Hearings

Senate Budget and Fiscal Review Subcommittee No. 3 on Health and Human Services

May 1, 2025
  • Akilah Weber Pierson

    Legislator

    Good morning. We will now call to order Subcommitee three hearing. This hearing should take no more than two hours. I want to welcome everyone who is here and everyone who will be participating. This morning.

  • Akilah Weber Pierson

    Legislator

    We'll have five Department items up for discussion the Department of State Hospitals, the Department of Healthcare Access and Information, Department of Managed Healthcare, California Health Benefit Exchange and the Department of Healthcare Services. We will now begin with the First Department, the Department of State Hospitals. You can come and start with issue number one, which is the overview.

  • Akilah Weber Pierson

    Legislator

    We'll be welcoming the Department, LAO and Department of Finance and you may begin when you're ready.

  • Stephanie Clendenin

    Person

    Good morning, Chair. Stephanie Clendenin, Director for the Department of State Hospitals the Department of State Hospitals manages the California State Hospital System and a continuum of treatment programs in communities and jails throughout the state.

  • Stephanie Clendenin

    Person

    DSH's mission is to provide evaluation and treatment for individuals with complex behavioral health needs in a safe, equitable and responsible manner by leading innovation and excellence across the continuum of care. Across our system of care, we have five state hospitals located throughout California with over 6,000 inpatient beds.

  • Stephanie Clendenin

    Person

    This includes Acute Intermediate Skilled Nursing Facility and Residential Recovery level beds. We also have a Conditional Release program which is a system of community based services operated in partnership with county behavioral health departments and private providers that is designed to transition patients back into the community following a forensic commitment to dsh.

  • Stephanie Clendenin

    Person

    We also have partnerships with county behavioral health programs, private providers and county sheriffs to provide services specifically for individuals found incompetent to stand trial. These include community based restoration, diversion opportunities, stabilization and treatment program as well as jail based competency treatment programs. The majority of the commitments we serve are forensic commitments.

  • Stephanie Clendenin

    Person

    They have either committed or have been accused of committing crimes linked to their mental illness and generally are committed to DSH through the criminal courts or the the Board of Parole hearings after completing a sentence to CDCR.

  • Stephanie Clendenin

    Person

    These includes individuals committed to the Department as incompetent to stand trial, not guilty by reason of insanity, offenders with mental health disorders, sexually violent predators and we also serve as the least restrictive level of care in CDCR's mental health delivery system and provide treatment for CDCR incarcerated persons who require inpatient mental health treatment.

  • Stephanie Clendenin

    Person

    The Department also treats individuals conserved through the civil courts under the Lanterman Petra Short act and serves as one of the various treatment facilities available for conserved individuals and our facilities represent the highest level of care for this commitment type. Generally, we serve individuals with the most complex behavioral health treatment needs.

  • Stephanie Clendenin

    Person

    With respect to organizational changes, there have not been any significant organizational changes in the past year.

  • Stephanie Clendenin

    Person

    I would note that the most significant change occurred a few years ago after the Department was funded for the incompetent to stand trial solutions and significantly expanded its continuum of care into the community and jail settings, and that was to meet the demands of increased IST referrals.

  • Stephanie Clendenin

    Person

    At that time, the Department established the Community Forensic Partnerships Division which has the responsibility to identify the potential partnerships, negotiate the contract contracts with those partners, and provide operational technical assistance, guidance and oversight of those treatment programs.

  • Stephanie Clendenin

    Person

    Lastly, the 25-26 Governor's Budget proposes a total budget of 3.4 billion for the Department and an increase of 3.4 million from 2024 Budget act which includes both support and capital outlay funding and proposes 38 new positions. The proposed budget will allow the Department to maintain operations, delivery of services and provide for state hospital facility capital outlay improvements.

  • Stephanie Clendenin

    Person

    The agenda did ask for us to describe the impacts of the State operations and vacancy reductions on our budget and operations. So the vacancy reductions pursuant to control section 4.12 includes a reduction for DSH of 171.1 vacant positions resulting in savings of 20.4 million.

  • Stephanie Clendenin

    Person

    This represents approximately 1% of the department's authorized positions positions eliminated and the associated savings are across all of our facilities. However, a majority of these positions reflect reductions from the dsh, Atascadero, Napa location and Sacramento Headquarters.

  • Stephanie Clendenin

    Person

    The vacant position reductions are not anticipated to have any significant impact since the majority of these positions include positions associated with closed patient units that were closed due to longer term renovations that were happening on the units or that are units were closed to be used for swing space or they have been closed due to staffing needs.

  • Stephanie Clendenin

    Person

    It also includes the reduction of non level care positions that have been vacant for a significant amount of time. For the state operations reductions pursuant to control Section 4.05, the budget will be reduced by 8.8 million and again no significant impacts are anticipated.

  • Stephanie Clendenin

    Person

    The funding reduction reflects a reduction from Sacramento Headquarters only and no reductions from the State hospital budgets will occur. And this is in recognition of The Budget Letter 2424's guidance related to exceptions associated with locations for programs providing 24 hour care, mission critical benefit or service and public safety.

  • Stephanie Clendenin

    Person

    The State operation savings that will be achieved through the Sacramento Headquarters budget will be recognized through reductions in General expenses, travel printing, just General type of, you know, efficiencies that will be gained. That concludes my testimony on this item. Happy to take any questions.

  • Akilah Weber Pierson

    Legislator

    Thank you so much. Any comments from LAO?

  • Will Owens

    Person

    Will Owens with The Legislative Analyst Office. Nothing to add but available for questions.

  • Akilah Weber Pierson

    Legislator

    Thank you. Anything from Department of Finance?

  • Joseph Donaldson

    Person

    Joseph Donaldson, Department of Finance no additional comments. Thank you.

  • Akilah Weber Pierson

    Legislator

    Thank you so much. Then we will now move to. Oh, I'm sorry. Then we will now move to issue number two Program and Caseload Update.

  • Brent Houser

    Person

    Good Morning Chair and Committee. My name is Brent Hauser, Chief Deputy Director of Operations for the Department of State Hospitals. Starting with the overall caseload update by the end of 25-26, the Department projects a total patient census of 8,527 patients, which is an increase over 204 patients from what we project at the end of current year.

  • Brent Houser

    Person

    I'll now provide specific updates to caseload adjustments reflected in the 25-26 Governor's Budget and transition it to the Director and Colleague Chief Deputy Director for the remainder of the updates under issue number two. Starting with the DSH Metropolitan Increased Secure Bed Capacity Project. DSH reports a one time savings of $4.4 million.

  • Brent Houser

    Person

    This project added security infrastructure around an existing housing unit to create an additional 234 forensic beds across five units for the treatment of individuals determined to be incompetent to stand trial. Three units have already been opened, the other two are currently being used for treatment of skilled nursing facility patients while DSH Metropolitan SNF building is undergoing renovations.

  • Brent Houser

    Person

    That project is near completion and the SNF patients will transition back to the SNF unit, making the last two units available for the patient driven operating expenses and equipment. Estimate Item DSH requests $21.7 million General Fund, an ongoing tie to increase patient service costs and census. Primary cost drivers include utilities, pharmaceuticals, food and outside hospitalization costs.

  • Brent Houser

    Person

    Additionally, the agenda requested the Department provide an update on ongoing workforce development efforts and while not a comprehensive list of strategies before you today wanted to provide a brief summary of DSH's efforts.

  • Brent Houser

    Person

    We have expanded our psychiatric training programs to develop a pipeline for employment with DSH which includes the expansion of DSH Napa's residency program from 7 to 10 cohort participants. With its first full year completed this year, we've created a residency program at DSH Patton in partnership with OMA Linda University which which just recently received ACGME approval.

  • Brent Houser

    Person

    We have executed numerous fellowship partnerships across the system such as with UCLA, UCSF Riverside and Stanford and last have expanded residency rotation partnerships with Kaiser and Community Memorial Health. Additionally, DSH has executed a contract with the firm to developing marketing outreach campaigns for hard to fill classifications to increase our applicant pools.

  • Brent Houser

    Person

    We're also partnering with a psychiatric Technician education program directors across California to better align employment efforts with concurrent advertisement of the education programs for how to become a psychiatric technician. We've hosted multiple virtual and on site career fairs as well as rapid hiring events to enable the Department to provide same day job offers.

  • Brent Houser

    Person

    Last, while DSH is not the primary or the decision maker as it relates to collective bargaining, we do participate with CALHR to inform processes which have resulted in compensation increases in the form of pay differentials, retention bonuses and General salary increases. At this time, I'll hand it over to the Director for the next caseload updates. Thank you.

  • Stephanie Clendenin

    Person

    With respect to the Coleman increased referrals, the Department is requesting three positions in budget year and ongoing. This is position authority only to address increased workload related to referral intake for Coleman patients which are current California Department of Corrections and Rehabilitation incarcerated persons who are referred to the Department for inpatient treatment.

  • Stephanie Clendenin

    Person

    We make available 336 beds to CDCR for this purpose and the Department and CDCR recently implemented new trial processes with the goal of increasing referrals and utilization of DSH beds to address ongoing concerns raised by the Coleman Court and Special Master regarding the decreasing census in our DSH beds that occurred throughout the pandemic.

  • Stephanie Clendenin

    Person

    The agenda asked us to describe the strategies that we've taken to increase utilization of the Coleman beds and in August 20243 new efforts were implemented to increase referrals to the Department and further increase utilization of our beds.

  • Stephanie Clendenin

    Person

    These include reviewing incarcerated persons with close custody or single cell designation or who have a term of life without the possibility of parole for possible treatment at the Department if the Department determines it's clinically indicated and CDCR custody leadership agrees that the patient's designation can be changed to allow for treatment at dsh.

  • Stephanie Clendenin

    Person

    These populations have traditionally been excluded from treatment at the Department. We've implemented a long term intermediate treatment program designed to house and treat patients on a longer term basis who have previously been referred to DSH and who have demonstrated difficulty in reintegrating into CDCR's outpatient level of care due to the severity of their mental illness.

  • Stephanie Clendenin

    Person

    And lastly, we are utilizing our acute admissions units for patient stabilization before being transferred to our ICF unlocked dorm units. This allows more patients to be stabilized at DSH rather than being referred to CDCR's inpatient units for stabilization first before transfer and step down to our least restrictive level of care.

  • Stephanie Clendenin

    Person

    These three programs are in addition to two other programs efforts that we had implemented with CDCR in 2023 to increase referrals. The positions requested will assist in managing the referral intake workload associated with these new processes. I'm going to now pass it to Chief Deputy Director Edens to discuss the CONREP and IST solutions caseload adjustments.

  • Chris Edens

    Person

    Hi everyone, Chris Edens with respect to the Conditional Release program for non SBP patients, DSH is reporting a one time savings of 3.6 million in the current year which is tied to reduced census.

  • Chris Edens

    Person

    We anticipate a caseload of 985 Conrep clients in the current and budget year which includes 692 in CONREP programs that don't have dedicated beds, 35 students statewide transitional program beds, 90 forensic assertive community treatment beds and 168 IMD beds.

  • Chris Edens

    Person

    With respect to the savings which was one of the questions that was asked in the agenda, we do have a one time savings of 450,000 in the current year which is tied to a 30 bed IMD facility. The savings is related to unfilled beds associated with children, challenges with insufficient clinical evaluator staffing.

  • Chris Edens

    Person

    In addition, we have one time savings of 832,000 in the current year also due to reduced census of filling 20 of 30 beds due to clinical staffing levels.

  • Chris Edens

    Person

    In addition, we are also reporting one time savings of 2.3 million in the current year for a conditional release Forensic Assertive Community Treatment or otherwise known as FACT program in Alameda. We have closed this program due to the challenges the program experienced in operating.

  • Chris Edens

    Person

    DSH is currently in negotiations with a new provider and we'll be providing an update at the May revise. With respect to the incompetent to stand trial solutions, the Department is requesting 23 positions positions as a position authority only in the budget year and ongoing.

  • Chris Edens

    Person

    One of the positions is new and will support data collection and outcomes monitoring for the diversion program and the remaining 22 positions are a conversion of limited term to permanent to support the IST Reevaluation Services program on an ongoing basis.

  • Chris Edens

    Person

    Reevaluation Services was originally funded as a four year program and authorizing this program ongoing on an ongoing basis, DSH will be able to continue to provide reevaluation services of IST defendants in jail as well as to strategically deploy these evaluator resources to support the community IST treatment programs that do not have this capacity.

  • Chris Edens

    Person

    The Department is also reporting a one time savings of 237.5 million in the current year, 82.1 million in fiscal year 25-26 and 78.9 million in 26-27. These savings reflect updated timelines for various IST program activations, primarily assumptions regarding the build out of new community based treatment that's both our community based restoration and diversion infrastructure and associated programming.

  • Chris Edens

    Person

    It also is a result of DSH maximizing the utilization of remaining dollars in prior IST related appropriations that had multi year authority.

  • Chris Edens

    Person

    I would also note that while we're reporting these significant savings, the Department has made also significant progress and not only met but exceeded the requirements set forth by the court in the Stiavetti case which required the Department to provide substantive treatment to ist defendants within 28 days of the transfer of responsibility by March 1st of of 2025.

  • Chris Edens

    Person

    The Department submitted the final report to the court on its progress in meeting the 28 day deadline by March 1st. The report reflected that the average time to initiating treatment for all for ist individuals in February 2025 was just five days.

  • Chris Edens

    Person

    Additionally, since November of 2024100% of all IST individuals who did not have extenuating circumstances beyond DSH's control receive services within the final court compliance benchmark of 28 days.

  • Chris Edens

    Person

    The agenda also asked a question with regard to the current status of IST community based restoration and diversion programs, including how many temporary and permanent programs are currently in operation. With respect to the diversion pilot program the that is ending on June 302025.

  • Chris Edens

    Person

    There have been a total of 29 counties that participated in that program since inception and the permanent program currently has 26 counties. Los Angeles County. They shifted to a permanent program back in 202219 county contracts began on July 12024 and the remainder are expected to start in July of 202025.

  • Akilah Weber Pierson

    Legislator

    And that concludes my testimony. Happy to take any questions. Thank you so much. Any comments from Lao?

  • Will Owens

    Person

    Nothing to add but available for questions.

  • Akilah Weber Pierson

    Legislator

    Thank you. Any comments from Department of Finance?

  • Will Owens

    Person

    No additional comments. Thank you though.

  • Akilah Weber Pierson

    Legislator

    Perfect. Senator Menjivar.

  • Caroline Menjivar

    Legislator

    Thank you. First I want to thank the Department Director. You know that we closed a location due to staffing issues in Alameda County. I want to thank you that we took that staffing issue serious knowing that what it could lead to. So do definitely want to thank you on that.

  • Caroline Menjivar

    Legislator

    I'm wondering if you could speak a little bit more on the barriers that exist to getting these programs up and running that is causing these savings.

  • Chris Edens

    Person

    I mean mostly the barriers are having trained qualified staff, having being able to find sufficient staff to. So it's all still back to staffing? Yes, it really is back to staffing.

  • Caroline Menjivar

    Legislator

    Okay.

  • Chris Edens

    Person

    Less so much about capacity.

  • Caroline Menjivar

    Legislator

    Okay, good to know on that. And you know Director, the Department proposes best case scenarios to a lot of these requests. And as the Deputy or Chief Deputies have explaining as the briefing shows that there's a lot of savings from these programs.

  • Caroline Menjivar

    Legislator

    I'm hoping in Department of Finance, I'm hoping with every program moving forward we are more conservative in what we're asking for, knowing that we have these ongoing persistent challenges so that we don't come back with savings. Also knowing that we're making some really tough decisions this year and cutting things.

  • Caroline Menjivar

    Legislator

    If we're going to allocate a certain amount of money and then come back with savings, it's double frustrating. So I think we need to be a little bit more conservative when we allocate for programs moving forward.

  • Caroline Menjivar

    Legislator

    Director, can you share a little bit about apology maybe point of privilege here, SB 1323 and any updates we have on if we're seeing more transfers. Less transfers?

  • Stephanie Clendenin

    Person

    Yeah, very good question. So for SB 1323, it introduced an interest of justice option for individuals found incompetent to stand trial. So prior to SB 1323, individuals who were found incompetent to stand trial were referred to the Department.

  • Stephanie Clendenin

    Person

    Now the judge has the option is required actually to consider whether it's in the interest of justice to restore that individual to competency and if it's not in the interest of justice, then to consider other treaties treatment programs first considering whether they are eligible for diversion and if not diversion, then whether they should be conserved under the Lanterman Petra Short act or whether they're a candidate for AOT or CARE court.

  • Stephanie Clendenin

    Person

    And so we did. So that became effective January 1st. And subsequent to the implementation of that Bill, we did start to see a reduction in referrals to the Department.

  • Stephanie Clendenin

    Person

    We anticipated though a pretty swift reduction because all of the proceedings had to go through this first question of interest of justice, then go over to the treatment questions and then potentially come back to the Department for anyone that was determined to be interested of justice.

  • Stephanie Clendenin

    Person

    So we saw a pretty quick reduction in referrals over the first couple months. We are starting to see them ticked back up a little bit. And this month was I think a little bit higher than even last month. And so the we don't really know where it's going to stable. It's still too early.

  • Stephanie Clendenin

    Person

    Yeah, it's still too early to really understand what that long term impact is going to be to the referrals. But they are right now a little lower than what we were seeing on average pretty prior to the illness implementation approaches like this.

  • Caroline Menjivar

    Legislator

    And this isn't the only approach we've had to try to decrease the amount of individuals that go to our state hospitals. On the other side, we have Prop 36 and that could potentially increase individuals being transferred over. And I'd like to know if there's a potential correlation to.

  • Caroline Menjivar

    Legislator

    I know we're asking for more money for the Coleman program. Is there a correlation between higher cases coming from more arrests on Prop 36 and people needing to be deemed able to stand trial and increases in future increases in the Coleman program? Are those two separate things?

  • Stephanie Clendenin

    Person

    Yeah, the increases for the caseload adjustment for Coleman isn't tied to Prop 36. This is really with the existing population trying to identify more individuals that can be served in DSH's least restrictive setting rather than defaulting them to the CDCR psychiatric inpatient programs at the prison.

  • Stephanie Clendenin

    Person

    So it's really out of the current base of patients really trying to direct more referrals to the Department.

  • Caroline Menjivar

    Legislator

    So do we do. Are there any conversations or should we even be thinking about any increases to individuals being transferred over now that Prop 36 is in effect and more people are going to be arrested?

  • Stephanie Clendenin

    Person

    Yeah, we'll continue to watch the, you know, CDCR puts out their population projections. And so we'll continue to, you know, confer with our partners over at CDCR on their population trends and determine whether we anticipate an impact to our bed capacity.

  • Caroline Menjivar

    Legislator

    Okay. And final question. Any additional, you know, we had conversations that have been touring and so forth. Any new things you can share on? Just the major drives to people unable to stand trial. Major drivers.

  • Stephanie Clendenin

    Person

    So, you know, going back to when we initially started to see the increase of individuals being referred to the Department, this goes back over a decade now. You know, we really started to try to better understand after we first ultimately were just responding. Right. We were adding capacity and the referrals just kept increasing.

  • Stephanie Clendenin

    Person

    So we did do some research in partnership with UC Davis to try to better understand the drivers of individuals who are found incompetent. And what we didn't see really any significant change in, like, demographics, but what we did see in matching the data with the.

  • Stephanie Clendenin

    Person

    In looking at homelessness, the impacts of homelessness, and as well as matching our data with the Medi Cal Service data is that ultimately we saw that a very significant number of individuals and looking at arrest data, we saw that a very significant number of individuals were.

  • Stephanie Clendenin

    Person

    We were seeing a higher percentage of individuals have more and more arrests. So our data was looking at individuals with over 15 arrests. And we saw a very significant shift over a period of time in the numbers of people who had multiple arrests that were coming into us as incompetent to stand trial.

  • Stephanie Clendenin

    Person

    We also saw that I think it was over 50%, 60% when you include sheltered homeless. But 50% of unsheltered homeless individuals were experiencing homelessness at the time of arrest.

  • Stephanie Clendenin

    Person

    And then we also saw that about, I think it was around, around that same 50% of individuals, not the same individuals, but about 50% of individuals were had access medical mental health services prior to the rest. So really what we were seeing is symptoms of untreated mental illness cycling through the criminal justice system and homelessness.

  • Caroline Menjivar

    Legislator

    Thank you so much.

  • Akilah Weber Pierson

    Legislator

    Thank you Senator Menjewar. Really want to thank the Department on your work with IST patients and getting that number down. I know a couple of years ago very much out of compliance and so what you have done in a very short amount of time, time is very commendable.

  • Akilah Weber Pierson

    Legislator

    So want to really give you all your kudos for that and thank you so much for being here and thank you for your presentation. We will now move to issue number three, Facilities and Planning.

  • Brent Houser

    Person

    Good morning again, Brent Hauser, Chief Deputy Director of Operations for the Department of State Hospitals. I'll speak to issue number three which is specific to DSH's infrastructure and facility proposals starting with the statewide project management proposal.

  • Brent Houser

    Person

    This item requests position authority only for 12 positions in 25-26 and ongoing to address the sustained increase in workload associated with the number of design and construction projects.

  • Brent Houser

    Person

    This request is for civil service position authority only and the proposed positions will replace contracted project managers and will exercise project management oversight for construction related projects specific to information technology, capital outlay and maintenance and special repair projects.

  • Brent Houser

    Person

    The agenda requests for DSH to describe the increased workload which is primarily related to maintenance and operation of aging facilities across our system of care.

  • Brent Houser

    Person

    This proposal does primarily focus on those projects with an information technology component overlap with construction as that generates additional layers of complexity with structured cabling and telecommunication as it requires significant coordination with regulating entities like the Office of the State Fire Marshal.

  • Brent Houser

    Person

    The second proposal is specific to Napa State Hospital's electrical infrastructure upgrades where our DSH is proposing $2.8 million General Fund for the preliminary plans phase.

  • Brent Houser

    Person

    This project is necessary to meet the existing electrical demands of the facility and will upgrade the electrical distribution system which includes replacement of existing transformer substations, feeder lines, facility transformers, switch gear and installation of an additional generator.

  • Brent Houser

    Person

    In terms of DSH as future infrastructure plans as asked for in the agenda, DSH does complete an annual infrastructure plan for consideration over a five year period that's put forward as part of the annual budget process.

  • Brent Houser

    Person

    Specifically, the projects over the five year period that DSH is planning are projects associated with addressing electrical, water and utility plant deficiencies at Atascadero, Metropolitan, Napa and Patton State Hospitals. We're also providing a skilled nursing unit at Coalinga State Hospital to address our aging population and last renovating patient housing at Metropolitan State Hospital.

  • Brent Houser

    Person

    To inform this plan, we have completed facility condition assessments of each of our five state hospitals and evaluations to understand what those needs are in the medium and long term. That concludes testimony on issue number three. And happy to take any questions.

  • Akilah Weber Pierson

    Legislator

    Thank you so much. Any additional comments from LAO?

  • Will Owens

    Person

    Nothing further to add. Available for questions. Thank you.

  • Akilah Weber Pierson

    Legislator

    Anything from Department of Finance?

  • Will Owens

    Person

    No additional comments. Thank you.

  • Caroline Menjivar

    Legislator

    Senator Mendjivar, Department of Finance. I know you just answered Chief Deputy around the plan that DSH is taking for upcoming maintenance. But how are we, how are we calculating in these upcoming potential money we have to put put aside? This is $89.3 million to fix. Which location is this one? The Napa. Napa one.

  • Caroline Menjivar

    Legislator

    And knowing that all all other locations will except maybe with one are pretty old, how are we including or structuring in those amounts?

  • Joseph Donaldson

    Person

    Joseph Donaldson I'm going to defer to my colleague on this item. Thank okay.

  • Randy Katz

    Person

    Hello. Randy Katz, Department of Finance. So the future phases of these projects are built into the administration's multi year proposals. And so we are accounting for them in the overall look. So for example, for Napa the Budget Year would be preliminary plans. Budget year plus one would be the funding for working drawings.

