Assembly Standing Committee on Higher Education
- Mike Fong
Legislator
Good afternoon. The Assembly Higher Education Committee is now called to order. Welcome to the last policy hearing on Senate bills by the Assembly Higher Education Committee. Whether you are here in person or watching virtually, I extend warm greetings to each and every one of you.
- Mike Fong
Legislator
I want to go over some key elements of the structure of today's hearing. As we proceed with the witnesses and public comments, want to make sure that everyone understands that the Assembly has rules to ensure that we maintain order and run an efficient and fair hearing.
- Mike Fong
Legislator
We apply these rules consistently to all people who participate in our proceedings, regardless of the viewpoint they express. In order to facilitate the goal of hearing as much from the public, within the limits of our time, we will not predict—permit—conduct that disrupts, disturbs, or otherwise impedes the orderly conduct of our legislative proceedings.
- Mike Fong
Legislator
We will not accept disruptive behavior or behavior that incites or threatens violence. As you came to the hearing room today, the sergeants directed your attention to the Rules for Public Attendance and Participation, which are posted outside the door. The rules for today's hearing include no talking or loud noises from the audience.
- Mike Fong
Legislator
Public comment may be provided only at the designated time and place, as permitted by the Chair. Public comments relate to the subject or those being discussed today. No engagement in conduct that disrupts, disturbs, or otherwise impedes orderly conduct of this hearing. Please aware that violations of these rules may subject you to removal or other enforcement actions.
- Mike Fong
Legislator
Additionally, please note, while this hearing will not have phone testimony, we are accepting written testimony through the Position Letter Portal on the Committee's website at www.ahed.assembly.ca.gov. Bills will be taken up in sign in order and authors, thank you so much for being here and authors can also sign in at the Sergeant's Desk in room 126.
- Mike Fong
Legislator
Further, please note that the guideline for bills heard in this Committee is to allow for testimony from two lead witnesses in support and two lead witnesses in opposition, to speak for no more than two minutes each.
- Mike Fong
Legislator
Stakeholder groups and entities that are neither in support nor in opposition will be allowed to give testimony for no more than two minutes when I call for tweeners. If a measure has more than two entities in the tweener category, only two would be allowed to speak for two minutes each.
- Mike Fong
Legislator
Colleagues, since the Members are—hearings are—open to the public and some travel far to be here in respect of them and the author, please allow the author to complete their opening remarks regarding the Bill before making a motion so that the public has an idea of what the Bill is about.
- Mike Fong
Legislator
If a motion is made during the author's opening remarks, I'll simply state that the motion will be recognized at the appropriate time. Colleagues, additionally, if you'd like to respond to a roll call, ask a question, provide a comment, please be sure to activate your mic and speak into the mic.
- Mike Fong
Legislator
For authors of bills up today, Authors, each member presenting today will provide an opening statement and closing statement. Your lead witnesses will each have two minutes to provide testimony. And before we proceed with the first author, we'll take up the consent calendar when we have quorum.
- Mike Fong
Legislator
And we do have two bills on consent, and we'll take them up at that time when we have quorum. And also, additionally, please note that file item number two, SB 226, Cabaldon, has been pulled by the author and is officially a two-year Bill.
- Mike Fong
Legislator
And lastly, please note that file item number nine, SB 638, Padilla, is a two-year Bill. With that, we'll begin the bill hearing. We're going to start with item number 13, SJR 4, by Senator Laird. Senator Laird, welcome and the floor is yours.
- John Laird
Legislator
Thank you, Mr. Chair and Committee Member. Senate Joint Resolution 4 urges the federal government to rescind the National Institutes of Health funding cuts and reaffirms the Legislature's commitment to our academic and research institutions. This is a cornerstone of the nation's biomedical research infrastructure.
- John Laird
Legislator
A conservative estimate suggests that proposed cuts could result in the loss of hundreds of millions of dollars of funding for California universities. California students and researchers contribute to groundbreaking research that has a global impact. This is from Alzheimer's, cancer, heart disease, host of other illnesses. Anything from clinical trials of new treatments to basic lab research that's the foundation for discovery—discoveries.
- John Laird
Legislator
Reduced funding for research in higher education poses long-term threats to California's economy, to a skilled workforce, to the research production, and higher education. So, Senate Joint Resolution 4 calls on Federal Government to reaffirm its commitment to health, education, and innovation by restoring the funding. I respectfully ask for an aye vote.
- Mike Fong
Legislator
Thank you so much. Are there witnesses in support in the hearing room?
- Mario Guerrero
Person
Mario Guerrero, on behalf of the University of California. For the statements in the resolution itself, thank you to the Senate for this Bill. We're obviously extremely concerned with the canceled funding, reduced funding that's taking place. UC, to date, has about 300 million in canceled grants, to date. And so, we are concerned.
- Mike Fong
Legislator
Thank you so much. Are there witnesses in opposition in the hearing room? Are there tweeners in the hearing room? Colleagues, any questions or comments? Seeing none. Senator, would you like to close?
- John Laird
Legislator
Just at the appropriate time, I respectfully request an aye vote.
- Mike Fong
Legislator
Thank you so much, Senator Laird, for bringing this very important measure forward. So, I think it's very critical to protect our research funding for our robust institutions of higher education. And I look forward to supporting the measure today. And we'll take the item up when we have quorum. Thank you so much.
- Mike Fong
Legislator
Next up, we'd like to welcome Senator Ashby presenting SB 761. Welcome. The floor is yours.
- Angelique Ashby
Legislator
Thank you so much. See if I can keep pace with my colleague, Senator Laird. I'm here to present SB 761, which is the CalFresh for Students Act. This Bill streamlines access to CalFresh benefits by allowing students to receive a notification that they're potentially eligible for CalFresh when they complete their Cal Grant application.
- Angelique Ashby
Legislator
Right now, these systems are totally separate, so they would have no way of knowing unless they also go down and apply for CalFresh separately. I do accept the proposed amendments from the Committee. Thank the Chair and the Committee staff for helping improve the Bill.
- Angelique Ashby
Legislator
SB 761 expands the programs of study that increases a student's eligibility for CalFresh as well as creating the notification system. Half of California's college students experience food insecurity, encountering barriers that make it difficult to access CalFresh benefits, and they encounter barriers that make it difficult to access these programs that ultimately, just feeding themselves becomes an issue.
- Angelique Ashby
Legislator
When I was in college, I was a young single mom, and I used food stamps to make ends meet for myself and my son. So, this Bill is modest but important. Would have helped me tremendously. One less system to navigate. So, I appreciate the Committee hearing us out today. I have a couple of witnesses with me.
- Angelique Ashby
Legislator
I will let them introduce themselves and respectfully ask for an aye vote when a quorum is present.
- A.J. Johnson
Person
Thank you. Good afternoon, Chair Fong and Members of the Committee. I'm A.J. Johnson with California Competes: Higher Education for a Strong Economy. We're proud co-sponsors of the Bill. California faces a projected 2—shortfall of 2 million college educated workers by 2030—and prospective students name the cost of college as a major barrier.
- A.J. Johnson
Person
To close this gap, California Competes has been focused on making college more affordable. Not just tuition, but the full cost of being a student. That includes food. With more than one in five Californians struggling with food insecurity, we know hunger is a real and growing barrier to college success.
- A.J. Johnson
Person
Studies show that students who are food insecure are 43% less likely to graduate. And that's not unsurprising. If students are hungry, it's harder to focus, to attend class, and they're picking up more hours of work to get by.
- A.J. Johnson
Person
Despite being eligible for, fewer than one in four students who qualify for CalFresh actually receive it today. According to research from the California Policy Lab, many students don't know they qualify, others give up due to complex paperwork or confusion about whether they're eligible, and this Bill is a smart, simple way to remove barriers and help students get the support that they need.
- A.J. Johnson
Person
SB 761 adds a simple opt-in on the Cal Grant application so students can be connected to help with applying for food benefits.
- A.J. Johnson
Person
It facilitates coordination across state and county systems, making follow up and enrollment easier, and it streamlines programs identified as improving eligibility to all 2 and 4 year public college and university programs. For this reason, we ask for your support and thank Senator Ashby for her leadership.
- Carol Gonzalez
Person
Awesome. Thank you. Good afternoon, Chair and Members. Carol Gonzalez here on behalf of Alliance for a Better Community, a proud co-sponsor of the Bill.
- Carol Gonzalez
Person
I have the pleasure of sharing a student's testimony today who's an advocate for ABC, Christopher Anthony, a graduate student studying for his Master of Public Health at UCLA's Fielding School of Public Health. And it reads, "I want to share my strong support for SB 761."
- Carol Gonzalez
Person
"As a working graduate student at UCLA, meeting and prioritizing the cost of living as a student is challenging. I received little guidance during my CalFresh enrollment and had to take an unnecessary phone call in the stairwell of—between classes."
- Carol Gonzalez
Person
"Although UCLA provides guidance for students to support enrollment through its Basic Needs Office, a direct linkage or outreach would have made the process a lot easier. Students who also have to face the stigma of CalFresh enrollment and many don't believe that they are worthy of the benefit, something that certainly has a negative consequence on students' health."
- Carol Gonzalez
Person
"Seeing other peers enroll in CalFresh in the beginning of my degree program created a wave of security and assurance that we are worthy of receiving these benefits. CalFresh has positively impacted my ability to learn, support my community, and thrive during grad school, by making food assistance accessible to students earning a degree, the burden of food security and navigating tight household budgets lifted."
- Carol Gonzalez
Person
"My CalFresh benefits also enabled me to consume more organic, diverse, and nutritious foods."
- Carol Gonzalez
Person
"Furthermore, the market match, which can be used at our local farmers market down the block in Westwood, has enabled me to utilize my benefits in supporting small businesses while receiving locally sourced fresh produce, a mutually beneficial relationship."
- Carol Gonzalez
Person
"I am grateful that my degree program is an approved LPI, but UCLA has over 15 programs that unfortunately aren't approved, leaving hundreds of students out of the essential food assistance. Everyone deserves access to food regardless of their degree program."
- Carol Gonzalez
Person
"I am proud to support SB 761, not only due to its aim of approving more campuses LPIs, but through the innovation of data sharing which will directly encourage and support thousands of higher ed students in California to thrive by removing the barrier of food insecurity. I urge the Committee to pass 761. Thank you and thank you to Senator Ashby for her leadership."
- Mike Fong
Legislator
Thank you so much. Are there witnesses in support in the hearing room?
- Unidentified Speaker
Person
With the Community College League of California, in support.
- Rebecca Gonzales
Person
Rebecca Gonzalez, with the Western Center on Law and Poverty, in support.
- Lan Lee
Person
Llang Lee, on behalf of Asian Americans Advancing Justice Southern California, in strong support.
- Maggie White
Person
Good afternoon. I'm Maggie White, with the California State University System, here in strong support. Thank you very much.
- Maria Morales
Person
Good afternoon. Maria Morales, with Hispanas Organized Political Equality. And also, on behalf of our friends at the Southern California Attainment Network, the Cal State Student Association, and the College for All Coalition, in support.
- Oscar Sandoval
Person
Good afternoon. Oscar Sandoval, with the Center for Healthy Communities, in strong support.
- Unidentified Speaker
Person
Junior Leagues of California, sponsor, in support, and Junior League of Sacramento, in support.
- Carol Gonzalez
Person
Jasmine Herrera on behalf of the California State in Commission support.
- Kasha B Hunt
Person
Kasha Hunt with Nosman, on behalf of North Orange Community College District and Citrus College, in support.
- Austin Webster
Person
Chair and Members, Austin Webster with W Strategies, on behalf of the Associate—the Academic Center for California Community Colleges—the California Community College Association for Occupational Education, the CCC, Association for Extended Programs and Opportunity Services, and MESA, in support.
- Alicia Macbell
Person
Alicia MacBell, on behalf of the Student Senate for the California Community Colleges, in support.
- Jessica Duan
Person
Good afternoon. Jessica Duan, the University of California, in support.
- Justin Selmak
Person
Good afternoon, Chair and Members. Justin Selmak, on behalf of the California Community College Chancellor's Office, in support. Thank you.
- Kevin Mibiano
Person
Good afternoon. Kevin Mibiano, on behalf of the University of California Student Association, in strong support. Thank you.
- Lucia Hermoso
Person
Good afternoon. Lucia Hermoso, rising senior at UCSB and transfer student, in strong support.
- Martha Guerrero
Person
Good afternoon, Mr. Chair and Members. Martha Guerrero, representing the Los Angeles County Board of Supervisors, in support.
- Adam Keigwin
Person
Good afternoon, Mr. Chair and Assembly Members. Adam Kagwan, on behalf of No Kid Hungry, in support.
- Mike Fong
Legislator
Thank you so much. Are there witnesses in opposition in the hearing room? Are there tweeners in the hearing room? Colleagues, any questions or comments? Assemblymember Tangipa.
- David Tangipa
Legislator
Yeah, I just want to thank the Senator as well. When I was playing football at Fresno State, it was a walk on the first two years and there was a period where I actually ended up homeless and it was between my family's home getting red tagged or myself having insecurity on food.
- David Tangipa
Legislator
And in that period, there was a three-week period where I had nothing to eat but muscle milk and the staff actually brought somebody in to give a presentation to the entire team to let them know that there's a lot of us that could qualify for CalFresh.
- David Tangipa
Legislator
And that was one of the periods that really helped us was when our football team actually looked at that. A lot of us actually came from disadvantaged, low-income communities and we didn't even know what was actually available to us. So, I just wanted to say thank you for that. It's near and dear to me as well.
- David Tangipa
Legislator
I think there's a lot of people who are just trying to take that next step in life and there's many programs that help. The entire reason why I'm here today is because I had some people give that. So, I just want to say thank you and I look forward, when we have enough, to move in the Bill.
- Jeff Gonzalez
Legislator
Senator, again, thank you for your leadership in this. This is a vital piece to building a better California and I thank you for that. And it just—every time you bring up a Bill, I'm always like okay, I—it's very easy to support you.
- Jeff Gonzalez
Legislator
So, thank you for what you do and what you continue to do, and I look forward to, to supporting you and I, I move the Bill.
- Mike Fong
Legislator
Thank you so much. We'll take the motion, we'll go quorum. Thank you so much for your comments. Any further questions or comments? Seeing none. Senator, would you like to close please?
- Angelique Ashby
Legislator
But I wish they were all this easy. I'm glad these are the ones you've seen. I have a tendency to not have them all quite land this easily but I appreciate it very much and I appreciate you sharing your personal story.
- Angelique Ashby
Legislator
Not that far removed from mine. Though I didn't play football, did raise a little all conference nose tackle, and you all eat a lot. So, it's important. I respectfully, at the appropriate time, ask for an aye vote. Thank you, colleagues.
- Mike Fong
Legislator
Thank you so much, Senator Ashby, for bringing this Bill forward and working diligently with my team to address the concerns highlighted in the analysis. We know that removing barriers and access to CalFresh is essential as it is an underutilized tool in combating student hunger.
- Mike Fong
Legislator
Thank you for your leadership and attention on this matter and we look forward to supporting this Bill at the appropriate time. Thank you. Next up, we'd like to welcome Senator Caballero presenting item number seven, SB 520. Welcome.
- Anna Caballero
Legislator
I'll go ahead and start. Please. Welcome. Thank you very much. Mr. Chair and Members. I'm pleased to present SB 520 which would establish establish the California Nurse Midwifery Education Fund to create the California based Master's Degree Nurse Midwifery Education Program. California faces significant maternal health care challenges.
- Anna Caballero
Legislator
Despite our efforts, maternal and childbirth mortality rates remain high, particularly among black, indigenous and people of color. BIPOC communities, rural and low income areas of the state suffer a shortage of health care providers capable of delivering essential maternal care. And hospitals all over the state are closing their labor and delivery units due to the costs.
- Anna Caballero
Legislator
Nurse Midwifer Midwives play a critical role in improving maternal physical and mental health outcomes providing compassionate, culturally competent and evidence based care during pregnancy, labor and postpartum. Currently, only one nurse midwifery master's degree program is offered in California at CSU Fullerton.
- Anna Caballero
Legislator
The lack of educational opportunity places limitations on the workforce potential and ultimately on access to high quality reproductive health care in California. With an effective pipeline, midwives can be rapidly, efficiently and professionally prepared to provide high quality health care to both mother and child.
- Anna Caballero
Legislator
The new fund created by SB520 will utilize both state and private funds to support the development of the new program New Master's degree program to help address the critical need for skilled healthcare professionals who who can deliver high quality maternal care, particularly in underserved communities and in particular in rural communities.
- Anna Caballero
Legislator
This bill directly supports California's efforts to reduce maternal and child mortality and improve maternal physical and mental health by expanding access to these services in areas most affected by inadequately pregnancy support and healthcare provider shortages.
- Anna Caballero
Legislator
With me today to testify is Paris Maloof-Bury, immediate past president, California Nurse Midwives Association and Brittany Mbong, the Black Wellness and Prosperity Center in Fresno.
- Paris Maloof-Bury
Person
Thank you. Just bring this one over. Chair Fong and esteemed Committee Members. My name is Paris Maloof-Bury and I'm here on behalf of the California Nurse Midwives Association.
- Paris Maloof-Bury
Person
Thank you for the opportunity to speak today in support of SB520 which seeks to increase access to high quality perinatal and reproductive health care for Californians through financial support of the new nurse midwifery education programs that we need.
- Paris Maloof-Bury
Person
California faces a severe shortage of essential maternity care providers compounded by the closures of maternity units statewide, over 52 in the last decade and a projected shortage of 1100 OB GYNs by 2030. The crisis is acutely felt in underserved areas, exacerbating existing inequities and leading to disparities in birth outcomes.
- Paris Maloof-Bury
Person
Midwives currently attend about 14% of all of the births in this state and we are vital to the reproductive and perinatal care of people in this state. Moreover, research shows that midwifery care is associated with improved outcomes at lower costs when patients have access and we are able to serve most reproductive aged individuals.
- Paris Maloof-Bury
Person
Yet California faces significant challenges in building a strong midwifery workforce, partly due to the upfront financial investment required to launch new education programs in accredited institutions. There's only one master's degree nurse midwifery program left in the state at this time, Cal State Fullerton, and they currently graduate small cohorts between 12 and 15 students per year.
- Paris Maloof-Bury
Person
SB 520 addresses this shortage by creating a fund within HCAI that will allow the collection of both state and private funds to support the establishment of a new master's degree program either at a UC or a Cal State University.
- Paris Maloof-Bury
Person
Funds would be prioritized for programs that serve an area of demonstrated maternity or midwifery workforce need, with a goal of retaining midwives in those areas to build local health force workforce and expand economic opportunities.
- Paris Maloof-Bury
Person
The funds would provide necessary support for the new programs to be successful, for example, to aid in recruiting and hiring faculty, purchasing simulation and training equipment, identifying clinical precepting sites, covering accreditation costs, marketing and student recruitment. SB520 builds on the 2021 Midwifery Workforce Training act, which previously funded active midwifery education programs in California.
- Paris Maloof-Bury
Person
The bill provides a more sustainable method of funding midwifery education to ensure that we have sufficient perinatal and reproductive health care providers, especially in the areas of the state that are in the greatest need and through a method of reducing cost. Thank you for your consideration and I urge your aye vote thank you so much.
- Brittany Mbong
Person
Hi, Good afternoon Chair Fong and Committee Members. My name is Brittany Mbong and I stand here as a proud daughter, a sister, a mom, a midwife, one of two Black certified nurse midwives working in the Fresno area and I drove up here today to show my full support of SB520.
- Brittany Mbong
Person
Creating a fund within HCI to establish a master's degree nurse midwifery program would be most impactful for communities like mine. Let me tell you why. We know Fresno county faces some high, high preterm birth rates, infant and maternal mortality rates with a majority of that burden on our Black families.
- Brittany Mbong
Person
I'm the Clinical Manager at the Black Wellness and Prosperity center and we are a nonprofit founded in 2019 by Shantae Davies Balch and our work focuses on improving Black maternal, infant and community health outcomes through relationships, infrastructure building, research and advocacy. And our vision really has three simple lines.
- Brittany Mbong
Person
No black woman will die from a preventable childbirth related death. No Black woman will deliver a preventable premature birth and no black baby will die from a preventable cause. And we see SB 520 as a way for us to move forward in this vision.
- Brittany Mbong
Person
I'm very aware of the drastic need for access to midwives as our team engages through direct services and through events. You know, we hear doulas students expressing the desire to go to school and become a midwife but don't have the training resources available to stay in their community.
- Brittany Mbong
Person
RNs and nurse practitioners are even often expressing frustration with the limited access to nurse midwifery programs. And we hear our partner hospitals and institutions looking and looking for more midwives to hire, but finding few. So the kind of care that midwives provide, you know, is quite unique.
- Brittany Mbong
Person
It's holistic, individualized, empowering care and it is a sacred profession I'm honored to be a part of. You know, from the brave Hebrew midwives in Scripture talked about and then also through the grand midwives in the south during slavery and segregation. We, we have a history of serving our communities and advocating for them.
- Brittany Mbong
Person
Support from this bill extends throughout our community. County and local officials recognize the need for nurse midwives, including Fresno County Board of Supervisor who submitted a letter recently in May of support.
- Brittany Mbong
Person
We are a designated area of need and we are in a maternal health crisis and the integration of nurse midwives into our health systems is a critical part of the solution. So I believe Fresno, the Central Valley, California is worthy of this investment for a strong midwifery workforce. Thank you for your time and consideration today.
- Mike Fong
Legislator
Thank you so much. Are there witnesses in support in the hearing room?
- Rebecca Gonzales
Person
Rebecca Gonzalez with the Western Center on Law and Poverty in support.
- Mike Fong
Legislator
Thank you. Are there witnesses in opposition in the hearing room? Are there tweeners in the hearing room? Colleagues, any questions or comments?
- Anna Caballero
Legislator
Vice Chair DeMaio, thank you and I'm inclined to support the overall concept of this program. But in reading the legislation, there's reference to birthing people. We mean mothers.
- Paris Maloof-Bury
Person
So birthing people is an inclusive term that includes people with uteruses who are giving birth without gender definition because there are some people who use they, them, pronouns and others. But yes, generally speaking it does refer to mothers.
- Anna Caballero
Legislator
I mean, you had me at the program and then we had to engage in what I think is language that.
- Paris Maloof-Bury
Person
Marginalizes women respectfully, as a woman who cares for women, I would hope that we could move forward with saving lives without being caught up in identity politics.
- Anna Caballero
Legislator
I would love not to get caught up in identity politics, which is why I think you have a good idea here that you distract from by putting in politicized language. And my hope is that you might consider an amendment going forward, because I think this is something that everyone should be excited to support, particularly in the implementation.
- Anna Caballero
Legislator
And to ask people to vote for a bill that contains something that is offensive to many and divisive to many just distracts from the good idea. So let's not play politics on a good idea. Let's just get the good idea done.
- Anna Caballero
Legislator
And I would urge you to at least weigh, as the process moves forward, an amendment to that language.
- Jeff Gonzalez
Legislator
Senator, thank you for this, this bill. In Imperial county, we have the border of Mexico, and then my district has the border of Mexico, Arizona, Nevada, spans roughly the size of a little bit bigger than New Hampshire. There's a lot of people in a little town right off the border called Calexico.
- Jeff Gonzalez
Legislator
When a woman gives birth, was ready to give birth, she's got to travel either across the international border or she's got to travel 45 minutes to the past the hospital that's closed there, OB, GYN Department or the birthing center to the next hospital that has it.
- Jeff Gonzalez
Legislator
This is absolutely critical to my district, absolutely critical to my district that we can have this type of flexibility in our education so that we can answer the gap, the need. Right. We have a need in Imperial County. We have a need throughout California, frankly. And this bill answers that.
- Jeff Gonzalez
Legislator
I look forward to seeing the implementation of this. I look forward to the funding of this. And I'm not a fan of using a whole bunch of money for throwing a whole bunch of money for a whole bunch of things.
- Jeff Gonzalez
Legislator
But this is actually something that's critical to the life and death of the mother and the baby in her womb as she's in labor. So to have people that are trained in this would be a godsend to my district. So thank you for this.
- Jeff Gonzalez
Legislator
I appreciate your thoughtfulness in this and I hope we can get it over in my district, where we have Cal State, San Bernardino and San Diego State University throughout my district and get some students in there. Thank you. And with that, I will be supporting your bill.
- Anna Caballero
Legislator
Thank you very much. I appreciate your comments. And also I worked on the distressed hospital loan program for our hospital in Madera. But I know that in your district you had this similar situation. And both of them had to give up their labor and delivery units in order to economically survive.
- Anna Caballero
Legislator
And when we have given up on taking care of the pregnancy and the child that results from it in our community, it's, it's atrocious. So I thank you for those, those comments. Look forward to seeing this get through the Legislature and signed. We need it signed and then funded.
- David Tangipa
Legislator
Thank you so much. Yeah, just the Senator and I have overlap. We both get to honor and privilege of representing Madera County. And it's something that I often talk about that there is a county in the State of California that you cannot have a baby in because there's just nowhere to do it.
- David Tangipa
Legislator
I think that should shock a lot of people. And it's not the only one, you know, and there's a lot of areas that we're talking about what we need to address here as a legislative body. I think this helps prepare for where we need to go in the future.
- David Tangipa
Legislator
And I want to ask before we go down there is hopefully Fresno State again can pick up this program. I think there's a little bias that I have. Fresno State.
- Anna Caballero
Legislator
I'm glad you, I'm glad you said it because it relieved me of that necessity.
- David Tangipa
Legislator
But I think that's something I even remember too. When I was helping out the school, there's in the nursing program, I mean they only have 65 available slots because that's how much the students can hold. But there was a program I was able to review.
- David Tangipa
Legislator
They had 2134.0 students that applied for that program, but they couldn't accept all 213.
- David Tangipa
Legislator
But that doesn't even count the, you know, 300 plus, 3.8 students, the 300 plus, you know, 3.5 students and all the other ones that hopefully this gives us even more of an option to have, you know, to truly solve the issues that we're seeing with Madera Community for a lot of the other hospitals in the Central Valley.
- David Tangipa
Legislator
And so I always like to iterate too. You know, I do appreciate the Senator's position on always prioritizing the Valley and especially an area that is specifically disadvantaged and doesn't always get the amount of attention. So thank you.
- Mike Fong
Legislator
Any further questions or comments? Seeing none, Senator would like to close, please.
- Anna Caballero
Legislator
Yes, thank you very much for the robust discussion. We are a first world country, but we have third world issues as it relates to childbirth. And so it's. I really appreciate the comments that have been made. This is a critical issue and I respectfully ask for your aye vote.
- Mike Fong
Legislator
Thank you so much, Senator Caballerotto, for bringing this very important legislation forward. Master's level midwifery programs will help fill critical health gaps, especially here in our rural areas in California. And the fund that this bill would establish will go a long way towards incentivizing the creation of additional programs in our state.
- Mike Fong
Legislator
And I look forward to supporting the measure here today when we go for them.
- Mike Fong
Legislator
Thank you. Next up, I'd like to welcome Senator Cabaldon. Thank you, Senator Cabaldon, for your patience. You have two items up today. We're going to start with item number 10, if that's okay with you, SB640.
- Christopher Cabaldon
Legislator
All right. Thank you, Mr. Chair. This is my favorite bill of the year. So. All right. Welcome to your favorite bill of the year.
- Christopher Cabaldon
Legislator
So if you've ever thought about the major gap between high school and college, we often think about it here in this, in your Committee and in the State of California, how many students that are fully qualified don't go on to college or to University, given the need that the state has and also the powerful economic opportunity that's unlocked when you do.
- Christopher Cabaldon
Legislator
And so we've had lots of policies and programs trying to fix that. But when you take a step back, you wonder, well, where does this gap come from in the first place? It's the whole process of going to college and applying for it, hoping, waiting for financial aid. It's not in the physics textbook.
- Christopher Cabaldon
Legislator
It's not in the Bible. It's not in the Constitution. It's entirely an invention of us, the gap between 12th grade and college. And it doesn't exist. The same gap does not exist between elementary school and junior high or junior high and high school.
- Christopher Cabaldon
Legislator
While you might choose a different school, you're guaranteed, and when you finish sixth grade, you're going to get into seventh grade. We don't require everybody to hold their breath. Apply a year in advance and see what happens. In California, it is possible for us to do something differently.
- Christopher Cabaldon
Legislator
When I was mayor of the City of West Sacramento six years ago, we implemented the first in the entire country of any state or any city process for automatically enrolling every graduating high school, automatically admitting every graduating high school senior to our local community college in conjunction with the school district and the local college.
- Christopher Cabaldon
Legislator
It was analyzed and included in a book by a couple of Nobel laureates. Harvard celebrated it as one of the most powerful equity policies in the country. A couple years later, CSU began a pilot project to automatically admit Students from Riverside County to its declining enrollment campuses.
- Christopher Cabaldon
Legislator
And I want to particularly acknowledge the chair and also staff of this Committee that been working because one of the key parts of that tool has been the College to Career Data system, the California College Guidance Initiative and other tools that make it possible for us to get rid of the application process for the vast majority of graduating Californians.
- Christopher Cabaldon
Legislator
Because California guarantees to graduating high school students that if you're in the top 1/3 of your class, you are entitled to go to the, to the California State University. And we've operationalized that top 1/3 in the form of the aided, the well known A to G courses and the grade point average requirement.
- Christopher Cabaldon
Legislator
So what SB 640 does is it brings that home. It says that every graduating high school senior in California, if their school participates in the California Guidance Initiative, which virtually all of them do, that they will receive if they are qualified.
- Christopher Cabaldon
Legislator
If they meet the eligibility standards for CSU, they will receive an automatic letter of admission to CSU identifying in particular the campuses for which they can just click and go. Campuses like Sonoma State in my own district, but many others as well.
- Christopher Cabaldon
Legislator
And if they wish to go onto a competitive campus like San Diego Eastern Cal Poly, they can take the next step knowing that they are already into CSU. This is a powerful initiative because the Bill, we've discussed this a lot. It's not an email, it's not a tweet.
- Christopher Cabaldon
Legislator
It is a hard letter because we want students and their families to have the experience of getting that letter from the college that you open up. Or maybe Grandma's visiting that afternoon and she opens a letter and says to you, oh, Miha, I'm so proud of you. I didn't even know you were applying to the University.
- Christopher Cabaldon
Legislator
And you think to yourself, I didn't either. But now you're going. Now the family is on board. You are going. You'll be able to avail yourself of other state financial aid programs in order to make it real. So this is possible because of those data systems that students can be admitted without having to apply.
- Christopher Cabaldon
Legislator
I do want to note that the Association of California School Administrators today did withdraw their opposition to the bill. They were concerned about school responsibilities. But in, in the latest version of the bill, there are no responsibilities for schools. In an early version, schools were going to be involved in this process. They don't need to be.
- Christopher Cabaldon
Legislator
We have the data systems to make this completely automatic.
- Christopher Cabaldon
Legislator
So the students simply receive their letter and they can go the corollary benefit is that for those campuses, the half a dozen or a dozen CSU campuses which are experiencing significant declining enrollment will provide a new pipeline of students from throughout California who will be able to take advantage of those opportunities and help to sustain those campuses into the future.
- Christopher Cabaldon
Legislator
Then finally, and I know that the term is controversial, but the concept's not really the undermatch issue that there are many students in California, particularly black and brown students, who don't apply to the highest level of University to which they are fully qualified for a lot of reasons and as a result they're not able to achieve the level of a degree, the economic impact of that degree that they are entitled to do.
- Christopher Cabaldon
Legislator
So this Bill solves for that by making sure that those students are fully admitted and can go to the University and pursue their dreams. And so with that I'd like to introduce Dr. Christopher Nellam, who is the head of EdTrust west as our witness and support.
- Chris Nellam
Person
Thank you so much. Good afternoon Chair Fong and esteemed Members of the Assembly Higher Ed Committee. My name is Dr. Chris Nellam. I serve as the ED of Edrust West. We are a nonprofit advocacy organization that's been in California for 25 years trying to both protect and improve the public education system.
- Chris Nellam
Person
We believe we can do that by eliminating what we know to be racial and economic barriers in embedded in the system. That brings me to SB 640 which does what we know works. It's not just a good idea.
- Chris Nellam
Person
It's proven a proven strategy that works and can help address crucial needs in our state to help more low income, more students of color, more native students, more Californians go to college. It can also make the path to college smoother which will be good for students and for California.
- Chris Nellam
Person
It can work to help reduce anxiety that students face and can make a difference and help them achieve their college dreams. Additionally, increased support with the admissions process is a need we've we and others have outlined in our reports that under underscore the importance of this Bill.
- Chris Nellam
Person
It can also help with college costs which we know are rising and one of the reasons that you all in this on your this body here instituted a universal financial aid completion policy which helps in this similar vein.
- Chris Nellam
Person
So we know the application process can be confusing and cumbersome and despite hard work students doing everything we've asked them to do, so many students reach this point and aren't able to go to college because they either missed a message or a deadline that they otherwise could have overcome. In our most recent report called Black Minds matter.
- Chris Nellam
Person
We always share a trend line of black students in California which shows that fewer students in the state. Fewer black students in this state are going to college than they were 10 years ago. A trend that this bill can help reverse.
- Chris Nellam
Person
We know college education helps to open doors for students, and that may be cliche, but it's true. I know this from my own experience. I'm from Brawley, California, and going to college changed my entire life.
- Chris Nellam
Person
Research also shows that students who go to college and graduate from college extends benefits to the state, economic benefits, public health benefits and workforce benefits. So SB640 is not only about improving equitable access to higher education, but we believe it's about strengthening California. So thank you, of course, to the Senator for authoring this important measure.
- Chris Nellam
Person
We respectfully ask for your aye vote and bring this proven strategy to all Californians.
- Mike Fong
Legislator
Thank you so much. At this time, we're going to take a moment to establish quorum. Madam Secretary, roll call, please.
- Mike Fong
Legislator
Thank you so much. Colleagues, one more. We're going to take the consent calendar up. At this time we have two bills on consent and they are items file items 3 and 4. Madam Secretary, roll call, please. zero, sorry. We have a motion by Vice Chair Demaio and a second by Summer Tongipa file.
- Committee Secretary
Person
The consent calendar consists of File item. Number 3, SB244. The motion is do pass to the Appropriations Committee and File item number four, SB271. The motion is do passed to the Human Services Committee. [Roll Call]
- Mike Fong
Legislator
The measure of six eyes will keep the rope open for additional Members. Add on. Thank you so much for your testimony. At this time, we'll have witnesses in support in the hearing. Please come up to the microphone. Thank you so much.
- Rachel Shakluna
Person
Rachel Shakluna, on behalf of the El Camino Community College District in support.
- Mike Fong
Legislator
David Nebin on behalf of the Los Angeles Community College District in support. Thank you. Are there witnesses in opposition in a hearing room? Are there tweeners in a hearing room?
- Chris Morales
Person
Thank you, Mr. Chair and Members. Chris Morales, the CSU Office of the Chancellor. We do not have an official position on the Bill, but we are generally supportive of the author's efforts, especially regarding the Direct Admissions Program, which builds off a pilot program that we currently have underway, as the Senator noted.
- Chris Morales
Person
We look forward to the continuing discussion with the Senator on the TMC section of the Bill, as we share the author's goal of enhancing the transfer process and ensuring our graduates are well prepared for careers in high opportunity fields of study. Thank you.
- Austin Webster
Person
Chair and Members, Austin Webster with W Strategies, on behalf of the Academic Senate for California Community Colleges. We just want to thank the author for his ongoing engagement with the system office and the continued conversation around the TMCs as well. We remain committed to working on the transfer process and thank you for bringing the measure forward.
- Mike Fong
Legislator
Thank you so much. Colleagues, any questions or comments? Assemblymember. If we have a motion, do we have a second? Second? Assemblymember Gonzalez.
- Jeff Gonzalez
Legislator
Just have a couple questions. Did you say you're from Brawley?
- Jeff Gonzalez
Legislator
Well, seeing that you're from my district, I have a couple just clarifying questions.
- Jeff Gonzalez
Legislator
So, this is a 12th grader that they get that letter or, or a notification that they get direct admission into CSU because of their—whatever their transcripts kind of categorize them in?
- Jeff Gonzalez
Legislator
Okay. Do you foresee any—so, I'm looking at it from a couple of different perspectives. Like the, like the IEP side, right?
- Jeff Gonzalez
Legislator
Individual education plan, the special needs side. How does that fit into this, in this process? How are we, how are we looking at that? Is that even a factor or do we need to think about that?
- Christopher Cabaldon
Legislator
I don't know. In terms of how CSU is evaluating, other than the traditional transcript. It does require for this process to work and for it to be non-friction and also not involve any cost at the local level. It has to be sort of algorithmic.
- Christopher Cabaldon
Legislator
It's not being done by AI or anything, but it has to be done by the, by the formula automatically in order to issue the letters.
- Christopher Cabaldon
Legislator
And so, if there are alternative pathways, which there are, there are also students that are in dual enrollment and what have you, which may or may not be as easy to do at the first stage. But I know CSU has been working very—they've been very committed to making sure that this, this project is inclusive and standardized.
- Christopher Cabaldon
Legislator
And so, even if it's not covered at the outset, I know they're committed to trying to continue to expand it to cover more and more of these more standardized situations.
- Jeff Gonzalez
Legislator
You know, we talk about equity and everybody, and having a special needs son, that's always like top of mind for me. Like, how does my son, or the son and daughter of somebody in California who this program is gonna, they're gonna participate in this program.
- Jeff Gonzalez
Legislator
How do they become a part of it, or how do they opt out, or how do they get, you know, special help doing it? So, just something that I'd ask that you consider going forward. I get it.
- Jeff Gonzalez
Legislator
You know, it's a smaller subset of the population, but it is a vulnerable part of the population that wants to go to college, that wants to excel. And it just so happens that they have some superpowers that don't allow that, or don't align within this algorithm. The other piece of this is it's just for the CSU.
- Christopher Cabaldon
Legislator
So, yes, it is just the CSU. The project that we launched in my own city was with the community college, which is more of a psychological nudge because you're obviously, if you graduate from high school or you turn 18, you are already legally admissible to the community college universally. So, you don't, it's—the power of the program is not as strong.
- Christopher Cabaldon
Legislator
But this project applies specifically to CSU. I still continue to believe in the future or enterprising district should do exactly what we did, which they can do at the district level. We were a good example of that.
- Christopher Cabaldon
Legislator
But the, this Bill only applies to CSU at this stage. Also does not apply to UC.
- Jeff Gonzalez
Legislator
The, the concern I have is in rural areas, Raleigh, the closest thing we have is San Diego State University, right? But then we look at places like Needles, which is farther away, places like Blythe, there—it's a, quite a, quite a ways to get to the nearest CSU of any sort.
- Jeff Gonzalez
Legislator
So, I would ask that as you, as this is moving forward, we—I don't know if it's another Bill or it's an amendment to this Bill or how it, or how we develop this, but keeping rural counties in mind, the ones that just don't—it just doesn't.
- Jeff Gonzalez
Legislator
It's not practical to go down the road per se to be able to go to a CSU and you know, they can't afford going anywhere else, right? So, just some other pieces that I look at. Specifically, for my district is man, how are they going to—how does that work out? Right? I like the concept.
- Jeff Gonzalez
Legislator
The other piece that I have is there is a—what I would, I would say, a cultural bridge that needs to be crossed when it comes to higher education, which is why I love being on this, on this Committee.
- Jeff Gonzalez
Legislator
And what I mean by cultural is, you know, I'm getting ready to graduate and my family is working and everybody's working, and we have to pay to stay where we're at. So, it's just a little bit easier for dad to say or mom to say, hey, we need you to work versus going, right?
- Jeff Gonzalez
Legislator
That's a challenge that we have. So, I like the fact that this is an immediate psychological, hey, I'm already accepted. Dual enrollment is also a piece of this puzzle that plays, I believe, a factor in that.
- Jeff Gonzalez
Legislator
So, my question to that is in the dual enrollment—when you have students in a dual enrollment scenario, you know, 9th through 12th, they take classes, and they're already married up to a school. How do, how is that going to work with this program of acceptance? And now they also have college credits from somewhere else.
- Christopher Cabaldon
Legislator
There's no conflict. So, the dual enrollment courses should generally be coded for both institutions.
- Christopher Cabaldon
Legislator
And so, they should be coded in the database that the CSU will be using through the California Guidance Initiative, in order to note that you have completed, you have completed, or you are on track to complete the full A-G curriculum with whatever grade point average that you have that will meet that test.
- Christopher Cabaldon
Legislator
So, dual enrollment should not—the process of then transcripting to that particular university campus, the dual enrollment courses that you take, that will still—that will be another step. Just like applying for housing and everything else will also be an additional step, but the actual process of the admission offer will, can, can—will proceed, regardless of your dual enrollment status.
- Jeff Gonzalez
Legislator
Okay. And lastly, I would say that the measure of effectiveness of this program. Is there a sunset on here? I didn't see a sunset on it, but one of the things that I would say is this, this is, this is something I'm inclined to support, and I want to support.
- Jeff Gonzalez
Legislator
What I'd like to know at the end of this, you know, five years or whatever, is to be able to say, man, this really worked, or we need to adjust this wording, this, whatever the case may be, so we can attract more people. I think one of the ch—one of the challenges with really good ideas that become policy is that what is our measure of effectiveness at the end of this?
- Jeff Gonzalez
Legislator
And saying, hey, this really worked out. I put my, my time and effort into this. And by the way, we increased enrollment and education, and we actually impacted a community by 10%.
- Jeff Gonzalez
Legislator
So, just something to think about within this Bill or maybe a follow up.
- Christopher Cabaldon
Legislator
Yeah, I think—so, one encouraging thing is that what we're doing here in the Bill is actually based on exactly that process because of the, of the pilot in, in Riverside County that CSU has been undertaking. So, we're not, we are not flying blind here.
- Christopher Cabaldon
Legislator
I think one of, and this gets to the, the—one of the earlier points that you made as well is that the measure here is not just how many students go from Needles to Chico State. That is, that is one of them.
- Christopher Cabaldon
Legislator
But, but it's also our expectation that a student that receives a letter of acceptance to Chico State, San Francisco State, Cal State Stanislaus, whether, even if they cannot or choose not to go there, what has been primed in their brain is I am university material and I may go to Imperial Valley College, I might go to Barstow Community College, but I'm going there now with a knowledge of what I am capable of.
- Christopher Cabaldon
Legislator
And so, I'm going to that community college. Sign me up for the transfer pathway or sign me up for the CTE pathway, knowing that I will pursue a business degree after. But we're open. So, so, in that case, that is a success.
- Christopher Cabaldon
Legislator
If the student goes to their local community college, but with a different sense, maybe they wouldn't have gone at all before, but now, they're going and they're going with a knowledge of what they are capable of because of this program, that is also just as important as a success as if they go to San Francisco State.
- Jeff Gonzalez
Legislator
I really like this Bill. I think it answers a lot of things for my community from a psychological perspective. A whole bunch of different pieces. You know, that we just show me that these, oh, I can move on to the next step. This is great. So, moving on is good and it's a great encouragement to our students.
- Jeff Gonzalez
Legislator
With that, I'm inclined to support. I am not inclined to support your tie choice because normally you're bow tie, and you threw me off completely.
- Mike Fong
Legislator
We love Cabaldon's ties. Thank you so much, Assemblymember. Assemblymember Tangipa.
- David Tangipa
Legislator
Yeah, just again, want to thank the Senator. Fresno State, which, you know, I feel like I'm just going to start barking and yelling, "Go dogs," now.
- David Tangipa
Legislator
But we actually have this program that's implemented, it's called Bulldog Bound, where a lot of the seniors in the local area and so we've seen the data as well, where a lot of the enrollment side of things in a lot of our campuses have declined.
- David Tangipa
Legislator
We just had the largest application class and freshman class for Fresno State this past year. And I'm on the alumni board and this is a lot of the engagement. So, there's more active data that you need. I'm more than happy to share with already what's being implemented in the program, how it's showing such a large scale.
- David Tangipa
Legislator
Not only that, a lot of the students are starting to go and visit Fresno State more. And again, that same ideology that you're talking about of just that initial confidence building side of things that, okay, I did do everything I needed to in high school; I do qualify for university.
- David Tangipa
Legislator
And even if you want to take a different route, you at least know that your options are available and what's, what's there for you. So, I'm more than happy to share any of that with what Fresno State has already implemented with the Bulldog Bound Program. The successes that we're already seeing, the larger scale of enrollment.
- David Tangipa
Legislator
Not only that, community engagement. And again, thank you for bringing this.
- Mike Fong
Legislator
Thank you so much. Any further questions from colleagues? Thanks so much. I believe we have one more comment in the tweener category. Welcome.
- Silvia Shaw
Person
Thank you, Mr. Chair. Sylvia Solis Shaw, here on behalf of the California Faculty Association, in support. Thanks.
- Mike Fong
Legislator
Thank you. Seeing no further questions or comments. Senator—a motion. A second. Thank you. Senator, would you like to close, please?
- Christopher Cabaldon
Legislator
I simply ask for an aye vote. Thank you very much, Mr. Chair.
- Mike Fong
Legislator
Thank you so much, Senator Cabaldon, for bringing this very important measure forward. Appreciate the robust conversation from my colleagues.
- Mike Fong
Legislator
We know that while the state has made significant strides in reducing barriers for our students who choose to attend college and choose to transfer a four year institution, there is much more work to be done.
- Mike Fong
Legislator
By establishing a statewide direct admissions program, this Bill has the potential to change the trajectory for many students who may not have thought that college was attainable. Greatly appreciate your leadership in the space and proud to support this measure here today. Madam Secretary, roll call please.
- Mike Fong
Legislator
That measure has six ayes and it's out. We'll keep the roll open for additional members to add on. Thank you. Next up we'll have Senator Cabaldon presenting item number 11, Senate Bill 744. Welcome.
- Christopher Cabaldon
Legislator
Thank you, Mr. Chair. And I'm going to try, if I can, to turn down the volume on SB 744. It is a very naturally, it's a hotly Contested issue. But this bill is not about the national debate. This bill is about the consequences for California students and the institutions that we depend upon.
- Christopher Cabaldon
Legislator
So earlier this year, the U.S. Department of Education issued a directive that we anticipate will lead to substantial changes in the national accrediting framework for post secondary education, including issues around diversity, equity and inclusion, but not only in that domain.
- Christopher Cabaldon
Legislator
In part, the department's objective is to tackle, I think, the sense that the higher education accreditation is too cozy with one another. It's not open enough to innovation and to new practices. And these are all parts of the national debate that have gone on for some time.
- Christopher Cabaldon
Legislator
There have obviously been lots of news stories nationally about threats to individual institutions on accreditation. That's not what this bill is. This bill is specifically about the accrediting associations themselves.
- Christopher Cabaldon
Legislator
Because what we're trying to avoid is a situation where students at Fresno State or Imperial Valley College on a Thursday learn that they that their institution is no longer legally authorized to grant their degrees and that they can no longer have a Cal grant.
- Christopher Cabaldon
Legislator
California law requires that every one of our public institutions be accredited by a USDE recognized accrediting agency, so they cannot legally operate in California without that accreditation. And we have been through this challenge before when individual campuses, principally in the community colleges, have lost or have had their accreditation threatened. So they cannot operate without accreditation.
- Christopher Cabaldon
Legislator
But it is not clear given what's been proposed by uste, there is a non trivial possibility that the approval of the two main accrediting agencies for California, both of which are WASC one for the senior institutions, which in our case is UC and CSU and many independent colleges, and WASC Junior.
- Christopher Cabaldon
Legislator
I can't remember what their name, but their actual name is ACCJC for all of the community colleges. If either of those accrediting agencies lose their federal approval, then under state law, every institution that they accredit in California is no longer accredited.
- Christopher Cabaldon
Legislator
That means that those students at Imperial Valley or Fresno State or San Diego State or Sonoma State can no longer receive a Cal Grant and that their institutions are no longer allowed to grant degrees or operate in California.
- Christopher Cabaldon
Legislator
And so what all this Bill does is to say whatever's happening at the national level, we need to have some safe harbor so that if a crediting agency loses its authority to operate, but it still continues to do this, to implement the same standards, including on sexual harassment and everything else, that if they do that for California purposes only, we will continue to treat that institution as accredited.
- Christopher Cabaldon
Legislator
It does not. It's not a direct fight with the federal Government, although that should be had. But this is simply to say that the student should not pay a price if there is a battle going on between the state, the accrediting agencies and the Federal Government and all this Bill, this Bill does not protect the institutions individually.
- Christopher Cabaldon
Legislator
If a student, if a campus loses its accreditation, it loses its accreditation. That's not covered by this bill.
- Christopher Cabaldon
Legislator
It simply says that WASC, the two WASCs, that if their approval to accredit is jeopardized or withdrawn, that the institutions and therefore their students can continue to be enrolled, earn degrees and have access to the Cal Grant and other state financial aid programs.
- Mike Fong
Legislator
Thank you so much. Are there witnesses and support in the hearing room? Are there witnesses in opposition in the hearing room? Are there tweeners in the hearing room? Colleagues, any questions or comments? A motion, a second. Thank you colleagues. See no further questions or comments. Senator, we'd like to close, please.
- Christopher Cabaldon
Legislator
I was waiting for the love from my two colleagues here, but it's not coming on this one. But very much appreciates the Committee's consideration of the Bill. This was a later development, but that's because of the situation in Washington. And I personally have long believed that accreditation needs some modernization and a fresh look.
- Christopher Cabaldon
Legislator
And I hope, I hope against hope that that's part of what comes out of this. That's not what this is about. This is about making sure that if something happens with the accrediting agencies that our colleges don't lose the next day their ability to operate and their students don't lose all of their financial aid within 24 hours.
- Mike Fong
Legislator
Thank you so much, Senator Cabalon for bringing this measure forward. Be proactive as to how our state can respond when something as foundation as higher education and accreditation process. We know we need to do more in this space and I look forward to working with you on these efforts.
- Mike Fong
Legislator
I respectfully urgent I vote and look forward to supporting the measure today.
- Committee Secretary
Person
Madam Secretary Rokol, please File item number 11SB744. The motion is do passed to the Appropriations Committee. [Roll Call]
- Mike Fong
Legislator
That measure has four ayes, two no's. We'll keep the rope in for additional measure Members. Adam, thank you. Thank you, Senator Cabaldo. Next up we'd like to welcome Senator Cortese presenting items number six and a eight. We'll start with number six. If that works for you. Senator SB 494, please welcome.
- Dave Cortese
Legislator
That'd be excellent. Thank you, Mr. Chair and Members. And before I go any further, I want to thank the Chair and the Committee staff for working with me and with my office on this Bill, SB4 94. We appreciate all the assistance with our work this year.
- Dave Cortese
Legislator
And I also want to say that I accept the Committee's proposed amendments and I have them here. If there's any need for me to confirm that further, please just let me know. SB 494 provides parity to classified employees in schools by guaranteeing that their disciplinary appeals are heard by an administrative law judge.
- Dave Cortese
Legislator
Under current law, teachers already have that right. If a K-12 teacher chooses to appeal a disciplinary decision made by their district, it's overseen by the Commission on Professional Competence. Community college faculty are also guaranteed a third party arbitrator paid for by the district. Classified employees, however, are not guaranteed the same right under current law.
- Dave Cortese
Legislator
This system is not equitable and it denies many employees a fair hearing. While classified employees represented by a union can collectively bargain for a third party hearing officer, the vast majority have not done so or have not been able to do so.
- Dave Cortese
Legislator
SB 494 provides classified employees with the same right as K-12 teachers, community college faculty, and many other public employees. So it's a parity bill. And this bill is cosponsored, I want to mention, by the California School Employees Association, CSEA and AFSCME before we move on with testimony.
- Dave Cortese
Legislator
It's also supported, as you can see from the analysis, by several other California unions. With us to testify today is Navnit Puryear with CSEA and at the appropriate time, I respectfully ask for an aye vote. Thank you.
- Navnit Puryear
Person
Good morning, Good afternoon, Mr. Chair, and Members of the Committee. My name is Navnit Puryear and I'm here on behalf of the California School Employees Association, a union representing more than 250,000 classified public school employees across the state. We're proud cosponsors of SB 494. At its heart, SB 494 is a parity bill.
- Navnit Puryear
Person
It would provide classified school employees with the same disciplinary appeal rights as teachers and community college faculty. Currently, a classified employee who is suspended or terminated and wants to exercise their right to an appeal hearing must have that hearing conducted by the school board.
- Navnit Puryear
Person
This deprives many classified school employees of a fair appeal because school boards typically vote to take the initial disciplinary action. It's unfair for the same board that voted to terminate or suspend an employee to also be the appellate body. I like to share the stories of two members who cannot be here today.
- Navnit Puryear
Person
One district terminated a maintenance employee over vague allegations of incompetence and insubordination. An arbitrator found that the district did not have enough evidence to support the termination and that the employee should be reinstated. Another district terminated a member shortly after she became chapter President and raised concerns at a school board meeting.
- Navnit Puryear
Person
She appealed it to an attorney representing the school board. The attorney refused to reinstate her. She was denied a fair discipline hearing. Classified school employees deserve the same disciplinary appeal rights as teachers, college faculty, and other public school employees. For these reasons and many more, we respectfully ask for your aye vote.
- Mike Fong
Legislator
Thank you so much. Are there witnesses in support in the hearing room?
- Bryant Miramontes
Person
Hello, Mr. Chair and Committee Members. Bryant Miramontes with AFSCME California, in support.
- Elmer Lizardi
Person
Good afternoon, Chair, Members. Elmer Lizardi here on behalf of the California Federation of Labor Unions in support.
- Mike Fong
Legislator
Thank you so much. Other witnesses in opposition in the hearing room? Are there tweeners?
- Andrew Martinez
Person
Good afternoon. Andrew Martinez, Community College League of California. We must be respectfully opposed to the measure, as we were to the previous measure the last year. We believe that this measure and we recognize that the authors has accepted amendments that we're proposing.
- Mike Fong
Legislator
Do you mind pulling the microphone just a little closer? Thank you.
- Andrew Martinez
Person
Of course. Recognize that there are amendments proposed in the analysis and that the authors agreed to accept those amendments.
- Andrew Martinez
Person
But we still have concerns about the bill and its scope, changing the number of days that can be filed from five to thirty, establishing taking away some of our ability to manage the employees through collective bargaining, and that we would have to wait for the administrative law judge process to take place.
- Andrew Martinez
Person
And whether or not there's enough administrative law judges across the state to manage this issue. We do have concerns about the one size fit approach to this proposal and have concerns about the impact we'll have on our managing our employees going forward. And with that, I must oppose the measure.
- Chris Reefe
Person
Thank you. Mr. Chair and members. Chris Reefe, on behalf of the California School Boards Association; first want to extend our gratitude and thanks to the Senator as well as the sponsors and meeting with us on this bill.
- Chris Reefe
Person
This, as you know, is a reintroduction of another bill that passed by this committee two years ago that was ultimately vetoed by Governor Newsom. You know, we work strongly with our labor partners and like to say that we agree with them 90 to 95% of the time. Unfortunately, here we are in that 5%, if you will.
- Chris Reefe
Person
Although much of the issue for us is on the K-12 side, it is unique in terms of very similar to the concerns raised by my colleague to my right here. This one size fits all applies to 944 school districts in California. Many - almost 60% of our school districts are small and located in rural districts.
- Chris Reefe
Person
This bill would mandate essentially the hiring and the retention of an administrative law judge, a pseudo judicial officer.
- Chris Reefe
Person
That would be extraordinarily costly to a district at a time when we're facing any number of uncertain times and pressures when it comes to the fiscal pressures that we're facing, not just at the state level, but at the federal level, as many of you know.
- Chris Reefe
Person
Additionally, the issue of parity, I would exercise some caution if I could recommend that to the committee as the codes are constructed differently for different classifications of employees. We have teachers who go through and get credentials.
- Chris Reefe
Person
It requires them to go through a credentialing program or a graduate school program, 600 hours of clinical service to be able to acquire that credential. It takes them two years to get permanency for a school district comparative to a classified school employee; it takes 90 days to reach permanency.
- Chris Reefe
Person
So, where you are trying to address issues of parity, this is actually pulling certain codes from one side of the education code and applying it to classifieds.
- Chris Reefe
Person
When you're not doing a holistic review of what is true parity, when we're comparing classified staff and credential staff, there is a long educational policy here that needs to be looked at and respected, all due respect to the committee; but we highlight that because this will cause fairly serious implementation concerns down road.
- Chris Reefe
Person
And so, for those reasons, and in full respect to the author and to the sponsors of the bill, we respectfully ask for your no vote. Apologies.
- Mike Fong
Legislator
Thank you so much. Is there additional witnesses and oppositions in the hearing room?
- Dorothy Johnson
Person
Good afternoon, Mr. Chair and members. Dorothy Johnson, on behalf of the Association of California School Administrators, in respectful opposition. And also, on behalf of my colleagues from the California Association of School Business Officials and the Riverside County Superintendent of Schools. Thank you.
- Andrea Ball
Person
Thank you, Mr. Chair and members. Andrea Ball, on behalf of the Orange County Department of Education, in opposition.
- Caitlin Jung
Person
Good afternoon. Caitlin Jung, on behalf of the Small School District Association, as well as the School Employers Association of California, in opposition.
- Lucy Carter
Person
Lucy Salcido Carter with the Alameda County Office of Education, in respectful opposition.
- Sam Nasher
Person
Sam Nasher on behalf of the Los Angeles County Superintendent of Schools, Dr. Debra Duardo, in respectful opposition.
- Rachel Shakluna
Person
Rachel Shakluna on behalf of CAROCP, the California Association of Career and College Readiness Organizations, in respectful opposition.
- Mike Fong
Legislator
Thank you. Are there tweeners in the hearing room? Colleagues, any questions or comments? Dr. Patel?
- Darshana Patel
Legislator
Yeah. Thank you. Thank you, Senator, for bringing this bill forward. I too will lean into the mic to make sure everyone can hear me. I appreciate you bringing this bill forward.
- Darshana Patel
Legislator
As a former school board trustee in a fairly large school district in California, the wellbeing of our school employees is something of a great concern to me. I do have a few questions that have given me pause on this.
- Darshana Patel
Legislator
One of them is it's my understanding that the process for appeal on a termination is a locally negotiated process. It gives our local union some autonomy on how they approach what they want to do with their employment status should they need to appeal, and then this would supersede that.
- Darshana Patel
Legislator
I have concerns around local control and want to maintain some local control for our members. Do you have any thoughts on that?
- Dave Cortese
Legislator
Yeah, thank you. It's a great question. It does not supersede a collective bargaining agreement. And whereas the union Say CSEA, for example, may want unilaterally to have a administrative law judge like this bill provides because of the nature of collective bargaining. Of course, there would have to be agreement.
- Dave Cortese
Legislator
And I think what the concern is in part of what has brought for the - some of the energy behind the bill is that although that's been put on the table in a lot of districts, the idea of having a neutral court just on the appeal side, it's not been successfully bargained. So, it can be bargained still.
- Dave Cortese
Legislator
The, an arrangement can be bargained. But once, once a decision is made, you know, to go with an ALJ, regardless of whether there's a collective bargaining agreement in place that covers this issue, this statute would require the ALJ.
- Dave Cortese
Legislator
So that's, it's not superseding, but it's - I prefer to think of it as augmenting what you could do with a collective bargaining agreement without being able to successfully bargain it.
- Darshana Patel
Legislator
Okay, and then another follow up question I have is many of our school districts are in have a personnel commission. I think it's about a tenth that still work with a personnel commission. How would this interact with the appellate process through the personnel commission?
- Dave Cortese
Legislator
It doesn't impact skelly hearings or, you know, any, you know, any personnel process of that nature. I don't know if there's boards and I'll be - I'll acknowledge that. I'm sure there's probably people in the room that know whether or not there are actually boards that have set up commissions.
- Darshana Patel
Legislator
So, this is specifically around the personnel commission, which is an appellate body in the hiring and termination process. I believe you have insight.
- Darshana Patel
Legislator
Okay, thank you. That, that is helpful because they have their own individual process. And then on the bigger picture, when we look at budgets, all of our school districts are struggling, frankly. And I, and it's difficult to say that it's a big budget perspective versus an individual employee and their grievances. Right.
- Darshana Patel
Legislator
It's hard to put one against the other. But the reality also is that there's a higher, significantly higher turnover in the classified employee staff. Have you done an estimate around what that cost would be looking at typical termination appeals in a district?
- Dave Cortese
Legislator
Yeah. If CSEA has done that much work and data, I'll defer to them.
- Navnit Puryear
Person
Thank you. So, our records show us that roughly 590 classified school employees are terminated every year. So, if all 590 of those
- Navnit Puryear
Person
Yes. So, there's not very many. So, if all 590 of those employee's appeal to an ALJ, the cost will be roughly 4.26 million.
- Navnit Puryear
Person
And we don't anticipate all of those employees appealing. And since this bill allows for districts and labor unions to negotiate alternative forms of agreements, we don't - we think that cost will actually be even lower.
- Mike Fong
Legislator
Thank you so much. Any further questions or comments? Assemblymember Gonzalez.
- Jeff Gonzalez
Legislator
Just to clarify, that's 4.2, roughly, give or take, which comes out to be about $7,000 per instance, is that correct?
- Jeff Gonzalez
Legislator
So, $7,000 per instance consuming 590 students. That's pretty steep. Okay, thank you.
- Dave Cortese
Legislator
Thank you very much. I just want to emphasize that the current situation, aside from where it's collectively bargained to have a neutral in place, requires the appeal to go right back to the school board that made the initial decision in the first place.
- Dave Cortese
Legislator
And while I think it's important to look at the appropriation or downstream costs, those are great questions that were just asked and answered. Ultimately, this comes down to the fairness of due process.
- Dave Cortese
Legislator
And it's not just parity because we want to be like the teachers or we want to be like the community college, but it's parity in the sense of justice in the due process so that people ultimately feel they got a fair disposition on their appeal. And I think that's what's important here.
- Mike Fong
Legislator
Thank you so much, Senator Cortese, for bringing this measure forward and for working with my staff on the amendments. We know that providing classified staff the opportunity to have fair and neutral discipline proceedings is important. And I look forward to supporting the measure here today. Do we have a motion? A motion by Jackson.
- Mike Fong
Legislator
Do we have a second? I'll second the bill. Madam Secretary, roll call. Please.
- Committee Secretary
Person
File item number six, AB 494. The motion is do pass as amended to the Appropriations Committee. [Roll Call].
- Mike Fong
Legislator
That measures three ayes, two no's and one not voting. We'll keep the roll, but for additional numbers, add on. Thank you. Thank you. Next up, we'd like to welcome Senator Cortese back for SB550. Item number eight. Welcome, Senator.
- Dave Cortese
Legislator
Every time I wanted to say it, thank you. Again and again I really want to thank the Committee, the Committee staff, the chair, of course, all of you for giving me the opportunity to present the bill today. But the Committee staff has been absolutely instrumental in getting us to where we are today.
- Dave Cortese
Legislator
I'm extremely grateful and extremely impressed with the work. The amendments that have been provided by this Committee I've read multiple times. I've been more impressed each time I've read them and I'm certainly in agreement with them. So thank you.
- Dave Cortese
Legislator
This bill addresses a long standing gap in California's legal education system by creating a proposed pathway for public legal education programs in San Jose. So I want to and specifically in San Jose, I want to thank the Committee and its staff for their their thoughtful work.
- Dave Cortese
Legislator
Again, I'm happy to accept the Committee amendments as I just said, but the idea, especially upon amendment, is to create a legal education pilot program in partnership with a nonprofit state accredited law school and San Jose State University.
- Dave Cortese
Legislator
I'll note for the Committee that we will be crossing these amends and Assembly Judiciary Committee that the bill is next headed to. I'm committed to that. That Committee's been working with us on these amendments as well.
- Dave Cortese
Legislator
San Jose, as many of you know, is the third largest city in the State of California, the largest city in the Bay Area, and one of the largest cities in the United States without a public law school. Santa Clara County is home to nearly 2 million residents, yet the region lacks an affordable, accessible option for legal education.
- Dave Cortese
Legislator
In Santa Clara County, over 65% of the population identifies as Asian American or Latino. Both groups remain severely underrepresented among licensed attorneys. Statewide, the average debt for law graduates now exceeds $130,000.
- Dave Cortese
Legislator
The 2024 study conducted by the American Bar Association found that 67% of all young lawyers, including those with and without loans, reported feeling stress about their finances. And those numbers are directly tied to private law school tuition. Again wanting to distinguish and emphasize why a public option is important.
- Dave Cortese
Legislator
This cost barrier drives talent away from public service careers and prevents first generation and underrepresented students from entering the legal profession. A 2024 study from the Equal Justice from the organization Equal Justice Works found that 79% of recent law school graduates cite low salary as a reason they would not pursue public interest law.
- Dave Cortese
Legislator
In 2023, only 9.7% of law graduates secured public interest jobs. This amounts to only 3,095 positions, 92% of low income Americans.
- Dave Cortese
Legislator
Civil legal needs went unmet in 2022, 92% unmet and an estimated 150 million legal problems go unresolved annually in the United States by authorizing a partnership of the sort that has been outlined in the bill with the amendments between San Jose State and a nonprofit state accredited law school.
- Dave Cortese
Legislator
This bill, SB550, through this pilot program, will help close those gaps and establish that they can be further closed in the future. The bill would allow San Jose State and the non profit law school to jointly award JD Degrees as well as undergraduate legal education certificates.
- Dave Cortese
Legislator
Both the CSU Board of Trustees and the governing board of the nonprofit law school must approve the pilot program. Lest there be any doubt about that, that is now a part of this bill. With us today is Magnus Herlin. He's the former President of the San Jose State University Pre Law Society.
- Dave Cortese
Legislator
I'd like to hear from him and in the meanwhile I respectfully ask for your aye vote. Thank you so much.
- Magnus Herlin
Person
Thank you. Good afternoon Chair Fong and Members of the Committee. My name is Magnus Herlin and I am a proud recent graduate of San Jose State University. To highlight the importance of SB550, I want to first briefly tell you a little bit about my story.
- Magnus Herlin
Person
In high school I had a semester where I had a 2.7 GPA and I felt pretty lost. But coming to SYESU was the best decision that I ever made. I ended up turning that 2.7 into a 3.97 and San Jose State was the place that really made me flourish.
- Magnus Herlin
Person
I worked hard every day and this coming fall I will attend law school at UC Law San Francisco. But my story is not unique. It is the SYesU story and one story that I've heard countless times from my peers.
- Magnus Herlin
Person
The story of San Jose State is about giving people a chance at success and that is why SB550 matters. By creating the first public law school in the CSU system, students like me and students who will come after me will be given a chance at a legal education.
- Magnus Herlin
Person
According to the State Bar, about 75% of attorneys changed their initial career plans and this was largely due to the high cost of a legal education. Many of those changes came from a public interest role into a private sector role. Simply put, California is losing out on many public interest lawyers due to the cost of education.
- Magnus Herlin
Person
The CSU system was created to serve the people of California and that should include providing access to an attainable quality legal education. Thank you for your consideration and I humbly ask for your support of this bill.
- Mike Fong
Legislator
Thank you so much. Are there witnesses in support in the hearing room? Are there witnesses in opposition in the hearing Room.
- Jessica Dwell
Person
Good afternoon, Mr. Chair and Members. Jessica Dwell at the University of California here in respectful opposition to SB550. I want to start by thanking the Chair and the Committee staff for their thoughtful work in trying to thread the needle on this issue. However, we remain opposed even with the amendments.
- Jessica Dwell
Person
We appreciate the author's intent in providing a public law school option in this district. However, the Master Plan of Higher Education maintains that UC has the exclusive authority to offer doctoral degrees for the public higher education segments.
- Jessica Dwell
Person
We do understand that since the Master Plan was adopted in 1960, Education and Labor workforce needs have changed significantly in the state. That's why in 2023 we came to an agreement with CSU to authorize CSU to offer doctoral degrees. And this law includes a review process that would ensure non duplication of existing UC degree programs.
- Jessica Dwell
Person
In addition, the recently passed state budget includes funding for intersegmental coordination of higher education. Discussions around revisiting the Master Plan or state workforce needs may be best discussed within this coordinating entity instead of piecemeal approaches. For these reasons, we must continue to respectfully oppose SB550. Thank you.
- Alex Graves
Person
Thank you. Welcome. Good afternoon Chair, Members. Alex Graves with the Association of Independent California Colleges and Universities representing 87 private nonprofit colleges and universities in the state. Also here in respectful opposition to the bill. Want to echo my my colleague's comments and that we appreciate the the work of the Committee to make amendments to the bill.
- Alex Graves
Person
But I think fundamentally we do still remain in an opposed position. Appreciate the interest in thinking about how to provide affordable, accessible access to law degrees, law professions and other high need fields that we see in the workforce and in certain regions of the state.
- Alex Graves
Person
Whether that's the health professions, law, teaching, those are again critical professions and important discussions to have.
- Alex Graves
Person
We similarly believe that the $1.5 million allocated in the state budget to form a higher ed workforce and coordinating body would be the appropriate forum to have this type of robust discussion, analysis and kind of needs assessment to think about both the problems and solutions for how we move forward.
- Alex Graves
Person
You know, we again absolutely share the goals around accessible, affordable access to these types of high need professions. The need for these types of discussions is going to be compounded by the recent action by Congress to eliminate graduate plus LO. And we're very concerned about that.
- Alex Graves
Person
Welcome those discussions to how we ensure we have this pipeline for the law professions and others.
- Alex Graves
Person
And while we appreciate the Committee amendments to move towards a joint pilot degree model, we do remain concerned fundamentally that by authorizing a joint degree pilot with the CSU that we are kind of continuing this piecemeal approach of straying from the existing framework that is in place regarding degree, authority for the different segments and so forth.
- Mike Fong
Legislator
Thank you. Any additional witnesses and opposition in the hearing room? Are there any tweeners in the hearing room? Some Members. Any questions or comments? Senator Gonzalez?
- Jeff Gonzalez
Legislator
Senator, thank you for bringing this bill. I just have a few few questions as I have California Desert Trial Academy School of Law is in my district, the only law school in Riverside County. So I'm trying to understand the implications here obviously for my own district and then the California implications across the board.
- Jeff Gonzalez
Legislator
What is the motivation for this specific bill? What was the initial motivation?
- Dave Cortese
Legislator
The motivation for this specific bill is the fact that we don't have a public law school in a county. It's actually a little smaller than Riverside County to a little over 2 million people by recent count. The 1960 Master Plan, as some remember, was 65 years ago. I was 4 years old at the time.
- Dave Cortese
Legislator
I graduated from the nonprofit law school, the state accredited law school myself in this area, as did one of our former police chiefs, numerous judges, the first independent police Auditor, the first Latina independent police Auditor in the State of California in the City of San Jose, who later became a sitting judge, and numerous other folks who look for a public option to go to law school couldn't find one and ended up going to a non profit accredited law School in 1960.
- Dave Cortese
Legislator
When the mass venom bring this up as relevant because this is what the opposition is talking about. They're hanging their hat on a 1960 master plan. San Jose had 95,000 population at that time, as we know by census, 95,000. It has 1.1 million today.
- Dave Cortese
Legislator
It was an area of prune orchards and pears and apricots and open fields, dairies. There was no way the master plan devised at that time could have possibly contemplated that there would be the need for a law school in the middle of Silicon Valley, in a city that calls itself the capital of Silicon Valley.
- Dave Cortese
Legislator
Whether you agree with that or not, the third largest city in the State of California, the largest city in the Bay Area with one of the most diverse populations in the world. There's no way a 1960 master plan could account for that.
- Dave Cortese
Legislator
And when you look at it more closely, the, frankly, the absence and willingness to take into account these kind of needs year after year, decade after decade, I think constitutes De facto redlining.
- Dave Cortese
Legislator
Because the answer, when we asked in terms of authored amendments if UC would be willing to take a look at this and be at the table with an option for first right of refusal in case this is really simply just a jurisdictional issue between them and CSU is he said no, flat out no.
- Dave Cortese
Legislator
And I think you could question the witnesses today and they would still say no. Well, if it's no, and we're unwilling to be at the table, we're also unwilling to account in our master plan for changes that have occurred over 65 years in one of the most changed areas of the world.
- Dave Cortese
Legislator
Then there's, there's something else going on here. But, but the real motivation is for the students themselves. You know, the students that attend this school now are much like the students that attended decades ago when I went. In some ways, you know, they're typically working. It's a four year evening program.
- Dave Cortese
Legislator
There are private schools, for example, that have four year evening programs. It's a four year evening program that's not as expensive but by any account as UC or certainly a Santa Clara University or Stanford or a Bolt Hall. And those students are oftentimes single moms. Case in 0.1 of my. A.
- Dave Cortese
Legislator
Former Member of my staff when I was a county supervisor who worked in my office for about a year later advised me that she was attending, most recently attending the state accredited school in San Jose with three children. Again, single mom, you know, borrowing and working her way through that program. She is now a 3L.
- Dave Cortese
Legislator
She has essentially a year and a half left to go to be sitting for the bar.
- Dave Cortese
Legislator
There's just no way an individual like that who had freed herself from gang affiliation as a young lady, worked and worked to gain a job as a legal secretary and a paralegal can find any other option for moving forward with her dream, her dream to be a lawyer, to sit for the bar and then be a lawyer in the State of California.
- Dave Cortese
Legislator
Many of these students choose immigration law, public service law. Not all. I certainly didn't. Some of the other examples are of folks who chose other professions. We're just trying to create opportunity in an area that's, that's been bottlenecked intentionally or or otherwise by, you know, whatever reason in the legislation is intended.
- Dave Cortese
Legislator
Now, a little different than what we first put in print to really create an opportunity for the schools, the subjects of the legislation, to not only have dialogue, but see if there's a possibility of them during the time frames and the guardrails that are listed now in the bill and the amendments, to come up with some kind of an integration, some kind of an integration plan.
- Dave Cortese
Legislator
Where they can do work together. The physical location of the two schools in question here are back to back physically and San Jose State, if you're not aware, I won't go into all that.
- Dave Cortese
Legislator
We don't have the time but has very much been in an expansionist posture taking over from the city the repertory theater, sharing the construction of the Martin Luther King library with model library in the area and so on, taking over the state building where our offices used to be.
- Dave Cortese
Legislator
So it seems like the time is ripe to look at this. But we don't want to waste people's time. We want to tell them go look at this. Knowing that you have some pretty restrictive legislation in place that enables you to do that. But yeah, go ahead and do it. That's the idea.
- Jeff Gonzalez
Legislator
So to the opposition, I'll afford you to rebut on that. But also I want to ask you as a follow on couldn't there be a UC satellite program that addresses this same piece or a fully online option that addresses the same piece. So number first question was what do you believe the motivation is behind this bill?
- Jeff Gonzalez
Legislator
Number two is couldn't you create a satellite program in that area and. Or a fully online option. To the. Yeah. To you guys? Yeah.
- Jessica Dwell
Person
When it comes to a fully online option, that is not something that we have explored. There are other online law schools. For example, Purdue is an online program that is a state accredited as well. As far as having like a localized program. We do have several, three Northern California law schools.
- Jessica Dwell
Person
So then College of Law, San Francisco and the one at Berkeley is about an hour drive absent traffic of course, because traffic is terrible in the Bay Area and then but it's also accessible by public transit. So then we haven't really explored that as an option.
- Jessica Dwell
Person
But then those law schools are not too far away from San Jose as well.
- Jeff Gonzalez
Legislator
So it kind of reinforces his, his argument then of, of accessibility for that region. Right. But because of traffic, time, distance, direction, it reinforces the fact that there's a need for this program in that area. Would at least that's what I, I just heard you say.
- Jessica Dwell
Person
I mean my response to that argument would be we do have two programs, pretty close options. It's not ideal of course for if you're living at home from San Jose and of course traffic is pretty inconvenient as well.
- Jessica Dwell
Person
But then it's, it's commutable and also like opening up a new UC law school in San, in San Jose, for example would be very expensive to do and we don't have the funding to do that at this point.
- Jeff Gonzalez
Legislator
So because of that. I get that. Piece of being of the Senator's argument of proximity. Right. I get Magnus, great name, by the way. Thank you. I get how San Jose has been the right fit for you. We never know what the right fit is until we get into that. So I get those pieces.
- Jeff Gonzalez
Legislator
I also understand the UC's position on this and I'm trying to maybe create a bridge where, where is that bridge? But I don't hear a bridge there for that community that's in need. My only, my pause, I have two pauses to this and I'll, you know, hand this off is number one.
- Jeff Gonzalez
Legislator
And I won't name this the school, but it's in the, it's in the notes. Here is their exam pass rate, which is pretty low. And how would that change with the merger? Would those professors be let go? And now we have new professors under this new school.
- Jeff Gonzalez
Legislator
So that's one piece of the puzzle or the curriculum, or how do you increase it from 30.9 to something a little bit better? Because then all we were doing is just moving the problem over. Right. And my, the, the second piece to this puzzle is, is the, the funding mechanism associated with this.
- Jeff Gonzalez
Legislator
Those are my two, my two biggest concerns. And I don't know if you have an answer to the first one.
- Dave Cortese
Legislator
The, the bar pass rate. Most recent bar pass rate was 49.0 something percent I. That's on the record that was just celebrated at the school in California State Bar. Essentially the accreditation is. It's not based on one criteria, bar pass rate.
- Dave Cortese
Legislator
There's a number of criteria the state bar looks at, but it's their accreditation process and bar pass rate is most important. This school, like I think a lot of schools started running into problems during COVID and their bar pass rate. And what you may be looking at is where it went down post pandemic.
- Dave Cortese
Legislator
And the school is, is accredited now and it has to maintain its bar pass rate. This bill requires the school to maintain its bar pass rate for five consecutive years.
- Dave Cortese
Legislator
Not the exact bar pass rate, but to maintain its accreditation, which would include its bar pass rate for five consecutive years to even be eligible for any, any further, any further work under this bill.
- Dave Cortese
Legislator
So we've in effect taken the word merger out of this bill, created a pilot where if they can stand up a, a cooperative relationship as described here, they'll have the ability to operate that for six years.
- Dave Cortese
Legislator
And you know, with the sunset that ties all of that, all of those dates together, basically the, the number of years that they have to be consistently bar accredited the number of years that they can operate under this bill. And then, you know, as, as I said, a sunset. That's one of your questions.
- Jeff Gonzalez
Legislator
But will San Jose State absorb the fiscal challenges that this current school is having or will it be independent of San Jose State?
- Dave Cortese
Legislator
That's up to them to negotiate. If they don't, if they aren't unable to negotiate an operating agreement amongst themselves, all of this is, is moot.
- Dave Cortese
Legislator
This, all this hinges is one of the very specific guardrails listed in the bill, listed in the amendments is that that both of the entities themselves separate from the CSU trustees, but the entities themselves have to sign off on a final operating agreement before anything can go forward. So that'll be a business negotiation.
- Dave Cortese
Legislator
I'm not sure if it'll be successful or not. At the end of the day, I'd certainly do anything I could to help facilitate it. It's presumed from an author standpoint that the affiliation with San Jose State, a more formal affiliation can, any kind of sharing can help. Library would be top of mind. Instantly.
- Dave Cortese
Legislator
Students have access to a library that's literally walking distance across campus from 2nd street over to 3rd street to walk right into San Jose State Library, actually 4th, 4th street, so it's two blocks. You know, there's any number of.
- Dave Cortese
Legislator
As we all know, I think most every one of us at some point came out of a four year undergrad environment. There are going to be so many supports for students just on the natural that are available that wouldn't be available to neighboring students, you know, coming in and out. So.
- Dave Cortese
Legislator
You know, it could range from mental health services to, like I said, the immediate access to law books and things that drop in centers for computer use and so forth. So, you know, all of that is exciting to think about. We don't think it's exclusive to CSU.
- Dave Cortese
Legislator
You know that there are other kinds of arrangements in the world that could lead to that same kind of synergy. But here, the natural synergy, use word proximity. I think the proximity of these two schools alone jumps out at you as why aren't they working more closely together for the benefit of students and prospective students?
- Dave Cortese
Legislator
Can I just say, Leslie, you mentioned access. You all know, because you serve on this Committee. I've never served on a Higher Education Committee, only an education Committee in the Senate. But access and affordability are two significant components of the master plan.
- Dave Cortese
Legislator
So what then remains is this issue of jurisdiction, I think, you know, and whether we're going to get stuck there or not.
- Corey Jackson
Legislator
Thank you very much, Senator. I certainly understand the need and I think that unfortunately we know that the master plan is really outdated and it's not anyone's fault except the Legislature's fault. And because we failed to create a process where this master plan is updated periodically, we are found ourselves in these type of situations.
- Corey Jackson
Legislator
So I don't really find arguments utilizing the master plan of why we can't do something because I don't think it's valid because it's just outdated. Again, it's no one's fault. I mean this is the position we've put systems in. We need to.
- Corey Jackson
Legislator
And what we've done in the past when we've gone outside of the master plan, we've said that a particular region, a particular community really needs this. And you shouldn't have to venture outside of your own communities or your own region to be able to receive the type of education services that you need.
- Corey Jackson
Legislator
And so I look forward to. Would love to work with you. I would love to work with you. Mr. Chair. It's time for us to get this master plan updated and set it on a routine updating every decade something. I mean hell, we do the census every 10 years. Can I say that? My bad.
- Corey Jackson
Legislator
But the idea is that we do the census every year. Why can't we do, I mean, every year, the census every 10 years. Why can't we do something like that for the master plan? And so I prefer the original version that you had before the Committee amendments because it's what your community needs.
- Corey Jackson
Legislator
And it's because of this outdated master plan that we're trying that we go through these things again, no one's fault but the Legislature's fault and we just need to fix it. And so you know what your community needs. And I know if I needed something that for my community, I hope you take my word for it too.
- Mike Fong
Legislator
Thank you so much. Senator Jackson we have a motion. Do we have a second? Second by Dr. Sharpe Collins any further questions or comments? CNN Senator, would you like to close please? I respectfully asked for your aye vote. Thank you.
- Mike Fong
Legislator
Thank you so much, Senator Cortese for working closely with our Committee and our office and just really, we believe a pilot that encourages collaboration and thoughtful planning and evaluation is a big step forward and appreciate my colleagues comments as well.
- Mike Fong
Legislator
And thank you for your work and efforts and working with our Committee again and for your leadership on this. With that, I look forward to supporting the Bill today. Madam Secretary, roll call.
- Mike Fong
Legislator
That measures three ayes, three nos, and we'll keep the rope in for additional Members. Thank you so much. Next up, I'd like to welcome Senator Perez. Thank you so much for your patience. I'm presenting Item number one, SB98, followed by SB323. Welcome, Senator Perez.
- Mike Fong
Legislator
We'll start with 98 if that works for you. Item number one, SB 98, by Senator Perez. Thank you. Welcome.
- Sasha Perez
Legislator
Great. Thank you, Chair and Members. SB 98, the Safe Act, requires K through 12 schools and higher education institutions to notify students, staff, and other campus community members when immigration enforcement agents are present on campus. Ensuring access to education in a safe space for all students is largely a state responsibility.
- Sasha Perez
Legislator
Unfortunately, school campuses have begun to see an increased presence of immigration enforcement entities on campuses. The presence of immigration enforcement officers can have detrimental effects on the student body and staff, especially for those who may be undocumented or otherwise without permanent status.
- Sasha Perez
Legislator
Although schools and higher education institutions in California have guidelines for individuals on their rights and how to engage with immigration enforcement agents when they are present on campus or nearby campus, there are no requirements for school or campus administration to inform the campus community of their presence.
- Sasha Perez
Legislator
SB 98 addresses the aforementioned gap by requiring the students and the school are notified of immigration enforcement agents on campus. These timely notifications are imperative for schools to be able to prevent panic, promote a sense of security, and maintain an environment where all students, regardless of immigration status, feel safe and supported.
- Sasha Perez
Legislator
This Bill will give students and educators peace of mind in the classroom, while also maintaining the state's commitment that educational institutions are safe places where students can learn, teachers can educate, and schools can be a place exclusively dedicated to teaching and uplifting the next generation.
- Sasha Perez
Legislator
Today with me, I have Alicia Macal, a student at Balsam Lake College, and Lucia Hermosa, a student at UC Santa Barbara. At the appropriate time, I respectfully ask for an aye vote.
- Alicia Macal
Person
Good afternoon, Chair Fong and Committee Members. My name is Alicia Macal, and I'm here on behalf of the Student Senate for the California Community Colleges, the official voice of 2.1 million students, in strong support of SB 98.
- Alicia Macal
Person
This Bill matters because undocumented students from kindergarten through college deserve a safe and stable educational environment, and right now, they don't have that.
- Alicia Macal
Person
In just the past month, principals and district staff from two elementary schools in Los Angeles reported that immigration enforcement agents showed up without federal warrants, attempting to question students as young as first through fifth grade.
- Alicia Macal
Person
Currently, there is no law requiring notification to parents at the K through 12 level or to students in higher education when immigration officials are present on or near a school campus. This lack of communication fosters fear, confusion, and silence, especially among mixed status families, undocumented students, and student parents. We're already seeing the real impacts of this.
- Alicia Macal
Person
Professors report a sharp decline in attendance, especially in ESL classes. Some have even moved instruction back to Zoom, not for convenience, but out of concern for the safety of their students. SB 98 is a critical step toward protecting our students and upholding the basic right to education.
- Alicia Macal
Person
It would require schools to notify parents at the K-12 level and students in higher education if immigration officials are present on campus. By ensuring transparency, this Bill would help alleviate fear, protect our undocumented student population, and reinforce that every student, regardless of status, deserves to have access to their education without intimidation or uncertainty.
- Alicia Macal
Person
Undocumented students are vital members of our schools and communities, many having grown up here, yet they remain excluded from not only essential support systems like financial aid, campus jobs, and work study programs, but also from critical information that directly impacts their safety.
- Alicia Macal
Person
Access to timely, transparent communication about potential risks on campus is fundamental to protecting their wellbeing and allowing them to fully participate in their education without fear. SB 98 is not just a policy, it's protection. We respectfully ask for an aye vote on SB 98. Thank you.
- Lucia Hermoso
Person
Good evening, Chair Fong and Members of the Committee. My name is Lucia Hermoso. I'm a rising senior at UC Santa Barbara and on behalf of the UC Student Association, we are proud sponsors of SB 98.
- Lucia Hermoso
Person
At a time when immigrant communities face increasing attacks and uncertainty across the country, it is more important than ever that we ensure our schools and colleges serve as places of learning where students can feel safe without fear of ICE trying to enter campus.
- Lucia Hermoso
Person
SB 98, the Safe Act, makes it clear that when ICE is present on a school or campus, students, parents, faculty, and staff are immediately notified of their activity. Similar to emergency warnings or fire drills or lockdowns, students in school communities should be equally informed of immigration enforcement on school grounds.
- Lucia Hermoso
Person
This Bill prioritizes transparency, communication, and preparedness for all Members of a school community, especially parents and school staff who want our kids to be safe. For students who are undocumented or come from mixed size families, the presence of immigration enforcement can be deeply traumatizing. This can negatively impact academic performance and affect long term mental health.
- Lucia Hermoso
Person
Increased ICE raids across Los Angeles and the state, as well as hospitals, churches, and schools no longer being off limits mean that California must find ways to protect our most vulnerable. SB 98 fills a critical gap in our current protocols.
- Lucia Hermoso
Person
While there are guidelines on how schools should respond to immigration enforcement, there is no legal obligation to inform the campus community. That silence leaves students and their families vulnerable to panic and misinformation. With the Safe Act, we can affirm that all students, regardless of immigration status, have a safe and stable environment where they can learn without fear.
- Mike Fong
Legislator
Thank you so much. Are there witnesses in support in the hearing room? Welcome.
- Trevor Nelson
Person
Good afternoon. Trevor Nelson with the California Alliance of Childhood Family Services, in support.
- Navnit Puryear
Person
Navneet Puryear, on behalf of the California School Employees Association, also in support.
- Austin Webster
Person
Chair and Members, Austin Webster with W Strategies, on behalf of the Anaheim Union High School District, the Academic Senate for California Community Colleges, and Unidos US, in support.
- Lan Lee
Person
Llang Lee, on behalf of Asian Americans Advancing Justice Southern California and also, the Undocu Spartan Student Resource Center at San Jose State University, in strong support.
- Chin Wenberg
Person
Chin Wenberg, Friends Committee on Legislation of California, in support.
- Elmer Lazardi
Person
Elmer Lizardi, on behalf of the California Federation of Labor Unions, in support. Thank you.
- Silvia Shaw
Person
Sylvia Solis Shaw, on behalf of the California Faculty Association, proud to be a co-sponsor, and I'd also like to voice support for the California Academy of Child and Adolescent Psychiatry.
- Elise Borth
Person
Elise Borth, on behalf of the California Community Foundation, in strong support.
- Maria Morales
Person
Maria Morales, on behalf of Hispanas Organized for Political Equality, in support.
- Tatiana Torres
Person
Tatiana Torres, with the California Community Colleges Chancellor's Office, in support.
- Sam Nasher
Person
Sam Nasher, on behalf of the Los Angeles County Office of Education, in support. Thank you.
- Adam Keigwin
Person
Hi, Mr. Chair, Members. Adam Kegwin, on behalf of Alliance College Ready Public Schools, and California LULAC, in support.
- Xavier Maltese
Person
Xavier Maltese, with the California Charter Schools Association, in support.
- Rebecca Gonzales
Person
Rebecca Gonzalez, Western Center on Law and Poverty, in support.
- Sabrina Means
Person
Sabrina Means, on behalf of Pasadena City College and also, Los Angeles Community College District, in support.
- Cooper Kenny
Person
Cooper Kenny, on behalf of San Francisco Unified School District, in support. Thank you.
- Rachel Shakluna
Person
Rachel Shakluna, on behalf of the El Camino Community College District, in support.
- Valerie Johnson
Person
Valerie Johnson, with the California Undocumented Higher Education Coalition, as well as the Coalition for Humane Immigrant Rights, CHIRLA, in support.
- Mayra Baena
Person
Good afternoon. Mayra Baena with the Mesa Verde Group, on behalf of the Alliance for a Better Community, in support.
- Unidentified Speaker
Person
Good afternoon...with the Mesa Verde Group, on behalf of the Southern California College Attainment Network, in support.
- Carol Gonzalez
Person
Good afternoon. Chair and Members. Carol Gonzalez, on behalf of the Cal State Student Association, the official voice of 160,000 students, proud co-sponsor, and on behalf of Ed Trust West, in support. Thank you.
- Griselda Chavez
Person
Griselda Chavez with the Mesa Verde Group, on behalf of the Central American Resource Center and our friends at College for All, in support. Thank you.
- Reemo Hooper
Person
Reemo Hooper, with the UC Student Association, in strong support. Thank you.
- Mike Fong
Legislator
Thank you so much. Are there witnesses in opposition in the hearing room? Are there tweeners in the hearing room? Colleagues, any questions or comments? Vice Chair DeMaio.
- Carl DeMaio
Legislator
I find it to be absolutely offensive and abusive to our children to be scaring them with stunts like a bill like this. And it just, that's what's we know that that's what you're doing here.
- Carl DeMaio
Legislator
There is no practical effect of this Bill. When you actually look at how you would possibly implement it, becomes a complete burden and disaster to school districts.
- Carl DeMaio
Legislator
I'm sure you'll have the votes. I have a voice and I have a right and an obligation to voice the concerns. You don't have to incorporate that into your Bill going forward.
- Carl DeMaio
Legislator
I think if you do care about these kids, you would withdraw your Bill and you'd focus on something else that would actually benefit kids and bring these kids together and bring them the love and the support that they need, not the fear and division that your Bill represents.
- Carl DeMaio
Legislator
Which, which law enforcement agency are we going to demonize tomorrow? Are we going to go after social workers who might be at a school to investigate sex abuse? Should we tell all parents that there was a social worker that paid a visit to investigate a child being molested? Parents have a right to know about that.
- Carl DeMaio
Legislator
But no, we don't do that because it's not proper. It's inflammatory, it spreads fear, and it certainly is not proper when it comes to the enforcement of law and investigations. Again, you get to decide what you're going to do with your majority votes. But I will call it out as it goes through.
- Mike Fong
Legislator
Thank you. Any further questions or comments? Seeing none. Senator, would you like to close, please?
- Sasha Perez
Legislator
I mean, Assemblymember DeMaio is certainly entitled to his opinion and certainly, if he cares about sexual assault that's happening in K-12 schools, I'd invite him to coauthor my Bill, SB 848, that's not related to this legislation that addresses much of that situation and all of the horrendous cases that we've seen in our K through 12 schools.
- Sasha Perez
Legislator
I've been really proud to be able to work on SB 98 that is in partnership with Republicans as well and have been really pleased to see the bipartisan support that we've earned on this Bill.
- Sasha Perez
Legislator
I understand that for Assemblymember DeMaio and others who don't live in reality that they may feel that there is not any sort of immigration enforcement presence near these schools, that it's not having any sort of impact on children, on kids. But the reality is that it is. There have been multiple reports.
- Sasha Perez
Legislator
There were two confirmed reports within Los Angeles Unified School District that happened, two of which actually happened the day before I presented on the floor. In addition to that, we've also had reports come from people that were impersonating immigration officers that tried to enter a school bus.
- Sasha Perez
Legislator
And it has been very unfortunate that we've seen these things even occur and take place within our K through 12 institutions.
- Sasha Perez
Legislator
We need to set up a process for warning and informing parents and teachers and students when these events happen, in the very same way and with the same systems that we have to warn parents and students and teachers of other events. We have the technology already, and to say that we don't would just be completely incorrect.
- Sasha Perez
Legislator
So, I'm really excited to be coauthoring this and really want to honor the students that are sitting next to me that helped with crafting this and moving this legislation forward. I think that they have really put a lot into this Bill and really, it's their brilliance that helped to bring this forward.
- Sasha Perez
Legislator
So, for the sake of not just students, but parents and teachers, I think, all across the state who have the right to know when these events are happening on campus, I think we need to pass and implement this law as quickly as possible. That's why we have urgency language in it. So, respectfully ask for your aye vote.
- Mike Fong
Legislator
We have a motion and a second. Thank you so much, Senator Perez, for bringing this very critical, important measure forward. The challenging times that we're facing, we must continue to do everything possible in our power to protect our most vulnerable on our campuses.
- Mike Fong
Legislator
And I'm pleased to support this Bill here today as it continues to provide the necessary protections for our students, faculty, staff, and communities in these very challenging times. With that, Madam Secretary, roll call, please.
- Mike Fong
Legislator
We have four ayes, two noes, and one not voting. We'll keep the roll open for additional members to add on. Thank you so much, Senator Perez. Next up, we have Senator Perez presenting item number five, SB 323. Welcome.
- Sasha Perez
Legislator
Good afternoon, Chair and Members. I'm here today to present SB 323, the California Financial Aid Assurance Act. I want to thank the Chair and Committee staff for their collaboration and I will be accepting the Committee amendments reflected on page seven. SB 323 does two things.
- Sasha Perez
Legislator
It requires that CSAC or the California Student Aid Commission make the California Dream Act Application or the a CADAA permanently available to all students regardless of their eligibility for federally based financial aid.
- Sasha Perez
Legislator
It also requires CSAC and the higher education institutions to collaborate to communicate consistent, transparent, and accurate information to students and their families about their college financial aid application options. California's investments in state financial aid toward college affordability have opened doors for hundreds of thousands of Californians to pursue and succeed in higher education.
- Sasha Perez
Legislator
In 2013, California enacted the California Dream Act and extended access to state and institutional financial aid to California college students who are ineligible for federal forms of financial aid. The 2020 FAFSA Simplification Act attempted to modernize, streamline, and expand access to the FAFSA application.
- Sasha Perez
Legislator
Unfortunately, these efforts introduced barriers for students from mixed out families requiring substantial proof to submit their applications. While seemingly well intended, these overhauling changes have caused a myriad of technical issues, some of which I'm sure you heard from your very districts over the last year.
- Sasha Perez
Legislator
I know certainly I had to work with a lot of high school students and assisting them with completing their FAFSA and raised new privacy concerns for many FAFSA eligible students and their families.
- Sasha Perez
Legislator
In addition to these technical issues, additional troubling Federal Government education related dynamics that are causing students to reconsider seeking financial aid and even applying to college altogether. And the unclear Future of the U.S. Department of Education as well as the unprecedented levels of data sharing between federal agencies create new concerns for families.
- Sasha Perez
Legislator
As college bound students and families deliberate and may become dissuaded from pursuing college because of what may be happening with the Federal Government, it is incumbent we provide California college bound students with a stable, safe, and alternative state based financial aid application to feel safe in applying for financial aid and choosing to go to college.
- Sasha Perez
Legislator
We cannot afford to lose a generation of students and that's why I introduced this measure. With me here to testify in support of SB 323 today are Alex Zucco, State and Federal Policy Manager at the California Student Aid Commission and Kevin Bibiano with the UC Student Association. At the appropriate time, I ask for your aye vote.
- Alex Zucco
Person
Thank you. Good afternoon. I'm Alex Zucco from the Student Aid Commission and I'm here to give a presentation on 323 as well as answer any technical questions about the California Dream Act Application, should you have any after. As the Senator mentioned, the 2020 Better FAFSA Application rollout was not a huge success. There was a few glitches.
- Alex Zucco
Person
A few of them being that technically it became near impossible for students that had one or more parents or spouse that did not have a Social Security number from completing the application.
- Alex Zucco
Person
So during those two years, the prior two years, this one included, we allowed mixed status families or students that had that condition to apply and use the CADA that gave them the on ramp to the Cal Grant. That is not a new bucket of money. There's not CADA money and Cal Grant money.
- Alex Zucco
Person
There is just one bucket of money and the FAFSA and the CADA are those on ramps to the money. So we are just trying to make sure that all the students that are eligible for California aid have the right on ramp.
- Alex Zucco
Person
Imagine you all want to go to Disneyland, gotta get on the right freeway and it's not the 605. But however, we did have a further environment in the federal atmosphere that does give us the landscape of students being now a little nervous with some data sharing agreements that are new to a lot of people.
- Alex Zucco
Person
We want to make sure that while they're still having those kind of conversations because a college decision for an entire family is a huge one, that they all are making decisions based on options and not on what is just left and that what is prescribed.
- Alex Zucco
Person
We want to mitigate those challenges by allowing anybody in California that is eligible for California aid to apply for the CADA and get that on ramp to Cal Grant. This does not also then give them access to federal aid and that is actually part of one of the amendments is really taking that.
- Alex Zucco
Person
We want to make sure students know it is already written on the California Dream Act Application. You do forego federal aid. So this is not something that is new, but we want to have more because it is a big loss. It addresses the confusion in the applications.
- Alex Zucco
Person
We want to have the, have it available regardless of their eligibility for financial aid. It responds to the challenges of the FAFSA rollout as well as some of the insecurities of what might be happening at the federal level with the Department of Education. There could be a situation where the Department of Education does no longer exist.
- Alex Zucco
Person
And maybe they say every state must administer Pell on their own. How are you going to do that? Well, we already have the California Dream Act Application to do that. This gives us that on ramp. Oh, I'm sorry.
- Alex Zucco
Person
Lastly, this does not prohibit FAFSA eligible students from applying for FAFSA. This would allow them to if students do start out with the CADA process and then they decide halfway through like, hey, everything is hunky dory everywhere. I'm going to apply for the FAFSA.
- Alex Zucco
Person
They absolutely can do that and and that we match it up on the back end. The students, seamless for the students and there's only still again, one bucket of money. Does not get extra money. Please vote yes and that's all I have. Thank you.
- Kevin Bibiano
Person
Good afternoon, Chair Fong and Members of the Committee. My name is Kevin Bibiano and I'm currently serving as the Policy and Advocacy Aide for the UC Student Association, a proud cosponsor of SB 323 by Senator Perez. Last year, thousands of students applying for FAFSA struggled to submit their applications.
- Kevin Bibiano
Person
The delays and technical glitches with the 2024-25 version created a ripple effect, prompting an extension of the state priority deadline and leading institutions to struggle with calculating financial aid offers. In response, the Student Aid Commission made the California Dream Act Application available to students from mixed status backgrounds.
- Kevin Bibiano
Person
This effort to mitigate the gap in students whose applications are in limbo pertains to SB 323. High school seniors and already enrolled college students continue to face challenges resulting from the new FAFSA. In particular, many are still worried about the potential risk to their loved ones, even after overcoming the technical difficulties with the form.
- Kevin Bibiano
Person
As a low income student from a mixed status family myself, I also had to navigate these barriers. At its best, the new FAFSA delivers aid through an inefficient and inequitable process. At its worst, it remains a federal asset with sensitive information, which many fear under the current national climate is vulnerable to federal misuse.
- Kevin Bibiano
Person
Thankfully, the California Dream Act Application has provided an alternative way for students from mixed status families who were hit hardest by the new FAFSA to ensure the consideration for state and institutional aid. Like so many California students, my dream of a college degree would have been impossible without financial aid.
- Kevin Bibiano
Person
That's why it's critical that state law clearly outlines the California Dream Act Application as an option for Californians regardless of their eligibility for federal aid. Students who are unable or uncertain about submitting a FAFSA now or in the future deserve this state level alternative.
- Kevin Bibiano
Person
Such a guarantee ensures students don't have to make impossible choices, but can make informed ones about their ability to apply for assistance. SB 323 is about options, protecting sensitive information, and empowering California students and families to decide for themselves which financial aid application is best for them.
- Kevin Bibiano
Person
I urge your aye vote in support of college affordability for students from all backgrounds. Thank you.
- Mike Fong
Legislator
Thank you so much. Other witnesses in support in the hearing room, welcome.
- Tiffany Mok
Person
Tiffany Mok with CFT, wanted to thank the witnesses for their great testimony as well. Thank you.
- Stephanie Goldman
Person
Stephanie Goldman on behalf of the Faculty Association of the California Community Colleges, in support.
- Alisha Nagpal
Person
Alisha Nagpal on behalf of the Student Senate for the California Community Colleges, proud cosponsor of this bill, in full support.
- Valerie Johnson
Person
Valerie Johnson with the California Undocumented Higher Education Coalition as well as CHIRLA, Coalition for Humane Immigrant Rights, in support.
- Sarah Bouabibsa
Person
Hi, Sarah Bouabibsa with the Institute for College Access and Success, in support.
- Elise Borth
Person
Elise Borth on behalf of the California Community foundation, in support.
- Imran Majid
Person
Imran Majid on behalf of the California Community College Chancellor's Office, in support.
- Maria Morales
Person
Maria Morales on behalf of Hispanos Organized for Political Equality, in support.
- Lucia Hermoso
Person
Lucia Hermoso on behalf of UC Student Association and as a UC Santa Barbara student, in support.
- Mayra Baena
Person
Mayra Baena with the Mesa Verde Group on behalf of the Alliance for a Better Community, in support.
- Orchidia De Reyes
Person
Good afternoon. Orchidia De Reyes on behalf of our friends at the College for All Coalition, in support.
- Griselda Chavez
Person
Griselda Chavez with the Mesa Verde Group on behalf of the Southern California College Attainment Network, proud to be a cosponsor. Thank you.
- Carol Gonzalez
Person
Good afternoon. Carol Gonzalez on behalf of the Cal State Student Association and EdTrust-West, in support. Thank you.
- Adam Keigwin
Person
Adam Keigwin on behalf of Alliance College-Ready Public Schools and California LULAC, in support.
- Mike Fong
Legislator
Thank you so much. Are there witnesses in opposition in the hearing room? Are there tweeners in the hearing room? Colleagues, any questions or comments? The motion. Second. Assembly Member Gonzalez. Followed by Assembly Member Tangipa.
- Jeff Gonzalez
Legislator
Thank you, Senator. I just have a couple clarifying questions so I can understand this a little bit better. So prior to the California Dream Act was specifically for undocumented students, right?
- Jeff Gonzalez
Legislator
So now, any documented undocumented doesn't matter can apply for that's what this Bill is saying.
- Sasha Perez
Legislator
It is, it is allowing open access to anybody to be able to utilize the application. And in the case, as you heard us describe before, I'm not sure where you began your time in government, if you started in local government, but over the last couple.
- Sasha Perez
Legislator
Okay, that's helpful to know. I, you know, I was in local government before this and there were a lot of issues with the rollout of the new FAFSA application, particularly as was mentioned. Yeah. Since that was part of the challenge that folks faced if they had a parent that had an ITIN number and that caused huge delays.
- Sasha Perez
Legislator
Even some Members of the Legislature, including some of your neighboring colleagues, moved legislation to delay the that deadline for completing the FAFSA. So this opens it up so that anybody may be able to utilize it. We're hoping that we get this FAFSA situation cleaned up this year.
- Sasha Perez
Legislator
If the Department of Education, which we know is being eliminated, decides that they want to move forward with something new or eliminate it, that allows anybody to be able to utilize it.
- Jeff Gonzalez
Legislator
I just want to clarify a couple pieces in this for, for my own district and for those who are, who are watching. So it's illegal for FAFSA to release citizenship information which. Or eligible non citizenship. So we know that. By the way, I like this. So don't, don't attack. Okay. Because there's, there's some misinformation out there. Right?
- Jeff Gonzalez
Legislator
And I want to make sure that people understand that it's, you know, it's illegal to talk about citizenship status. Number two, the FAFSA form does not ask about a parent's citizenship.
- Jeff Gonzalez
Legislator
My concern, I guess, is a, is a mixed status and how that's going to work, that's down the line because one could be documented, one could be undocumented. Where does FAFSA look if there's no ITIN? So I think there's some, there might be some administrative issues to sort out within this down the road on specific.
- Jeff Gonzalez
Legislator
And I don't know if it has been sorted out by the way. I'm just foreseeing it has not been sorted out. So if there's a mixed status parents and someone wants to go with, with the California Dream Act, but there is no ITIN that they can't go with FAFSA. They could still go with California Dream Act. Right?
- Sasha Perez
Legislator
You have to, you can't use both. You want to go ahead and expand?
- