduct an analysis on the potential impact a tax may have on housing developments. We do have a first and a second. The motion is due, pass as amended. Secretary, please call the roll.
- Juan Carrillo
Legislator
7-0. The bill is out, congratulations. And you have a second item?
- Unidentified Speaker
Person
Great. Well, thank you for allowing me to present AB 1021. I'd first like to thank the chair and the Committee for working with us. And I gladly accept the proposed amendments. This Bill will make it easier for school districts and other local education agencies to build housing for their employees.
- Unidentified Speaker
Person
The lack of affordable housing has long been a challenge to the recruitment and retention of school district employees, including teachers and all the other administrative, technical and support staff that make our schools function. The cost of housing has skyrocketed since the Great Recession, far outpacing the ability of teachers and classified staff to keep up.
- Unidentified Speaker
Person
As a result, these staff are moving further and further away from their schools they serve or are leaving the workforce altogether. In Oakland, actually, there's. The realtors say drive till you qualify. Just keep. Keep going east until you can qualify to afford a home.
- Unidentified Speaker
Person
And subsequently, we have teachers at Oakland Unified School District who are living in Stockton and Tracy and beyond Suisun City. Exactly. You know, commuting four hours round trip. Because they grew up in Oakland, that's where they want to teach. And so we see it in my district.
- Unidentified Speaker
Person
The result is there's chronic staff shortages across the state, including rural, urban and suburban districts. So we are building on the good work of Summit Member Richard blooms efforts in 2022, AB 2295, to make it easier to build workforce housing on our school campuses.
- Unidentified Speaker
Person
So this will help clean up some of that good work that he did and streamline the process. With me here to testify in support, Professor Dana Cuff, UCLA City Lab, and Andrew Lee, board of the Jefferson Union High School District, which is the most recent success story on the education workforce housing.
- Andy Lee
Person
Hi, Mr. Chair and Members, thank you for the opportunity to speak before you today on this important measure. My name is Andy Lee and I'm a school board Member for the Jefferson Union High School District, which serves over 3,700 students from the communities of Daly City, Pacifica, Brisbane and Coleman, the Bay Area.
- Andy Lee
Person
I'm here to speak in support of AB 1021 on behalf of the California School Boards Association, which is a co sponsor.
- Andy Lee
Person
It's a much needed measure to help build upon the Good work established by AB 2295 from 2022, which helped put in place a process school districts and county offices of education can use to build workforce housing for their staff.
- Andy Lee
Person
Maybe 1021 will help to further existing policy to help streamline and remove barriers to make it easier for more school districts to offer educator workforce housing for their staff.
- Andy Lee
Person
In San Mateo county, my district, Jefferson Union, it is the lowest funded High School District there and prior to the development of our workforce housing, we were experiencing an annual turnover of 25%.
- Andy Lee
Person
In the staff survey that back in 201735% of staff indicated they would leave the school district over the next five years due to the cost of housing. With that data, we began work on our educator workforce housing that year.
- Andy Lee
Person
Five years later, in April 2022, we opened 705 Ceremony our educator housing complex comprised of 122 units that houses 25% of our teachers and classified staff. Rents are targeted at 50% below market rates starting at 1400 per month. For one bedroom units, we house teachers, counselors, maintenance workers, bus drivers, cafeteria workers, professionals and more.
- Andy Lee
Person
Resident Mitch is approximately 60% certificated staff and 40% classified staff, all non management staff. And we currently have a wait list of 31 staff and the building is 100% occupied. The benefits are clear. In both the fall of 2022 and the fall of 2023, we had no vacancies district wide.
- Andy Lee
Person
On the first day of school for the first time in years, staff commutes shrunk from one hour each way to 10 minutes. Recruiting vastly improved and we were able to attract, hire and retain highly qualified teachers and classified staff. And most importantly, our educators have housing security.
- Andy Lee
Person
Our educators cannot give their best to our students if they are struggling with housing insecurity. Although it took us five years to complete the project, the statewide average for completion is about seven years. And that's too long.
- Andy Lee
Person
As you know, too much can happen during that time, causing delays, increasing costs and other factors that can impede the development of this tool for our for our staff. Although AB 2295 and Now AB 1021 preceded our work, these bills would have helped cut down the time it would have taken.
- Andy Lee
Person
Go from inspiration, the groundbreaking to the ribbon cutting on our educator workforce housing, AB 1021 will help many other school districts that are in the process of pursuing their own workforce housing. In today's climate, where we both have a housing and a public educator shortage above, it's imperative we continue to support the development of educator workforce housing.
- Andy Lee
Person
It's a critical tool that school districts like mine have at our disposal to meet the needs of our teachers and classified staff, and most importantly, to improve the educational outcome of all of our students. I urge you to support AB 1021. Thank you for your time.
- Dana Cuff
Person
Hello and thank you for the opportunity to speak today. My name is Dana Cuff, I'm a Professor of Architecture and Urban Design at UCLA and I'm proud to say I'm 100% product of California public schools. From kindergarten in Orange County to college at Berkeley, I've been studying education workforce housing for the past seven years.
- Dana Cuff
Person
This research has convinced me that building workforce housing for our state's educators, from teachers to janitors and school secretaries, is an essential, impactful strategy for delivering the best education to California's next generation. AB 1021, based on this research, will empower more districts to build more housing more efficiently.
- Dana Cuff
Person
These claims are backed by these years of academic study conducted by City Lab UCLA, the design Research center that I founded, and direct research in concert with our partners at UC Berkeley and the California School Boards Association.
- Dana Cuff
Person
In the years since we partnered with Assemblyman Bloom on AB 2295, we've worked directly to train and collaborate with 19 urban and rural districts interested in building education workforce housing to help them advance their projects. We've also recently evaluated the successes and challenges of the 7 operating education workforce housing projects across the state.
- Dana Cuff
Person
I should mention that, like Andy said, all seven in fact have long wait lists full of educators seeking an apartment. AB 201021 specifically addresses the roadblocks uncovered by this new research, and I can highlight just two of many examples.
- Dana Cuff
Person
First, almost half of the state's smaller and rural districts interested in building housing have parcels they want to develop that are ineligible for the benefits of AB 2295. As currently written, AB 201021 fixes that. Second, every district we've engaged with wants more development certainty, and many want to collaborate with local public sector partners.
- Dana Cuff
Person
AB 1021 achieves both goals. In summary, this law is evidence based and tailored to solve the real challenge challenges facing districts today. I'd like to close with some particularly powerful Data. Back in 2019, we found that 46 districts were interested in building education workforce housing.
- Dana Cuff
Person
Today, six years later, the number of interested districts has quadrupled to 175, a testament to our work and to champions like Andy Lee who continue to share the benefits from the forefront of what has become a bona fide movement. But there's a rub.
- Dana Cuff
Person
Less than 8% of the interested districts have been able to transform that interest into physical housing developments. And this is at a time when California needs affordable housing more than ever. That's why we need 1021. I strongly urge you to support this Bill and in turn support one of California's most precious resources, its educators. Thank you.
- Juan Carrillo
Legislator
Thank you. Anybody else in the room that wants to support, please state your name, affiliation and position on the Bill.
- Coby Pizzotti
Person
Good afternoon, Mr. Chair and Members. Chris Reef, on behalf of the California School Boards Association, as stated by our. Colleague Annie Lee, as well as on. Behalf of the Oakland Fund for Public Innovation, crowds co sponsors of the Bill. And its support, thank you.
- Unidentified Speaker
Person
Hello. Carlos Lopez with the California School Employees Association in support.
- Unidentified Speaker
Person
Thank you. Chair. Members Sasha Horowitz, Los Angeles Unified School District, in support.
- Unidentified Speaker
Person
Afternoon. Mark Newberger, California State Association Counties in support.
- Juan Carrillo
Legislator
Thank you. Anybody that is in primary opposition, seeing none. Anybody wants to be adding opposition, seeing none. Committee Members, any question? Assemblymember Rubio, thank you.
- Blanca Rubio
Legislator
I know that in my district we've closed a number of schools and you know, aside from the emotional distress that our communities and now we have to go to these schools and just see them empty and what we used to have as kids laughing and playing are no longer there.
- Blanca Rubio
Legislator
And I've always bragged about the affordable housing that's being created in Northern California. And I've been suggesting and pleading with a lot of the superintendents in my district to follow those models, to make use of the beautiful properties and huge, huge properties. So I want to thank you for bringing this. It's been kind of an education day.
- Blanca Rubio
Legislator
I saw some of our folks here in education Committee, but it is what we need right now. And I think that making it easier for these districts to do something with those properties is so much needed. And again, it serves the community, it serves the teachers.
- Blanca Rubio
Legislator
I remember the program, the teacher next door, the police officer next door, which encouraged all of these folks to work where they. To live where they worked. And now we're making it possible. We can't just say it and not help them do this.
- Blanca Rubio
Legislator
So thank you for the Bill and if you wouldn't mind, I would love to be added as a co author.
- Unidentified Speaker
Person
Assemblymember Stephanie thank you, Chair, and thank you to the author for this Bill. And it's good to see you. I have spoken at length with the.
- Unidentified Speaker
Person
Jefferson in Union High School District and the elementary school district in Assembly District 19, and I'm so excited about the prospects of teacher housing and anything we can do to help move that forward. I am on board. So again thank you to the author for all your work in this area.
- Juan Carrillo
Legislator
Thank you Assembly Member Weeks for your work in this issue. We share a desire to help employers provide provide more workforce housing and Our K through 12 teachers and staff deserve a home that is affordable and within reasonable commute. Do we have a motion or second?
- Juan Carrillo
Legislator
Second we do have a motion A second thank you for accepting the Committee's technical amendments and I will be voting aye. The motion is do pass as amended to the Appropriations Committee Secretary please call the roll.
- Unidentified Speaker
Person
AB 1021 do pass as amended to appropriation Carrillo Aye Carrillo I T. Hoover Pacheco Pacheco I. Ramos Ransom Rubio Rubio I. Stephanie Stephanie I. Ward Ward I. Wilson Wilson I66 here.
- Juan Carrillo
Legislator
The motion side we thank you very much for others to add on thank you Assembly Member Shabur going on the agenda order Assembly Member Suburb Agenda item number nine AB 648.
- Unidentified Speaker
Person
Good afternoon Mr. Chair Members. First of all I would like to thank the Committee staff for their work on this Bill and I'll be accepting the Committee amendments. I'm very grateful for your work and for the Chair's personal engagement on the Bill to help us refine it and so thank you.
- Unidentified Speaker
Person
I'm proud to present AB 648 which will combat housing insecurity and homelessness among community college students, staff and faculty while also addressing California's broader housing crisis. California community colleges are an integral part of our higher education system.
- Unidentified Speaker
Person
With over 2 million students attending one of California's 116 community colleges, the community college system has become a critical pathway allowing Californians from all backgrounds to access higher education and economic mobility. Unfortunately, community college students office often face uncertainty about whether they will be able to find they will be able to provide for their basic needs.
- Unidentified Speaker
Person
Last year the Legislative Analyst Office found that roughly 60% of community college students face housing insecurity and almost 25% have experienced homelessness. Let me say that again. Almost 25% of our community college students have experienced homelessness.
- Unidentified Speaker
Person
The state has taken multiple actions in recent years to increase student housing at community colleges and allow students to focus on their work instead of worrying about where they will sleep at night. AB648 will address the housing crisis and recognize the integral role of the California community colleges in our higher education system.
- Unidentified Speaker
Person
Specifically, this Bill will allow and with the amendments, this Bill will allow students and staff housing to be built on property that is owned or leased by a community college district and located within a half mile of a main campus or an EX or an existing satellite campus.
- Unidentified Speaker
Person
Regardless of how the lot is zoned, community colleges will be required to comply with CEQA to consult with their local planning Department and follow other relevant regulations.
- Unidentified Speaker
Person
Not only will this provide housing security for countless community college students, staff and faculty, but it will also make available housing units around community college campuses, which will increase the housing supply for community Members who aren't students or affiliated with the college community.
- Unidentified Speaker
Person
I ask for your aye vote at the appropriate time and with me today in support of the Bill are Donald Girard, Senior Director of Governmental Relations and Institutional Communications at Santa Monica College, and Scott Epstein, Policy and Research Director for Abundant Housing, Los Angeles, Louisiana.
- Don Gerard
Person
Good afternoon, Chair and Members. My name is Don Gerard and I'm here on behalf of Santa Monica College, often referred to as smc. Our community extends far beyond Santa Monica. We have around 25,000 students and offer more than 100 fields of study.
- Don Gerard
Person
Housing insecurity is a crisis for California's community college students, and we've seen this firsthand at SMC. We are proud to have led the state for 34 consecutive years in the number of community college students who transferred to the ucs.
- Don Gerard
Person
However, this academic success comes in spite of the large number of our students who face either homelessness or housing insecurity. AB 648 is a necessary and urgent solution to this problem.
- Don Gerard
Person
By allowing community colleges to build student and staff housing on property they own or lease without facing lengthy and expensive delays due to local zoning, this Bill removes a major hurdle standing in the way of desperately needed housing. Schools like SMC are ready to Fund and build housing to support our students. This is more than just words.
- Don Gerard
Person
In 2022 Santa Monica residents voted to. Allocate $375 million to SMC for a. Bond measure that explicitly included provide affordable housing in the ballot title. Our residents stand with us and we're ready to begin addressing the community college student housing crisis by building housing. We, along with our co sponsors, including. The Los Angeles Community College District and.
- Don Gerard
Person
The many colleges and supportive parties that have added their name to this Bill, see this Bill as a necessary step to help ensure that community colleges are. Able to fully support our students. Thank you. We respectfully ask for your aye vote we support the amendment and we thank you very much for your engagement and refinement.
- Scott Epstein
Person
Thank you, Mr. Chair and Committee Members. Scott Epstein with Abundant Housing. Ladies, we're proud to be Co sponsoring AB 648 which will facilitate the production of housing on community college land. Over 1% of our population in California is served by this system. And those students experience a shocking level of housing insecurity.
- Scott Epstein
Person
Just want to underline the study that the Assembly Member spoke to. Something on the order of 500,000 students in our state are telling us they have experienced homelessness. That is a moral failure. Our students should be focused on the test the next day, not on where they're going to sleep that night.
- Scott Epstein
Person
And I think it's important to note that community college districts which are run by locally elected boards want to be a part of the solution. As evidenced by the support of community college districts all across the state for this Bill.
- Scott Epstein
Person
But they face a major obstacle when it comes to building on the land that they own and lease on and near their campuses. Local zoning regulations also the UC and CSU systems have this privilege already. But the CCC system has a much higher needs population when it comes to housing insecurity. So this is a parity Bill.
- Scott Epstein
Person
Adding student and staff housing on and near community colleges not only addresses student housing insecurity but also will take pressure off of the housing stock and surrounding communities.
- Scott Epstein
Person
Will reduce carbon emissions because more students and staffs will live within walking distance of their campuses and will enhance students ability to to engage in life on campus and meeting the basic needs of students will increase retention, student achievement and labor market outcomes. We respectfully ask for an aye vote. Thank you so much.
- Juan Carrillo
Legislator
Thank you. Anybody else in the room wants to add on in support? Please state your name, affiliation and position on the Bill only. Good afternoon. Andrew Martinez, Community College League of California in support. Thank you.
- Unidentified Speaker
Person
Good afternoon. Sylvia Solis Shaw here on behalf of the City of Santa Monica and strong support.
- Unidentified Speaker
Person
Thank you. Good afternoon. Maria Velos, Los Angeles Community College District in strong support and co sponsor.
- Unidentified Speaker
Person
Thank you. Chair Members Mark Mcdonald on behalf of. The Los Rios and San Diego Community college districts and support.
- Unidentified Speaker
Person
Good afternoon. Mr. Chair Members David Nevin on behalf of. The Cerritos El Camino and Allen Hancock community colleges in support.
- Unidentified Speaker
Person
Good afternoon. Mr. Chair Members Raymond Contreras with Lighthouse Public affairs on behalf of SPUR and Circulate. San Diego and support.
- Unidentified Speaker
Person
Hi. Kate Rogers on behalf of the Student Homes Coalition Proud support as a co sponsor. Hello.
- Unidentified Speaker
Person
Good afternoon. Brooke Pritchard on behalf of California Yimby. And Power California Action and support.
- Juan Carrillo
Legislator
Thank you. Is there any primary witness in opposition? Please come forward.
- Unidentified Speaker
Person
Mark Newberger, California State Association of Counties I'll make my comments brief. Appreciate the author for bringing the Bill and as well as the Committee for reviewing it. We have an opposing list amended position on the Bill for the past version of it. But we're also taking a look at the Committee's suggested amendments and reevaluating.
- Unidentified Speaker
Person
Thank you Brady. On behalf of the League of California Cities opposed and must amended as well reflecting CSAC's conversations. Thank you.
- Juan Carrillo
Legislator
Thank you. Seeing no one else Committee Members questions Comments Assemblymember Wilson thank you to the author.
- Lori Wilson
Legislator
Let me move my chair over. Thank you to the author for bringing this forward. I definitely understand the intent and allowed you for that for this direction. I think that community colleges are vitally important.
- Lori Wilson
Legislator
They're affordable way to go to college and you can't always assume that it's the person who is working, you know and going on the side or that there's a lot of students who are fresh out of high school who are going to community college and still need housing. And then there are those who are reinventing their career.
- Lori Wilson
Legislator
Right. And might be in a transition phase because they lost a job and they need housing. So I think that this is critically important in regard to that. I do have a slight concern and I am going to support it today. I would like to make a motion to support.
- Lori Wilson
Legislator
I am concerned about the satellite campuses just because where they tend to be located in comparison to the main campus. This makes it so that the local zoning laws don't apply at all.
- Lori Wilson
Legislator
I think that there is an issue there and I know that the Committee has addressed a portion of that and I appreciate that by setting a time that existed.
- Lori Wilson
Legislator
But even still I think about even in my own district where I have the main campus which makes perfect sense and then one of our satel campus not at all.
- Lori Wilson
Legislator
You know and and for them to lease and then be able to you know I could see my cities being frustrated about that putting housing where housing shouldn't exist just because it's within the reach of an existing satellite campus.
- Lori Wilson
Legislator
So at that part I am concerned with and hope that as you work its way through the Legislature should it get out of this Committee and through the floor that you take a look at at that particular portion. But happy to give the motion toward. I think it's vitally important and I appreciate your work on this.
- Juan Carrillo
Legislator
Thank you. Any other Committee Members just want to share that we had a discussion of the comments of Assembly Member Wilson did but we we had that discussion with with the Member realizing the need for student housing. But again, moving forward, if you can keep an eye on that.
- Unidentified Speaker
Person
Thank you. Thank you so much. And your commitment to sort of understand that situation a little bit better and see how we might be able to address it. You know, I'm very committed to doing that.
- Unidentified Speaker
Person
I think the one thing I'll say is that, you know, we're considering a lot of housing bills in the Legislature that for non student housing are going way beyond what this Bill does, you know, including waiving all kinds of CEQA and other zoning. And so this is something.
- Unidentified Speaker
Person
Well, no, I mean, this is something that is, you know, I think is a just a critical need. And I'm not criticizing those other bills. I'm just really saying that this is a critical need. You know, we've got community colleges across the state that are saying that they need this because they want to protect their students.
- Unidentified Speaker
Person
And, and with that, we're all. I will commit to making sure we understand the issues that you're concerned about. So with that, I respectfully ask for your vote. Last thing I guess I want to say is I want to thank all the sponsors and note the number of community colleges across the state that are supporting this.
- Unidentified Speaker
Person
I think many in your own district. So just thank you for your consideration.
- Juan Carrillo
Legislator
Thank you, Assemblymember Saburu, for working with a Committee on this. On this Bill. With the amendments which you've accepted, I will be supporting the Bill today. We do have a motion. I did not hear a second. We have a second now. Madam Secretary, please call the roll. The motion is do pass as amended.
- Unidentified Speaker
Person
Korea. Aye. Ta Voting Todd. Not voting. Hoover. Pacheco. Pacheco, aye. Ramos. Ransom. Rubio. Rubio, aye. Stephanie. Stephanie. I. Ward. Wilson. Wilson, aye.
- Juan Carrillo
Legislator
We're going to leave the roll open for others to add on. Thank you very much.
- Juan Carrillo
Legislator
We're going to go on to agenda item number 22. Assemblyman Patterson, thank you for waiting so patiently.
- Unidentified Speaker
Person
Did you hear about that or you saw me? I'm just getting ready for utilities over there, though.
- Juan Carrillo
Legislator
So that's agenda item number 22. AB 1152. Whenever you're ready, Assembly Member Patterson.
- Joe Patterson
Legislator
Great. Thank you, Mr. Chair. And Members, today I have AB 1152, which has passed the last Committee bipartisan 11 to 0. I know that doesn't always mean anything here, but that's okay. You know, in the City of Rockland, Clover Valley is this beautiful piece of land that is. That is home to.
- Joe Patterson
Legislator
Was A Native American tribal Center and has 333 prehistoric sites which are largely unaltered. And since the beginning of time, it's been a oak Grove. And that exists there today.
- Joe Patterson
Legislator
And when the city annexed this land into the community, they, you know, decades ago, 20 years ago, something like that, they did it as, as low density housing, essentially what would be multimillion dollar houses today. And so this, local governments in the County of Placer, including the City of Rockland, have teamed up together to preserve this.
- Joe Patterson
Legislator
The developer has no intention on building on that property, has actually had improved entitlements on that property and will not be developing it.
- Joe Patterson
Legislator
And so what we're trying to do is saying, hey, if the City of Rockland builds housing elsewhere in the city to still meet their housing obligations as required under RHNA, then there will be no enforcement if these multimillion dollar mansions aren't built at the devastation of these, this oak Grove.
- Joe Patterson
Legislator
So with me, I have my friend, one of my former colleagues, Mayor Jill Galldo from the City of Rockland to testify in support of this Bill.
- Unidentified Speaker
Person
Thank you, thank you Mr. Chair, and to the Committee. I appreciate the opportunity to be here. As he said, I'm the proud mayor of the incredible City of Rockland, California in Placer county.
- Unidentified Speaker
Person
And we are very proud to be a sponsor of AB11, which will provide more clarity for cities that want to save vital natural resources while also maintaining our sites for high density and low income housing.
- Unidentified Speaker
Person
The City of Rockland has been experiencing tremendous growth over the past 25 years and since the year 2000 we have doubled in population. So clearly we've embraced growth and we continue to construct more housing. We built over 1700 new housing units in this city since the adoption of our housing plan in 2021, including 100% affordable projects.
- Unidentified Speaker
Person
And I should mention, in spring of 2026, we're opening over 400 units on our Sierra College, our community campus. So we have, we have certainly embraced and done our part our further efforts to encourage affordable housing, including adopting affordable housing incentive programs with fee reductions, fee deferrals and cash incentives for builders to build affordable housing.
- Unidentified Speaker
Person
We understand the importance of constructing new housing units. We are very fortunate. We have a very unique piece of property that's in the city boundaries and it has, as you mentioned, wetlands, Native Americans, cultural sites and animal habitats.
- Unidentified Speaker
Person
And the residents of the city and the entire county have banded together to come up with a way to purchase this property and place a conservation easement on there. We know that our residents highly value these open space and this is a very unique piece of property.
- Unidentified Speaker
Person
The largest percentage of families or our residents in Rockland are families. And they come here for our schools. Quite frankly, we have excellent quality schools and they want that to experience those schools and also the benefits of nature. This is why this Bill is so important to this city.
- Unidentified Speaker
Person
It provides clarity to us so that we can protect our natural resources while not impacting our low income housing units for continued growth. This Bill would only allow a conservation easement if it does not reduce the number of high density residential units and if the city is still compliant with its housing element.
- Unidentified Speaker
Person
So let me say that one more time. It would allow a conservation easement on a piece of property that is very unique only if it doesn't reduce the number of high density residential units and if the city is still compliant with our housing element. This is balance.
- Unidentified Speaker
Person
This is a balance between protecting natural environment and retaining high density, low income housing. And the City of Rockland is proud to sponsor this legislation.
- Juan Carrillo
Legislator
Thank you. Anybody else in the room that wants to honor in support? Seeing no one. Is there any primary witnesses in opposition? Also seeing no one. Members, questions? Comments? One motion and a second. See how easy it is. You like to close, please.
- Joe Patterson
Legislator
Well, thank you, Mr. Chair. Members, as you know, as the Vice Chair of the Housing Committee, I'm very dedicated to removing burdens to build housing. Every affordable unit built in the City of Rockland since I've lived there has been built in my neighborhood, actually.
- Joe Patterson
Legislator
But also I'd like to preserve this beautiful piece of land in the City of Rockland. And with that, I ask for an aye vote.
- Juan Carrillo
Legislator
Thank you, Assemblyman Patterson, for bringing this Bill forward to support your community and others who wish to protect important open space from development. I will be supporting your Bill. The motion is due. Pass. Secretary, please call the roll.
- Unidentified Speaker
Person
Carrillo, Aye. Todd, Aye. Aye. Hoover. Pacheco. Pacheco. I. Ramos. Ransom. Rubio. Rio. I. Stephanie. Ward. Wilson. I. Wilson. I.
- Juan Carrillo
Legislator
We're going to leave the roll open for other Members to add on. Great. Thank you so much. Appreciate it. Thank you. Thank you. Assembly Member Sheri Silva. When are you ready? That's item number 14 on the agenda. AB782.
- Sharon Quirk-Silva
Legislator
Thank you, Mr. Chair and Members, I'd like to begin by thanking your Committee consultant for working with my office and sponsors on this Bill and accept the Committee Committee amendments. Today I present AB782, which removes burdensome and costly double bonding requirements imposed by some local governments on developers for private improvements.
- Sharon Quirk-Silva
Legislator
A Bond is a type of surety used in construction projects to protect against financial loss if a contractor fails to complete a project or meet the required standards. Some local governments improperly require developers to bond for private improvements such as street sidewalks, lighting and landscaping, in addition to the bonds already required for public improvements.
- Sharon Quirk-Silva
Legislator
This double bonding increases costs, creates administrative hurdles, and requires unnecessary public inspections for improvements that private entities such as homeowner associations will ultimately own and maintain. With me today to provide testimony and support and to answer any questions from the Committee is Mr. Silvio Ferrari with the California Building Industry Association and sponsors of AB782.
- Silvio Ferrari
Person
Good afternoon, Mr. Chair, Members Silvio Ferrari on behalf of the California Building Industry Association, we're proud sponsors of this Bill. We would also like to extend sincere appreciation to the Committee staff and the good work on this.
- Silvio Ferrari
Person
It's not an easy area of law and feel like together we were able to kind of dig in and really get to the heart of the issue.
- Silvio Ferrari
Person
What we are really trying to guard against is this situation where we have a public agency that is responsible to oversee the construction and the taking on the ownership and future maintenance of all public improvements.
- Silvio Ferrari
Person
Then also in regards to any homeowners Association, there's the Department of Real Estate that also requires a bond, usually a surety bond, that protects the private improvements. And sort of over time as these things have been required, we've just seen a slippery slope of the public entity also sort of trying now to cover the private improvements.
- Silvio Ferrari
Person
So really, I think this is a Bill that has real tangible benefits to housing costs because these bonds are expensive and there is no actual benefit to a public entity covering those private improvements because they will not be owned and maintained by them at any point in the future.
- Silvio Ferrari
Person
They are only going to be owned and maintained by the HOA who will have actual ownership of those. So we think this is a real tangible, important housing Bill. Just clears the way to not have this overlap that has sort of begun to happen more and more. We think these bonds are really, really important.
- Silvio Ferrari
Person
They are very helpful tools for both the HOA to have, but also for the public entity to have. So we think we settled in a really good balanced position with the Committee and thank you for your work on it. We're urgen I vote. Thank you.
- Juan Carrillo
Legislator
Thank you. Anybody in the audience that wants to add on in support, please state your name, affiliation and position on the Bill.
- Raymond Contreras
Person
Good afternoon, Mr. Chair and Members. Raymond Contreras with Lighthouse Public Affairs on behalf of Abundant Housing Los Angeles Spur and California YIMBY in support, thank you.
- Juan Carrillo
Legislator
Thank you. Are there any primary witnesses in opposition? Non primary witnesses. See None. Committee Members. Questions? Comments? Assemblymember Wilson,
- Juan Carrillo
Legislator
Okay. Thank you for working with the Committee on the amendments which you accepted. I will be supporting your Bill today. The motion is to pass as amended. Secretary, please call the roll.
- Juan Carrillo
Legislator
You do have a second item? Yes, that's item 11 on the agenda. AB 956, when you're ready.
- Sharon Quirk-Silva
Legislator
Thank you. Mr. Chair and Members, today I am presenting Assembly Bill 956, which allows a homeowner to build two detached accessory dwelling units on a property as long as they meet all existing requirements on size, height and setbacks. ADUs have become a critical tool for creating more housing across California.
- Sharon Quirk-Silva
Legislator
In fact, they are actually the one of the glimmers in housing in the State of California. With permits being pulled ticking up each year, they are, as we said, one of the few options that provide flexibility, affordability, and help families stay together.
- Sharon Quirk-Silva
Legislator
Many families use ADUs to support aging parents, to support young adults who want to live close by but still live independently. Others rely on ADUs for adult children who are struggling to afford housing or to earn extra income, to help cover their mortgage. In recent years, we have passed several laws making ADUs easier to move forward with.
- Sharon Quirk-Silva
Legislator
These laws were meant to remove unnecessary delays and help families move forward with housing plans. However, there is still confusion. Homeowners continue to receive mixed messages from local governments about what they can and cannot build. Some are told they can build two units, but only if one is attached. Others are unsure if they can build at all.
- Sharon Quirk-Silva
Legislator
Other states have moved ahead much more clearly. An example is Washington. Homeowners are allowed to build up to two ADUs per lot. It is a simple policy that recognizes the reality that many properties can support more housing without changing the character of the neighborhood. California faces a much more serious housing shortage than Washington.
- Sharon Quirk-Silva
Legislator
Yet we continue to place limits that hold back progress. AB 956 provides clarity. It ensures that homeowners who have the space and meet the rules can move forward with building two detached ADUs. It does not override local standard, but simply removes the guesswork and helps families take action.
- Juan Carrillo
Legislator
Thank you. Are there any Members in the room that want to add on a support, please come forward. State your name, affiliation and position on the bill.
- Raymond Contreras
Person
Good afternoon Mr. Chair and Members. Raymond Contreras with Lighthouse Public affairs on behalf of Abundant Housing Los Angeles, Spur Fieldstead and Circulate San Diego in support.
- Joshua Bruxen
Person
Joshua Bruxen, south passing your residence for responsible growth and support.
- Juan Carrillo
Legislator
Thank you. Any primary witnesses in opposition? Any opposition at all? Primary opposition. You can have a seat if you like.
- Brady Guertin
Person
Good afternoon chair members. Busy day today. Brady Guertin, on behalf of the League of California Cities in respectful opposition to the bill. This bill extends ministerial Bayrad approval to two detached units as opposed to one. I think one of the challenges that we continue to have, we recognize that ADUs are important.
- Brady Guertin
Person
A lot of our cities have moved that way. We, we appreciate where the state has gone with that.
- Brady Guertin
Person
However, the continuance of an annual adjustment of increasing the amount of new laws around ADUs can be really challenging because we have to go back to our ordinances and to do that and to extend it to another ministerial approval process for areas that weren't within our state mandated planning plans that have been certified by the state is very concerning.
- Juan Carrillo
Legislator
Thank you. And seeing no one else. Committee Members questions? Comments?
- Lori Wilson
Legislator
Assemblymember Wilson Just, just a comment. I was, I had a chance to see this in a previous Committee and I had initially indicated to the author's office I would be abstaining and ended up voting.
- Lori Wilson
Legislator
I inadvertently we decided not to change my vote because I knew I was going to have a chance to be on the record in this Committee. So I am going to be abstaining today. And the reason why, because I am pro housing and think we need to increase housing.
- Lori Wilson
Legislator
It's not just about the house sitting on the lot and setbacks. It is how you design a community. And when cities are designing communities, they're allowing certain widths of the streets and they're allowing certain parks and things like that in neighborhoods based on a certain density level.
- Lori Wilson
Legislator
And when we get into this by rights and taking that away from cities, we are saying that the way you design the city doesn't matter because it could happen multiple times over. So that means the more units you have, a community that is park poor will be even more park poor.
- Lori Wilson
Legislator
If you have congestion in that neighborhood, it's going to be even more when you get into the buy. Right. And so what you, what it allows for is the one ADU I think is fine.
- Lori Wilson
Legislator
But when you expand beyond that, I do think that you need the city to have some ability to weigh in on the community, in the neighborhood. And so that's why I'll be abstaining today. But I just wanted to make sure I put that on record because it is contrary to my vote in the previous committee.
- Lori Wilson
Legislator
But I appreciate the author for trying to tackle this. You regularly, through your tenure here in the Legislature, have tried to tackle this issue of housing and increasing housing, and I commend you for that. Although I'm not able to support it today.
- Blanca Pacheco
Legislator
Thank you, Assembly Member Pacheco to the author. I also commend you for bringing this bill forward. I do have some other concerns shared by the League of California Cities only because I was at the local level and served on City Council.
- Blanca Pacheco
Legislator
So I am concerned that we're constantly changing these laws on ADUs, and it can be pretty complicating.
- Blanca Pacheco
Legislator
And then the ones that always get the complaints about, you know, having cities create more housing and having a city become more densely populated, like we saw in the City of Downey, where we were once upon a time the 11th largest city and now we're the 10th largest city, it can be concerning.
- Blanca Pacheco
Legislator
I will be supporting this bill today, but I'm hopeful that maybe you can have conversations with the League of California Cities. I've always said I felt cities should be at the table so that way they can have input. And so I do. I do want to just take note of.
- Blanca Pacheco
Legislator
I do appreciate, you know, the League of California Cities coming here and voicing their opinion. But again, I will be supporting the Bill today, but I think conversations are important. But thank you.
- Juan Carrillo
Legislator
Any other Committee Members recognizing and agreeing with the comments made by Assemblymember Wilson and Assemblymember Pacheco and the legal cities? I do share those concerns. However, when it's been proven that building ADUs is a successful way to add more housing units. Not until we find a way to make multifamily development be more effective.
- Juan Carrillo
Legislator
Not taking 810 years for us to build multifamily units. Again, it's been proven that ADUS is the most effective way I think that we should come up with, and we're trying, you all know we're trying here, to come up with ways to build multifamily and even single family development in a more effective way.
- Juan Carrillo
Legislator
I just have a question for the author. Would you consider me as a co-author? Would you consider me as a co-author?
- Sharon Quirk-Silva
Legislator
Yes. And I want to thank my colleagues for Making their comments because I do understand, I too have some cities that I represent, like Artesia or Hawaiian Gardens, that are very small cities and very, very dense.
- Sharon Quirk-Silva
Legislator
So as I was actually in Hawaiian Gardens just a few days ago, I was looking at the properties and was very clear to me on some of the lots, there's absolutely no place that they could build. And so in some ways, when we talk about density, the properties are already built out.
- Sharon Quirk-Silva
Legislator
So the individual homeowner trying to build, they would not be able to because there's no place to build. So that was some planning from, in some cases, decades ago as far as how individual cities were built. And I get the planning. I think the biggest thing in this build is the clarity.
- Sharon Quirk-Silva
Legislator
Because when we talk about you can build a junior ADU that's attached, but then you can't have two for when people go to the counter, they're planning. There are some cities that are very, very clear on what you can do and what you can't do.
- Sharon Quirk-Silva
Legislator
I think Encinitas, and it's one of the cities that actually has plan where you can go and actually choose the model that cities have already approved. It's already gone through their planning. But I understand the concern and we will continue to work with the leave of cities.
- Sharon Quirk-Silva
Legislator
Mr. Brady knows that he's always welcome in our office and we see him on a regular basis. So I will commit to that. With that, I ask for your aye vote.
- Juan Carrillo
Legislator
Thank you. We need to get a motion in a second moved by Assemblymember Pacheco. We need a second.
- Juan Carrillo
Legislator
Second by Vice Chair Ta. Thank you, Assembly Member Quirk-Silva, for presenting this bill. I will be supporting your bill today. The motion is do pass to the Appropriations Committee Secretary, Please call the RO AB 956.
- Committee Secretary
Person
The motion is do pass to appropriation. Carrillo. Aye. Carrillo. Aye. Ta aye Hoover. Hoover. Aye. Pacheco. Pacheco aye. Ramos. Ransom. Rubio. Rubio. Aye. Stefani. Ward. Wilson.
- Mike Fong
Legislator
Good afternoon, Mr. Chair, Members. Assembly Bill 893 expands a ministerial approval process for residential mixed income developments on commercially zoned properties near campus universities and creates eligibility for affordable units using this process for students, faculty and staff.
- Mike Fong
Legislator
As chair of the Higher Education Committee, I'm acutely aware of how our state's housing crisis has affected our students and faculty. An unacceptable number of students are homeless. 8% of our UC students, 11% of our CSU students and 24% of our community College students housing security significantly affects completion rates, jeopardizing the power and promise of higher education.
- Mike Fong
Legislator
To transform lives of residents and family Members in our communities. We must do the more to address this crisis. AB 893 builds upon AB 2011 to encourage housing development and commercially zoned parcels near our University and college campuses, many of which already serve as economic centers of our communities.
- Mike Fong
Legislator
Furthermore, students face even greater difficulties in accessing affordable units due to outdated rules that haven't kept up with the changing demographic of today's college student. Rules that exclude full time independent students from low income units. Assembly 893 makes sure that students who have already demonstrated financial need qualify for affordable units.
- Mike Fong
Legislator
It also extends affordability to faculty and staff, allowing them to stay within our communities instead of enduring long commutes. Here to testify and support are Kate Rogers with the Student Homes Coalition. Nanji Nagli for the University of California Student Association. Thank you.
- Kate Rogers
Person
Hi, good afternoon Mr. Chair, Members of the Committee. My name is Kate Rogers. I'm the chair of the Student Homes Coalition.
- Kate Rogers
Person
We're a campus or we're a statewide organization made up of campus based groups, student groups at different campuses around the state, CSUs, UCs and community colleges, and then also statewide advocacy orgs that we work on to really craft policy that makes sense for both students and faculty.
- Kate Rogers
Person
And so to that end, we're proud to sponsor ABA 93 with some Member Fong and we respectfully request your support today. So as you heard from the statistics that the Member mentioned, the student housing crisis is just undeniable.
- Kate Rogers
Person
Tens of thousands of students are homeless in California, potentially hundreds of thousands, and a majority experience rent burden and development for on campus housing has not kept up with student demand. So University housing at public institutions is just incredibly limited. And this is especially true at CSUs and community colleges.
- Kate Rogers
Person
I believe at CSUs only 14% of students can live on campus and at community colleges only 14 out of 160 that have any housing at all. So across all three systems, this means that the vast majority of students rely on off campus housing.
- Kate Rogers
Person
And even though University populations have continued to grow, land use policy around them has remained largely the same. So this has meant that increased competition has cost rents for both students, faculty and just regular community Members who live near universities and colleges just skyrocket. I believe in the past 10 years or so.
- Kate Rogers
Person
So 2013 to 2022, rents around UCs, for example, increased by 54%. So all that is to say, we need AB893 to promote more off campus development for Both students and faculty at both market rate and affordable levels.
- Kate Rogers
Person
And like the Member said as well, expanding eligibility for the first time really to include students to make sure that students are not experiencing that rent burden that a majority do today. So I'm happy to answer any questions that any of you have on this proposal and I respectfully request your aye vote today. Thank you.
- Angela Negley
Person
Good afternoon Members, Chair and Members of the Committee. My name is Angela Negley and I am here to testify on 893 on behalf of UC Student Association. The UC USA mission is to ensure the public higher education in California remains accessible and affordable for both current and future UC students.
- Angela Negley
Person
But right now, 1 in every 20 UC students is homeless. At the CSU, this number rises to 1 to 10. In California Community College, nearly 1 in 4 students is without stable housing. Across all three systems, majority of students either are rent burdened or housing insecure. The reality is simple.
- Angela Negley
Person
Students can afford to learn if they can't afford to live. There's simply not enough University housing options to prevent students from becoming homeless. At my campus, UC Irvine, less than half of the students are eligible to live on campus.
- Angela Negley
Person
According to data from HUD, it costs an average of over $16,000 a year to share an off campus apartment near UC. This does not include food, transportation or tuition. So even if they receive a full scholarship, students working a part time job on top of their studies would and do fail to make rent.
- Angela Negley
Person
UCSA represents thousands of students that make take on debt to pay for housing or end up sleeping in their cars. This is why it makes the passage and implementation of AB 893 necessary.
- Angela Negley
Person
By streamlining the construction of more affordable housing units for low income students and faculty, it will create a meaningful dent in the housing crisis affecting our most vulnerable communities. So on behalf of UCSA and students across California, I respectfully urge your aye vote. Thank you.
- Juan Carrillo
Legislator
Thank you. Anybody that wants to add on in support, please state your name, affiliation and position on the Bill.
- Unidentified Speaker
Person
Holly for many a day assisted Lighthouse Public affairs on behalf of Abundant Housing Los Angeles and California. Yimby in support.
- Joshua Bruxen
Person
Dr. Josh Bergson, South Pasadena Residents for Responsible Growth and strong support my Assembly Member.
- Brady Guertin
Person
Good afternoon Chair Members. Brady Grudden on behalf of the League of California Cities in a respectful opposed unless amended position. I did want to say we appreciate the amendments. We think the narrowing is helpful in the right direction. But we do still remain concerned that one of the challenges we have.
- Brady Guertin
Person
We recognize that student housing is really really important. We are they're important for our economy. They're important for a lot of our communities across the state. But I think of cities like Berkeley, Stockton and these other ones that have campuses as a big part of it.
- Brady Guertin
Person
And right now, as currently drafted, the Bill would allow a bi ride approval for student housing half a mile from campus. So you're looking in the General population now. One of the challenges of that though we are supportive of trying to promote more affordable housing for students. One of the challenges is local governments.
- Brady Guertin
Person
If it's a full on student housing project, we don't get credits on our arena for it. So it's going to make it really challenging for our cities to meet arena numbers in a way that establishes and achieves the goals that have been laid out for us by the state.
- Brady Guertin
Person
So we do worry that it's going to emphasize that, you know, the other important thing is to ensure that it complies with local zoning regulations. So we are concerned that it doesn't account for areas that are necessary for planning and student development. So we look forward to those continued conversations.
- Brady Guertin
Person
We think that this is an important issue and we'll look forward to working with the authors and sponsors on the Bill as it moves forward. Thank you.
- Juan Carrillo
Legislator
Thank you. Anybody else I want to add on in opposition? See None. Committee Members comments, questions? A motion Second Assembly Member Hoover. There a second second by Assembly Member Ward. Would you like to close? Assembly Member Fong thank you so much Mr.
- Mike Fong
Legislator
Chair Members. We must continue our momentum until we see a real decrease in homeless and housing insecure students. I appreciate the comments here today and thank you. We look forward to continue conversations as well.
- Mike Fong
Legislator
We got to continue to do everything possible to continue to build places that are already lively economic centers and continue to embrace the hopes and aspirations of our students. And I'm grateful to my student speakers here as well. And leaders are certainly asked for an aye vote.
- Juan Carrillo
Legislator
Thank you for your work on this issue. I will be supporting your Bill today. The motion is to pass to the preparations Committee. Secretary, please call the roll.
- Unidentified Speaker
Person
AB893. The motion is do pass to appropriation. Carrillo. Aye. Korea I Todd. Todd not voting. Hoover Aye. Hoover I. Pacheco. Pacheco I. Ramos. Ramos I. Ransom. Rubio. Rubio I Stephanie Ward. Ward I. Wilson. Wilson I.
- Juan Carrillo
Legislator
The measure is out. We'll leave the roll open for others to add on. Thank you. Thank you so much. We're going to go back to agenda item number one. AB87 by Assembly Member Borner when you're ready.
- Tasha Boerner
Legislator
Yes. Good afternoon Mr. Chair Members. AB87 is another Tasha B special. I introduced AB87 to clarify that density bonus law is being used for residential purposes in my district. A project application was submitted that allow the development to exceed the city's height limit. A proposed 3,238foot tower adding 139 hotel rooms and only 10 affordable units.
- Tasha Boerner
Legislator
The state's density bonus laws were intended to contribute to affordable housing, not to expand hotels. AB87 would ensure that concessions gained through the construction of hotels cannot be used on hotel Construction of housing could not be used for on hotels. Concessions from density bonus laws should not be used for visitors serving purposes.
- Juan Carrillo
Legislator
Anybody in the audience wants to add on in support, please state your name, affiliation and position on the Bill testimony.
- Joshua Bruxen
Person
Good afternoon, Mr. Chair. Committee Members John the Clan behalf of the City of Encinitas in support.
- Unidentified Speaker
Person
Rick Bates on behalf of Unite Here local authority San Diego support Matt Brod on behalf of Unite Here International Union in support. Thank you.
- Juan Carrillo
Legislator
Any prominent witnesses in opposition? Seeing none. Committee Members. Questions? Comments? A motion motion moved by Assemblymember Ward, second by Assembly Member Ramos. Would you like to close?
- Juan Carrillo
Legislator
Thank Assembly Member Borner for working with the community. We will be supporting the Bill today. The motion is due. Pass. Secretary, please call the roll.
- Unidentified Speaker
Person
Ta voting. Todd? Not voting. Hoover. Aye. Hoover I. Pacheco.
- Unidentified Speaker
Person
Pacheco. Aye. Ramos. Aye. Ramos. Aye. Ransom? Rubio. Rubio. Aye. Stephanie Ward. Ward. I Wilson. Wilson. Aye.
- Juan Carrillo
Legislator
The measures out. Thank you. We'll leave the roll open, see no other authors to come and present. Can we catch up with some of the open rolls? We're gonna start with consent calendar. We need a motion for consent. Let's do the consent and yeah. Second first by word on consent. Please call the wrong.
- Juan Carrillo
Legislator
Consent. Calendar items are out. We'll leave the roll open. You want to go next? Assembly Member Wilson? Agenda number 13. AB 769. You're ready.
- Lori Wilson
Legislator
Excuse me. Good morning. I keep saying good morning this afternoon. I don't know why. I guess I don't know what it is. I did start very early in the morning, so. Good afternoon to the chair and Members of this Committee.
- Lori Wilson
Legislator
I'm pleased to present AB769, a Bill to modernize and clean up the section of the Public Resource Code governing regional park districts, park and open space districts and open space districts. Really long title.
- Lori Wilson
Legislator
The East Bay Regional Park District, along with similar agencies play a critical role in preserving natural spaces while also providing valuable recreational opportunities for millions of Californians. I'd like to note that I appreciate the work that's been done on this Bill.
- Lori Wilson
Legislator
Our partners with labor and also the Committee and particularly the Chair worked with me on this particular language and we are absolutely taking the suggested amendments this East Pay. Excuse me.
- Lori Wilson
Legislator
East Bay RPD contains 73 regional parks, covers over 125,000 acres with 1300 miles of trails and 55 miles of shoreline, serving both Alameda County and Contra Costa county. With roughly 30 million visitors a year visits a year.
- Lori Wilson
Legislator
However, existing applicable provisions in the PRC code are increasingly outdated and do not fully address the current demands of land management, governance or sustainable environmental practices. Over time, the need for more efficient administrative processes have become much more pronounced. The bill's proposed changes aims to address these issues through select updates.
- Lori Wilson
Legislator
This includes updating administrative and governance practices to increase efficiency and responsiveness, incorporating considerations such as climate change, extreme weather events and the need for equitable, sustainable management of open space and updating outdated provisions regarding land management, including restrict property lease terms and acreage limits for land exchanges.
- Lori Wilson
Legislator
More importantly, this also includes providing administrative flexibility for procurement and specified circumstances. These updates will enhance governance, ensure adaptability and safeguard the long term sustainability of regional park resources. With that, I would like to introduce my witnesses. My witness today, Lisa Baldinger with East Bay Regional Parks District.
- Lisa Baldinger
Person
Thank you. Good afternoon, Chair Carillo and Members of the Committee. Committee, thank you for the opportunity to speak with you today. My name is Lisa Baldinger, Legislative and Policy Management Analyst with the East Bay Regional Park District. And I'm here to express our strong support for AB769 as the legislation sponsor.
- Lisa Baldinger
Person
First I'd like to thank Assemblymember Wilson for authoring this important Bill. And I would also like to thank Committee staff for working with us on these amendments and providing a comprehensive analysis of our proposal.
- Lisa Baldinger
Person
AB769 represents the first comprehensive update to the Public resources code, Article 3 since its inception in 1933, legislation that also enabled the founding of our agency in 1934. Today, the East Bay Regional Park District spans over 127,000 acres across Alameda and Contra Costa County.
- Lisa Baldinger
Person
We serve over 3 million residents across 33 cities and support over 30 unique visits annually. Governed by a publicly elected board of directors and General manager, our agency plays an important role in supporting public health, equitable access to open space, and quality of life.
- Lisa Baldinger
Person
In celebration of our 90th anniversary last year, we partnered with the Mid Peninsula Regional Open Space District to review Article 3 in its entirety. With input from our colleagues and partners, we identified updates that reflect modern park operations, improved governance practices, and more efficient public service. We appreciate your consideration of these amendments today.
- Lisa Baldinger
Person
AB769 includes several key improvements. It aligns administrative purchasing limits for equipment, supplies and materials in regional park districts with those of county government serving over 2000 in population. It improved land exchange limits to better respond to long term planning needs.
- Lisa Baldinger
Person
And it removes obsolete provisions specific to the East Bay Regional Park District that are no longer relevant, making the law clearer, more navigable, and aligned with today's expectations for accountability and efficiency.
- Lisa Baldinger
Person
Together, these changes will provide regional park and open space districts with the support they need to manage public lands responsibly and continue high quality service to the communities across California. We respectfully urge your support of AB769 and thank you for your time and consideration.
- Juan Carrillo
Legislator
Thank you. Is there anyone that wants to add on support? Please state your name, affiliation and position on the Bill.
- Jennifer Galehouse
Person
Jennifer Galehouse, on behalf of the Mid Peninsula Regional Open Space District. In support.
- Coby Pizzotti
Person
Mr. Chair Members Coby Pizzotti on behalf of. The California Association of Recreation and Park Districts in support.
- Juan Carrillo
Legislator
Is there any primary witness in opposition? Please come forward. Seeing none. Any opposition at all? Seeing none. Committee Members, Comments? Questions? A motion Motion? A second? Would you like to close?
- Lori Wilson
Legislator
Thank you. I appreciate the work of this Committee again on the amendments and I appreciate my witness who does amazing work in the district. And with that I respectfully ask for an aye vote.
- Juan Carrillo
Legislator
Thank you for working with the Committee on Accepting the amendments. I will be voting yes in your Bill today. The motion is do pass as amended. Secretary, please call the roll.
- Juan Carrillo
Legislator
The measure is out. We'll leave the call open for others to add on. Assemblymember Gonzalez Mark Gonzalez agenda item number 16 AB906 when you're ready.
- Mark Gonzalez
Legislator
Those who know know Ready Freddie Good morning. Good morning. Good afternoon. Thank you Mr. Chair and Members, I'm proud to present AB906 legislation designed to strengthen and clarify California's Affirmatively Furthering Fair housing law and local housing elements.
- Mark Gonzalez
Legislator
I'm proud to present AB906 legislation and strengthening clarify California's affirm affirmatively furthering fair housing law through improvements to local housing elements. Thank you to the Committee for your thoughtful work and analysis on this Bill. Building on six years of implementation, AB 906 addressed persistent challenges in how jurisdictions identify and plan for housing opportunities, especially for protected classes.
- Mark Gonzalez
Legislator
Under the current housing element framework, the Federal Fair housing Act of 1968 establishes the right to fair housing, but its enforcement has fluctuated significantly over time. The Obama Administration 2015 AFFH rule brought renewed clarity only to be rolled back under the Trump Administration, prompting California's proactive legislation in response.
- Mark Gonzalez
Legislator
In response, my predecessor and Myself worked on AB 686 Santiago 2018 and AB 1304 Santiago 2021 establishing clarifying a state level AFFH mandate. AB 906 builds on these foundational laws by directly responding implementation issues seen during the sixth housing element cycle.
- Mark Gonzalez
Legislator
Despite progress, more work needs to be delivered and many jurisdictions fail to adequately analyze or act on issues like displacement, divestment, exclusion, affordable housing opportunities remain limited in higher income neighborhoods and over reliance on ADUs which often lack affordability guarantees has undermined planning for lower income housing.
- Mark Gonzalez
Legislator
AB 906 strengthens AFFH planning in several ways Requires jurisdiction distribute a meaningful share of multifamily lower income housing and higher income areas Mandates rezoning when site distribution fails to meet AFFH requirements even if overall all arena targets are met.
- Mark Gonzalez
Legislator
Clarifies that the fair housing analysis must be completed early in the process with meaningful engagement on protected classes and community based organizations.
- Mark Gonzalez
Legislator
Expand the scope of fair housing analysis to include disparities disparities in access to education, employment, transportation, health and financial services as well as at risk like eviction, homelessness and climate related hazards like the use of ADUs toward lower income RHNA unless deed restricted for long term affordability.
- Mark Gonzalez
Legislator
AB906 ensures fair housing policies are community informed, transparent and equity focused, requiring early outreach, language, accessibility and reporting on how feedback is used. With federal AFH protections under again under threat and attack, California must lead by ensuring that our own laws are strong, clear and enforceable. AB906 is a timely and necessary step.
- Mark Gonzalez
Legislator
The Bill helps combat segregation Unequal access Ensuring fair housing planning includes real strategies to expand opportunity and and support historically marginalized communities. As a seventh housing element cycle approaches, AB 906 will give local governments clear direction and provide HCD with stronger tools to evaluate housing.
- Mark Gonzalez
Legislator
With me today is Natalie Sivak with Housing California and Skyler Spear on behalf of Public Advocates, Take it away.
- Natalie Spivak
Person
Good afternoon Chair and Committee Members Natalie Spivak with Housing California We're a statewide nonprofit organization focused on affordable housing production and ending homelessness.
- Natalie Spivak
Person
While we saw a lot of good work in local housing elements in the sixth cycle, we also saw a lot of places where the outcomes were not what we envisioned when we passed AB686 and in particular not sufficient to break down entrenched patterns of segregation and exclusion.
- Natalie Spivak
Person
In particular, we saw too many cities that did not make lower income sites available in their arena allocation in higher income single family areas, the very places that were born from redlining and offer critical access to economic and educational opportunity.
- Natalie Spivak
Person
AB 906 addresses this by requiring HCD to create an online tool that local governments can use as they build their inventory of housing sites to ensure that they're distributing sites across the jurisdiction in a way that's consistent with the AFFH obligation.
- Natalie Spivak
Person
The tool will allow the jurisdiction to see whether or not their site's inventory meets AFFH requirements and adjust as necessary before they submit a draft to hcd. There's simply no way that California can address the history of racial and other forms of discrimination in housing without providing opportunities to develop affordable housing in exclusionary communities.
- Natalie Spivak
Person
We've structured AB906 to achieve that goal while also making it easier for local governments to comply. I also want to lift up that AFFH is not just about creating more affordable housing opportunities for Members of protected classes in areas of historic exclusion.
- Natalie Spivak
Person
It also requires actions to address disinvestment in lower income neighborhoods in ways that are responsive to community needs and prevent displacement. AB906 also makes changes to improve outcomes for lower income areas, which my colleague will discuss. Thank you and I urge your aye vote.
- Skylar Spear
Person
Good afternoon Chairman Members, My name is Skyler Spear. I'm an attorney with Public Advocates, a nonprofit law firm and advocacy organization. We are Co sponsoring AB906 as part of their housing elements.
- Skylar Spear
Person
Current state law requires towns, cities and counties around the state to complete a fair housing analysis that clarifies fair housing issues specific to the jurisdiction and a set of programs designed to address those specific issues.
- Skylar Spear
Person
This Bill will strengthen the connection between the analysis and programs by requiring the analysis be completed first, allowing a clear and logical flow to program creation clarify what factors jurisdictions must consider in their analysis and clarify the existing requirement to engage with impacted community Members throughout the analysis and program development process.
- Skylar Spear
Person
I've recently worked with a team to complete and publish two reports on how AB686 has impacted housing elements in the Bay Area. We looked at the types of programs adopted by jurisdictions and the strategies they used to claim they will meet their regional housing needs allocation.
- Skylar Spear
Person
Our analysis demonstrates that jurisdictions are having a hard time understanding why and how to use the fair housing analysis process to create a strong and meaningful set of policies and programs that will meet the needs of their specific communities.
- Skylar Spear
Person
The data is clear that the strongest sets of programs come out of jurisdictions with the strongest collaboration with impacted vulnerable community Members. These community Members know what their needs are and how best to address them, while city staff and HCD can help turn those needs into programs and policies that are realistically implementable.
- Skylar Spear
Person
Both the data and experience show us that the Fair Housing analysis has not been completed before the programs or in collaboration with community Members consistently but often simultaneously, which makes it difficult, if not impossible, to derive programs that will support the needs of community directly and logically from the analysis.
- Skylar Spear
Person
And this simultaneous work creates unnecessary extra work for already overburdened city staff. Finally, both the data and our experience shows that city staffers find fair Housing analysis requirements to be vague, confusing and overbroad, which in turn negatively impacts program creation.
- Skylar Spear
Person
In this Bill, we're trying to clarify for the sake of city staffers and community Members alike what the format and purpose of the Fair Housing analysis is. We know that doing so will create more meaningful and impactful programs that will address the actual needs of actual Californians. We respectfully request your aye vote. Thank you for your time.
- Juan Carrillo
Legislator
Thank you. Anybody that wants to add in support, state your name, affiliation and Anya Lawler.
- Unidentified Speaker
Person
On behalf of the California Rural Legal Assistance foundation, proud co sponsor in support.
- Juan Carrillo
Legislator
Thank you. We do have a motion. Are there any primary witnesses in opposition? See none in opposition at all. State your name, affiliation and position.
- Brady Garden
Person
Good afternoon, Chair and Members Brady Garden. On behalf of the League of California. Cities Apologies, we didn't get a letter in, but we have had great conversations with the sponsors and authors. So we are opposed unless admitted for. Now, but look forward to those continued. Conversations because we think there's a good balance here.
- Brady Garden
Person
So we're respectfully opposed, once amended, to. Look forward to the continued conversations and thank the author's office and the sponsors for those.
- Juan Carrillo
Legislator
Thank you. Appreciate it. Committee Members, comments, Questions? We do have a motion. Is there a second?
- Juan Carrillo
Legislator
Second by Assemblymember Wilson. Assemblymember Mark Gonzalez. Would you like to close?
- Mark Gonzalez
Legislator
Thank you. As you heard, we are working with the opposition and definitely looking for a pathway toward fair housing. AB906 is about making good on a decades old promise that where you live should never determine your worth, your opportunities or your future.
- Mark Gonzalez
Legislator
In my district of Boyle Heights, families have watched decades as affordable housing has been concerted their neighborhood while wealthier areas across the city resist any sort of change. Despite being rich in culture and community, Boyle Heights has long been burdened with divestment, pollution and displacement. While others benefit from exclusionary planning. That's not equity. That's not fair housing.
- Mark Gonzalez
Legislator
And it's not sustainable today. Paper plans are not enough. We need real commitments, real accountability and real equity. Where homes are built and for whom? AB 906 gives us the tools to dismantle structural barriers and build communities where everyone, regardless of background, has a fair shot.
- Mark Gonzalez
Legislator
You can't build justice on zoning lines that divide, only foundations that include. Let's meet this moment with urgency, passion and purpose. Fair housing is not charity. It's justice. Thank you. And I respectfully ask your aye vote.
- Juan Carrillo
Legislator
Thank you for your work on this issue. I will be supporting your Bill today. The motion is Duke, passed to the Appropriations Committee. Secretary, please call the roll.
- Unidentified Speaker
Person
AB 906. The motion is due. Pass. Carrillo. Hi, Rio. Ayta. Hoover not voting. Hoover not voting. Pacheco. Pacheco. I. Ramos. Ramos. I. Rubio. No. Ransom.
- Unidentified Speaker
Person
Ransom. Aye. Rubio. Thank you. Rubio. I. Stephanie. Ward. Ward. I. Wilson. Thank you. Five, seven.
- Juan Carrillo
Legislator
The measure set will leave the roll open for the student. Thank you.
- Steve Bennett
Legislator
Good afternoon, chair and Members. AB 1430 is a simple bill. It helps our county recording fees to catch up with. Specifically, this bill increases the first page fee on recorded documents from $10 to $15. And the fee for the second page and subsequent pages from $3 to $4.
- Steve Bennett
Legislator
May sound like a significant increase, but it's the first time fees have been adjusted since 2010, that's 14 years with no increase. Certainly the rate of inflation has been much higher than these percentage changes since then. We've seen the Recorder's offices have to rely on county General funds because their fees have not kept up with rising costs.
- Steve Bennett
Legislator
The work that the Recorder's office does is critical to processing documents like deeds and trust to ensure home buyers don't have a delay in getting the keys to their homes and everybody involved in the transaction gets paid promptly.
- Steve Bennett
Legislator
However, unless we help these fees catch up with inflation, Recorder's offices will have to continue relying on general funds or beginning making difficult staffing decisions while finding ways to maintain service, which will ultimately mean delays and delays in people being paid on time.
- Steve Bennett
Legislator
With me today are witnesses on behalf of the sponsor, the County Recorders Association of, California, and it is Janelle Horne, the Clerk Recorder of El Dorado county. And I appreciate her being here.
- Janelle Horne
Person
Thank you very much. Good afternoon, chair and Members of the Committee. My name is Janelle Horn and I'm the Recorder Clerk for El Dorado County. I come before you today to represent the Recorders Association on behalf of all 58 counties.
- Janelle Horne
Person
Recorder's Office duties include, but are not limited to recording documents that pertain to real property, such as deeds which transfer ownership financing documents like liens and also maps. The Recorder's office is intended to be a self supported Department, basically a fee for service. The fees that we collect are used to pay for salaries, benefits and supplies.
- Janelle Horne
Person
As in my county, we do not receive General Fund support at this time. This bill affects all property owners as we need this revenue to continue to run our operations and provide services to the public that are required by statute.
- Janelle Horne
Person
The bill is set before you today is to help the Recorder's current fees to catch up as we have been severely impacted by inflation. Our fees haven't been increased since 2010 almost 15 years and as we all know, costs of conducting business have significantly increased from health insurance to reams of paper.
- Janelle Horne
Person
Some recorders also have become a burden to their counties in needing to rely on the General Fund for support. In the last couple of years, counties have had a budget deficit and are unable to give General Fund money to offset the recorder.
- Janelle Horne
Person
This has led to reductions in force, layoffs and furloughs, which in the long run impacts service levels to constituents. We ask that you please approve this bill so that we can continue to serve our communities with excellent service and the resources needed to do so.
- Janelle Horne
Person
Thank you so much for hearing my comments and I'm available for any questions that you may have in regards to this bill.
- Juan Carrillo
Legislator
Thank you. Is there anybody in the room that wants to support. Please state your name, affiliation and position on the bill.
- Sara Duquette
Person
Sarah Duquette on behalf of the rural. County representatives of California in support.
- Mark Neuberger
Person
Mark Neuberger on behalf of the California. State Association of Counties in support.
- Mark Neuberger
Person
Any primary witnesses in opposition please come forward. Seeing none. Committee Members questions? Comments? Motion a second. Would you like to close Assemblymember Bennett?
- Juan Carrillo
Legislator
Thank you for working on this bill. I'll we be voting? Aye. The motion is do pass to the Appropriations Committee.
- Committee Secretary
Person
Carrillo Aye. Ta 1430. 1430. Not voting. Todd. Not voting. Hoover.
- Committee Secretary
Person
Hoover. Not voting. Pacheco. Pacheco. Aye. Ramos. Ramos. Aye. Ransom. Rubio. Rubio Aye. Stephanie Ward. Ward. Aye. Wilson. Wilson. Aye.
- Juan Carrillo
Legislator
Will leave the roll open for others to add on. Thank you Assembly Member. Thank you.
- Juan Carrillo
Legislator
We do have three items on the agenda left. I do have one of those items. I'm going to go and present item number 12 AB 735 on a pass the gavel to Vice Chair Ta.
- Juan Carrillo
Legislator
Thank you Mr. Vice Chair and Members of the Committee. I am here to present AB 735, which is a follow up to AB 98 from last year. Our state and our world's economy is increasingly relying on the movement, storage and delivery of goods from all over the world.
- Juan Carrillo
Legislator
The logistics industry has boomed over the past 15 years as the rise of E-commerce and our constituents expectations for rapid shipping have grown. For nearly a decade, the Legislator has grappled with how to protect impacted communities from the risk that come from living among heavy duty diesel trucks. This fight predates my time here in the Legislature.
- Juan Carrillo
Legislator
But last year at the request of the speaker, I dedicated much of my time to helping find a chess compromise to address this issue. My staff and I toured logistic facilities in the surrounding communities across the state.
- Juan Carrillo
Legislator
We met with stakeholders and consulted experts in public health, labor and the logistics industry to find a delicate balance that I believe will both keep the industry and thousands of jobs it creates here in California, improving the quality of life for community members and our constituents.
- Juan Carrillo
Legislator
The delicate balance we struck in AB 98 creates the increased sustainability and air quality standards for warehouses built within an existing community. It requires developers to design new warehouses with community members in mind. And it requires local governments to develop and enforce meaningful truck routes and minimize the impact of trucks coming to and from these facilities.
- Juan Carrillo
Legislator
As with all isolation of this magnitude, there is more work to do. Our John Author AB 98 Senator Reyes and I have introduced identical bills to clarify a number of outstanding issues. We have held dozens of meetings with stakeholders on all sides and will continue to have these conversations for a long year.
- Juan Carrillo
Legislator
The Bill in print addresses a number of issues including ensures existing affordability housing requirements are not replaced by the affordable housing language in AB 98, makes clear that AB 98 provisions do not apply to certain port properties or agricultural uses, provides more time for small cities and counties to update their circulation elements and gives the Attorney General direction to work with local governments that are working in good faith to comply with AB 98.
- Juan Carrillo
Legislator
Members, this is a very challenging issue with passionate stakeholders on all sides. We have elected not to have a lead witness here in support, but instead I would like to take a moment to thank all of the stakeholders that have come forward with their concerns and their ideas to help us ensure we get this right.
- Juan Carrillo
Legislator
We must maintain this delicate balance that improves the quality of life for impacted communities and keeps this critical industry alive and well in the State of California.
- Tri Ta
Legislator
Thank you so much. Chair do we have any primary witnesses for support? Do we have anyone who hears a good afternoon?
- Skyler Wonnacott
Person
Thank you, Mr. Vice Chair and Members. Skyler Wonnacott with California Business Property Association and our Members, the Building Owners Managers Association of California, Naho California, representing a broad coalition of stakeholders. Like to thank Assemblymember Carrillo. He has met with us a multitude of times as well as Senator Reyes. We appreciate the amendments.
- Skyler Wonnacott
Person
We believe that they are a good step in the right direction to cleaning up AB98. However, we do note that there's still a lot of work that needs to be done to to ensure that proper implementation of AB 98 goes through forward as intended. Continue to work with Assemblymember Carrillo and Senator Reyes.
- Skyler Wonnacott
Person
Appreciate his support and look forward to the conversations. Thank you.
- Melissa Sparks-Kranz
Person
Melissa Sparks-Kranz with the League of California Cities, not your Mr. Brady Guertin here today, but I'm our Environmental Quality Advocate and just really wanted to note we have a seeking amendments position.
- Melissa Sparks-Kranz
Person
We are seeking additional amendments, but we wanted to thank the author and Senator Reyes for introducing the companion bills and for committing to the cleanup this year.
- Melissa Sparks-Kranz
Person
We do believe that the amendments, thus far, are a step in the right direction to help local governments, in particular, with the circulation element update by allowing those small cities and counties additional time to meet that requirement. As well as, the good faith enforcement provision.
- Melissa Sparks-Kranz
Person
This is a really helpful tool to ensure that those cities and counties working in good faith do have an opportunity to carry out and implement this Bill effectively. We do have several additional amendments pertaining to the circulation element, but we really look forward to continuing to work with the author in that front. So thank you so much.
- Mark Neuburger
Person
Mark Neuburger of the California State Association of Counties. Just want to agree with all the comments just provided by Cal Cities. And we also thank the author, looking forward to working with them on this Bill as well.
- Lauren De Valencia Y Sanchez
Person
Thank you. Lauren De Valencia representing the American Planning Association. Our Members are the ones who are going to be responsible for implementing AB 98. So we really do appreciate working with the Members and the authors of the Bill and wanting to continue to work on that. To make sure that our Members can implement the Bill appropriately and to the effect that everybody wants to see as law was passed. So thank you very much.
- Nicole Wordelman
Person
Nicole Wordelman on behalf of the San Bernardino County Board of Supervisors. We don't have a position on the Bill, but very much appreciate the author's work and staff's work. In particular on the amendments related to the good faith effort on the circulation element.
- Tri Ta
Legislator
Thank you so much for that. Do we have any primary witnesses in opposition? Seeing none. Anyone in the room would like to speak in opposition? All right, I see none. Committee Members? All right. Seeing none. And I want to thank author for his attention to come up with a cleanup Bill.
- Tri Ta
Legislator
And I myself, I am not ready for this time, maybe in the future, and I look into it. So, Honorable Chair, you may close.
- Blanca Rubio
Legislator
I know that this has been a long time coming and I really appreciate the work that you've done and I know this is not the final version that we have to work through it, but please, please, please, you know, we have to find that balance.
- Blanca Rubio
Legislator
You know, we've had conversations. You and I have had conversations about this and you know, the last thing we want to do is prevent, you know, the work that needs to be done to be done.
- Blanca Rubio
Legislator
And so I know and I trust that you have been doing this, but I just wanted to make sure that I said it in public that we have to make sure that we get this right. Our communities are depending on it and the balance has to be there, not one sided or the other.
- Blanca Rubio
Legislator
So I really appreciate you doing the work and I will be supporting. But again, I just wanted to make sure that we all understand that this is still a work in progress and all the stakeholders have to be brought in. And it has been feeling, for a long time, that it's one sided.
- Blanca Rubio
Legislator
And I know with you it isn't. And so I want to make sure that we get it right and strike that balance.
- Juan Carrillo
Legislator
Mr. Vice Chair and Committee Members and everyone that came to speak on the microphone. You do have my continued support that we're going to continue to work on this critical issue. It did take a lot of work to get to where we are at this time.
- Juan Carrillo
Legislator
And I also want to recognize the long hours that Committee staff put into this along with my office. We did put a lot of work into this to be where we are today. My commitment continues to be there. We'll continue to have those conversations. And we do have to get it right.
- Juan Carrillo
Legislator
And working with staff in the industry and others that are stakeholders, I'm looking forward to continuous conversations so that we get it right. And with that, I respectfully request an aye vote.
- Tri Ta
Legislator
Thank you so much. Do we have a motion? A second? Oh, we did? All right. Thank you. So the motion is do pass to the Appropriations Committee. Madam Secretary, please call roll.
- Committee Secretary
Person
AB735. The motion is do pass to appropriation. [Roll Call] The vote is 6.
- Juan Carrillo
Legislator
We do have two more items on the agenda. And calling on Assembly Member Hart and Sodia staff Members. If you get a hold of him, please let him know to come to local government. We do have a few bills that we have on call. You want to start? Yes, we'll give you a minute to do that.
- Juan Carrillo
Legislator
Still 7-0 We'll leave the roll open. Since we have the two authors left in the room, we're going to continue with the agenda as in order. Assembly Member Hart. AB 1108, when you're ready.
- Gregg Hart
Legislator
Good afternoon, Mr. Chair and Members. I'm pleased to present AB 1108, a Bill to ensure that independent medical doctors determine the circumstances, cause and manner of death for individuals who die in custody in counties with combined sheriff coroner offices. Currently, 48 out of 58 counties in California have combined sheriff coroner offices.
- Gregg Hart
Legislator
The elected sheriffs in these counties also lead the coroner's office. These sheriffs are tasked with determining the manner and cause of all suspicious and unattended deaths, including deaths that occur in county jails. As a result, the same officials responsible for keeping incarcerated individuals safe are also tasked with conducting death investigations and medical examinations.
- Gregg Hart
Legislator
A 2024 Santa Barbara county grand jury report identified both the real and perceived conflicts of interest that arise from this arrangement. Previous legislation has unsuccessfully tried to mandate the separation of sheriff coroner offices in all counties.
- Gregg Hart
Legislator
In Contrast, this legislation, AB 1108 is a targeted and modest approach to reduce conflicts of interest during investigations of deaths that occur in custody. This spot Bill requires counties with combined sheriff coroner officers to refer in custody death medical investigations to another county's medical examiner or contract with a qualified third party medical examiner.
- Gregg Hart
Legislator
AB 1108 is especially drafted to be implementable in small and medium sized counties. With this Bill in place, independent medical doctors will be responsible for determining the circumstances, manner and cause of death.
- Gregg Hart
Legislator
AB 1108 aims to build public trust in the integrity of death investigations and medical examinations for in custody deaths in counties with combined sheriff coroner offices. I'm actively working with opposition on ways we can improve the Bill. And I'll continue to do so should the Bill leave this Committee.
- Gregg Hart
Legislator
Unfortunately, my witness is stuck on the Senate side of the House, so I'm ready to answer any questions.
- Juan Carrillo
Legislator
Thank you. Assemblymember. Anybody in the audience that wants to add on in support? See none. Any primary witnesses in opposition, please come on up. You can have a seat here if you like. And each of you have three minutes.
- Cassandra Quinto-Collins
Person
Good afternoon, Chair Carrillo and assemblymembers. My name is Cassandra Quinto-Collins. This is Robert Collins. We're Angelo Quinto's parents. Angelo was asphyxiated to death by Antioch police officers in December of 2020 in front of me while experiencing a mental health crisis.
- Cassandra Quinto-Collins
Person
He was- He had no weapons, he was not violent and was not under the influence of any common substances of abuse. He died under the weight of officers fully restraining him in a prone position for a long- prolonged period of time. We filed the writ of mandamus- mandamus and sued the sheriff coroner's office to request to change Angelo's cause of death.
- Cassandra Quinto-Collins
Person
The lawsuit was denied as according, you know, Angelo's mother, the next of kin. We were denied because they said that I do not have the legal standing, only Angelo, the deceased, who can request for a change on his birth- on his death certificate. So we're. Yeah, go ahead.
- Robert Collins
Person
So thank you for letting us address you today, Chair Carrillo. As an impacted family, it's hard to be here and to oppose the bill that presumably would tackle an unfair and biased process that has deeply affected our family. In 47 states in the United States and in 10 counties in California, this conflict is not allowable.
- Robert Collins
Person
But in those 48 counties that remain in California, the sheriff is the coroner. It's not a separate person. It is the exact same person who under this bill would still have complete discretion as to- to make all the decisions that we're instructing them to make. This changes nothing in the status quo.
- Robert Collins
Person
This status quo today, if you read the law, it reads pretty well. But it has one crucial flaw. The sheriff corner makes all the decisions without authority. No one else has authority to challenge them except at the ballot. That's what needs to change. That is what's different in 47 states and in 10 largest counties in California.
- Robert Collins
Person
And so, you know, we- we will be meeting with the author, but there's a lot of distance here because we have a problem that there's absolute authority vested in one person. And so in those 48 counties, like in our county, the sheriff can make that determination.
- Robert Collins
Person
And even as we try to challenge the sheriff coroner, it's really not possible, as far as we're concerned, to make any challenge that creates a conflict of interest, which is what we're trying to solve. But only truly independent power, a check on power, can solve that conflict.
- Robert Collins
Person
Making rosier language and trying to add more conditions when the same person is still the one deciding all of it means that the sheriff's corners were the same person in 48 counties will continue to be really above the law. They are the law in those counties. Thank you for allowing us to present.
- Juan Carrillo
Legislator
Thank you. Is there anybody else in the room that wants to add any opposition? Opposition? Seeing none. Thank you for sharing that painful experience. Committee members. Assemblymember Wilson.
- Lori Wilson
Legislator
Thank you to the author for trying to tackle what is a very complex issue and as was noted from the impacted families, extremely important to get right. And I think that the direction you're headed in is- is- is a good direction and on the right track. And that's why I'll be supporting it today.
- Lori Wilson
Legislator
The only caution I have is around letting a neighboring county do the work. I don't consider that independent. It's another elected body not elected by the people in the county. The that where the incident happened. And so I think the third party examiner.
- Lori Wilson
Legislator
And as you noted in the language you do note several times, that's independent as well as allowed to exercise independent judgment. And I think at that point we have that in a lot of spaces. So it's hard to undermine that. I mean people do and that's why we have a court system to be able to recognize that.
- Lori Wilson
Legislator
But I- But I am concerned about the language of going to a neighboring county. And so I ask that you continue to look on that. But I'll be happy to make the motion.
- Juan Carrillo
Legislator
Anybody else? See no other comments or questions for the author. Would you like to close?
- Gregg Hart
Legislator
I disrespectfully request an aye vote and appreciate the comments from our colleague and will do my best to continue to work. I've been very impressed by the determination of Angelo's parents and we're going to try and find something that works for everybody.
- Juan Carrillo
Legislator
Thank you. Thank you for your work on this important topic that affects many families. I will be supporting your bill today and urge you to continue working with all affected parties moving forward which you have committed to. The motion is do pass to the Appropriations Committee. Secretary, please call the roll.
- Committee Secretary
Person
AB 1108. The motion is due. Past appropriation. [ROLL CALL].
- Juan Carrillo
Legislator
The bill is out. Thank you. We'll leave the roll open. And with that we move on to the last agenda item. Item number 27. AB 1441 by Assembly Member Soria.
- Esmeralda Soria
Legislator
Good afternoon. Chair and Members. AB 1441 establishes an independent redistricting commission in the county of Merced to Improve participation and transparency in the redistricting process.
- Esmeralda Soria
Legislator
Since the establishment of California Statewide Citizens Redistricting Commission in 2008 by Proposition 11, California has taken numerous steps to put the responsibility for drawing California's electoral districts in the hands of its citizenry at every level of government.
- Esmeralda Soria
Legislator
What has previously been a closed door process in many parts of the state has been opened up to interested citizens who want to see the unique composition of their communities reflected in the district used in their elections.
- Esmeralda Soria
Legislator
Over the last two decades, many have followed the lead set by Prop 11 and sought the establishment of Citizens Redistricting Commissions for their cities and counties.
- Esmeralda Soria
Legislator
Legislation has brought the benefits of Citizens Redistricting Commissions to urban cities or urban counties like Los Angeles and San Diego and is bringing those benefits to rural counties as well like Fresno and San Luis Obispo. It's time for Merced to join these counties.
- Esmeralda Soria
Legislator
The people of Merced want the opportunity to participate in a transparent process where they are at the table.
- Esmeralda Soria
Legislator
In 2020, the city of Merced, the largest city in the county, successfully established and used a Citizens Advisory Committee for their redistricting process, further demonstrating the desire for this process in Merced County to ensure the engagement of its diverse citizens.
- Esmeralda Soria
Legislator
AB 1441 would establish a Citizens Redistricting Commission in the County of Merced in time for the completion of the next census and redrawing of the district lines in 2030. Here with me today to testify in support of AB 1441 we have Anna Lisa Vargas to speak on behalf of Communities for a New California.
- Anna Lisa Vargas
Person
Thank you. Good afternoon Mr. Chair and Members. My name is Analisa Vargas. I live in Merced, California and I work for Communities for a New California Action Fund, a co authoring organization of AB 1441. I strongly support Assemblywoman Soria's AB 1441 which would establish an independent Citizens Redistricting Commission in Merced County.
- Anna Lisa Vargas
Person
And this is about building a stronger foundation for the 2030 cycle. The opportunity to strengthen public trust shouldn't wait until there's a crisis. We've heard concerns from the Merced County Board of Supervisors about local control and trust and cost. But let's be clear. This bill is about local control.
- Anna Lisa Vargas
Person
It puts the power back in the hands of the voters of Merced County. Voters should choose their elected officials and elected officials should not choose their voters. The Independent Redistricting Commission for Merced County would accomplish that, just as the California Citizens Redistricting Commission does for California.
- Anna Lisa Vargas
Person
And so we know that the current process follows a letter of the law, but that's not enough. And AB 1441 ensures we meet the spirit of fair representation, especially for communities that have historically been left out. We believe this is forward thinking, community centered reform. And it's Merced's turn. So we respectfully urge your support for 1441.
- Juan Carrillo
Legislator
Thank you. Anybody else that wants to add on in support, please state your name, affiliation and position on the bill.
- Sadalia King
Person
Thank you. Members, my name is Sadalia King. On behalf of UDW, ask me local 3930 and strong support.
- Bryant Miramontes
Person
Hello, Bryant Miramontes with American Federation of State County Municipal Employees in strong support. Please forgive us for getting our letter in after the deadline.
- Jennifer McQueen
Person
Hello, Jennifer McQueen of Central Valley Pride in strong support.
- Juan Carrillo
Legislator
Thank you. Are there any primary witnesses in opposition? Please come forward.
- John Pedrozo
Person
Good afternoon, Chairman Carrillo, Vice Chair Ta and members of the committee. My name is Josh Pedrozo, Chairman of the Merced County Board of Supervisors. While Merced county remains opposed to Assembly bill 1441 in its current form, we appreciate Assemblywoman Soria's willingness to discuss restructuring with us in the days ahead.
- John Pedrozo
Person
We share the Assembly Woman's goal of community outreach and our past efforts have successfully resulted in diverse points of view being represented on the Board of Supervisors for decades. Mr. Chair, two brief points. This bill imposes a requirement for an 11 member redistricting commission with unrealistic service requirements.
- John Pedrozo
Person
Smaller counties often find it challenging to attract residents to serve on committees and commissions. The unintended consequence is that it may create a commission of individuals unfamiliar with governmental processes, thus undermining the intended goal of a transparent democratic Democratic process too. This bill creates a mandate without any corresponding funding to support it.
- John Pedrozo
Person
Considering our fiscal uncertainty, this bill disadvantages Merced County and places an undue burden on the hard working taxpayers and families of our area. The Merced County Board of Supervisors are fully committed to working with the Assembly Woman and offer a couple of suggestions today.
- John Pedrozo
Person
First, considering the county's demonstrated commitment to transparent redistricting processes in the past to make the commission advisory only in this respect. We have already provided the Assembly Woman with a draft of with a draft proposed framework for an advisory redistricting commission.
- John Pedrozo
Person
Second, as there is no funding to support this new mandate, whether it's advisory or compulsory to include funding, as the legislature has done in the past, with larger counties.
- John Pedrozo
Person
As the county remains hopeful that it can work collaboratively with the Assembly Woman on this legislation, we respectfully request your no vote or, should you choose to move the bill forward, that it become a two year bill to afford us with additional time to work through our concerns.
- John Pedrozo
Person
There is clearly no urgency for this legislation this year or in fact for the next several years. And thank you for your time.
- Juan Carrillo
Legislator
Thank you. Is there anybody else in the audience wants to add on in opposition? Please state your name, affiliation and position on the bill.
- Paul Yoder
Person
Mr. Chairman and members. Paul Yoder. The letters are forthcoming. The Boards of Supervisors in Fresno and Kings Counties have also voted to oppose. AB 441 and urge your no vote. Thank you.
- Sara Duquette
Person
Sarah Duquette on behalf of the Rural County representatives of California and opposition.
- Juan Carrillo
Legislator
Thank you. Committee Members. Questions? Comments? Assemblymember Stefani.
- Catherine Stefani
Legislator
Hi. Thank you, Chair. Again, I want to thank the Assembly Member for bringing this forward. As someone who is from Merced and still has many family members in Merced, I'm glad to see that the discussion discussions are continuing. And I will be voting for it again today.
- Catherine Stefani
Legislator
Knowing that those discussions continue, but just wanted to weigh in since I weighed in and elections as well. Thanks.
- Juan Carrillo
Legislator
Thank you. Anybody else? Is there a motion and a second? Motion by Assemblymember Wilson and seconded by Assemblymember Ramos. Thank you, Assemblymember. For your work on this bill, I will be voting I. The motion is do pass to the Appropriations Committee. Secretary, please call the roll.
- Juan Carrillo
Legislator
Thank you. And that concludes our agenda. We do have a couple of add ons to the rest of the agenda items. Whenever you're ready, Madam Secretary.