  • Randy Katz

    Person

    Budget year plus two would be the funding for construction.

  • Caroline Menjivar

    Legislator

    So in the next couple of 5 years, Wi is AEDA request around this amount moving forward?

  • Randy Katz

    Person

    That is correct.

  • Caroline Menjivar

    Legislator

    Ah, for a while. Okay, thank you.

  • Akilah Weber Pierson

    Legislator

    All right. Thank you so much for your presentation. We will now move to the Department of Health Care. Oh, I'm so sorry. Enhanced Treatment Program Trailer Bill language and staffing update.

  • Stephanie Clendenin

    Person

    Good afternoon or good morning, again. Stephanie Clendenin, Director, Department of State Hospitals. And this time I'm joined by Dr. Warburton, who is our Statewide Medical Director. So the Department of State Hospitals manages the California State Hospital System and a continuum of treatment programs and... Oops, let me get to the right. I was like, that sounded really familiar.

  • Stephanie Clendenin

    Person

    Let me start that one over again. The Enhanced Treatment Program. The Enhanced Treatment Program Pilot was established by AB 1340 to serve DSH patients who are at the highest risk for severe physical violence and cannot be treated in a standard treatment environment.

  • Stephanie Clendenin

    Person

    The ETP model provides specialized treatment and includes enhanced staffing for clinical, nursing, and hospital police officer positions, as well as increased physical plant security to protect patients and staff from harm. The treatment provided in the ETP is intended to return patients to a standard treatment environment with clinical improvements that prevent future acts of aggression.

  • Stephanie Clendenin

    Person

    The first ETP pilot, a 13 bed unit at DSH at Atascadero, activated in September of 2021 and the Department anticipates completion of the second ETP unit as 10 bed unit at DSH Patton in spring or summer of this year. The Health and Safety Code, section 1265.9 includes a timeframe for the authorization of each pilot unit to remain in effect, which was until January 1st of the fifth calendar year after each pilot site has admitted its first patient.

  • Stephanie Clendenin

    Person

    The proposed ETP trailer bill language requests to extend the time frame through to January 1, 2030 for all ETP units. This will allow the Department sufficient time to implement the ETP unit at DSH Patton and to provide a thorough analysis of the outcomes across the ETP sites for both patients and team members. And I'm going to hand it over to Dr. Warburton to address the other questions on the agenda.

  • Kate Warburton

    Person

    Good morning, Chair and Committee. Kate Warburton, Statewide Medical Director for State Hospitals. In terms of the level of demand for ETP beds, since our activation we've received 69 referrals for 63 unique patients, 30 of which have received treatment in the ETP. Some of these referrals were either withdrawn or determined to be inappropriate.

  • Kate Warburton

    Person

    If a patient is referred, appropriate, and a bed is unavailable, our Forensic Needs Assessment team and panel provide the referring team with additional treatment recommendations to be implemented in the standard treatment environment. In terms of what we have learned from the implementation of the ETP, as of the 2025-26 Governor's Budget ETP Legislative Report, we can provide the following information. The ETP was conceived of as an environment to manage aggression with units designed and constructed with environmental controls to allow for management of aggression using least restrictive practices.

  • Kate Warburton

    Person

    The foremost goals of the ETP are to reduce episodes of aggression and associated injury severity as well as to reduce the use of mechanical restraints. Our preliminary data indicate that this model is working. Patients engage in significantly less aggression towards others after being admitted to the ETP compared to when they received care in our standard treatment environments.

  • Kate Warburton

    Person

    Since the activation of the ETP In September of 2021, our data shows that, following ETP admission, the rates of aggressive incidents towards staff decreased by 71% while aggressive acts towards other patients decreased by 94%. Serious injuries to staff decreased by 68% and serious injuries to patients due to aggression by peers were altogether eliminated.

  • Kate Warburton

    Person

    Another thing that we have learned is while the ETP is successful in managing behaviors of aggression towards others, we have seen some patients who have self injurious behavior see increases in these behaviors in the ETP. In reviewing restraint use data in the ETP, it was identified that a significant portion of restraint use was due to these increasing self harm behaviors. As a result, the ETP referral process was adjusted to increase screening for self injurious behavior, and this has significantly reduced the utilization of restraints in the ETP.

  • Kate Warburton

    Person

    We do aim to further develop staff skills in treating patients who are at risk for self injurious behaviors, utilizing the unique features of the ETP environment to help these patients. We have also learned the importance of staffing continuity and alignment as an important factor in serving the patient population. It takes specialized training that DSH has implemented.

  • Kate Warburton

    Person

    Since DSH Atascadero is one site serving patients from all over the state, DSH has implemented all available statewide resources in terms of subject matter experts and leadership to assist with troubleshooting issues as they arise. In terms of outcomes upon discharge from the ETP and what happens when people return to a standard treatment environment, we have had 17 discharges from the ETP of 16 unique patients with only one patient returning to the ETP.

  • Kate Warburton

    Person

    That person was discharged before they completed treatment to accommodate an emergency referral and then they were re-referred back to the ETP. Overall, the discharge reasons across patients varied and included discharges for successful completion of treatment, discharges prior to completion of treatment to accommodate emergency referrals, discharges due to a patient's self injurious behavior as I described, discharges for people returning to jail for court proceedings, and we had one transfer to CDCR.

  • Kate Warburton

    Person

    We had a total of seven patients who were discharged following successful completion of the ETP program, and in the six months following their discharge, these patients maintained a 79% reduction in physical aggression and an 87% reduction in restraint utilization compared to the six months prior to the ETP admission.

  • Kate Warburton

    Person

    One of those seven, we're happy to report, was ultimately discharged to the community a few months after their ETP discharge. Not surprisingly, the patients who were discharged before treatment completion did not see those positive outcomes. Thank you.

  • Akilah Weber Pierson

    Legislator

    Thank you. Anything to add from the LAO?

  • Will Owens

    Person

    Nothing to add, but available for questions.

  • Akilah Weber Pierson

    Legislator

    Thank you. Anything to add from the Department of Finance?

  • Joseph Donaldson

    Person

    No additional comments. Thank you.

  • Caroline Menjivar

    Legislator

    Just quickly, just another example of the savings. Hoping we could be more conservative moving forward. Thanks.

  • Akilah Weber Pierson

    Legislator

    Thank you so much for your presentation. We will now move to the next department, Department of Health Care Access and Information. You may begin.

  • Elizabeth Landsberg

    Person

    Good morning, Madam Chair and Senator Menjivar. I'm Elizabeth Landsberg, the Director of HCAI, the Department of Health Care Access and Information. So I'll be providing the high level overview of HCAI's budget and our mission and programs. So HCAI's current year budget is 684 million and our proposed budget for budget year is 581 million.

  • Elizabeth Landsberg

    Person

    This reflects a reduction of 103 million. We are requesting position authority for 62 positions in this budget, which would bring us to 825 positions in the budget year. HCAI's mission is to expand equitable access to quality, affordable health care for all Californians through resilient facilities, actionable information, and the healthcare workforce that each community needs.

  • Elizabeth Landsberg

    Person

    The Department has five program areas that I'll go over, facilities, financing, workforce, data, and affordability. In terms of data, we have for decades collected a variety of healthcare data data sets and we disseminate information about California's health care infrastructure and publish valuable information about healthcare outcomes.

  • Elizabeth Landsberg

    Person

    We collect, analyze, and disseminate information about hospitals, skilled nursing facilities, clinics, and home health agencies, and we have in the last five years developed California's all payer claims database, which we call the HPD, the Healthcare Payments Data Program, and we have a budget change proposal about ongoing sustainable funding for the HPD.

  • Elizabeth Landsberg

    Person

    On the facility side, HCAI is the building department for hospitals and skilled nursing facilities, so we set the building standards and ensure seismic safety standards are complied with for hospitals. On the workforce side, we have a range of healthcare programs which seek to build a workforce that we have three main goals.

  • Elizabeth Landsberg

    Person

    One, a workforce that reflects California's linguistic and racial diversity, serves medically underserved areas, and serves Medi-Cal members. We support specifically primary care, behavioral healthcare, and oral health workforces, and we use a range of strategies from pipeline, supporting students, and supporting the education and training programs.

  • Elizabeth Landsberg

    Person

    We also support providers and fund programs to ensure Californians have access to reproductive health, including abortion services. On the finance side, we have our Cal-Mortgage program, which offers loan insurance to nonprofit and public health facilities. Our finance team also stood up the Distressed Hospital Loan Program a couple of years ago.

  • Elizabeth Landsberg

    Person

    And we have the Small and Rural Hospital Relief Program to assist small and rural and critical access hospitals with seismic safety compliance projects. And then last but not least, we have our affordability area with three main components, the Office of Health Care Affordability, which I'll cover in the next question, the CalRx program, and then the Hospital Fair Billing Program.

  • Elizabeth Landsberg

    Person

    With that, I'm happy to move to the second question if you'd like, Madam Chair, related to the Office of Health Care Affordability. So the Office of Health Care Affordability, or OHCA, as we called it, was created in 2022 to address rising healthcare costs, which today are a barrier to consumers not getting needed care.

  • Elizabeth Landsberg

    Person

    Every year in an annual survey, half of Californians report that they avoided getting needed health care due to high costs. In response to this long standing affordability crisis, in 2018, AB 3087 was introduced, which would have set rates providers and hospitals could charge. The industry opposed this bill and it was defeated. With rate setting rejected, an alternative approach was needed to address high health care prices.

  • Elizabeth Landsberg

    Person

    A group came together to develop an alternative, including representatives from health plans, providers, purchasers, labor, and consumer advocates, and they came up with this compromise approach, which we're implementing now, the Office of Health Care Affordability, the details of which were developed by stakeholders, the administration, and of course the Legislature.

  • Elizabeth Landsberg

    Person

    So we have three primary goals with OHCA, to slow healthcare spending growth, to promote a high value healthcare system, and to assess market consolidation because we know market consolidation is a significant driver of healthcare costs. So we are collecting, analyzing, and will start publicly reporting data on total healthcare expenditures.

  • Elizabeth Landsberg

    Person

    And then our office is charged with enforcing spending targets that are set by the Health Care Affordability Board, an appointed board. In April of last year, the Affordability Board adopted the state's first spending targets with it's a five year target starting at 3.5% in 2025 and progressively decreasing to 3% in 2029.

  • Elizabeth Landsberg

    Person

    This statewide spending target is based on the average annual rate of change in the median household income growth, signaling that healthcare spending should not grow faster than the income of Californians. So we looked at a number of economic indicators, and because the key charge of the office is to address consumer affordability, that number was decided upon.

  • Elizabeth Landsberg

    Person

    The spending target applies to the rate of spending growth by healthcare entities. It's very much an all in approach. It applies to health plans, to providers, as well as to physician organizations and hospitals. I do want to note the target is a modest approach. Today consumers can't afford care.

  • Elizabeth Landsberg

    Person

    This is not going to bring people's premiums down tomorrow. It's actually setting, it's limiting the rate of growth. So in many ways that's a modest approach. Just to say what we've seen over time is health care costs growing at twice the rate of inflation and wages. And this is, we need to moderate that.

  • Elizabeth Landsberg

    Person

    We've had consumers say we're living on a budget and the premiums are really cutting into that. Next, I wanted to talk about hospital spending targets. So in addition to the statewide target called for by the statute that created OHCA, the board has the authority to set different targets on different sectors.

  • Elizabeth Landsberg

    Person

    So that could be by geography or types of health care entity. Following a public meeting in August of 2024 on health care costs in California and the Monterey region in particular, the Affordability Board urged the office to provide options to address high cost hospitals through sector targets.

  • Elizabeth Landsberg

    Person

    In January 2024, the board voted to create a hospital sector, which enables the board to set a lower target for high cost hospitals. Again, this is done in recognition of the fact that hospital costs are 40% or more of total health care costs and there is huge variability in terms of the prices being charged by hospitals.

  • Elizabeth Landsberg

    Person

    So in February of this year, we as the office outlined a recommendation to both identify high cost hospital that merit a lower spending target and for setting spending target values for these hospitals. The methodology recommended identifying high cost hospitals as those that are above the 85th percentile for three out of five years from 2018 to 2022 on two different measures, a per unit measure and a relative measure, which compares commercial prices and Medicare prices.

  • Elizabeth Landsberg

    Person

    So we again had dialogue over eight months about whether certain hospitals should be excluded, what the measure should be, and settled upon these two different measures. The initial proposal yielded 11 hospitals. Compared to the other hospitals, the 11 hospitals are twice the statewide average on commercial unit price and relative commercial to Medicare price.

  • Elizabeth Landsberg

    Person

    So you have hospitals in the state that are charging 400, 500, 600, 700% of Medicare. So the average hospitals without the high cost hospitals, it's about 200% of Medicare. These 11 hospitals are charging on average 400% of Medicare. Similarly, on the unit price, we see that the hospitals, the high cost hospitals are charging twice of what the average California hospitals are charging. So the proposed adjusted target divides the statewide target by the cost relativity of high cost hospitals.

  • Elizabeth Landsberg

    Person

    Basically because those hospitals are charging twice what other hospitals are, the proposed approach was to have the spending target be half of the spending target for all hospitals and all other healthcare entities. OHCA met with representatives of each of the 11 hospitals as well as others to discuss the methodology and their financial information.

  • Elizabeth Landsberg

    Person

    After deliberation, the board modified OHCA's proposal and the action was taken on a final list of seven high cost hospitals. So some hospitals were taken off of the list both because of discharge and because their prices were improving over time. And on April 22nd, last week, the board voted 5 to 0 unanimously to establish a separate 1.8 spending growth target in 2026, lowering to 1.6 in 2029 for these seven high cost hospitals.

  • Elizabeth Landsberg

    Person

    The board's unanimous vote was in response to two years of public testimony about high cost hospital costs and eight months of public discussion regarding the definition of a hospital sector and the development of a methodology and target values for high cost hospitals.

  • Elizabeth Landsberg

    Person

    Other noteworthy accomplishments of the office to date we started a year ago reviewing proposed mergers and acquisitions of healthcare entities in California. So we have a year worth of experience there. On the high value performance side, we have set a target to increase the spend of primary care. Knowing that we do that investing in primary care improves health outcomes, improves health equity, and brings down the cost of care. We also have targets around alternative payment models.

  • Elizabeth Landsberg

    Person

    Equity and quality measures have been adopted by the office, and that's very important to us that we are measuring equity and quality measures at the same time that we're measuring healthcare costs so as to not negatively impact equity or quality. We're now... And all of this has been done with a lot of stakeholder engagement.

  • Elizabeth Landsberg

    Person

    In addition to the board, which has open public meetings every month, we have an advisory committee with representatives of all of the stakeholders and a number of work groups, which are critical to us as we move forward. So those are some of the accomplishments and milestones of the office. With that, are there questions or should I move on to CalRx?

  • Akilah Weber Pierson

    Legislator

    Go ahead and move on, and we'll ask all the questions at the end.

  • Elizabeth Landsberg

    Person

    Okay, thank you very much. So in terms of the CalRx program, I'm pleased to share an update regarding the progress on biosimilar insulin and naloxone, which was asked for in the agenda. Regarding insulin, our partner, Civica Rx has achieved several milestones in developing an affordable biosimilar insulin glargine product. One of three products that are under development.

  • Elizabeth Landsberg

    Person

    So for the glargine, they've passed initial facility inspections by regulatory authorities. They've started manufacturing vials and pens at a new U.S. facility for upcoming clinical trials. We've been there, it's in Petersburg, Virginia. And they've been conducting product quality and stability tests.

  • Elizabeth Landsberg

    Person

    Civica is also coordinating with the pharmaceutical supply chain to plan for CalRx insulin distribution among FDA approval. And of course, having that distribution plan is very important as we've seen other biosimilar insulin products that have not succeeded. This week we had our first CalRx Insulin Patient Advisory Council.

  • Elizabeth Landsberg

    Person

    It was very helpful in terms of gathering patient feedback to refine our strategies for distribution. And so it was very helpful. Most of the folks have type 1 diabetes, some are doctors, some are pharmacists, and they shared their personal experiences of how broken this market is and are helping guide us in our implementation approach.

  • Elizabeth Landsberg

    Person

    On naloxone, the CalRx Naloxone Access Initiative has made significant strides in improving access to affordable naloxone and has already saved the state 17 million since its launch a year ago in May of 2024 as the primary supplier of the Department of Health Care Services Naloxone Distribution Project. That NDP project distributes naloxone free of charge to qualifying organizations, such as community organizations and first responders.

  • Elizabeth Landsberg

    Person

    Through an open RFI process, HCAI contracted with Amneal Pharmaceuticals in February of last year to manufacture a CalRx branded generic over the counter naloxone product at $24 for a twin pack, which is a 40% savings compared to the previously contracted rate. Last week, Governor Newsom announced that individual twin packs of CalRx branded naloxone are now available.

  • Elizabeth Landsberg

    Person

    You can get them direct to consumer. So again, at $24, which is almost half the standard market price. Previously only offered to government entities and businesses in packs of 24, this new direct to consumer program expands individual access to this life saving overdose reversal medication. And in our first week last week with direct to consumer, we received nearly 500 orders. So that was the update that I wanted to give on CalRx, Madam Chair.

  • Akilah Weber Pierson

    Legislator

    Thank you. Any comments from LAO?

  • Jason Constantouros

    Person

    Jason Constantouros, LAO. I did want to note that we did provide a brief implementation update on the CalRx program also in our January analysis. The Department touched on a lot of the key oversight questions that we raised. One additional question I wanted to note that we had raised is that there is $50 million General Fund for the Biosimilar Insulin Initiative for constructing a new manufacturing facility. As the Department indicated, manufacturing to date is planned at a Virginia facility.

  • Jason Constantouros

    Person

    And so these funds had been deferred and are sort of assumed for expenditure in this coming budget year, but it remains uncertain. At the time we wrote our analysis, it was uncertain what sort of the plan was for these funds. So that could be another sort of oversight issue to dig into a little bit for the Committee. Thank you.

  • Akilah Weber Pierson

    Legislator

    Thank you. Any comments from Department of Finance?

  • Albert Pineda

    Person

    Albert Pineda, Department of Finance. Nothing further to add.

  • Akilah Weber Pierson

    Legislator

    Senator Menjivar.

  • Caroline Menjivar

    Legislator

    Thank you so much. Director Landsberg, I'll start off with a question on hospital. We've put a lot of money into distressed hospitals, small hospitals, rural hospitals, help with seismic and so forth. Do we have, or maybe this is the Department of Finance question. Do we have any pots left over that have been allocated to help our hospitals?

  • Elizabeth Landsberg

    Person

    The Distressed Hospital Loan Program had an initial $300 million, and that has all been awarded to hospitals.

  • Caroline Menjivar

    Legislator

    Great. Any other pot still existing for hospitals?

  • Elizabeth Landsberg

    Person

    Well, the Small and Rural Hospital Relief Program, again, is available to small, rural critical access hospitals. So 10% of the E vape tax, the E cigarette tax comes into that. And then the Legislature allocated $50 million from the previous MCO tax. So we have some funds and a small ongoing source. And we're really...

  • Elizabeth Landsberg

    Person

    That program is ramping up with the passage and signage of AB 869 last year, which give small rural and critical access hospitals a little bit more time to comply. If they come forward with an individualized compliance plan, they can have up to three years more time. And so we're really anxious to work with each of those hospitals and help them succeed in developing a plan.

  • Caroline Menjivar

    Legislator

    Surprise. Usually when we have a pot of money, it goes away really fast. So just wanted to check in on. We still have some money for some rural hospitals. They just need to come forward with...

  • Elizabeth Landsberg

    Person

    Correct. We had a webinar a couple months ago. We had a couple hundred people on. We're seeing an increase in interest in the program.

  • Caroline Menjivar

    Legislator

    Great. Let's switch over directed to the target. What do you call it? It's the spending target for hospitals at 1.8. Great explanation on how we landed, two years of work, eight months public comment. I know other states have a higher spending target. Ours is lower because of our COLA in California. Is that what I understood?

  • Elizabeth Landsberg

    Person

    There are nine. We join nine other states in having a cost target program and each state went through its own process. So some states have a lower target than 3 and some are higher. 1.8 is, I assume it's correct. Deputy Director Pegany, that 1.8 is the lowest in this country. So for those high cost hospitals. But the 3.5% is not out of line with what other states are doing.

  • Caroline Menjivar

    Legislator

    What's the 3.5?

  • Elizabeth Landsberg

    Person

    So 3.5 is the statewide target that applies to all hospitals today, all health plans, and all facilities.

  • Caroline Menjivar

    Legislator

    For the 11 high, but we're only looking at 7 because 4 got a pass. In incorporating and finding that and getting to the 1.8, did we account for we've made some recent changes. The SB 525 healthcare minimum wage, seismic compliance that is creeping up on us. Was that incorporated into reaching the 1.8?

  • Elizabeth Landsberg

    Person

    I think the orientation of the office is very much to look at really the high cost hospitals and to measure it. So there's certainly been discussion. Hospitals have come to the table and said, you know, we still have seismic. You know, you're well aware those are requirements that have been in place for 30 plus years. But understand hospitals still have to have to plan for those. So certainly that was part of the discussion is the myriad of requirements on hospitals.

  • Caroline Menjivar

    Legislator

    Outside of the seismic, because you're right, it has been for a long time. SB 525 is more recent. Was that taken into consideration?

  • Elizabeth Landsberg

    Person

    Again, we certainly, over the couple of years since the board has been meeting, we certainly have heard the hospitals talk about implementing that. We did not do a particular calculation about the impact of SB 525.

  • Caroline Menjivar

    Legislator

    And Director, you mentioned, and thank you for making it clear, that these changes aren't going to lower premiums tomorrow. Do we have, do we anticipate when consumers are going to start seeing savings? Next year, two years out?

  • Elizabeth Landsberg

    Person

    We don't have an exact timeline for when premiums will come down. So the spending targets, again, are slowing the rate of growth of health care spending, which is related to but not the same, of course, as the premiums that consumers and employers are paying. So we should absolutely see over time an impact. You know, there's a medical loss ratio, right. So 85% of healthcare premiums has to go toward healthcare costs over time. But we don't have an exact calculation as to what day that will happen.

  • Caroline Menjivar

    Legislator

    And I apologize, I'm not very well versed in this. Is there something that exists that allows a report back to the Legislature to see if how we're targeting or how the targets are impacting consumers, are they benefiting, and when is the first report back?

  • Elizabeth Landsberg

    Person

    Absolutely. So our first report will come out a month from today. So we're required under the law to have our first baseline report. So it's not related directly to the targets, but we did last year collect the first two years of data. So we have data on 2022-2023, which gives us baseline data.

  • Elizabeth Landsberg

    Person

    And then this year, 2025 is the first year that we have a target in place. It's an unenforceable target. So we'll be collecting the year, the data from 2025 and 2026. And yes, we'll have an annual report to the Legislature, including the impact to a variety of measures of consumer affordability.

  • Caroline Menjivar

    Legislator

    The 1.8 starts in 2026. Are we going to get a report on that moving forward after that?

  • Elizabeth Landsberg

    Person

    Yes.

  • Caroline Menjivar

    Legislator

    Okay. And it's a report because we're actually tracking the benefits, right, to see if successfully decreasing. Or what is it tracking? What will it track?

  • Elizabeth Landsberg

    Person

    So for each of the entities subject to the spending growth target, there's a slightly different way of measuring the costs, measuring their spending. So we're collecting today total healthcare expenditure data for the health plans. So health plan A spent this amount this year.

  • Elizabeth Landsberg

    Person

    We're seeing how it grows, and we're making sure they don't exceed the spending growth target. We have developed a methodology for measuring hospital inpatient spend and are close to an outpatient spend. So there's a different way to measure hospital spending than health plan or physician organization spending. But for every entity, for each of those types of entities, we will be measuring their success in meeting the spending growth target.

  • Caroline Menjivar

    Legislator

    I hear you on meeting the spending growth. And we're going to track information on the percentage that they spend on X, Y, and Z. How does that then trickle down to data to show? The whole point of OHCA is to reduce the cost for consumers in Californians. How do we then track that information? That we can come say to hey, constituents, this is, we did this and we got this.

  • Elizabeth Landsberg

    Person

    So the reports will also include data about deductibles, about premiums. It will be hard to say, you know, this premium increase is related to this spending growth target, but overall. And we also, as I mentioned, have a subset of, we have a set of equity and quality measures that we'll be measuring over time. Some of those relate specifically to hospitals, and some are at the health plan and physician organization level.

  • Caroline Menjivar

    Legislator

    Madam Chair, if LAO, I don't know if you had anything to add to any of the questions that I asked.

  • Jason Constantouros

    Person

    No, I think you raised a lot of the key sort of oversight questions. This is kind of a program that's still kind of up and running. And so, you know, it's a little early to say at this point what the sort of impact will be.

  • Jason Constantouros

    Person

    I think some of the information as it comes available over time will be really critical to help the sort of legislature assess the impact of OHCA. And we're also available to work with your office if you have any other questions or issues you'd like to work through.

  • Caroline Menjivar

    Legislator

    Okay, thank you so much. Appreciate it. Thank you.

  • Shannon Grove

    Legislator

    Sorry. Thank you. Thank you. Madam Chair. Sorry. I'm trying to balance. I'm not being disrespectful. I'm trying to balance other things that are going on. I do apologize. You guys have a 30 million dollar budget allocated, correct? From the general fund?

  • Elizabeth Landsberg

    Person

    From the office of Health Care Affordability? I'm going to phone a friend. Elio says yes. It's about that amount.

  • Shannon Grove

    Legislator

    Roughly $30 million. To help reduce cost of hospitals.

  • Elizabeth Landsberg

    Person

    Not just hospitals, ma'am. Health plans. Yeah. All the entities in the health care system. Yes, ma'am.

  • Shannon Grove

    Legislator

    So I have a couple of questions, but I make a statement. It's hard for me to understand from a business perspective that this body passes out policies which you're subject to.

  • Shannon Grove

    Legislator

    And I get that's not your, that's not your issue that increase cost for all of our providers, hospitals, medical providers, doctors, everybody has a higher cost policies that come out of this building.

  • Shannon Grove

    Legislator

    Specifically in the hospital situation where I'm at, in rural hospital areas where, and my Senator Caballero is where hospitals have, are closing, are going to stand by emergency rooms or all of those things because of the providers, we can't afford to keep them there.

  • Shannon Grove

    Legislator

    The cost and then the new systems that go in. Seismic, they're worried about this. Like we have our CST's that have like people that have to, you know, staff and to make sure that people walk through a metal detector before they go into the hospitals.

  • Shannon Grove

    Legislator

    All that increased cost, the Medi-Cal reimbursement rates are the hugest issue that we face.

  • Shannon Grove

    Legislator

    Anybody who serves Medi-Cal patients, and I have a lot of them in my district, I have one hospital is a 90:10 ratio, 90% Medi-Cal 10% plus plan oriented or private pay or commercial pay, I guess I should say. That's a pathway to bankruptcy.

  • Shannon Grove

    Legislator

    You know, when you treat somebody and it costs $200, you get 50, 60 cents on the dollar. It's a pathway to bankruptcy. So I guess my question is that the LAO currently is projecting a 5.1% inflation rate for California. That's not my projection. That's LAO's projection.

  • Shannon Grove

    Legislator

    How do you reconcile a 5.1 inflation rate which will affect everybody, including hospitals, providers, doctors and patients, with a 3% overall cost target for hospitals?

  • Elizabeth Landsberg

    Person

    So it's 3.5% currently, Senator Grove. And yes, we did have discussion about the impact of inflation and certainly it's a consideration. So again, the office didn't vote on the target. The office put forward a recommendation and this appointed board did vote on it. So there was consideration about inflation.

  • Elizabeth Landsberg

    Person

    And really it comes down to having these high cost hospitals are so much higher than other hospitals. It was believed that there were savings to be had. I think there is a lot of evidence about ways that the industry can improve their efficiency. So we're not here to tell an individual entity how to meet the target.

  • Elizabeth Landsberg

    Person

    There are a lot of ways, different ways to do that through contracting. It's actually been an interesting vantage point for me to both be administering the distressed hospital loan program and see the hospitals, you know, that are in the most financial distress.

  • Elizabeth Landsberg

    Person

    And then as we through OHCA did the analysis and see that there are these hospitals that have such high cost outliers.

  • Elizabeth Landsberg

    Person

    And we have heard from teachers and carpenters and hotel workers and superintendents spent the day, took the day off to come to Monterey at the OHCA board meeting to tell us how their teachers are driving an hour to give birth because they can't go to the local hospital.

  • Elizabeth Landsberg

    Person

    And we've heard from those teachers saying, I have a family budget that I can't exceed. And we are asking industry to do better. We've at our meetings had a variety of examples of high successes in cost reducing strategies. So there are a wide range of ways to do it.

  • Elizabeth Landsberg

    Person

    We're not dictating how to do it, but the board did feel that it was important to set that 3.5 coming down to 3% target. We will have the ability.

  • Elizabeth Landsberg

    Person

    I do want to say we're starting a conversation with the board in the fall about what the back end look will be to evaluate, you know, if these tariffs have a huge impact. If inflation goes up, there'll be an ability to adjust the targets for reasonable considerations.

  • Shannon Grove

    Legislator

    Thank you. I, gosh, I've been here since 2010. I'm part of the old group. And things that come off the dais are things that people say, health care for all, 100% clean air. But those things just don't seem attainable when you're on the ground and you're operating a facility or being a doctor, a provider, or a hospital.

  • Shannon Grove

    Legislator

    And the reason why I say that is because each hospital is different. When we were discussing the financially distressed hospital issues, I had one of my colleagues say, just get billion dollar donor and put their name on the building. I don't have billion dollar donor. I don't have a hospital foundation that can do that.

  • Shannon Grove

    Legislator

    But I do have constituents, primarily undocumented farm workers in the Central Valley because that's where they work in the largest three farm producing counties in the world that are having a problem accessing health care.

  • Shannon Grove

    Legislator

    And when you take a hospital who gets 90% reimbursement for Medi-Cal rates and 10% reimbursement on plans, they naturally have to negotiate a higher rate with the commercial market to try to offset the losses under the Medi-Cal reimbursement rate. Now, we had Proposition 25. Voters overwhelmingly passed it because they are all struggling with.

  • Shannon Grove

    Legislator

    I mean, they see us going into Canada, you know, government run health care, a lot of them do. And I think that's why they showed up for Proposition 25. But we also missed the deadline for increased rates from the federal government, which will hurt us in the long run. Us meaning our constituents that we serve.

  • Shannon Grove

    Legislator

    And that bothers me too. But I just. When I look at the Central Valley Hospital doctors in Modesto, Madera is already closed, which impacted Fresno, which has impacted Cahuilla in Tulare, I just see a ripple effect.

  • Shannon Grove

    Legislator

    And to say that these hospitals, with all the bills that are going through this building, again, not your issue, but the bills going through the building to create greater cost for these providers, whether it's, you know, paying a higher wage for the receptionist and the janitor that folds in, whatever it is.

  • Shannon Grove

    Legislator

    There's tons of legislation that's gone through this building. I don't see how you can cap a cost and not hurt the providers that will eventually hurt the people seeking that medical care. Why would. Our chair is obgyn. I mean, she has a big heart and she's serving in the legislature.

  • Shannon Grove

    Legislator

    But if she was out in the medical world, I guess why would. Other than, you know, the things that keep you here is passion in your family. Why would she work in California with a capped rate? She'll never be able to make any more money no matter what she does in her obgyn practice.

  • Shannon Grove

    Legislator

    And she could go to any other state neighboring us and put a shingle out. And I don't know how you keep doctors here, specifically in the Central Valley. People want to live in the beach area. They want to live.

  • Shannon Grove

    Legislator

    I mean, they want to live in San Francisco and they want to live in places very few want to live in Ridgecrest. But that has. That hospital has it going down has a negative impact on our domestic security because we have the largest. You have two veterans sitting on this committee.

  • Shannon Grove

    Legislator

    Largest research and development arm of the United States military is right there. And we have to attract good talent that are just brainiacs that just think shit up to protect our warp fighter. A lot of us don't have that ability, but they just imagine things and make it happen.

  • Shannon Grove

    Legislator

    So I guess my big issue is that capping what I see you doing, especially under the inflation rate, is just going to devastate hospitals like in the Modesto, Central Valley area. And I can't say rural, because rural is 5,000 people. It's just an isolated community.

  • Shannon Grove

    Legislator

    It's a larger town, but it's completely isolated by miles and miles and miles of mountains and miles and miles and miles of canyons that you have to drive through to get there. I had somebody tell me it's only 41 miles, but you can only go 30 miles an hour on that road. It's so windy and treacherous.

  • Shannon Grove

    Legislator

    So how do you expect access not to be affected for the entire region if you hold hospitals like this to a 1.8% limit of cost?

  • Elizabeth Landsberg

    Person

    Access is impacted today. And so that's why the office was created today. Half of Californians and two thirds of low income Californians and more in communities of color don't have access. And so we do believe that there are a range of ways for hospitals to. Again, this is not a price cap. This is limiting the spending growth.

  • Elizabeth Landsberg

    Person

    The hospitals. One of our board members asked us to analyze if these high cost hospitals were just subject to the 3%, how long would it take them to come in line with the rest of California? And that would take 20 years of people having to drive far to get their care and the like.

  • Elizabeth Landsberg

    Person

    So there are very significant access problems today. And that is what led the board to adopt these targets.

  • Shannon Grove

    Legislator

    So on the 3% cap, does that include seismic? So you're going to exclude them from spending money on seismic?

  • Elizabeth Landsberg

    Person

    There are no costs that are exempt per se. There is a process. If there's an entity that exceeds the targets, we'll look at the data together. We will have them explain. If they say.

  • Elizabeth Landsberg

    Person

    And this is the conversation we're going to have this fall about developing a list of reasonable factors to be to that would allow someone to exceed the target. And I certainly think there's a strong argument to be made that seismic should be included.

  • Shannon Grove

    Legislator

    What about capital investment, like a new children's hospital within a hospital? Because before we did capital investment in Bakersfield, our kids with cancer, we have a six bed, six bed pediatric intensive care unit. Now, we never had that before. Our kids used to have to go north or south to Los Angeles and now we got six beds.

  • Shannon Grove

    Legislator

    But that was a significant capital improvement. So what about capital improvements?

  • Elizabeth Landsberg

    Person

    That's the discussion for the board to have. What factors should be factored in, again, that's reasonable to exceed the spending target.

  • Shannon Grove

    Legislator

    And when does all this conversation take place? So how do hospitals or providers, whoever's on the list, how do they plan for their future and stop building what they're building or stop providing what they're providing until you guys make a decision to see if they're going to be exempt from it?

  • Elizabeth Landsberg

    Person

    That process will be happening in the next few months at public meetings. We have a lot of hospital engagement.

  • Shannon Grove

    Legislator

    And when is this 1.8% going to take effect?

  • Elizabeth Landsberg

    Person

    2026.

  • Elizabeth Landsberg

    Person

    Thank you.

  • Shannon Grove

    Legislator

    Thank you.

  • Akilah Weber Pierson

    Legislator

    Well, I want to thank you so much for your presentation. I want to thank my colleagues for their questions and, and with respect for time because we are running over quite long. I won't ask the questions that I had around ocha, but I will make a statement.

  • Akilah Weber Pierson

    Legislator

    I am very concerned that the purpose of OHCA will not be met by the actual consumers, that is the patients and the providers, and that the ultimate goal of OHCA, which is to reduce the cost of health care for individuals, will not be met.

  • Akilah Weber Pierson

    Legislator

    And it's interesting because if the goal was to slow the rate of healthcare spending, but there was no implementation about taking in cost of SB 525, seismic inflation, like none of that was taken into consideration with these targets, whether it's for the high cost hospitals or every other hospital, then I don't know.

  • Akilah Weber Pierson

    Legislator

    I think they're living in a fantasy world. So if they've got a, if they've got this spending limit, but they have to put this money out for these things that have been mandated, then at the end of the day, something has to give.

  • Akilah Weber Pierson

    Legislator

    So either they won't make it and will be penalized, or they have to cut services. And either way the people who will pay are the patients.

  • Akilah Weber Pierson

    Legislator

    You know, and I'm also just flabbergasted that we don't have a very clear way of measuring whether or not individuals in our data and our reporting whether or not they're actually seeing a reduced in the amount that they are having to pay. And I also want to bring up the fact we talk about access.

  • Akilah Weber Pierson

    Legislator

    Access is an issue. We have an issue with access in this state, but it is already being negatively impacted by these targets. In San Diego, we had an insurance company use these targets as a reason to not continue to contract with the hospital.

  • Akilah Weber Pierson

    Legislator

    And so, you know, thousands of San Diegans were then trying to scramble to figure out where they could get their health care coverage because the insurance companies said, oh, OHCA is at 3.5, that's what we're basing our current contracts on. And so, you know, I will be watching this very carefully.

  • Akilah Weber Pierson

    Legislator

    I've already sent a letter with my concerns yesterday. And, you know, I'm really, really concerned about whether or not we're going to ultimately end up decreasing the cost of health care for California residents. But with that, I want to thank you for your for your presentation today.

  • Akilah Weber Pierson

    Legislator

    We are going to move to the next issue and I am going to ask for future presentations to try to limit your presentations to allow for questions and for us to be able to hear public comment at the end.

  • Elizabeth Landsberg

    Person

    Thank you and Madam Chair, we did receive your letter and we'll work on a response of of course. Thank you.

  • Akilah Weber Pierson

    Legislator

    Issue two is AB 1112 implementation.

  • Scott Christman

    Person

    Good morning, Madam Chair and Members. I'm Scott Christman, Chief Deputy Director, HCAI. Happy to present the proposal.

  • Scott Christman

    Person

    HCAI requests position authority only for three positions to implement portions of AB 112 passed in 2023, which requires hospitals to report balance sheet information to HCAI and authorize the department to make changes to our existing HCAI Quarterly Hospital Financial and Utilization Report to include that new balance sheet data.

  • Scott Christman

    Person

    The Budget Act 2023 that established the Distressed Hospital Loan Program did not establish physician authority needed to administer the new data reporting requirements specific to this proposal. The positions are necessary to implement those provisions for data collection which resulted in new workload in 2024. Continues ongoing to support the quarterly hospital financial data collection.

  • Scott Christman

    Person

    Glad to take any questions on this.

  • Akilah Weber Pierson

    Legislator

    Thank you so much. Any comments from LAO? Department of Finance? I see no questions from my colleague. Thank you so much. We will move to issue number three, enterprise risk management, cybersecurity, Patient privacy and governance.

  • Scott Christman

    Person

    Thank you, Chair. I'll also present that. HCAI requests $209,000 ongoing for one position to meet increased workload demands resulting from new state and federal cybersecurity, patient privacy and related data laws and policies affecting the Department. HCAI has a unique role as a health data organization. Mandated by statute to collect, analyze and safeguard patient records.

  • Scott Christman

    Person

    In addition to other sensitive information systems, the department needs resource to develop, deliver and maintain an enterprise wide role based privacy training for all information assets classified as personal information. Given our statutory obligations, it's critical for HCAI to maintain appropriate staffing in support of these important functions.

  • Scott Christman

    Person

    Adding this one resource to our risk management team is a necessary first step. Glad to take any questions on the proposal.

  • Akilah Weber Pierson

    Legislator

    Thank you. Any comments from LAO? Department of Finance? We will now move. Thank you for that presentation. We will now move to issue four, relocation rent adjustments.

  • Scott Christman

    Person

    Thank you, Madam Chair. HCAI requests 1.1 million in ongoing budget authority plus an additional one time increase of 1.3 million for fiscal year 25-26 to move its Sacramento headquarters in July of this year from a private leased space to state owned office buildings, specifically at the May Lee State Office Complex.

  • Scott Christman

    Person

    I would note for the committee, the proposal was submitted before the Governor's executive order returning most staff to the office four days per week. With that, the administration is currently evaluating space in this context of compliance with the new executive order.

  • Scott Christman

    Person

    So at this time we're working with Department of General Services, Department of Finance to determine the best course for the department. The administration will look to provide an update to you with the may revision. Any questions on proposal?

  • Akilah Weber Pierson

    Legislator

    Thank you. LAO? Department of Finance? Senator Menjivar.

  • Caroline Menjivar

    Legislator

    Just want to make got to get this clear. So the department is asking for more money because the governor wants people to come back to work four times a week. So we need to pay for a bigger space. So this is costing us money.

  • Scott Christman

    Person

    This particular proposal, it was actually an increase in rent associated with the May Lee State Office complex. It was just sort of the way the cost structure differs in terms of square footage and space. So the reevaluation actually is to consider whether we do that move or stay.

  • Caroline Menjivar

    Legislator

    You need a bigger space if everyone comes back.

  • Scott Christman

    Person

    Yeah. And it actually may be. It may be reasonable to stay and then in case we would then withdraw this. But we're actually trying to figure that out now with DGS. So anything from Department of Finance?

  • Caroline Menjivar

    Legislator

    I hope this is withdrawn in May because Department of Finance, you're asking us to make hard decisions and to approve a BCP that is asking for more physical space. I think it is absurd. Absolutely absurd.

  • Akilah Weber Pierson

    Legislator

    Thank you. And so just for clarity, the space that you are proposing to move into is actually smaller than the current space that you're in.

  • Scott Christman

    Person

    It's roughly the same space. In either case, we're going to need to expand to accommodate all staff having dedicated workspace. So we were doing some hoteling based on the previous telework policy. So it's roughly the same. The cost is higher.

  • Akilah Weber Pierson

    Legislator

    But where you are right now, how long have you been there?

  • Scott Christman

    Person

    We've been there since 2017. No, 2016.

  • Akilah Weber Pierson

    Legislator

    So you were able to accommodate all of the workers in that currency prior to the telework order. So why would you need a bigger space or to change the configuration if it was able to accommodate for everybody?

  • Scott Christman

    Person

    Yeah, it's a great question, I think from Director Landsberg opening. We've experienced quite a bit of growth in the last four years to the tune of about 40%. So we had been roughly 550. And now with this budget, we'll be at about 825 positions.

  • Scott Christman

    Person

    So it's based on that and we're really trying to figure out what is the most cost effective way to sort of comply with the executive order. Bring folks in. But yes, you know, we want to be sensitive to the budget.

  • Akilah Weber Pierson

    Legislator

    Okay, thank you so much for clarifying that. We will now move to issue number five, BH-Connect Workforce Initiative.

  • Libby Abbott

    Person

    Thank you and good morning. Libby Abbott, Deputy Director for Health Workforce Development. As requested. I'll provide an overview of the initiative. And if you would like, I know we're short on time. I can go into detail details of each of the programs.

  • Libby Abbott

    Person

    The BH-Connect Workforce Initiative will unlock up to $1.9 billion over five years to significantly expand the availability of the behavioral health workforce serving in Medi-Cal safety net settings along the continuum of care. And this is as a result of an 1115 waiver led by DHCS in partnership with CMS. So largely federal funding.

  • Libby Abbott

    Person

    The BH-Connect Workforce Initiative is comprised of five programs, the first of which will launch in July of this year. For each program we will run multiple cycles over the five year period. And we have until December 2029 to disburse funds.

  • Libby Abbott

    Person

    As requested, I can briefly describe each of the five programs, the eligible behavioral health professionals for each, the corresponding service obligations and the expected implementation dates. Should I move ahead with that? I know we're short on time.

  • Akilah Weber Pierson

    Legislator

    Why don't we allow for Senator Menjivar to ask her questions because it may be answered into me.

  • Caroline Menjivar

    Legislator

    I just have one question because overall I am over the moon excited about this. I mean we've been fighting against workforce investment cuts the past two years. So I am so excited about what's to come on this. So just one question on the non licensed, non prescribing practitioners or maybe this complies everything.

  • Caroline Menjivar

    Legislator

    How often are we going to be able to track the utilization of these loan repayments?

  • Libby Abbott

    Person

    So we for the loan repayment program specifically, which is one of the five programs, we'll be launching it in July of this year, we expect to run potentially four cycles and we'll do an annual analysis of uptake of all of our programs because we expect to run roughly annual cycles.

  • Libby Abbott

    Person

    So we will be looking kind of doing an annual review in partnership with DHCS to look at how the funds are being taken up. The nature of these programs, they're slightly different from what we've run in the past. So we're interested to see what demand looks like and what we can do to sort of accommodate.

  • Caroline Menjivar

    Legislator

    This one in particular was like, you know, some are these certificate driven? So I was like, is there a great need for that much loan repayment? For certificate driven?

  • Libby Abbott

    Person

    It's a great question. And if I was to guess, I would say most of the uptake of the loan repayment program will be for our licensed professionals, prescribing and non prescribing. But we didn't want to exclude folks who have eligible educational debt. So it's open. We left the door open on that.

  • Caroline Menjivar

    Legislator

    And we're able to move that around if the need isn't as great there.

  • Libby Abbott

    Person

    That's correct. We do have the ability to move funds after a designated period of time across programs.

  • Caroline Menjivar

    Legislator

    Great. Thank you so much.

  • Akilah Weber Pierson

    Legislator

    Thank you. Any comments from LAO? Department of Finance? Okay, thank you so much for your presentation. We will now move to issue number six, Health Care Payment Data Program Long Term Funding.

  • Scott Christman

    Person

    Thank you, Madam Chair. Scott Christman, HCAI. HCAI requests $22 million in ongoing annual funding and position authority for 47 positions to support the ongoing operations of the Healthcare Payments Data Program or HPD. AB 1810, back in 2018 allocated HCI $60,000,000 one time general fund to establish the HPD program. The HPD is California's all payers Claims database.

  • Scott Christman

    Person

    This is a research database made up of healthcare claims and encounter data submitted by healthcare payers. Healthcare claims data is often used in health services research and policy analysis. 20 other states have similar all payer claims databases. HCAI submitted the initial planning report in March of 2020 as required by AB 1810.

  • Scott Christman

    Person

    That same year, AB 80 subsequently provided HCI the necessary authority to build the database and begin collecting data from health care payers, including licensed commercial health plans and insurers, as well as DHCs for Medi-Cal data and CMS for Medicare. Since that time, HCI has met all of the statutory milestones for the program.

  • Scott Christman

    Person

    AB 80 required HCAI to consider long term funding sources for sustaining the HPD operations after the expiration of the one time 60 million general fund appropriation made in 2018. So in March of 2023, HCAI submitted a report to the legislature that provides recommendations for how to fund the ongoing operations.

  • Scott Christman

    Person

    The database and our budget request is consistent with the recommendations from that legislative report to the TBL listed for a portion of that funding. HCAI requests authority to transfer monies from the Department of Managed Healthcare Fines and Penalties Fund to the Healthcare Payments Data Fund.

  • Scott Christman

    Person

    In partnership with DMHC, we have submitted proposed trailer bill that would effectuate the transfer with a range of up to 1.5 million to be transferred for fiscal year 25-26 and then up to 6 million to be transferred for fiscal year 26-27 and ongoing.

  • Scott Christman

    Person

    The transfers are set up as a range to support the allocation of portions of the fines and penalties to various state programs and since the fines and penalties are variable, may change from year to year if approved.

  • Scott Christman

    Person

    HCAI will continue to implement operate the HPD program to fulfill mandates as required under AB 80, which include providing policymakers and state agencies such as the Department of Healthcare Services and HCI's own Office of Healthcare Affordability with critical data analysis necessary to achieve evidence based health policy and practice and improve transparency more broadly in the healthcare infrastructure.

  • Scott Christman

    Person

    Happy to take any questions at this time.

  • Akilah Weber Pierson

    Legislator

    Thank you. Any comments from LAO? Department of Finance? Not seeing any questions. Thank you so much. We will move to issue number seven. Diaper Access Initiative.

  • Emily Estus

    Person

    Hi, my name is Emily. I'm the chief of the Pharmaceutical Policy and Programs Branch over at HCAI. The Diaper Access Initiative aims to reduce financial stress on families by providing three months of free diapers to every newborn in California, regardless of income.

  • Emily Estus

    Person

    Diapers are a basic necessity, yet half of all families report struggling to afford them with prices rising 45% since the pandemic and averaging $1,000 per year per baby. Despite this, non medical diapers aren't covered by Medi-Cal, CalFresh or WIC.

  • Emily Estus

    Person

    The phase one pilot for this program will deliver 400 diapers per newborn starting with 25% of births in the state in year one and 50% of births in the state in year two, likely through voluntary participation of hospitals to distribute diapers at the time of birth.

  • Emily Estus

    Person

    The estimated cost to the State for phase one is 7.4 million in year one and 12.5 million in year two. The funding request for this is from general fund does not include hiring additional positions and I can speak to the questions that were asked as well. With regards to diaper bank networks.

  • Emily Estus

    Person

    After speaking with representatives from California's Diaper Banks Association, and it appears that diaper banks and other similar organizations may benefit from consolidated purchasing through the Diaper Access Initiative. We've invited diaper banks to respond to our RFI or request for information to get additional information about how diaper banks could be involved with distribution.

  • Emily Estus

    Person

    And then with regard to babies born in an alternative birthing center or at home, we are still considering options for this and developing options for it.

  • Emily Estus

    Person

    We're collecting more information through our RFI process, but we do think our program could also establish agreements with licensed birthing centers and midwives to distribute diapers to families through following home or center based births. We could also develop a mechanism for families to request and receive diapers through designated pickup locations or home delivery.

  • Akilah Weber Pierson

    Legislator

    Okay, thank you. Any comments from LAO?

  • Jason Constantouros

    Person

    Jason Constantouros, LAO we did raise some concerns with this proposal. And to keep it to the point, we really have three key messages on this proposal.

  • Jason Constantouros

    Person

    The first is a general message we have for any discretionary proposal you have this year, given your limited sort of state budget, is to just, you know, weigh diaper affordability against your many other budget priorities.

  • Jason Constantouros

    Person

    Our second message is that if this is a high priority for the legislature, this particular proposal approaches diaper affordability in ways that we think have some weaknesses. For example, the proposal is not well targeted. It provides a relatively small benefit for across all Californians.

  • Jason Constantouros

    Person

    Instead of targeting resources towards people with the highest financial need, it also pursues a new distribution model that has some uncertainties around it, and there are risks that could sort of undermine the proposal.

  • Jason Constantouros

    Person

    And then while this initiative appears to be intended to be ongoing, the the pro spending plan only has two years of funding and no plan for legislative oversight over those first two years. So we offered some alternatives that the legislature could pursue. For example, the Legislature could increase an existing subsidy in the CalWORKS program for diaper affordability.

  • Jason Constantouros

    Person

    That's about $30 a month at the moment. And increasing that that subsidy would better target resources towards people with thus our highest financial need. And also the money would go directly to beneficiaries. And so there'd be a high likelihood of success. The other approach we offered was to provide additional funding to diaper banks.

  • Jason Constantouros

    Person

    And this is something the legislature has done in the last few budgets, have provided limited term funding for diaper banks. This is already an existing distribution model. The administration has said they are exploring this right now. The original proposal was to pursue this through hospitals.

  • Jason Constantouros

    Person

    The administration says they're pursuing other distribution models, but the legislature has also just provided funding directly to the diaper banks. And that's, you know, so that's another option that's available.

  • Jason Constantouros

    Person

    And then our final key message is that if the legislature is interested in sort of longer term market interventions that HCAI is sort of pursuing, the legislature could still direct HCAI to pursue and get more information on some of these market interventions and then come back next year with a more detailed proposal. Thank you.

  • Akilah Weber Pierson

    Legislator

    Thank you, Department of Finance. Senator Menjivar.

  • Caroline Menjivar

    Legislator

    Thank you so much. Thank you for addressing some of the questions on involving our diaper banks or experts within. So thank you so much for that. And then still looking at how we're going to address when people give birth in their places. So those are my questions on that.

  • Caroline Menjivar

    Legislator

    I, I do have similar thoughts on what Jason from LAO shared, because I looked at this, I'm like, first when I saw this proposed, I was like, wow, this is like one of the only things we have in the budget that is addressing affordability in California. I hope it doesn't die, given what we're dealing with.

  • Caroline Menjivar

    Legislator

    I'm like, gosh, I think it's going to die in the May revision. Right. So before we do that, I'm wondering if we can just save in a different way. Can we cut it down to 2, 1 months? The income thing was a big thing for me.

  • Caroline Menjivar

    Legislator

    I was like, it shouldn't be offered to everybody, love everybody, but it should be income focused. But I know that could add an additional administrative barrier that might be even more expensive. Expensive than what we give out as diapers. The CalFresh idea, I think it's a really great idea.

  • Caroline Menjivar

    Legislator

    I had a bill two years ago and adding $10 more for menstrual products in CalFresh because that's already a system that includes individuals that we know are on an income base.

  • Caroline Menjivar

    Legislator

    So I would just ask before we scrape this program altogether that we approach different avenues that saves us because we're income specific is in a program that already exists so we don't have to bring a whole other project aboard or gives more money to diaper banks. But I think this is such a great way to address affordability.

  • Caroline Menjivar

    Legislator

    And well, the next thing I won't say because it's something the president would say. So never mind.

  • Akilah Weber Pierson

    Legislator

    Thank you so much for your presentation. I agree. I think this is a great idea.

  • Akilah Weber Pierson

    Legislator

    I'm not sure if everyone should be included in it, especially given our financial situation at this moment, putting it into something that already exists instead of having to start from the bottom up and costs that are incurred with that really seems to be the most reasonable at this time.

  • Akilah Weber Pierson

    Legislator

    So I would really encourage, as you all are really hashing out the details, to look at what we've said and what the LAO has recommended. But thank you so much. The next issue is wellness coaches issue number eight.

  • Elizabeth Landsberg

    Person

    Thank you, Madam Chair. Elizabeth Landsberg, HCAI. So we have proposed trailer bill language related to our certified wellness coaches. First, it just updates the statutory reference. We previously called them behavioral health coaches. Didn't really roll off the tongue for our youth. So this is a youth tested name to have them called wellness coaches.

  • Elizabeth Landsberg

    Person

    The language would revise activities that could be carried out by the coaches to align with their scope of training and practice, including removing crisis de escalation and safety planning and adding crisis referral. And then finally, the language specifies that in addition to the licensed behavioral health staff, credentialed school staff may also supervise wellness coaches.

  • Elizabeth Landsberg

    Person

    This is language that was carefully discussed and negotiated with many stakeholders.

  • Akilah Weber Pierson

    Legislator

    Thank you. Anything from LAO? DOF? Not saying any questions. We will move to issue number nine, implementation of chapter legislation.

  • Elizabeth Landsberg

    Person

    And this is our last HCAI item with you, Madam Chair. We have AB 1577 that seeks to address the problem of insufficient numbers of clinical training slots for nurses in the California Community College or CSU system. So the legislation requires health facilities and clinics to meet with the community colleges and CSU nursing programs.

  • Elizabeth Landsberg

    Person

    If they can't provide clinic placements, they have to report that written justification to HCAI and we have to post those on our website. So this is a position to do that work. And then we have three bills related to facility regulations in California. So I mentioned this earlier.

  • Elizabeth Landsberg

    Person

    We have AB 869 that you all passed last year, which allows small rural and critical access hospitals to have up to three years additional time to comply with seismic safety standards if they come forward with a compliance plan with approved milestones. The same applies to Children's Hospital of Los Angeles.

  • Elizabeth Landsberg

    Person

    Both of those bills took the approach offered by the administration. So those bills were signed. Then there's a third bill related to building standards for clinics. And so these are the BCPS. This is one consolidated BCP for those three programs for our facilities staff to add 10 additional positions for them to do this work.

  • Akilah Weber Pierson

    Legislator

    Thank you so much. Any comments from LAO? Department of Finance? Not seeing any questions. Thank you so much. Thank you. To the next department, Department of Managed Healthcare. You may begin.

  • Mary Watanabe

    Person

    All right. Good morning. My name is Mary Watanabe. I'm the Director of the Department of Managed Healthcare. I have Dan Southard, our Chief Deputy Director with us. I will quickly run through our mission and budget. If you'd like, I can cover each of our offices or skip that and get to the BCPs.

  • Mary Watanabe

    Person

    Okay the department's mission is to protect consumers health care rights and ensure a stable health care delivery system. We license and regulate 140 health plans that provide healthcare coverage to approximately 30 million Californians. We regulate more than 96% of the commercial and government health plan enrollment in the state.

  • Mary Watanabe

    Person

    The DMHC's total proposed budget for 25-26 is 186 million and 800 authorized positions. And just a reminder, we are specially funded by annual assessments on health plans and receive no general fund. With that, I'll turn it over to Dan to get started on our BCPs.

  • Dan Southard

    Person

    Morning Madam Chair, members of the subcommitee. So the first one I'll talk about is the Identity and access management workload BCP. The DBC is currently maintaining 11,000 external user accounts across six different data sets for public facing web portals.

  • Dan Southard

    Person

    Currently, the authentication technology used by the DMHC applications is outdated is an outdated construction that requires custom coding or complex workarounds to integrate modern cloud platforms. The disparate user data sets and outdated authentication technology pose significant risk to the DMHC's initiatives to adopt cloud technologies for business solutions and security compliance.

  • Dan Southard

    Person

    This proposal aims to enhance the DMHC's security posture, project management and automation processes to mitigate security vulnerabilities. T identity and access management proposal will allow users to access multiple applications with a single set of credentials, enhancing security, ensuring compliance with cal secure requirements and improving operational efficiency and reducing spend time spent on password related issues.

  • Dan Southard

    Person

    And for this proposal the DMHC is requesting expenditure authority of 187,000 in 25-26 to implement the planning stage of the IT project to provide an IDAM solution. More than happy to answer any questions.

  • Akilah Weber Pierson

    Legislator

    Thank you. Not seeing any questions

  • Jason Constantouros

    Person

    And Elio just want to note that we have not raised concerns with any of the DMHC items in case that helps expedite the

  • Akilah Weber Pierson

    Legislator

    Thank you.

  • Dan Southard

    Person

    I'll move on to the next one which is our project planning for our customer relations management modernization. So the DMC currently operates two separate complaint case management systems to manage and process consumer provider complaints.

  • Dan Southard

    Person

    This custom framework has led to an increased challenges when trying to implement major upgrades or modernization of these systems and the underlying technology is outdated and requires modernization to both infrastructure as well as software's capacity to streamline and automate workflows. Implementing functionality within the current CRM software requires time consuming custom dot node coding which makes it difficult for the DHC's IT staff to keep up with the changing program needs.

  • Dan Southard

    Person

    This proposal outlines the initial planning phase for implementing a new CRM system designed to provide timely consumer provider assistance, addressing the increase in complaint volume and expedite complaints, enhancing processing and ensuring compliance with data reporting and auditing requirements and for this proposal, the DMHC is requesting expenditure authority of $1.2 million in fiscal year 25-26 only for the planning phase of this IT project.

  • Dan Southard

    Person

    More than happy to answer any questions.

  • Dan Southard

    Person

    Next proposal is the web accessible service portal. The DMC currently uses a ShareWell solution as a web accessible service portal to manage service disruptions, process service requests, facilitate employee onboarding and offboarding, and address customer IT inquiries. The existing ShareWell system will be phased out and reach its end of life on December 31st, 2026 requiring a replacement.

  • Dan Southard

    Person

    The new enterprise service management solution will use a modern responsive and intuitive user interface offering improved self service capabilities while maintaining compliance with security and accessibility standards. Additionally, a more modern solution will provide real time access to service data, enhancing decision making and IT governance.

  • Dan Southard

    Person

    For this proposal we are requesting expenditure authority of 618,000 in 25-26 and 348,000 in 26-27. Last workload BCP is for program workload resources and the DBC is requesting funding to modernize Information technology infrastructure which includes updating equipment, enhancing security measures, improving online access for stakeholders and supporting the costs associated with the legal investigation software the funds requested.

  • Dan Southard

    Person

    This proposal will also support ongoing consultant services to address an increased volume of consumer complaints and cover the increased fees of the clinical consultants. These services are essential to assist the DMHC in conducting medical surveys, evaluating network adequacy and ensuring compliance with statutory timelines requirements.

  • Dan Southard

    Person

    Additionally, the majority of the DMHC network gear is aging out, will no longer be supported for issues or security updates, exposing the DMHC to potential vulnerabilities. And for this proposal the DMHC is requesting expenditure authority of 2.5 million ongoing to address these numerous system upgrades. We're happy to answer any questions.

  • Dan Southard

    Person

    All right, I'll turn it over back over to our Director Mary.

  • Mary Watanabe

    Person

    We'll try to zip through our legislative BCPs starting with AB 3275. This changed the timeframes for reimbursing, contesting and denying claims for healthcare services from 35 and 45 working days to 30 calendar days for all complete claims.

  • Mary Watanabe

    Person

    The bill also increased the penalty on health plans for not automatically paying interest owed on a claim from $10 to $15 or 10% of the accrued interest on the claim. We're requesting 24 positions and 5.5 million ongoing to implement the requirements of AB 3275. Next we have AB 2072 and AB 2434 related to multiple employer welfare arrangements.

  • Mary Watanabe

    Person

    AB 2072 amends current law to extend the sunset date from January 1st of 2026 to January 1st of 2030, allowing MEWAs or multiple employer welfare arrangements to provide large group healthcare coverage to member employers in the biomedical industry for an additional four years.

  • Mary Watanabe

    Person

    AB 2434 authorizes an association with small employer members in the engineering, surveying or design industry to purchase large group coverage through a MEWA. AB 2434 requires the Association of MEWA to file the registration on or before June 1st of 2025 and must provide annual compliance for filings.

  • Mary Watanabe

    Person

    The DMHC will provide the health committee of the legislature with the most recent MEWA filings by June 30th of 2026. We also will conduct an analysis of the impact of mewas on the small employer market and prepare a report summarizing the findings that will be posted by July 1st of 2026.

  • Mary Watanabe

    Person

    We're requesting limited term expenditure authority of a 508,000 to conduct the impact analysis for these bills. Moving on to AB 1842, which requires group or individual health plans to cover at least one drug and specified opioid disorder, opioid use disorder treatment categories without prior step therapy or utilization review works.

  • Mary Watanabe

    Person

    Request an expenditure authority of 133,000 ongoing to contract with a statistical consultant to develop the methodology to include this review in our annual survey process.

  • Mary Watanabe

    Person

    Moving on to SB 1180, which requires health plans to establish a process to reimburse emergency medical services, alternative programs, including services provided by community paramedicine programs, triage to alternate destination programs or mobile integrated health programs and prohibits enrollees from being charged more than the in network cost sharing amount regardless of whether the provider was in network.

  • Mary Watanabe

    Person

    This requires us to conduct legal research and review compliance with the requirements of the bill. We're requesting one position and 427,000 ongoing to implement the requirements of SB 1180.

  • Mary Watanabe

    Person

    SB 1120 requires health plans that use artificial intelligence or AI algorithms or other software tools for utilization review or utilization management functions to support comply with certain requirements, including that the tools base its determination on specific information and be fairly and equitably applied.

  • Mary Watanabe

    Person

    It also prohibits AI algorithms or other tools from making decisions to deny, delay or modify healthcare services based on medical necessity. These decisions must be reviewed by a competent licensed physician or healthcare professional. We're requesting three positions and 740,000 ongoing to implement these requirements. Next is SB 729 treatment for infertility and fertility services.

  • Mary Watanabe

    Person

    Beginning July 1st of 2025, large group health plans are required to provide coverage for the diagnosis and treatment of infertility fertility services including IVF, in vitro fertilization. It also requires small group plans to offer this coverage. The DMHC is requesting seven positions and 2.1 million ongoing to implement these requirements.

  • Mary Watanabe

    Person

    Next we have AB 3059 related to human donor milk coverage which clarified that medically necessary pasteurized donor human milk obtained from licensed tissue bank is a basic healthcare service and should be covered by health plans. The DMHC is requesting 133,000 ongoing to contract with a consultant to help us with our survey process.

  • Mary Watanabe

    Person

    And last I think here is let's see AB 2063 related to Voluntary Employee Benefit Association or VBAs. This bill authorizes. Excuse me.

  • Mary Watanabe

    Person

    In 2020, AB 1124 authorized two pilot programs, one in Northern, one in Southern California under which one VEBA trust fund in each region would be exempt from licensure provided that the VEBA partnered with a risk bearing organization and met certain requirements.

  • Mary Watanabe

    Person

    The purpose of the pilot program was to demonstrate that these arrangements can provide high quality care at a lower cost. We authorized one VEBA to operate in Southern California beginning in January of 2022. AB 2063 grants a two year extension for the pilot program in Southern California allowing it to operate until December of 2027.

  • Mary Watanabe

    Person

    It also extends the deadline for us to submit a report on the pilot program from 2027 to 2029. We're requesting 178,000 through 2028-29 to implement the requirements. Make sure I think that's it. Happy to take questions.

  • Akilah Weber Pierson

    Legislator

    Thank you, not seeing any questions. Would like to thank you for your presentation. We will now move to the next department, California Health Benefit Exchange Covered California.

  • Akilah Weber Pierson

    Legislator

    You may begin.

  • Katie Ravel

    Person

    Good morning, Madam Chair and members. My name is Katie Ravel. I'm the Director of Policy, Eligibility and Research at Covered California. I'm joined by my colleague Emory Wolf, our Associate Deputy Director for Evaluation and Research, and we'll address your agenda questions and then take any additional questions you have.

  • Katie Ravel

    Person

    We'll start with an overview of Covered California's mission and programs. The Affordable Care Act passed in 2010 dramatically changed the individual health insurance market, which is well summarized in your agenda for today.

  • Katie Ravel

    Person

    A key component of the Affordable Care Act was the creation of health benefit exchanges that offer comprehensive health plans with income based financial help to lower premiums and out of pocket costs for individuals who don't have affordable coverage through an employer, Medicaid or Medicare.

  • Katie Ravel

    Person

    Our mission is to increase the number of insured Californians, improve healthcare quality, lower costs and reduce health disparities through an innovative competitive marketplace that empowers our consumers to choose the health plan and providers that give them the best value.

  • Katie Ravel

    Person

    We contract with 12 insurance carriers throughout the state and our members choose from several coverage options that vary in the amount of monthly premium and out of pocket costs. Over the last five years, state and federal action has built on the foundation of the Affordable Care Act to provide more support to our enrollees to afford coverage.

  • Katie Ravel

    Person

    Federal action includes enhanced premium subsidies which were authorized by the American Rescue Plan and extended through 2025 by the Inflation Reduction act of 2022.

  • Katie Ravel

    Person

    California has also taken several key actions on affordability in our program, including implementation in 2020 of a nation leading California Premium Subsidy program through which middle income Californians were able to access premium assistance for the first time. Implementation of the California Premium Credit Program which enabled Covered California to offer plans with 0 monthly premium and more recently, implementation of the subsidies to reduce out of pocket costs and healthcare for the Striking Workers Program.

  • Katie Ravel

    Person

    The Budget Act of 2023 authorized Covered California to spend $82.5 million to lower out of pocket costs for California enrollees. We call this the California Cost Sharing Reduction Program. For benefit year 2024,

  • Katie Ravel

    Person

    we use the funding to eliminate deductibles and lower costs for key services like primary care and outpatient mental health visits and prescription drugs for our lowest income enrollees. And I'll turn it now to Emory to provide an update on our 2025 affordability programs and an update on our

  • Katie Ravel

    Person

    recent open enrollment.

  • Emory Wolf

    Person

    Thank you Madam Chair and members. Emory Wolf, Associate Deputy Director for Evaluation and Research. For the 2025 coverage year, Covered California is offering the highest level of financial assistance in our history. This is thanks to two things.

  • Emory Wolf

    Person

    The first is the Federal Enhanced Premium Tax Credit that was implemented with the American Rescue Plan and extended through 2025 under the Inflation Reduction Act. We're estimating that the Enhanced Premium Tax Credit will provide $2.1 billion in premium support to Covered California enrollees over the course of the 2025 plan year.

  • Emory Wolf

    Person

    And the second is the California Enhanced Cost Sharing Reduction Program, which was made possible by the $165 million appropriation from the Health Care Affordability Reserve Fund. We are using this funding to eliminate deductibles and lower costs for key services like primary care and outpatient mental health visits and prescription drugs.

  • Emory Wolf

    Person

    This record affordability pushed our 2025 open enrollment signups to an all time high. As of January 31st, 1.98 million Californians selected Covered California plans for 2025. This is about 200,000 more enrollees than we've ever had.

  • Emory Wolf

    Person

    Among those, among- nearly 1.3 million enrollees are receiving state support through the California Enhanced Cost Sharing Reduction Program with no deductibles and lower costs when they access care. Individuals moving from Medi-Cal to Covered California continue to increase our enrollment with more than 210,000 of our open enrollment signups having lost Medi-Cal in the past year.

  • Emory Wolf

    Person

    I'll turn it back to Katie for the next question.

  • Katie Ravel

    Person

    Okay, our final question looking out to 2026, if Congress takes action to extend the federal enhanced premium tax credit, Covered California will continue offering the cost sharing reduction program that's in place today.

  • Katie Ravel

    Person

    If the Federal Enhanced Premium Tax Credit is not extended by Congress, federal premium subsidy levels will drop to their pre2021 levels, which are laid out by the Affordable Care Act. For sense of magnitude, that's about $9 billion this this year flowing to California for the ACA level of subsidies.

  • Katie Ravel

    Person

    That said, if the enhancement expires, we'll be losing about $2 billion and our enrollees will obviously feel that difference. So for our enrollees under 400% of the federal poverty level, they'll receive less premium support and our enrollees with income above 400% of the federal poverty level will lose federal support entirely. We've done a lot of analysis here.

  • Katie Ravel

    Person

    I'll just give you one number. On average, this would be a loss of about $100 per member per month in additional premium savings for our enrollees.

  • Katie Ravel

    Person

    So in this scenario, California could use funding that's currently going to the cost sharing program to backfill some of the loss of premium assistance. Prior to 2021, Covered California did have the Premium Subsidy Program, which I mentioned, and it provided support to low and middle income enrollees. The California State Subsidy Program began in 2020.

  • Katie Ravel

    Person

    We phased it out when we had enhanced premium subsidies. So while we know that we can't provide nearly the level of assistance being provided with the federal dollars that state funding will be meaningful to anybody we're able to support.

  • Katie Ravel

    Person

    What we're doing right now is modeling the potential drop in enrollment that could occur if we lose the federal enhanced subsidies. And then we'll use that base of enrollment to estimate what we can do with the state dollars and who we can help.

  • Katie Ravel

    Person

    That work is underway now as we wrap up our budget, our Covered California budget for the upcoming fiscal year, and we'll be ready to present options in the coming weeks and we'll follow up with your staff on that. With that, I'll stop and take any questions you have.

  • Akilah Weber Pierson

    Legislator

    Thank you so much. Any comments from LAO, Department of Finance Senator Menjivar.

  • Caroline Menjivar

    Legislator

    Thank you so much. Can you share a little bit more CMS? I don't know if it was a leaked document on new protocols that we're proposing on who would be eligible for ACA as Covered California. Can you sh- Can you talk a little bit, a little bit more about how we're going to be able to prepare for that?

  • Caroline Menjivar

    Legislator

    For example, DACA not being able to be eligible, gender affirming care being removed from that.

  • Katie Ravel

    Person

    We're reviewing that regulation. It's a regulation that was released a few months ago. Under that regulation, if it's finalized as proposed, we would no longer be able to offer marketplace coverage to DACA eligible recipients. There would also be changes to gender affirming care. So we're looking at that.

  • Katie Ravel

    Person

    We've submitted a comment to CMS, submitted a comment letter to CMS. We're waiting for the final rule, which could happen in the next one or two months, and then we'll have more to say about how we would respond to those changes that could take effect. Some of them this year, some of

  • Katie Ravel

    Person

    them next year.

  • Caroline Menjivar

    Legislator

    For the DACA individuals, how many people do we have enrolled?

  • Katie Ravel

    Person

    We have about 2,500 enrolled today.

  • Caroline Menjivar

    Legislator

    Okay, thank you.

  • Akilah Weber Pierson

    Legislator

    Thank you so much for your presentation. I really look forward to continued communication when we actually know more about what's going to happen at the federal level. And I think that's going to have to be a conversation between all of us as to what we're going to do at that point.

  • Akilah Weber Pierson

    Legislator

    So there's a lot of uncertainties out there. But thank you for having a couple of options if this happens, if that happens. It's really important. So.

  • Emory Wolf

    Person

    Thank you.

  • Akilah Weber Pierson

    Legislator

    Thank you, Senator.

  • Akilah Weber Pierson

    Legislator

    Alright. We will now move to Department of Healthcare Services and you may begin.

  • Paula Wilhelm

    Person

    Good morning. Would you like me to jump in with the first issue?

  • Caroline Menjivar

    Legislator

    Please go ahead.

  • Paula Wilhelm

    Person

    Thank you. Paula Wilhelm, Deputy Director for Behavioral Health at the Department of Healthcare Services and the committee requested a brief overview of significant program changes related to Medi-Cal Specialty Mental Health or the Drug Medi-Cal- Drug Medi-Cal Organized Delivery System the 24 and 25-26 state fiscal years.

  • Paula Wilhelm

    Person

    So during this time period, the department has continued to implement the behavioral health components of the California Advancing and Innovating in Medi-Cal Initiative, or CalAIM, while also launching new benefits and activities under the Behavioral Health Community Based Organized Networks of Equitable Care and Treatment Initiative, or BHConnect.

  • Paula Wilhelm

    Person

    We are also working through key implementation milestones for the Behavioral Health Services ACT and Proposition 1 bond funding, so the Behavioral Health Services act and BHConnect are covered as issues 3 and 4 today. I'll hold substantive comment on those activities for now and share very brief updates on CalAIM and specialty behavioral health more broadly.

  • Paula Wilhelm

    Person

    So, as you may know, our CalAIM benefits and policies for behavioral health include the launch of Medi-Cal Peer Support Specialist services, mobile crisis services, and contingency management services and also several updates to administrative policies that have been intended reduce complexity for plans, providers and members and improve access and quality.

  • Paula Wilhelm

    Person

    Some of these policies included revisions to our criteria for access to specialty mental health services, our No Wrong Door Policy, the implementation of standardized screening and transition tools for mental health access, updates to our clinical documentation requirements, and the implementation of behavioral health payment reform.

  • Paula Wilhelm

    Person

    So in fiscal years 24-25 and 25-26, the department is focused on making targeted updates to these policies in partnership with Medi-Cal stakeholders to support effective implementation.

  • Paula Wilhelm

    Person

    For example, we recently released consolidated guidance to clarify our existing policies for the Medi-Cal Peer Support Specialist Services benefit, and we are currently in the process of finalizing updates to our Access Criteria for Specialty Mental Health, which will include a list of DHCS approved youth trauma screening tools that can be used to help determine whether youth meet the criteria to access specialty mental health service.

  • Paula Wilhelm

    Person

    We are also updating our Screening and Transition of Care Tools Policy to allow practitioners to override a screening tool score based on their clinical judgment for the Medi-Cal Mobile Crisis Services benefit.

  • Paula Wilhelm

    Person

    I'm pleased to report that 52 counties, which cover more than 95% of our Medi-Cal Members, have fully implemented this service and can offer 24 hour mobile crisis response countywide the remaining counties are able to offer more limited mobile crisis response, and they continue to work closely with DHCS to come into full compliance with the benefit.

  • Paula Wilhelm

    Person

    I'll also share some promising data on our contingency management benefit, which has now served more than 7,000 Medi-Cal members, with approximately 2,000 members currently enrolled across more than 100 sites in 21 counties. So contingency management is proving to be effective.

  • Paula Wilhelm

    Person

    95% of our Medi-Cal members receiving this service have tested negative for stimulant use, and that's compared to an average of 85% in the clinical literature.

  • Paula Wilhelm

    Person

    Currently, about 80% of our Medi-Cal population is located in a county with at least one contingency management provider, so we look forward to continuing to build capacity to reach more Medi-Cal members with these benefits.

  • Paula Wilhelm

    Person

    I will close by highlighting our implementation of one more new behavioral health benefit that was recently authorized through an amendment to our CalAIM waiver. Last fall, the department received first in the Nation approval from the Centers for Medicare and Medicaid Services, along with three other states to cover traditional healthcare practices in Medicaid.

  • Paula Wilhelm

    Person

    California is initially authorized to cover traditional health care practices through December 31st of 2026. These services were really meant to improve access to culturally responsive care for American Indian and Alaska Native Medi-Cal members who are seeking treatment specifically for substance use.

  • Paula Wilhelm

    Person

    Traditional health care practices will be available through our Indian healthcare providers or IHCPs for Medi-Cal Members enrolled in Drug Medi-Cal Organized Delivery System counties. All 40 of our Drug Medi-Cal Organized Delivery System counties will be required to cover traditional healthcare practices when offered by participating Indian healthcare providers.

  • Paula Wilhelm

    Person

    DHCS released the Initial Implementation guidance for counties and Indian healthcare providers in late March, and we are beginning to approve providers to participate in the benefit and launch traditional healthcare practices. So I'll end my remarks here and I'm happy to answer questions.

  • Akilah Weber Pierson

    Legislator

    Thank you. Any comments from LAO?

  • Will Owens

    Person

    Will Owens, the Legislative Analyst Office. Nothing to add but available for questions.

  • Akilah Weber Pierson

    Legislator

    Anything from the Department of Finance?

  • Lizbeth Castillo

    Person

    Lizbeth Castillo with Department of Finance. Nothing to add.

  • Akilah Weber Pierson

    Legislator

    Thank you. Not seeing any questions. We'll move to the next issue. Children and Youth Behavior Initiative- Health Initiative.

  • Autumn Boylan

    Person

    Good Morning. My name is Autumn Boylan. I'm a Deputy Director with the Office of Strategic Partnerships at DHCS. Thank you so much to the Chair and members for having us at this committee today.

  • Autumn Boylan

    Person

    As part of the Children and Youth Behavioral Health Initiative, the Department of Healthcare Services administers several complementary work streams to improve access to behavioral health services at public schools, including colleges and universities across the state.

  • Autumn Boylan

    Person

    Our goal is for all 58 county offices of education, the more than 1100 Local Education Agencies or LEAs in the state, as well as the California Community Colleges, California State University and University of California campuses to participate in the CYBHI Fee Schedule Program which will provi- provide a permanent source of funding to schools not only to sustain the one time CYBHI School Based Services investments like the Student Behavioral Health Incentive Program and Well-Being and Mindfulness Grants, but to maintain and grow access to behavioral health servi- services for students across California.

  • Autumn Boylan

    Person

    A total of 494 local education agencies and institutions of higher education have signed up for the CYBHI Fee Schedule Program through four distinct cohorts. The first cohort launched in January of 2024 with 46 LEAs and they are able to submit claims with dates of service as of July 1st.

  • Autumn Boylan

    Person

    In the fall we started onboarding Cohorts 2 and 3 which added an additional 240, excuse me, 245 LEAs to the Fee Schedule Program, including a handful of colleges and universities, and Cohort 4 with an additional 196 LEAs will kick off starting January- July 1st of 2025. The program represents a significant transformation in California's education and behavioral health systems.

  • Autumn Boylan

    Person

    It requires very close collaboration between the department, county offices of education, LEAs, colleges and universities, Medi-Cal and commercial managed care plans, insurers, and multiple state departments including the California Health and Human Services Agency, the Department of Managed Health Care, and the Department of Insurance.

  • Autumn Boylan

    Person

    Some County Offices of Education and LEAs have shared challenges that they've experienced in standing up this program, and DHCS is working tirelessly to address all of the implementation challenges that have been raised by our implementation partners. This is a significant change for the entire system and changes of this magnitude take time.

  • Autumn Boylan

    Person

    DHCS has worked collaboratively with county offices of education, LEAs and institutions of higher education to design and implement all aspects of the policy and operational framework for this program. Stakeholders have con- raised concerns that the process is taking so long. However, we intentionally took the time to work with our County Office of Education, LEA and statewide education partners.

  • Autumn Boylan

    Person

    We've listened to their concerns and collaboratively designed the policy. When we've tried an approach that has been less successful, we've made changes to improve the way that we operate the program, and when we've heard LEAs express concerns about difficulty completing onboarding prerequisites, we've made changes to the forms and templates to streamline them.

  • Autumn Boylan

    Person

    We've also created additional training and technical assistance opportunities via recorded trainings, live webinars weekly office hour sessions to support LEAs and make sure that we are removing real or perceived barriers to participation.

  • Autumn Boylan

    Person

    Further, based on direct feedback from LEAs, Carelon Behavioral Health, the state's third party administrator, is establi- establishing direct data connections with meta- with managed care plans and insurers to reduce the administrative burdens on LEAs related to collecting student health insurance information.

  • Autumn Boylan

    Person

    But we do need LEAs to collect student health insurance information as there is not a single statewide database of all plan enrollees for all plan types that are covered under the CYBHI Fee Schedule Program.

  • Autumn Boylan

    Person

    We have published jointly with Carelon Behavioral Health several critical pieces of guidance over the last year of the program, including the preliminary CYBHI Fee Schedule Program Manual which was published in February of 2024 and a recent update to the manual that was shared with LEAs as recently as this week, the Provider Participation Agreement, which provides extensive details about requirements for participation of LEAs and colleges and universities.

  • Autumn Boylan

    Person

    There are numerous- numerous technical guides, recorded training sessions and user manuals available on our website or Carelon Behavioral Health's website. We've also recently published guidance for adding community providers to the CYBHI Fee Schedule Program, although those are not new policies as community providers have been eligible to participate from the beginning.

  • Autumn Boylan

    Person

    The infrastructure to pay claims is in place and claims are being paid. The terms- In terms of claims submitted, as of yesterday, there are 14 LEAs that have submitted claims to Carelon Behavioral Health. 327 total claims have been submitted, not including denials, and a total of 149 claims have been paid.

  • Autumn Boylan

    Person

    Most of the claims that have not been paid are- have been submitted in the month of April of 2025 and to date, over $12,000 of reimbursement has been made to participating LEAs.

  • Autumn Boylan

    Person

    We've been working closely with the Cohort 1 LEAs to increase the number of LEAs that have completed the onboarding process to get to the ready stage and allow them to start claiming for services throughout the- throughout this process.

  • Autumn Boylan

    Person

    In our one on one interviews with LEAs, they've shared a variety of reasons for the delays, a handful of requested edits to the Provider Participation Agreement or Data Use Agreement. We're working through those changes with them.

  • Autumn Boylan

    Person

    Some LEAs have expressed confusion about the process or have had questions about program guidance, but a significant number of Cohort 1 LEAs are working through the process internally or getting vendor contracts in place or intentionally waiting to submit claims until a later date.

  • Autumn Boylan

    Person

    For those LEAs that have already submitted claims, each has only submitted a small number of claims to date, but I will re emphasize that there are no barriers to prevent these LEAs from submitting claims and getting reimbursed.

  • Autumn Boylan

    Person

    As we've been reimbursing claims Since December of 2024, we've had some recent success in increasing the number of claims submitted by LEAs who are working hard alongside DHCS and Carelon Behavioral Health Teams to get to scale.

  • Autumn Boylan

    Person

    For example, sorry, for example, Fresno County Superintendent of Schools so I know is here today has the highest level of reimbursement of all LEAs with paid claims totaling more than $5,600. They submitted another 103 claims this week which have already been adjudicated and approved for payment.

  • Autumn Boylan

    Person

    The Santa Clara County Office of Education initially submitted two test claims in December of 2024.

  • Autumn Boylan

    Person

    Once they worked through the submission errors with Carelon Behavioral Health and submitted clean claims which is a requirement in order to pay the claims, those claims were paid and last week we're happy to report Carelon- Santa Clara County Office of Education submitted an additional 62 claim lines totaling more than $4,000 of reimbursement and those claims were authorized for payment today.

  • Autumn Boylan

    Person

    We still have a long way to go before claiming is at scale.

  • Autumn Boylan

    Person

    We recognize that, but DHCS is committed to ensuring that all Cohort 1 LEAs have submitted claims and received payment by the end of the fiscal year and all Cohort 2 and 3 participants complete onboarding and are able to start claiming by the beginning of the next school year.

  • Autumn Boylan

    Person

    We've also worked closely with community providers like Hazel Health across the state to provide technical assistance so that they can partner with LEAs in the CYBHI Fee Schedule Program alongside school districts that are- that they are already serving. We've conducted trainings for providers at multiple venues.

  • Autumn Boylan

    Person

    We've also shared additional guidance with LEAs and LEA affiliated private providers to help expedite their participation as affiliated community based providers in the program. There are three distinct pathways for community based schooling providers to participate.

  • Autumn Boylan

    Person

    They can obtain a contract directly with an LEA or IHE and the LEA or IHE can designate them as part of their network.

  • Autumn Boylan

    Person

    They can also be eligible as a statewide affiliated provider if they are serving multiple LEAs across multiple counties or they may contract directly with a managed care plan and be a part of the managed care plans network.

  • Autumn Boylan

    Person

    As I mentioned, the department has been meeting and working closely with Hazel Health and other statewide affiliated providers to implement this new pathway for the statewide providers that are providing school based services to students across the state and Hazel Health has specifically already begun their onboarding efforts as well as a couple of other statewide community based partner providers and it isn't only just the community providers that can contract with managed care plans for services.

  • Autumn Boylan

    Person

    MCPS can directly contract with LEAs and colleges and universities to support school based services delivery and infrastructure, including continuing investments that were initiated as part of the Student Behavioral Health Incentive Program to provide and to, I'm sorry, SBHIP was not established to provide reimbursement to LEAs and IHEs for services.

  • Autumn Boylan

    Person

    Instead, the intent was to establish relationships between the managed care plans and LEAs and make necessary infrastructure investments to support school based services that would be sustained as part of the Fee Schedule program.

  • Autumn Boylan

    Person

    While implementing the new infrastructure has been a challenge, the mandate is clear and DHCS is firmly committed to establishing a sustainable school based provider network so that all eligible children and youth can access behavioral health services that they need. Thank you.

  • Akilah Weber Pierson

    Legislator

    Any comments from LAO? Department of Finance? Senator? Oh, okay, well you can continue. Next issue.

  • Caroline Menjivar

    Legislator

    Oh. No, there's a speaker on this, is there? Yeah, there's- no other speakers on this issue. I think.

  • Caroline Menjivar

    Legislator

    Okay.

  • Akilah Weber Pierson

    Legislator

    Good morning. Please introduce yourself and then you all may begin. You have. Madam. Thank you.

  • Trina Frazier

    Person

    Thank you. My name is Trina Frazier and I'm with Fresno County Superintendent of Schools. Can you hear me now? Good morning. My name is Trina Frazier and I'm with Fresno County Superintendent of Schools.

  • Trina Frazier

    Person

    In 2018, Fresno County Superintendent of Schools partnered with the Department of Behavioral Health to become a contracted provider of Tier 3 specialty mental health services across 31 school districts and numerous charter schools in Fresno County.

  • Trina Frazier

    Person

    Over the course of five years, we phased in this initiative to ensure that every school in the county had access to these critical services. Today, our all for Youth program employs 248 staff, including 170 Clinicians and case managers, as well as family partner wellness coaches and support personnel.

  • Trina Frazier

    Person

    We currently have clinicians placed in more than 300 schools and we are serving approximately 4,000 youth annually. The CYBHI funding plays a vital role in addressing significant service gaps in our county. This support allows us to expand services to include Tier 2 mild to moderate mental health services which we previously could not offer or seek reimbursement.

  • Trina Frazier

    Person

    Most importantly, the CYBHI enables us to build managed care plans and private commercial health services insurance companies, completing our continuum of care and establishing a full spectrum of behavioral health services. To build the necessary infrastructure, our county office has used the CYBHI to support personnel.

  • Trina Frazier

    Person

    The personnel that we have hired are a clinical supervisor, 10 Clinicians, 11 wellness coach 1s, 23 wellness coach twos, a program supervisor, and an insurance audit specialist. We began receiving technical support from Carillon, the third party administrator, in November of 2024.

  • Trina Frazier

    Person

    Our experience with Carillon has been very positive and they have been responsive and supportive to our county office. However, when we were accepted into the CYBHI Cohort 1 in December of 2023, we were scheduled to begin billing in April of 2024.

  • Trina Frazier

    Person

    Despite understanding the complexity of integrating educational and medical systems, our experience delivering specialty mental health services proves that such integration is possible. The current rollout feels like building the plane while flying it. Cohorts 2 and 3 have been onboarded before.

  • Trina Frazier

    Person

    Cohort one has fully has become fully operational, which we believe undermines the intent of Cohort 1 as a pilot. Another ongoing challenge for LEAs is the requirement to collect student health plan information. Autumn spoke about that earlier, a task that is typically outside the school's capacity.

  • Trina Frazier

    Person

    Many colleagues have expressed to dhcs that this responsibility is significantly hampering our ability to secure reimbursements. To date, our county Office has submitted 343 claims to our electronic health record. Of those, 40 have been sent on to Carillon, 21 have been denied and only two have been paid for. Totaling $327.

  • Trina Frazier

    Person

    Santa Clara County Office of Education and Sacramento COE have met their timelines for distributing the CYBHI Capacity Grant funds to support LEAs with building infrastructure. And while HCAI has met timelines and has been dispersing the funds so that we can hire wellness coaches, there still is significant uncertainty.

  • Trina Frazier

    Person

    Although we've hired clinicians and wellness coaches, we still lack clarity on what services wellness coaches are eligible to bill and at what rates. This uncertainty poses major challenges for workforce sustainability. Without clear guidance, we face the difficult possibility of laying off staff we've hired throughout California.

  • Trina Frazier

    Person

    Our children and youth are counting on us to follow the timelines that we set. They urgently need these services, and we urge DHCS to address these gaps so we can continue delivering care without interruptions. Thank you for your time.

  • Akilah Weber Pierson

    Legislator

    Thank you.

  • Amanda Dickie

    Person

    You may begin. You have two minutes. Thank you. My name is Amanda Dickie. I'm with the Santa Clara County Office of Education. And we have been a proud leader in the school based mental health space for the last five years.

  • Amanda Dickie

    Person

    In 2021, we saw a clear need in our community for youth mental health services that was not being met because MediCal eligibility rates in our county are very low and commercial health plans would not reimburse for the services that we provided to students.

  • Amanda Dickie

    Person

    As a result, we sponsored the legislation SB508 that was ultimately incorporated into the budget and became the LEA fee schedule.

  • Amanda Dickie

    Person

    As a true believer in this model as well as the whole child approach generally, Santa Clara was one of the first LEAs to begin utilizing CYBHI funds to establish student wellness centers and intentionally build out a model based on the fee schedule. We created a youth health and wellness Department.

  • Amanda Dickie

    Person

    We opened 25 wellness centers and districts throughout our entire county and hired more than 50 staff, including Clinicians, Wellness Coaches, community schools, liaisons, and Medi Cal billing experts. We were accepted into Cohort 1 of the fee schedule and were one of the few LEAs to actually complete the onboarding process. We submitted our first claims test.

  • Amanda Dickie

    Person

    Claims, really in November of 2024, expecting a reimbursement of $1,500 and ultimately received $200 in March of this year. Since then, we've submitted another batch of claims. I'm happy to hear that Caroline found them. They were lost for a few weeks, so that's great.

  • Amanda Dickie

    Person

    And our funding model for our wellness centers was built in reliance on the legal implementation date of January 1st of 2024, but because we didn't receive reimbursement for a single claim until 15 months after that, as of March, we were forced to pink slip 27 of our staff, so 27 of the approximately 50 that we hired.

  • Amanda Dickie

    Person

    I want to be clear that in my opinion, DHCS leadership has worked incredibly hard to try to get this program up and running.

  • Amanda Dickie

    Person

    I know that the Deputy Director starts most of her days at 7 a.m. and works until 7 p.m. most days, and she is really deeply committed to the success of this program, but I do feel in a lot of ways that she has been set up for failure.

  • Amanda Dickie

    Person

    The CYBHI had 24 work streams and the fee schedule, which I would argue is the single most important piece, was treated as an afterthought. DHCS on top of that was not given any additional funds or positions to help with implementation of the fee schedule originally.

  • Amanda Dickie

    Person

    As a result, I think they've been understaffed until recently and frankly lacked the in house expertise necessary to stand up a very complex and brand new MediCal funding stream. And the third party administrator, Carolon was of course supposed to help with this, but I'd argue that they've been the source of many of the implementation delays.

  • Amanda Dickie

    Person

    For instance, they didn't provide access to the software billing platform or provide training on how to use it until nearly a year after the fee schedule was supposed to be implemented.

  • Amanda Dickie

    Person

    And they still haven't signed MOUs with the health plans to my knowledge, which delayed payment of reimbursements and forced DHCs to find other creative ways to pay out claims, which they did to their credit. I could go on and on about the implementation issues, but I'm not going to.

  • Amanda Dickie

    Person

    I want to spend my last 20 seconds talking about how we move forward. First, we urge Members of the Committee to support the Budget ask being circulated by Senator Perez and Assemblymember Schiavo for one time bridge funding to support alligas like Santa Clara and Fresno who have been negatively impacted by delayed implementation of the fee schedule.

  • Amanda Dickie

    Person

    One time funding would help ensure that the infrastructure we built over the last five years is not torn down before schools can fully access ongoing funding. Second, we encourage the state to ensure that DHCS has all the resources they need in order to fully implement the Fee Schedule.

  • Amanda Dickie

    Person

    And third, we encourage Members of the Senate to partner with us and with others in the the Education Coalition to explore amendments to the statute establishing the fee schedule.

  • Amanda Dickie

    Person

    We have encountered a number of legislative barriers and so has DHCs that we've been trying to work on but they are barriers that would probably need to be changed by legislation and we do think would probably increase participation in the fee schedule if they were changed.

  • Amanda Dickie

    Person

    Thank you for this opportunity and I'm happy to answer questions at the appropriate time.

  • Akilah Weber Pierson

    Legislator

    Yeah, you may begin.

  • Erin Davis

    Person

    Good morning Chair and Members and staff. My name is Erin Davis and I'm here on behalf of Hazel Health. We are the nation's largest provider of telehealth to the K12 population. Thanks to the Student Behavioral Health Incentive Program, SBHIP, Hazel currently serves approximately 1.4 million California students across more than 100 school districts.

  • Erin Davis

    Person

    Our school centered model connects students with licensed mental health professionals. Virtually we eliminate barriers like transportation, long wait times and out of pocket costs. We we serve all students regardless of insurance type which includes care, navigation and connection to community and wraparound services.

  • Erin Davis

    Person

    To date, our more than 300 pediatric behavioral health Clinicians have delivered tens of thousands of hours of clinical evidence based therapies. Just this year we have seen an increase of more than 60% for referrals to our services. As you are aware, SBHIP funding expired in 2024 and December.

  • Erin Davis

    Person

    It was expected that the fee schedule would take over, but as you've heard this morning, full implementation still remains a significant work in progress. But without reliable bridge funding, these vital services that we and others who have been funded through SBHIP are at risk.

  • Erin Davis

    Person

    Hazel supports the fee schedule and as Autumn mentioned earlier, we are actively working with DHCS on a more expedited affiliated provider process. But on the ground, here's what we are hearing. Only six of our 103 partner districts are currently eligible to submit claims. Of those six, just one is actively submitting and only began submitting in late March.

  • Erin Davis

    Person

    Our largest district partner has submitted only 70 claims to date, with only a small portion having been paid. And when we speak with district leaders, many of whom are reviewing contract renewals right now, here's what we're hearing.

  • Erin Davis

    Person

    Confusion about what the fee schedule covers and who qualifies, Uncertainty about how to budget for electronic health records and the staff training required in order to implement and use them, and a growing concern about how to continue these services because they haven't budgeted for them, assuming that the fee schedule would be ready and fully implemented.

  • Erin Davis

    Person

    Despite best efforts of DHCS, districts and providers, as you've heard this morning, the fee schedule simply is not fully operational. That's why we are respectfully requesting a reauthorization of SBHIP funds during this transition. And Senator Perez and others have graciously also made a funding request this isn't about creating something new.

  • Erin Davis

    Person

    It's about preserving access to essential services that are working right now. We understand the current challenging budget landscape, but this modest strategic investment will protect California's historic gains in school based behavioral health. Give the fee schedule time to mature and prevent service disruption for thousands of students and families.

  • Erin Davis

    Person

    Without this stopgap funding, we risk undermining years of progress and significant financial investment that the state has made. We will be leaving schools and families without a safety net and jeopardizing the mental health of students who need care the most. Thank you for your time, your leadership and your commitment to California students.

  • Erin Davis

    Person

    I'm happy to stand for questions at the appropriate time.

  • Akilah Weber Pierson

    Legislator

    Thank you. Senator Menjivar.

  • Caroline Menjivar

    Legislator

    Deputy Director I think you. Sorry, I can't remember your name. You mentioned it correctly. I don't think you wake up and start your day at 7am saying how can I screw over LEAs? That's not 100% not.

  • Caroline Menjivar

    Legislator

    I know that's not the thing, but I also don't want to hear that you paint a pretty picture because it's not a pretty picture. I think we'd be able to move forward if we actually recognize that what's happening is not working. I know in the Assembly a lot of blame was put towards the LEAs.

  • Caroline Menjivar

    Legislator

    LEAs don't, can't bill. They're not submitting correct claims. They're incomplete. This is a brand new program that we've allotted, that I'm so glad we've allotted for kids to get services on school campuses, full stop. That should be the goal. This is brand new for schools.

  • Caroline Menjivar

    Legislator

    It is imperative on us as government to lead them in the right path if we want them to take on something that's completely out of their scope. So I want to know, outside of you pouring your heart and soul into this program, things that we can change.

  • Caroline Menjivar

    Legislator

    One thing that we can change is the contract to Carillon is coming to an end soon. I heard it was only for two years. Is that correct?

  • Unidentified Speaker

    Person

    No.

  • Caroline Menjivar

    Legislator

    When is that contract over?

  • Unidentified Speaker

    Person

    We have an initial contract, an initial contract with Carillon Behavioral Health. And the initial term was based on the original funding, funding that was appropriated by the Legislature in the 2023 Budget Act. So the initial contract term was for the initial like two year period to cover that $10 million of funding.

  • Unidentified Speaker

    Person

    But last year, as part of the 2024 Budget act, there was a change to the legislation that allows us to collect a fee from the managed care plans and insurers to sustain the TPA infrastructure over the long term. So we didn't just stand this up. And to your point, LEAs are still learning, so are we all learning.

  • Unidentified Speaker

    Person

    This brand new monumental change to the way that school based services are reimbursed. We didn't stand it up with the intention of tearing it down after two years.

  • Caroline Menjivar

    Legislator

    Are they meeting their RFA or RFP whenever we hire them? Are they meeting their goals?

  • Unidentified Speaker

    Person

    Yes, they are. When claims are submitted as a clean claim, which is up front federal requirement, they are paying the claims within the state mandated time frames and actually much faster than that. As a matter of fact, the claims that have been submitted by our colleagues here today were paid in less than a week once.

  • Unidentified Speaker

    Person

    The clean claim was two claims out.

  • Caroline Menjivar

    Legislator

    Of the 300 and something because Carillon took 20.

  • Caroline Menjivar

    Legislator

    Out of the 20.

  • Unidentified Speaker

    Person

    40.

  • Unidentified Speaker

    Person

    So we submitted four, we've submitted three.

  • Unidentified Speaker

    Person

    Some claims through our EHR.

  • Caroline Menjivar

    Legislator

    40.

  • Caroline Menjivar

    Legislator

    21 were?

  • Unidentified Speaker

    Person

    Denied and two were paid.

  • Unidentified Speaker

    Person

    Denied.

  • Unidentified Speaker

    Person

    Actually I, I think maybe there's more recent because In April of 2025 Fresno has been reimbursed over $5,600 in in claim lines. So sorry, Trina. I think that was recent though. Like last week some new claims were submitted.

  • Trina Frazier

    Person

    If there's more we haven't received.

  • Unidentified Speaker

    Person

    You haven't received the payment? They were approved for payment within a week.

  • Caroline Menjivar

    Legislator

    Approved. But maybe they're not getting the money because the numbers I had coming into this meeting is that only $4,000 had actually been received. Maybe they've been approved for payment, but it hasn't trickled down to them.

  • Unidentified Speaker

    Person

    There's been a big shift in April with a lot more claims being submitted by leas in April. That's why I wanted to give the shout out to Fresno and Santa Clara particularly because they have made significant strides in the last several weeks to submit a higher volume of claims for reimbursement.

  • Unidentified Speaker

    Person

    At the Assembly hearing when those numbers were shared, it was true that only two or three claims had been submitted by Fresno and only two claims had been submitted and paid by for Santa Clara County. But since then they've submitted more claims that have been paid within a week's timeframe.

  • Caroline Menjivar

    Legislator

    But if we're still hearing from various different entities that they continue to lay off or they're starting to lay off people and they're not receiving the claims, are they all incorrect?

  • Unidentified Speaker

    Person

    The claims that are being submitted are being adjudicated and paid. There are some claims that are being denied and in total, out of the, you know, more than 100 claims, like for Fresno for example, 25 total claims have been denied and I think four claims were denied from Santa Clara County Office of Education.

  • Unidentified Speaker

    Person

    Total, there's a couple hundred claims that have been denied from LEAs. The denials though are because the claims are improperly completed and there's missing information that is required under federal law.

  • Caroline Menjivar

    Legislator

    Why are LEAs still submitting incomplete claims a year and a half into the fee schedule's supposedly implementation?

  • Unidentified Speaker

    Person

    They didn't start submitting claims a year and a half ago. To be clear, the first claims that.

  • Caroline Menjivar

    Legislator

    We received were getting November schedule up in November running. It was supposed to be up and running January 2024.

  • Unidentified Speaker

    Person

    I, I think to your point a while it's a, it's a learning curve, right?

  • Caroline Menjivar

    Legislator

    Sure, absolutely. Why a year and a half later if it's still a learning curve? That means that there's no technical or lack of technical assistance for the individuals to file accurately. If I'm doing something wrong for a.

  • Unidentified Speaker

    Person

    Year and a half, that's Carillon Behavioral Health has an entire public relations team that meets regularly with all of the participating LEAs. DHCS provides hands on technical assistance as well. So I don't think that there's, I don't think that there's a lack of. Sure.

  • Caroline Menjivar

    Legislator

    Deputy Director, respectfully, you keep sharing all these things that we're doing this, we're doing that, but the result is not resulting in the investments we're putting in for the technical assistance. If you can say I'm doing all these things and the LEAs are still struggling to submit an accurate claim, then they're not being taught the correct way.

  • Caroline Menjivar

    Legislator

    If 21 of their 40 are getting denied because it's inaccurate, we're still not doing a good job at sharing how it should be submitted. So I don't think I need to be told we're doing this and this and that. I'm more interested in the results of what is our investment. Is our return on investment actually working here?

  • Caroline Menjivar

    Legislator

    And it doesn't seem like our return in investment is working here. So my first comment was you're painting this really pretty picture. And again, this is not you Director, this secretary. We're painting a pretty picture of the system, but the results of it is not adding up to the pretty picture that you're describing here.

  • Unidentified Speaker

    Person

    I hear what you're saying and I hear what my colleagues are saying, and I think that we're making progress. Just this month, we've massively increased the number of claims that are being submitted properly and are eligible for reimbursement. So I agree with you.

  • Unidentified Speaker

    Person

    There's a long way to go and that's what I said in my remarks that we're not at scale yet. There's still work to be done, but I do think we are making progress.

  • Caroline Menjivar

    Legislator

    Is one of Carillon's goals is to execute contracts with the health plans, right?

  • Unidentified Speaker

    Person

    Yes.

  • Caroline Menjivar

    Legislator

    Have they done all that?

  • Unidentified Speaker

    Person

    They have executed some agreements with some of the plans. Not all of the plans have entered into an agreement. However, we meet with the plans on a weekly basis. The plans Carillon Behavioral Health, DHCs, DMHC, and CDI, we meet on a weekly basis to work through all of the implementation challenges.

  • Unidentified Speaker

    Person

    But the fact of a particular plan not having signed their agreement yet does not mean that we cannot pay claims. And we have been paying claims.

  • Unidentified Speaker

    Person

    There have been 11 plans that have been responsible for the claims that we have reimbursed to date, which are all of the claims that we've received, and we've been able to make payment for all of those claims.

  • Caroline Menjivar

    Legislator

    Okay, so to an LEA that comes to us and says, hey, because there's no contract with an MCP, it shouldn't hold them from getting claims.

  • Unidentified Speaker

    Person

    It will not stop LEAs from getting reimbursed.

  • Caroline Menjivar

    Legislator

    Okay, and then. So we're sticking to Carillon. This is our. We're married with them. We're moving forward with them. Even though a lot of people have concerns with their lack of engagement.

  • Unidentified Speaker

    Person

    I defer to my colleagues if they have concerns with Carillon's lack of engagement. I believe that Carillon Behavioral Health has been significantly engaged with the LEAs. I think that this has been a learning curve and a significant change for the overall delivery system.

  • Unidentified Speaker

    Person

    And if we were to change course at this point, it'll be a much longer time frame before we're at a place where the plans are able to provide reimbursement.

  • Unidentified Speaker

    Person

    And I the reason that we contracted with Carillon Behavioral Health in the first place is because while some LEAs have relationships with some plans, mostly MediCal plans, they do not have relationships with all of the payers in the delivery system. And I defer to my colleagues.

  • Unidentified Speaker

    Person

    But what we heard over the two years that we were working with LEAs and county offices of education is that it would be nearly impossible for school districts to to manage figuring out how to get reimbursement from all of the health plans outside of the support that we've stood up as part of what Carillon is providing.

  • Caroline Menjivar

    Legislator

    Department of Finance. I have two budget questions for you. Correct me if let me know if this is the correct number of the 4.2 million in billion in CYBHI. funding. How much is currently unspent?

  • Lizbeth Castillo

    Person

    I do not have that information in front of me, but I can circle.

  • Caroline Menjivar

    Legislator

    You're my numbers person. Department of Finance.

  • Caroline Menjivar

    Legislator

    Anyone have LAO? Will, do you have any numbers on how much is unspent on CYBHI?

  • Caroline Menjivar

    Legislator

    Correct.

  • Will Owens

    Person

    We currently don't have expenditure data on. The CYBHI but we can follow up.

  • Caroline Menjivar

    Legislator

    Okay. I'd like to know if any of that unspent money can be utilized for the bridge funding that is being asked. How much is that request?

  • Erin Davis

    Person

    Thank you, Senator. So I want to be clear that Senator. Senator Perez did not have a number in her actual funding request. However, we have been circulating and have about 20 entities, districts that have partnered with us. And what we are proposing is just a reauthorization and reappropriation of SBHIP totaling $100 million.

  • Erin Davis

    Person

    And that's really just to lift all boats that were lifted with the initial SBHIP investment.

  • Caroline Menjivar

    Legislator

    Okay. And then Department of Finance, I don't know if you have this or maybe Deputy Director, you know this. Based on the current utilization, how much money has been awarded directly for the performance based on apps? if that makes sense.

  • Unidentified Speaker

    Person

    For the Selenium Bright Life Kids?

  • Caroline Menjivar

    Legislator

    Yes.

  • Unidentified Speaker

    Person

    The total funding for Selenium Bright Life Kids was 532 million for a five year period. I think 608 million overall from the original CYBHI estimates. It's kind of now on the year to year appropriation based on utilization. So there's not like monies.

  • Caroline Menjivar

    Legislator

    Based on the 532 million, how much has been awarded so far?

  • Unidentified Speaker

    Person

    It's.

  • Caroline Menjivar

    Legislator

    I know it's over the years.

  • Unidentified Speaker

    Person

    Yeah, the. I don't know exactly, but. Thank you. Thank you.

  • Paula Finisher

    Person

    Paula Finisher, Department of Finance. I can get you that number in one second while I do my math. But to answer your first question about how much hasn't been spent, the total program for CYBHI is 4.1 billion until 26-27. And in 25-26 and 26-27 we have about $800 million left.

  • Caroline Menjivar

    Legislator

    Each year or total?

  • Paula Finisher

    Person

    Total.

  • Caroline Menjivar

    Legislator

    800 million. Okay.

  • Paula Finisher

    Person

    Correct. And that's for the behavioral health services and supports platform, econsultant training.

  • Caroline Menjivar

    Legislator

    That is also for the. It's all spoken for is what you're saying correct? Yes. Okay.

  • Unidentified Speaker

    Person

    Including for the school based partnership and capacity grants, which most of which has gone out to the county offices of education, that was $400 million that went out for that program. There is still some money left to be made in payments based on completion of the last milestone, but those dollars were also made available.

  • Caroline Menjivar

    Legislator

    Okay. I'm just going to quickly wait for that math.

  • Paula Finisher

    Person

    Yeah. And so the way that we have budgeted for the platforms in the Medi Cal local assistance estimate includes the platforms, there's an econsult program and also training. And so it looks like currently we've spent 362.6 million as of the end of June 30, 2025.

  • Unidentified Speaker

    Person

    And there are 200,000 children using bright Life Kids in Saluna. That funding also supports the CALMAP program.

  • Caroline Menjivar

    Legislator

    Do we see any program problems with funding allocation there or claims there?

  • Unidentified Speaker

    Person

    It's not a claims based. Okay. It's service. It's a free program available to provide mental health coaching for. For children, youth and families.

  • Caroline Menjivar

    Legislator

    Oh yeah, that's right.

  • Caroline Menjivar

    Legislator

    I remember this one. Okay. I. I would love to see an update of where we are. You know, I don't want to just lean on April. We had a good month. I'd love to see an update perhaps when we.

  • Unidentified Speaker

    Person

    That's right.

  • Caroline Menjivar

    Legislator

    Through the Chair. May revise or something or just through my office because I want to see a good trend. I still haven't seen a great trend yet with the fee schedule. Thank you. Thank you.

  • Akilah Weber Pierson

    Legislator

    Thank you. Senator Menjivar. Want to really thank all of you who came and participated. So with the LEAs who actually submits the claims.

  • Trina Frazier

    Person

    So there's. We formed a consortium in our county so that with 29 of our school districts and we are going to be billing for their eligible practitioners like school psychologists, nurses, counselors, those types of professionals. But we're not starting that until we're proficient with billing ourselves. So right now we're billing for clinicians only.

  • Akilah Weber Pierson

    Legislator

    I guess my question is, does. Do you have specific individuals who are designated and that this is really all that they do or is it. No, this is all they do? Yes. Yes. And they've had training.

  • Amanda Dickie

    Person

    Yes. In fact, some of them came over from health care programs.

  • Akilah Weber Pierson

    Legislator

    So understanding that medical billing is extremely, extremely complicated and you know, coming from the health profession, myself as a physician at hospitals we have billing departments and they are experts on what needs to be there, what needs to be in the notes, how we need to bill and X, Y and z.

  • Akilah Weber Pierson

    Legislator

    Do you think that there needs to be more training so that you have a decrease in your denials? What is it that you need?

  • Amanda Dickie

    Person

    Well, one of the chief complaints that I've heard from our billing Department has been that the majority of nuanced guidance has been provided only verbally, has a tendency to change and is still not in writing.

  • Akilah Weber Pierson

    Legislator

    Okay, so do you think that is something that we could get something actually in writing.

  • Unidentified Speaker

    Person

    There actually is guidance now out in writing and there's extensive claiming and billing guidance, including user manuals, training modules that are all posted on the Carillon Behavioral Health website and have been for some time. I think it's technical in nature. Right. The LEAs have to learn how to submit in a standard transaction, which is billing Jargon. Right.

  • Unidentified Speaker

    Person

    And so it's been a learning curve. Many LEAs do use billing vendors for that purpose, and they can use their funding from the capacity grants to support those arrangements. Many of the LEAs already had contracts with billing vendors due to their participation in the local education agency billing option program.

  • Unidentified Speaker

    Person

    But for some of these vendors, this is also a change for them because they don't have the experience in billing managed care basically in a framework which is a different type of billing system than our fee for service delivery system that they're used to deliver it billing to.

  • Akilah Weber Pierson

    Legislator

    When did we start the training? Because I mean, understanding that this is a very complicated system, like we should have been able to see in advance, like, okay, this is coming. So when did we start the training?

  • Unidentified Speaker

    Person

    We started working through. So In January of 2024, we did the kickoff for the first cohort. And over the first six months it was really about diving into the policy. Claims were able to be submitted starting in July of 2024.

  • Unidentified Speaker

    Person

    Carillon Behavioral Health started working with the Cohort 1 LEAs over the summer of 2024, and training started to roll out. I would say that they've been significantly refined in the last few months. And there's a whole new kind of website with a lot of additional resources and user manuals and technical guides to help support.

  • Unidentified Speaker

    Person

    Because what we've learned over the course of that last year and a half to Member Menjewar's point point is that, you know, we needed to kind of provide more training and technical assistance. So more resources have been built out and made available. And then the PR reps also provide technical support to the LEAs.

  • Akilah Weber Pierson

    Legislator

    Yeah, I think learning lesson is maybe that training and that support should have started maybe in the spring and not in the summer, especially if you started having billing in the summer.

  • Akilah Weber Pierson

    Legislator

    Because now where we are is that people have been laid off, which is the last thing that we want because that decreases the amount of care that we're able to provide for our youth.

  • Akilah Weber Pierson

    Legislator

    We will work to get an update now that we're being told that things are better, people are understanding, there's something online, there's more training modules. Hopefully each lea has a point person that they can go to with questions. And so hopefully the next report we won't hear about so many obstacles and so many denials. Thank you all.

  • Trina Frazier

    Person

    Thank you.

  • Akilah Weber Pierson

    Legislator

    Thank you.

  • Akilah Weber Pierson

    Legislator

    We will now move to issue number three, Behavioral Health Transformation Implementation Prop 1.

  • Akilah Weber Pierson

    Legislator

    You may begin.

  • Marlies Perez

    Person

    Great. Thank you so much. Marlies Perez with the Department of Healthcare Services. And you've asked to have a brief overview and timeline of the implementation and the milestones around behavioral health transformation, which is what we're calling our effort at DHCS with the uplifting of Proposition one.

  • Marlies Perez

    Person

    And so what we have been doing, we've been doing extensive stakeholder engagement. The initiative is just a little bit over a year old. And so in 2024, we've been working not only with our behavioral health departments that we traditionally work with at the county level, but also working with our state sister departments, some of them here today.

  • Marlies Perez

    Person

    HCI, Department of Public Health, but also Department of Managed Health Care, and some new partners with the Department of Cal Vet and with the Housing and Community Development Department around issues with the bond. We've also, of course, been working with our partners at the Behavioral Health Services Oversight and Accountability Commission and the California Behavioral Health Planning Council.

  • Marlies Perez

    Person

    And so what we've been doing is really looking the legislation was quite extensive around the Behavioral Health Services act and really putting together the policy guidance. We are releasing our policy in a new way. We've created the BHSA County Policy Manual.

  • Marlies Perez

    Person

    And so this is a digital guide that will contain all of our guidance for not only BHSA, but also the bond. And so since it is quite a lot of policy guidance, we began releasing it in modules. And so we released our first module in November of 2024 in order to get public comment.

  • Marlies Perez

    Person

    And then we finalized that in February. And then we also were releasing module two, and that was finalized in April. So these two modules now have really all the information that our county partners and other stakeholders need to put together their integrated plan, which will be due.

  • Marlies Perez

    Person

    The draft of that will be due in March of 2026 and then the final in June of 2026. So really what's happening at the local level is they're really looking at all of this policy guidance, putting together the community planning process to build out that planning tool at the local level.

  • Marlies Perez

    Person

    And so, of course, we have other policy to be releasing that will be looking at our oversight and monitoring performance measures and also the reporting around behavioral health transformation, which is known as the Behavioral Health Outcomes Accountability and Transparency, or known as the voter.

  • Marlies Perez

    Person

    So that will be coming out, and we'll be, of course, working not only with our sister departments, but our other stakeholders as well as we continue to roll out that policy. So that will continue with the remaining parts of 2025 and into 2026.

  • Marlies Perez

    Person

    We're also really already been putting out technical assistance to our counties, providers and other state departments because this effort, there's a lot of change involved in this. Not only with the way that the funding components are laid out within bhsa, but it really does to its name transform the behavioral health system.

  • Marlies Perez

    Person

    In looking at all of the different funding sources that our behavioral health partners receive at the local level, one of your questions also is talking about the intersection between BHSA housing interventions and also our other efforts at DHCs in the housing space.

  • Marlies Perez

    Person

    So one of the key changes in BHSA is a dedication of 30% of funding for housing interventions. And so this funding is primarily dedicated to lift up more permanent supportive housing for individuals with behavioral health conditions. And that is of course for individuals that are chronically homeless, experiencing homelessness or at the risk of homelessness.

  • Marlies Perez

    Person

    And so they may utilize this funding for rental subsidies, operating subsidies, shared housing, which also includes recovery housing, family housing, the non federal share for transitional rent, other housing supports, and then project based housing assistance. Of this funding, 50% has to be used for individuals who are chronically homeless with a focus of serving those in encampments.

  • Marlies Perez

    Person

    Counties may also utilize up to 25% to support capital development of housing to serve the eligible population.

  • Marlies Perez

    Person

    So the housing intervention funds under BHSA are also intended to build upon other initiatives that we have at dhcs, including our Calaim community supports such as housing deposits, housing transition, navigation services, housing's tenancy and sustaining services, the transitional rent benefit that is also a newer benefit that is going to be available through our Medi Cal managed care plans.

  • Marlies Perez

    Person

    One important thing to note though, that the BHSA funds cannot be used to cover any services that are provided by the Medi Cal managed care plans. So we've really been working closely with our managed care partners and also our county behavioral health partners. As there's this intersection here with this funding.

  • Marlies Perez

    Person

    We've also been really making sure that individuals that may be receiving housing assistance under transitional rent, if they still, you know, go beyond that six month limit and qualify for the BHSA funds that there is a seamless transition.

  • Marlies Perez

    Person

    We've also been laying out some technical assistance and encouraging counties to look at developing flexible housing subsidy pools, also known as flex pool pools. This is a strategy that can be used for local partners, including counties, in a way to braid the funding that's available to support housing services.

  • Marlies Perez

    Person

    So it's a really great model for administrating and coordinating these funding streams. We have some counties that already have local flex pools, but we're really looking and encouraging them to increase that and increase that across California.

  • Marlies Perez

    Person

    I also just want to give a quick update on the other part of Behavioral Health transformation which is the Behavioral Health Bond. And so we have received in California the $6.4 billion bond. DHCS is administering up to 4.4 billion of these funds through our Behavioral Health Continuum Infrastructure Program. We released our RFA in 2024.

  • Marlies Perez

    Person

    That came back in December of 2024 and we are in the process of in this month here now that we're in May making the awards of up to 3.3 billion. So those awards will be coming out this month and we're really excited to have that released.

  • Marlies Perez

    Person

    And then that will what will follow after that is for the remaining funding and we'll be releasing our round two. Excuse me. Request for application thank you.

  • Akilah Weber Pierson

    Legislator

    Any comments from LAO Department of Finance? All right. Seeing no questions we will move to the next issue item. Thank you very much for that presentation. Behavioral Health Community Based Organization Networks of Equitable Care and treatment so BHConnect implementation thank you.

  • Unidentified Speaker

    Person

    Since you've said the full name for me, I will proceed to talk about BHConnect. And as you may know, BH Connect is a package of policies designed to strengthen and increase access to the continuum of community based behavioral health services for MEDI Cal Members who are living with significant behavioral health needs.

  • Unidentified Speaker

    Person

    As outlined in today's agenda, BH Connect includes multiple components. Several of these components require Medicaid Section 1115 demonstration waiver authority, while others will be implemented under California's Medicaid State Plan or other state level authorities. DHCS received critical federal approvals for these components of BHConnect in December 2024.

  • Unidentified Speaker

    Person

    From a fiscal standpoint, we did want to note that due to the timing of when our MEDI Cal estimates for the Governor's Budget were prepared, the November estimate does not reflect the final approved BHConnect waiver package.

  • Unidentified Speaker

    Person

    And so following that federal approval at the end of last year, DHCS has been working to develop a detailed multi year funding plan that captures projected expenditures of state, local and federal funds and we anticipate being able to share that additional detail on our spending plan as part of the May revision.

  • Unidentified Speaker

    Person

    And at that point we can include annualized breakdowns of costs and funding sources across the multi year demonstration. Right now we are focused on implementation of BHConnect with key components going live between now spring of 2025 and July 2026.

  • Unidentified Speaker

    Person

    DHCS has been actively collaborating with county Behavioral health MEDI Cal managed care plans and other stakeholders to develop policy guidance and has released quite a bit of guidance and draft for stakeholder feedback. Several of the BHConnect components will be implemented between now and July 1 or counties and other partners will be able to begin implementing them.

  • Unidentified Speaker

    Person

    These include our Access Reform and Outcomes Incentive Program. That program will make up to $1.9 billion available to rewards behavioral health plans for improved performance on quality metrics and we did release the guidance for the incentive program requirements on March 10th.

  • Unidentified Speaker

    Person

    We're happy to share that 45 counties who were eligible to participate in that incentive program have all submitted letters of commitment and do plan to proceed with earning incentives. Those counties cover 90% of medical Members.

  • Unidentified Speaker

    Person

    Beginning in April, counties have the option to cover new community based evidence based practices for adults in Medi Cal including highly effective models like assertive community Treatment, coordinated specialty care for first episode psychosis and supportive employment.

  • Unidentified Speaker

    Person

    Counties that commit to implementing new evidence based practices and meeting an array of quality milestones may also take up an opportunity to receive federal financial participation for short term stays in facilities designated as Institutions for Mental Disease or imds.

  • Unidentified Speaker

    Person

    Payments to the behavioral health plans for these services in IMDs must be reinvested in care for Medi-Cal Members with behavioral health needs.

  • Unidentified Speaker

    Person

    So we really want to emphasize that this opportunity for counties to receive additional federal funding for short term psychiatric care and IMDS is only available when those settings are part of a full continuum of care available to Members and counties can only opt into this opportunity if they also cover a full array of evidence based service models that are delivered in the community and have been proven to reduce the need for that more acute inpatient care.

  • Unidentified Speaker

    Person

    DHCS published our final guidance for the IMD opportunity and coverage of adult evidence based practices on April 11 and so counties may begin to implement these services on an optional basis in the coming months. Preliminary survey data from counties does indicate strong interest in taking up these new benefits.

  • Unidentified Speaker

    Person

    35 counties plan to implement at least one of our new evidence based practices and that would enhance coverage for 85% of our Medi-Cal Members.

  • Unidentified Speaker

    Person

    Also by July, DHCS will publish guidance to update existing coverage for several evidence based practices for children and youth and to strengthen and expand all of these new services and evidence based practices for both our children and adults.

  • Unidentified Speaker

    Person

    We are working working to contract with Centers of Excellence who will serve as technical assistance hubs to support counties and providers in high fidelity implementation of these models. So that takes us to July of 2025 and then a second wave of BHConnect components will be implemented between July and December this year.

  • Unidentified Speaker

    Person

    They include two initiatives to support child welfare involved Youth Activity Funds for Strength Building and Wellness and Joint Specialty Mental Health and Health provider and child welfare home visits. Also in the second half of this year, DHCS will finalize our guidance for the county option to implement Community Transition in REACH services.

  • Unidentified Speaker

    Person

    These are services to support adults who are returning to the community after longer stays, in, inpatient, subacute or residential facilities and then beginning in July, Medi-Cal managed care plans will have the option to begin covering transitional rent.

  • Unidentified Speaker

    Person

    Notably, mandatory coverage for Medi Cal Members with behavioral health needs is set to take effect in January 2026, with coverage for other eligible populations for transitional rent phased in after that. You heard earlier that DHCS is also partnering with our sister Department, HCAI to implement the BHCONNECT Workforce Initiative.

  • Unidentified Speaker

    Person

    We're looking forward to investing up to 1.9 billion to expand the behavioral health workforce with strong commitments for those providers to continue serving in Medi Cal settings. And finally, by January 2026, DHCS will release updated coverage requirements for high fidelity wraparound services for youth in Medi Cal with implementation to follow by July 2026.

  • Unidentified Speaker

    Person

    So we're excited, doing a lot on BHConnect and I'm happy to answer any questions.

  • Akilah Weber Pierson

    Legislator

    Thank you. Any comments from LAO Department of Finance? Okay, seeing no questions. Thank you so much for your presentation. We will now move to issue number five, Cognitive Health Assessment Training and Reporting.

  • Karen Mark

    Person

    Thank you. Good afternoon. My name is Dr. Karen Mark. I'm the Medical Director here at DHCS.

  • Karen Mark

    Person

    So the cognitive Health Assessment Training and Reporting Trailer Bill proposes to remove the requirement of provider Cognitive Health Assessment Training as a condition of payment for conducting an annual cognitive health assessment for Medi Cal Members who are 65 years of age or older if they're otherwise ineligible for a similar assessment as part of the annual wellness visit through the Medicare Program, the Cognitive Health Assessment benefit will otherwise remain unchanged and available to our providers and Members.

  • Karen Mark

    Person

    The Trailer Bill also proposes to remove the biannual mandatory reporting on the DHC website on the utilization of and payment for the Cognitive Health Assessment benefit. DHCS posted the first such report on December 29, 2023.

  • Karen Mark

    Person

    DHCS used funding from the Home and Community Based Services Spending Plan, which ended in January 2025, to Fund the development of the Cognitive Health Assessment training, maintenance of the website and Learning Management System, which houses the training and tracks provider training completion and provision of continuing medical education credits to providers who complete the training.

  • Karen Mark

    Person

    Since the HCBS spending Plan funds ended, DHCS's contractor, UCSF has obtained separate funding from West Health Institute to keep the training available. This funding expires September 30, 2026.

  • Karen Mark

    Person

    If or when UCSF is unable to continue to make the training available using their own funds, DHCS will strive to make a simplified version of the training available on the DHCS website. For example, this could be via PowerPoint slides. We definitely acknowledge the value of this training for providers.

  • Karen Mark

    Person

    However, without funding for an external contractor to maintain a learning management system and track training completion, we are unable to condition provider payment for the cognitive health assessment on training completion. The department's December 2023 report on the utilization of and payment for the Cognitive Health Assessment benefit has been downloaded 40 times in the last 12 months.

  • Karen Mark

    Person

    DHCs generally recommends removing website content with less than 500 views per year. DHCS will continue to provide data on utilization of the benefit upon request. Happy to take any questions.

  • Akilah Weber Pierson

    Legislator

    Thank you. Any comments from LAO Department of Finance? Thank you so much. Not seeing any questions. We will now move to issue number six, implementation of chapter legislation.

  • Unidentified Speaker

    Person

    Thank you. We are going to present two bills that impacted behavioral health at DHCS and I'll start with SB 1184 here. DHCS is requesting six permanent positions and expenditure authority of 1.1 million or 543,000 in General funds in this budget year.

  • Unidentified Speaker

    Person

    SB 1184 added new procedures for individuals who are subject to detention under the Lanterman, Petra Short or LPS act and who are also taking antipsychotic medications.

  • Unidentified Speaker

    Person

    And those provisions in the bill expanded the number of data elements that DHCS is responsible for collecting and reporting and increases the amount and the complexity of the data that we must address in our annual published reports.

  • Unidentified Speaker

    Person

    So the resources we are requesting here will really enable us to meet our statutory obligations to collect, analyze and report this data in an accurate and timely manner.

  • Akilah Weber Pierson

    Legislator

    Thank you. Not seeing any comments or questions.

  • Unidentified Speaker

    Person

    All right, one more so SB 1238 here. DHCS is requesting seven permanent positions and expenditure authority of 1,172,000 or 586,000 in this budget year.

  • Unidentified Speaker

    Person

    SB 1238 expands the types of facilities that are authorized to admit and treat individuals diagnosed with a severe substance use disorder or a co-occurring mental health condition and severe substance use disorder pursuant again to the LPS Act.

  • Unidentified Speaker

    Person

    The bill required the Department to develop and implement new facility designation guidelines for facilities designated by counties and approved by DHCS to provide involuntary evaluation and treatment.

  • Unidentified Speaker

    Person

    We are also required to issue guidance on Medi-Cal coverage of involuntary treatment for individuals with severe substance use disorder and to develop programmatic guidance to ensure that mental health rehabilitation centers and psychiatric health facilities licensed by DHCS can appropriately treat individuals with severe substance use disorders and provide timely access to medications for for addiction treatment.

  • Unidentified Speaker

    Person

    Those are new functions or responsibilities that mental health rehabilitation centers and psychiatric health facilities may take on.

  • Unidentified Speaker

    Person

    So the resources we're asking for here will enable us to implement this new guidance and engage in ongoing oversight of the facilities we license, the psychiatric health facilities and mental health rehabilitation centers, and after we go through a stakeholder process to issue the new LPS facility designation standards.

  • Unidentified Speaker

    Person

    DHCS is also responsible for ongoing review and approval of designated facilities. So we need these positions to help us meet these obligations again in a timely and effective manner. We don't want to see delays in approving new facility designations or barriers to our ability to exercise appropriate oversight of the facilities we license. Thank you.

  • Akilah Weber Pierson

    Legislator

    Thank you. Not saying anything. Thank you so much for your presentation. We will now move to public comment. If anyone would like to make a public comment here in room 1200, please come forward to the mic. Your public comment please limit to 1 minute or less. Thank you. You may begin.

  • Mark Farouk

    Person

    Thank you. Madam Chair Mark Farouk on behalf of the California Hospital Association, two items I wanted to comment on. First, the discussion related to the Office of Healthcare Affordability. Just want to thank the Committee for that detailed discussion. California's hospitals are committed to improving affordability, access, quality and equity.

  • Mark Farouk

    Person

    We remain deeply concerned that OKA has rushed to establish sub inflationary targets that do not reflect the rapidly growing costs faced by hospitals nor the potential disastrous consequences could cuts occur to the Medicaid program.

  • Mark Farouk

    Person

    We encourage the Legislature to continue to utilize its oversight authority to ensure that health care remains accessible and not subject to unrealistic caps that will reduce access and quality.

  • Mark Farouk

    Person

    And then on the second item, the hospital based diaper initiative that was discussed, I want to say that Cha would echo the comments made by Lao and the Senators on the Committee. Thank you.

  • Amy Durham

    Person

    Thank you. Thank you. Madam Chair and Committee Member Menjivar. My name is Amy Durham. I'm with NAMI Orange County. We run a 24/7 warm line that has lost all of our county funding. We are asking for a one time bridge funding that's been championed by our Orange County Senators Choi and Umberg.

  • Amy Durham

    Person

    The letter was also signed by our local Assembly Members. We serve the largest number of callers and then any other warm line in California, 800 per day. And that equates to a quarter of a million per year. What sets us apart is our 15 years worth of experience.

  • Amy Durham

    Person

    We employ 130 employees 110 identify as peers all set to lose their jobs on July 1st. We run like a 24/7 call center so people are not asked to leave a message. We answer their calls when they call and they don't have to wait.

  • Amy Durham

    Person

    We work with our local crisis intervention teams as a resource for officers so that they can we can continue the De-escalation process and they feel comfortable to leave a call. Thank you so much for your comment. Thank you.

  • Vanessa Cajina

    Person

    Thank you. Madam Chair and Senator Menjivar. Vanessa Cajina on behalf of the California Academy of Family Physicians, speaking specifically to the HCAI items, we really appreciate the work being done by HCAI to increase the number of family medicine physicians providing primary care around California.

  • Vanessa Cajina

    Person

    As such as we go into May Song Brown is a critical program that is needed to train the future workforce.

  • Vanessa Cajina

    Person

    As we approach may revise, we flag maintaining existing Song Brown Fund levels and hope to work with HCAI to identify stable funding sources for primary care residency training with the depletion of the Prop $56 in a pending deficit. Thank you so much for your attention and dedication.

  • Akilah Weber Pierson

    Legislator

    Thank you.

  • Allison Barnett

    Person

    Good afternoon Madam Chair and Members. Allison Barnett with Platinum Advisors here on behalf of Sutter Health and would just echo the comments of Cha with relation to the OCA item and all of the discussion there. Thank you so much.

  • Akilah Weber Pierson

    Legislator

    Thank you.

  • Alfredo Medina

    Person

    Good afternoon Madam Chair and Senator Menjivar, Fredo Medina here with Manat Phillips and Phillips on behalf of Cottage Health representing Santa Barbara Cottage Hospital.

  • Alfredo Medina

    Person

    Also here to align our comments with those of CHA and our colleagues and we urge this Subcommitee along with the Legislature to revise to direct OKA to revise its methodology to meet statutory criteria and to protect access to care. We appreciate your letter as well. Thank you.

  • Akilah Weber Pierson

    Legislator

    Thank you.

  • Jonathan Clay

    Person

    Good afternoon Madam Chair, Committee Members Jonathan Clay here on behalf of the Scripps Health. Not to sound like a broken record, but going to keep it short and just say we echo the CHA comments. We appreciate your comments in the letter related to the OKA process.

  • Jonathan Clay

    Person

    We don't think that that 3.5% cap accurately reflects those factors that are driving costs. We haven't had a baseline increase in medi Cal in 10 years with those issues. Thank you very much.

  • Akilah Weber Pierson

    Legislator

    Thank you Chair.

  • Kathleen Mossburg

    Person

    Members Kathy Mossberg on behalf of Essential Access Health just want to comment on one of the H chime items under the items for investment. Essential Access is proud to partner with HC to serve as the administrator for the uncompensated grant program. This program is going to be running out of money.

  • Kathleen Mossburg

    Person

    We are asking for additional funds to be put there. This funding ensures abortion and contraceptive services are affordable and accessible and works to stabilize our safety net providers who provide low and sometimes no cost services. Since January 2023 when the program began, we have awarded over $27 million and we've served over 130,000 patients.

  • Kathleen Mossburg

    Person

    So we look forward to working with you all and the Administration to find these funds. Thank you. Thank you.

  • Christine Smith

    Person

    Christine Smith with Health Access California. We support safeguarding full amount of California's Health Care Affordability Reserve Fund about 300 million to restore California's Premium Assistance Program and partially backfill federal premium subsidies at risk under the Trump Administration.

  • Christine Smith

    Person

    While these funds won't replace the $1.7 billion federal investment, they can still go far to prevent a catastrophic drop Catastrophic drop off in affordability in 2026 regarding HCAI, we supported the multi year effort to enact the Office of Healthcare Affordability and continue to be our participants in its work today.

  • Christine Smith

    Person

    We do support the 3% cost statewide cost growth target set by OKA based on median family income and the recent decision to set a lower target that will slow spending for hospitals that are charging as much as five times what Medicare is charging for the same service.

  • Christine Smith

    Person

    We continue to support Calorx's work to produce and distribute insulin and Naloxone to increase affordability and access to these life saving medicines. Thank you. Thank you.

  • Erin Taylor

    Person

    Good afternoon Chair and Members. Erin Taylor with political solutions on behalf of Memorial Care, a nonprofit healthcare system based out of Southern California with four hospitals and over 200 sites of care.

  • Erin Taylor

    Person

    Speaking to the Office of healthcare affordability item for over 10 years, Memorial Care has been revolutionizing value based care to improve access to quality care for patients and at the same time drive down a total cost of care.

  • Erin Taylor

    Person

    As they have learned, it takes time to shift business strategies and build a network to support these efforts and time is needed for other health systems to follow. Today, time is what we're asking for this Committee to consider.

  • Erin Taylor

    Person

    Today we see the Office of Healthcare Affordability moving ahead on initiatives without robust data sources and analysis, as well as a fundamental lack of understanding about how health systems and hospitals are paid differently by public and commercial payers. Since July 2023, Memorial Care's President and CEO, Dr.

  • Erin Taylor

    Person

    Barry Arbuckle has volunteered his time to serve on OCHA's Advisory Committee and during those meetings he has publicly shared that time is needed for the OKA Board to look at data and plan for changes in healthcare.

  • Nicette Short

    Person

    Thank you.

  • Erin Taylor

    Person

    Thank you.

  • Nicette Short

    Person

    Nisette Short on behalf of peach, representing Community Safety Net hospitals and Rady Children's Health. We remain concerned that the Office of Health Care Affordability has not conducted any analysis to ensure that the work that they are doing will not have a detrimental impact on access to care for our vulnerable communities.

  • Nicette Short

    Person

    We appreciate the Chair's active engagement and the questions from this Committee today and urge the Legislature to continue their rigorous oversight prior to any implementation. Thank you. Thank you.

  • Angela Pontes

    Person

    Good afternoon. Angela Pontus on behalf of Planned Parenthood Affiliates of California in support of a $40 million reinvestment in the uncompensated care grant program to cover the cost of abortion and abortion related care in 2019, California Planned Parenthood health centers alone wrote off almost $9 million to cover the cost of care for patients who could not afford it.

  • Angela Pontes

    Person

    Replenishing uncompensated care funding is critical for Planned Parenthood and other reproductive health providers. Thank you.

  • Akilah Weber Pierson

    Legislator

    Thank you.

  • Connie Delgado

    Person

    Good afternoon, Madam Chair and Members. Connie Delgado, on behalf of the District Hospital Leadership Forum. These are the 33 district and municipal hospitals in the state. Want to thank you and the Members of the Committee for your questions.

  • Connie Delgado

    Person

    Our Members were disappointed to see that the Office of Healthcare Affordability adopted hospital specific spending targets before collecting any data or evaluating the impact of healthcare access to those communities. We believe these actions are premature and will lead these standalone facilities to make difficult decisions to reduce or eliminate services seriously impacting access to health care for Californians.

  • Connie Delgado

    Person

    Thank you.

  • Akilah Weber Pierson

    Legislator

    Thank you.

  • Kelly Brooks

    Person

    Kelly Brooks on behalf of the California Association of Public Hospitals and Health Systems.

  • Kelly Brooks

    Person

    As the Office of Health Care Affordability seeks to develop its enforcement policies and how it will assess hospitals performance against the spending target, we are particularly concerned about the unique attributes of public health care systems that may not be appropriately accounted for, including the role these systems play in supporting the financing of the Medi-Cal program which equates to roughly $4 billion annually, or in providing highly specialized services to their communities such as trauma and burn care and major organ transplants, among other issues.

  • Kelly Brooks

    Person

    This is especially troublesome at the time when this health care safety net is already facing significant threats to Medicaid at the federal level. We appreciate OKA's acknowledgment of a number of these concerns and urge continued partnership on these important issues to avoid any harms to access to care in our communities. Thank you. Thank you.

  • Joshua Gauger

    Person

    Good afternoon. Josh Gauger on behalf of the California Association of Diaper Banks. We appreciate the Laos analysis of the Governor's diaper proposal which includes leveraging our network and expanding it statewide. Our network enjoys current partnerships with hospitals utilizing prior rounds of state funding and we are prepared to engage in discussions on how to expand those partnerships.

  • Joshua Gauger

    Person

    Our robust network of organizations and our partner agencies also provide diapers with regularity at dedicated diaper banks, food banks, FQHCs, county social services agencies, WIC programs and through community based organizations.

  • Joshua Gauger

    Person

    But current funding for our diaper bank network expires at the end of the current fiscal year and without continued funding, the diaper banks will cease operations in much of the state on July 1st.

  • Timothy Madden

    Person

    thank you.

  • Timothy Madden

    Person

    We look forward to exploring ways to continue diaper distribution utilizing our existing network thank you.

  • Timothy Madden

    Person

    Madam Chair Senator menjivar, Tim Madden representing the California Chapter of the American College of Emergency Physicians and Madam Chair, with your leadership Last year, in recognition of the unique challenges facing emergency physicians, the Legislature approved $100 million of managed care organization funds be allocated towards the emergency physicians contingent on what happened with Proposition 35.

  • Timothy Madden

    Person

    As we know, Prop 35 passed and when looking at the delays that are currently happening, there's a real probability that there will be no funds distributed in 2025. As such recently, the emergency physicians are now requesting the same allocation as last year to be used in the same fashion in this year's budget and we appreciate your consideration.

  • Akilah Weber Pierson

    Legislator

    Thank you.

  • George Cruz

    Person

    Good afternoon Chair Members George Cruz on behalf of the California Behavioral Health Association, first, we strongly support the continued investments in the HCI workforce programs. These investments help us grow help us grow a behavioral health workforce that mirrors the communities they serve because they offer the supports in ways that feel relatable and are real to our communities.

  • George Cruz

    Person

    Second, we want to highlight the need for better negotiation rates, more seamless access to provider network, and increased accountability for health plans who contract with providers. As new systems roll out, it's crucial that behavioral health providers have a seat at the table.

  • George Cruz

    Person

    Without that, we risk creating systems that don't work for the people they are meant to serve. Lastly, we urge the Department of Healthcare Services to continue strengthening both financially and technical support for behavioral health providers, especially with Prop 1 now moving forward.

  • George Cruz

    Person

    A lot is being asked of our community based organizations and they're doing the work, but they need stable, flexible resources to keep showing up for Californians in need. Thank you for your time and for keeping behavioral health a priority in the budget conversation.

  • Akilah Weber Pierson

    Legislator

    Thank you.

  • Bryant Miramontes

    Person

    Chair Committee Member Brian Miramontes with the American Federation of State County Municipal Employees. I just want to express our appreciation for the work of the Legislature and the Administration for your work on passing and implementing the Office of Health Care Affordability.

  • Bryant Miramontes

    Person

    We do understand that there are concerns raised today, but want to reiterate that despite the work of this body to make health care costs more accessible and affordable, we do. We all are fully aware that high health care costs continue to be one diagnosis or accident away from financial ruin for working families.

  • Bryant Miramontes

    Person

    And so we support OKA's cap at 3% and further for higher cost hospitals to address this issue. Specifically because it aims to prevent the costs from growing at the rate that they have already been growing for decades. The intent is not to necessarily lower the costs, but to contain them and prevent them from continuing to skyrocket.

  • Bryant Miramontes

    Person

    I want to continue working with the Committee to achieve that goal. Appreciate it.

  • Akilah Weber Pierson

    Legislator

    Thank you.

  • Omar Altamimi

    Person

    Omar Altamimi here on behalf of the California Pan Ethnic Health Network. With respect to HCI, we'd like to express support for issue six, the long term funding for the hpd.

  • Omar Altamimi

    Person

    HPD is a groundbreaking new source of data that will allow California to examine costs and access trends and develop public policy that drives towards lower costs, greater access and equity. A stable, ongoing funding resource is critical for this work and we support use of Managed Care Fund Dollars for this purpose.

  • Omar Altamimi

    Person

    With respect to HCAI's workforce, 3% of the BHSA is allocated to HCAI to develop and implement a Behavioral Health workforce initiative.

  • Omar Altamimi

    Person

    And we support the request for HCAI to engage diverse stakeholders, including representatives from policy and advocacy organizations, direct service providers and county staff to develop strategies for training, supporting and retaining the county behavioral health workforce, including peer support specialists.

  • Omar Altamimi

    Person

    Finally, we urge the Administration Legislature to strengthen the explicit focus on reducing racial disparities through BHSA funding, including holding counties accountable for meeting measurable equity goals. Thank you.

  • Whitney Francis

    Person

    Thank you. Good afternoon. Chair Whitney Francis with the Wisdom center on Law and Poverty. We support the establishment and goal of the Office of Health Care Affordability. More than a third of Californians have medical debt with hospital debt being the largest component. So I appreciate that.

  • Whitney Francis

    Person

    The board has voted to approve cost growth targets on family income growth and what Californians can afford. We also support safeguarding the full amount of California's Health Care Affordability Reserve Fund to restore California's Premium Assistance Program and partially backfill federal premium subsidies that are at risk under the current Administration.

  • Whitney Francis

    Person

    Finally, the Diaper Bank Network has the existing infrastructure to distribute effectively to those in need. So we support the request for Diaper bank funding to continue operations and provide free diapers and wipes to low income families struggling to afford diapers. Thank you. Thank you.

  • Michael Zaragoza

    Person

    Good afternoon. Excuse me. Michael Zaragoza. On behalf of Hispanic 100 Central Valley Latino Elected Officials Coalition, Sisypede, Kern Tulare, Fresno Kings and the Central Valley Yemen Society. This is in regard to the Children and Youth Behavioral Health Initiative. The CYBHI provides needed online behavioral services for youth and young adults that might go untreated otherwise without this option.

  • Michael Zaragoza

    Person

    This program meets our Members where they are at, mostly online, especially in rural areas and those with non traditional working hours. This is another option and it which is needed now more than ever considering federal immigration policy is creating an emotional crisis in many communities that we represent. Thank you.

  • Diana Luna

    Person

    Thank you. Diana Luna with the County Behavioral Health Directors Association, also known as CBHDA, representing California's 58 county behavioral health directors respectfully urging the Legislature to reject the Behavioral Health Bridge housing proposal elimination proposal.

  • Diana Luna

    Person

    This elimination would result in a six month to one year gap between the current housing subsidies underway and the transitional rent benefit and BHSA housing support. We'd also urge the Legislature to consider funding county behavioral health departments with implementation SB 525 across County Behavioral health departments. Thank you. Thank you.

  • Esther Flores

    Person

    Good afternoon Chairmembers Esther Flores with on behalf of the California Farm Worker Foundation. At the California Farm Worker foundation, our mission is to support the well being of farmworkers across various counties in California through data driven, data driven initiatives that address their most pressing needs.

  • Esther Flores

    Person

    Among the many challenges our communities face, access to mental health resources remain one of the most challenging, critical and often overlooked barriers to long term well being. Soluna has become a vital partner in helping us close this gap.

  • Esther Flores

    Person

    As a culturally responsive telehealth platform, Soluna addresses farmworker communities mental health experience including language barriers, transportation limitations and overall accessibility. Through their available resources, we're proud to support Saluna knowing firsthand the relief and empowerment it brings to our communities.

  • Esther Flores

    Person

    By continuing to integrate solutions like Saluna, we affirm our commitment to building stronger and healthier communities where farm workers are seen, heard and supported. Thank you.

  • Akilah Weber Pierson

    Legislator

    Thank you.

  • Edwin Rivera

    Person

    Good afternoon Madam Chair. Committee Members Edwin Rivera from Latino Health Access in Santa Ana, California is an unprecedented facing unprecedented youth mental health crisis that traditional behavioral health systems alone cannot solve. At Latino Health Access we see firsthand the barriers families face every day. Long waits, insurance limitations, provider shortages, transportation challenges, language barriers and stigma.

  • Edwin Rivera

    Person

    Especially in the Latino community where seeking help is often misunderstood or discouraged. Digital platforms are now a vital part of California's mental health ecosystem. They meet youth where they are on their phones in real time, with services available in multiple languages and virtually no wait.

  • Edwin Rivera

    Person

    One strong example is Soluna, which offers coaching and tools with an average wait time of just under 4 minutes compared to 35 months wait often for other service. For many young people, platforms like this provide their first and only source of mental support helping them before escalate issues in emergency rooms or school based interventions.

  • Edwin Rivera

    Person

    So thank you very much.

  • Selena Raphael

    Person

    Good afternoon. Selena Lou Raphael from the California alliance of Child and Family Services as our over 160 provider Members serve children, youth and families across all 58 counties, we echo Senator Mendevar sentiment that we are over the moon about the $1.9 billion outlined in the BH Connect Workforce Initiative.

  • Selena Raphael

    Person

    As stated, workforce issues including recruitment and retention have been ongoing for a very long time. Also on workforce and consumer access, we appreciate DMHC's partnership in making sure plans cover all eligible healthcare providers including associates and trainees as defined in SB 855 and DMHC regulations and on CUI BHI. We appreciate all of the comments from the panel.

  • Selena Raphael

    Person

    We highly encourage hearing more from CBOs on the ongoing fee schedule implementation and recommend that CBOs be included in the support of schools as these orgs already have the experience and mechanisms in place to Bill and can help LEAs in this process. Thank you.

  • Meghan Loper

    Person

    Thank you. Good afternoon. Megan Loper on behalf of the United Hospital Association speaking to the Office of of Healthcare Affordability Items, would align our comments with those of the California Hospital Association. Really appreciate the legislative letter and engagement by the Chair and Members and asking questions. We are concerned about the speed at which the Department is moving.

  • Meghan Loper

    Person

    Thank you so much.

  • Lisa Gresham

    Person

    Thank you, thank you Madam Chair and Committee Members. My name is Lisa Sun Gresham and I live in Sacramento County. I'm here today in support of the California Purun Warm Line which provides accessible mental health and emotional support and service linkages to all Californians.

  • Lisa Gresham

    Person

    I'm the Director of Community Programs at the Mental Health Association of San Francisco which administers the California Warm Line. I identify as a peer with lived experience.

  • Lisa Gresham

    Person

    I'm an autistic queer, person of color, a first generation college and graduate school alumni, a sister of an 82nd Airborne Division veteran and an adult child of an incarcerated parent immigrant mother. Our peer staff are focused and found all across California with in depth training, high quality peer informed interventions and heartfelt advocacy.

  • Lisa Gresham

    Person

    Our peers provide a proven cost effective alternative to crisis interventions, reducing the burden on an already overstretched emergency services systems. The California Peer Run helped me and please make sure that it's there for the next person in need. Thank you for your time. Thank you.

  • Jonathan Bennett

    Person

    Thank you Madam Chair and Committee Members. My name is Jonathan Bennett and I live in Sacramento County. I am here as a member of MHASF Mental Health Association of San Francisco, as a warm line counselor.

  • Jonathan Bennett

    Person

    As someone who has experienced my own share of struggles in life, I understand how important it can be to connect with others and to feel supported when things may otherwise seem hopeless. The California Peer Run Warm Line provides invaluable, accessible mental health and emotional support to individuals that are desperately looking for that lifeline.

  • Jonathan Bennett

    Person

    Every day as a Warm Line counselor, I speak with people facing housing insecurity, mental health struggles, and the emotional toll of being unseen by our healthcare system. The Warm Line is one of the few accessible services that provides immediate emotional support without cost, without judgment, and without waiting months for help.

  • Jonathan Bennett

    Person

    So I just ask the following that you please don't hang up on Californians and do in fact continue the Warm Line's funding. Thank you.

  • Sarah Hoover

    Person

    Thank you Madam Chair and Committee Members. My name is Sarah Singh Hoover. I reside in Sacramento County. As an employee of the Warm Line as well as someone who has lived with mental health issues illness, I am here today in support of the California Peer Run Warm Line.

  • Sarah Hoover

    Person

    The California Warm Line has supported over half a million calls, texts and chats and has provided a proven cost effective alternative to crisis interventions, reducing the burden on already overstretched emergency systems.

  • Sarah Hoover

    Person

    Just like our callers, the California Warm Line peer counselors come from all walks of life, offering help from people who understand different cultural backgrounds and identities, ensuring callers feel heard and valued. In closing, the Warm Line helps people before they reach a crisis and without cost.

  • Sarah Hoover

    Person

    Without the Warm Line, more people will suffer in silence or be forced into crisis services. I strongly encourage investment in the mental health continuum of care for all Californians and urge the Subcommitee, the Legislature and Administration to add the recommended funding of CalHope, California Peer Run Warm Line and the Spanish Warm Line in this year's state budget.

  • Sarah Hoover

    Person

    Thank you for your time.

  • Peter Murphy

    Person

    Good afternoon, Madam Chair. Thanks for this opportunity to address the Committee. My name is Peter Murphy. I'm also here on behalf of the Warm Line. Our budget ask is actually part of the agenda listed on page 105 to give you a little bit more detail, but I want to talk today about.

  • Peter Murphy

    Person

    Well, first I want to thank Senator Ashby for championing our Bill, our Budget Ask, and also Senators Becker and Umberg and Archuleta who signed onto it as well. I want to highlight one aspect of the Warm Line that I think is really important.

  • Peter Murphy

    Person

    As challenges arise, the Warm Line is there to provide relief depending on the circumstances facing our community. As the COVID pandemic emerged in 2020, the Warm Line adapted to provide the support and information Californians needed to survive the uncertainty, grief and distress that COVID created.

  • Peter Murphy

    Person

    Warmline support and resources are there for those devastated by the wildfires in Southern California earlier this year. The Warm Line has been experiencing greater call volume than ever in the past few months and we attribute.

  • Peter Murphy

    Person

    We attribute this need for those needing support around the wildfires, but also in response to the uncertainty and distress created by our current federal Administration who are eliminating and threatening to eliminate services that many of us support. Thank you for your time.

  • Akilah Weber Pierson

    Legislator

    Thank you.

  • Brittany Schroeder

    Person

    Thank you Madam Chair and Committee Members, My name is Brittany Schroeder and I reside in San Mateo County. I am a Warm Line program manager and want to let you know about our linguistic services as we provide translation services for over 240 foreign languages.

  • Brittany Schroeder

    Person

    We also developed the Spanish Warm Line with bilingual staff on all three of our shifts to serve as an option for those seeking support in Spanish. During this current fiscal year alone, we have answered over 2,000 calls from Spanish language callers.

  • Brittany Schroeder

    Person

    Mental health is often stigmatized in Latinx communities and in addition to an ever present language barrier to accessing mental health services, the Spanish Warm Line takes pride in breaking down the stigma and language barrier, providing a safe space for Spanish speaking callers to receive support from a peer counselor who also speaks Spanish.

  • Brittany Schroeder

    Person

    With continued funding, we can continue to serve Latinx communities alongside other underserved communities. Thank you for your consideration.

  • Akilah Weber Pierson

    Legislator

    Thank you.

  • Unidentified Speaker

    Person

    Hello, Madam Chair and Committee Members. My name is Sunny. I reside in Sonoma County. I'm also here to voice my support for the Warm Line.

  • Unidentified Speaker

    Person

    As someone with lived experience, both as a supporter of family Members with mental health conditions and a survivor of trauma and substance addiction, I know firsthand how vital it is to have someone to talk to, someone that will listen without judgment and simply be present when you need it most.

  • Unidentified Speaker

    Person

    Not everyone has the resources to access therapy and the Warm Line provides an essential alternative. The chance to connect with a trained peer, someone who has been there, who understands and who offers support rooted in both empathy and experience. This kind of connection can be life changing and also some cases, life saving.

  • Unidentified Speaker

    Person

    Our program, like the Warm Line, are not just helpful, they're essential to building compassionate, accessible mental health system for everyone. I urge you to continue supporting this critical service so that no one has to feel alone in their struggle. Thank you for your time.

  • Akilah Weber Pierson

    Legislator

    Thank you.

  • Echo Seisis

    Person

    May it please Madam Chair and the Committee Members, My name is Echo Seisis. I'm a clinical hypnotherapist and immigrant and one of the public speakers for Sacramento County Stop Stigma on Mental Illness Project and the Bay Area Outreach and Event Coordinator for the organization that runs the Warm Line.

  • Echo Seisis

    Person

    I'm here to be the voice for the kid in high school who lives with an intellectual disability. He has no friends, but gets the friendship and genuine empathy he deserves because he can reach out to us. When I remembered he loves to drink 2 cups of coffee a day, only decaf, just think of what that means to someone who otherwise has no one else there for them.

  • Echo Seisis

    Person

    The elderly lady who I got to speak with, who's quite popular at her local CVS, though her own family never comes to visit her. But she can visit us up to three times a day just by picking up her phone. And the way she raved, I still wish I could taste her Thanksgiving yams.

  • Echo Seisis

    Person

    There's no emotion I've ever experienced that you probably also haven't also experienced in your lifetime. You know what it's like to get up in the morning and do your best for others despite what they might think. And somewhere in there, also find time to be kind to yourself.

  • Echo Seisis

    Person

    Imagine what your challenges would be like if you knew you could always pick up the phone, not even have to use your real name, and always be able to talk with someone day or night who's not only trained but genuinely cares about what you are going through.

  • Akilah Weber Pierson

    Legislator

    Thank you so much.

  • Echo Seisis

    Person

    You're welcome. Thank you.

  • Latisha Johnson

    Person

    Hi. Good afternoon, Madam Chair, esteemed Members of the Committee. My name is Latisha Andrews Johnson. I'm a proud native of Oakland now living in Sacramento. Though I hold degrees in sociology and business, I consider myself a superhero overnight, one of nine Overnight Coordinator-, Coordinators for the California Peer Run Warm Line.

  • Latisha Johnson

    Person

    I'm also the mother of three beautiful, intelligent young black girls, each navigating their own mental and emotional challenges and a husband who is suffering through a substance abuse addiction. And I'm a woman whose life has been transformed by the peer support. This Warm Line is the heart of a sick and struggling system.

  • Latisha Johnson

    Person

    Every night I witness lives saved through real human connection. Yet we are here pleading for funding like it's optional. It's not. If this had existed in the 80s or 90s, my parents might still be alive. Addiction wouldn't have been their only way to cope. My daughters might have their grandparents.

  • Latisha Johnson

    Person

    That's the power of 15 minutes of genuine support three times a day. We're not wanting the for the government to save us. We're saving each other. But without hope, we have nothing. Faith is the substance of things hoped for and the evidence unseen, of things unseen.

  • Latisha Johnson

    Person

    So we ask that you turn this hope into evidence by funding the California Peer Run Warm Line. Thank you.

  • Akilah Weber Pierson

    Legislator

    Thank you.

  • Natalie Guzzetti

    Person

    Hi. Thank you, Madam Chair and Committee Members. My name is Natalie Guzzetti and I live in Sonoma County. I am here today in support of the California Peer Run warmline which provides accessible mental health and emotional support for all Californians.

  • Natalie Guzzetti

    Person

    I am personally in recovery from substance use addiction and I live with mental health challenges and I'm so grateful I finally am able to use my past struggles and lived experience as a source of support for those who need it the most.

  • Natalie Guzzetti

    Person

    Working as a Warm Line Counselor the California Warm Line is a safe place where you can talk to someone without fear, without judgment and without cost. Before I wrap up, I'd like to highlight perhaps one of the biggest benefits of the Warm Line, which is that our services prevent suicide, abuse, assault and crises.

  • Natalie Guzzetti

    Person

    A lot of our callers have expressed uncertainty and calling crisis hotlines due to possible emergency intervention. They come to us to ensure confidentiality and support from our school counselors who are trained in de-escalation strategies. Thank you so much.

  • Avonelle Hanley-Mills

    Person

    Good afternoon Madam Chair and Committee Members. My name is Avonelle Hanley-Mills. I live in Solana County. I'm here today to support the California Peer Run Warm Line which provides accessible mental health emotional support and system linked services for all Californians.

  • Avonelle Hanley-Mills

    Person

    The California Warm Line provides a proven cost effective alternative to crisis interventions, reducing the burden on already outstretched emergency systems. This is an interventive safe place without judgment and fear. Mental health wellness is critical for survival. Unwellness and crisis causes challenges. It is life threatening.

  • Avonelle Hanley-Mills

    Person

    Callers are valued, accepted and hope delayed, recovery then viewed as long term and possible. I strongly encourage investment in the mental health continuum of care for all Californians and urge this Subcommitee, the Legislature, and Administration to add the recommended funding of the CalHope California Peer Run Line and the Spanish Warm Line in this year's state budget.

  • Akilah Weber Pierson

    Legislator

    Thank you.

  • Avonelle Hanley-Mills

    Person

    Thank you.

  • Unidentified Speaker

    Person

    Good afternoon Madam Chair and Committee Members. My name is Kate. I'm also here in support of the California Peer Run Warm Line. As MHASF's outreach and events coordinator here in Sacramento, I've been able to see the warmline's very powerful impact firsthand.

  • Unidentified Speaker

    Person

    I had the privilege of meeting a young social worker who shared with me that that she regularly uses the Warm Line and now she recommends it to all her clients she serves. She actually first heard about it from her own therapist who had relied on the Warmline after they had lost a client.

  • Unidentified Speaker

    Person

    That simple recommendation created a very powerful ripple effect of support reaching both providers and the people they serve. This is the power of peer support and why continued funding for the Warmline is so important. Thank you.

  • Akilah Weber Pierson

    Legislator

    Thank you.

  • Corinita Reyes

    Person

    Thank you, Madam Chair and Committee Members. I'm Corinita Reyes and I'm here today because as a person who hears voices, has visions in extreme states, psychiatrists told me I was schizophrenic and would never work full time or live independently. It was devastating to hear.

  • Corinita Reyes

    Person

    But thankfully, a network of vital peer services, including the California Peer Warm Line, has helped me achieve full time employment. I'm able to pay rent, pay my bills and I live life on my own terms. Not just a crisis line, having a Warm Line that is statewide 24/7, 365, and rooted in peer values makes all the difference.

  • Corinita Reyes

    Person

    The Peer Warm Line has been instrumental in my wellness as well as other resources such as support groups and peer respites which are rooted in peer values and recovery. I even sat on the MHSOAC's cultural linguistics incompetence Committee for years thanks to peer services including the Peer Warm Line.

  • Corinita Reyes

    Person

    This vital service not only helps to support Independence, it helps to create active community Members and saves lives and saves the state money.

  • Akilah Weber Pierson

    Legislator

    Thank you.

  • Stephanie Wong

    Person

    Good afternoon Madam Chair and Committee Members. My name is Stephanie Wong and I live in Alameda County. I am the Creative Director at MHASF and I would like to bring attention to another important aspect provided by the California Peer Run Warm Line.

  • Stephanie Wong

    Person

    From the state funding that was approved in 2022, we've been able to form the Warm Line Federation which is a partnership of smaller warmlines providing services throughout the state.

  • Stephanie Wong

    Person

    As our Federal Government has curtailed and threatened many of our community services, we are very proud to be able to support these different Warmlines, many of which are culturally and linguistically specific.

  • Stephanie Wong

    Person

    These include the California Youth Crisis Line, which supports youth in California, the CalHope Red Line which serves the Native American community, HugSpace, which serves those affected by the war in Ukraine and offers support in Ukrainian, Russian and in English, and the Mental Health Association of Chinese Communities who have Mandarin, Cantonese and English speaking staff.

  • Stephanie Wong

    Person

    As a Chinese-American, I can attest to the impact that this great service provides for those experiencing discrimination and hate crimes in Chinese speaking communities.

  • Akilah Weber Pierson

    Legislator

    Thank you.

  • Stephanie Wong

    Person

    Thank you.

  • Jared Moss

    Person

    Good afternoon. Jared Moss on behalf of UC Health speaking on OHCA. University of California Health supports OHCA's work to improve affordability while maintaining access and ensuring equity. OHCA's implementation and enforcement of cost targets must consider UC Health's unique role as the state's public academic health system.

  • Jared Moss

    Person

    UC Health and its six academic health centers and 21 health professional schools provide care to patients from 91% of California zip codes, particularly care for complex health conditions that is not available at community hospitals. UC Health also trains the state's future healthcare workforce and conducts clinical research to discover life changing treatments and cures.

  • Jared Moss

    Person

    UC Health is the second largest provider of MediCal inpatient services. We are designated public hospitals for the purposes of the MediCal program and as a public entity. Most of UC's MediCal revenues are reimbursed through self finance payments.

  • Jared Moss

    Person

    UC Health is also making significant investments to meet the state's health care needs by expanding capacity and services for vulnerable communities as many other hospitals and health systems cut critical services or exit the market.

  • Jared Moss

    Person

    We appreciate OHCA's engagement and look forward to partnering to meet the state's affordability goals while ensuring that UC can continue. UC also supports the BHConnect workforce.

  • Sarah Flynn

    Person

    Thank you Madam Chair and Committee Members. My name is Sarah Jean Flynn and I live in Alameda County. I'm here today in support of the California Peer Run Warm Line. I'm the Vice President of Warm Line Programs at MHASF, which also includes the CalHope Warmline, the statewide Spanish Warmline and the California Warm Line Federation.

  • Sarah Flynn

    Person

    When the state first funded the California Warm Line in 2019, we were receiving about 2,000 calls per month. That number has skyrocketed to nearly 40,000 in March alone.

  • Sarah Flynn

    Person

    About 10% of those calls come from the LGBTQ community and right now services for LGBTQ Americans like me are under attack, as seen in the leaked draft budget proposing to cut national suicide hotline support for LGBTQ youth. This is a frightening time for our LGBTQ community. Please don't let the lights go out on the California Warm Line.

  • Sarah Flynn

    Person

    It's a life saving mental health resource that supports all Californians. Thank you.

  • Akilah Weber Pierson

    Legislator

    Thank you.

  • Tim Lewandowski

    Person

    Good afternoon, I'm Tim Lewandowski. I'm the COO of MHASF on behalf of the Warm Line. Let's think about where Warm Line callers would turn to if this critical resource disappeared. 15% more than 14,000 human beings state that they would have turned to 911 and or emergency departments in crisis if it weren't for the warmline.

  • Tim Lewandowski

    Person

    Simply in terms of financial impact, this leads to an estimated annual savings of between 30 and 60 million dollars in ED visits alone. Based on admission data, this would be another $36 million in inpatient stays.

  • Tim Lewandowski

    Person

    It's critical to note that provision of these services maximizes the ROI by simply removing the overhead of a third party payer that we've heard about. Refunding requests therefore presents an opportunity for a 500% return on investment if we continue to invest in the Warm Line. In closing, we know that access is a critical barrier. We heard that throughout today. What would Happen if those 14,000 human beings presented to the emergency department? Thank you.

  • Mark Salazar

    Person

    All right, I'm the last one, right? Good afternoon, Madam Chair and Members of the Committee. I'm Mark Salazar, CEO of MHASF, which oversees the Warm Line. Today is May 1st and is the beginning of Mental Health Awareness Month. But mental health and emotional distress doesn't just happen in May. They are lived every day by millions of Americans.

  • Mark Salazar

    Person

    Right now, nearly 6.6 million California adults have reported experiencing a mental health episode in the past year. However, vital services like the Warm Line that support struggling individuals are being targeted for major cuts. California must not follow in those footsteps by sacrificing the health of already struggling individuals and families.

  • Mark Salazar

    Person

    Over the next few years, we project over 100,000 Californians will call our center with over through, over a million calls, texts and chats. So I respectfully ask that the state continue investing in this vital resource at $20 million annually through 2028. While this is a $20 million ask, it's also nearly $100 million annual savings. Thank you for your time and consideration.

  • Akilah Weber Pierson

    Legislator

    Thank you. All right, seeing that there is no one else asking or wanting to testify, I want to thank all of the individuals who participated in public testimony today. If you are unable to testify, please submit your comments or suggestions in writing to the Senate Committee on Budget and Fiscal Review Review or visit our website.

  • Akilah Weber Pierson

    Legislator

    Your comments and suggestions are important and we want to be able to include your testimony in the official hearing records. Thank you all so much today. I appreciate your participation. And this hearing of Budget Subcommitee 3 on Health and Human Services is adjourned.

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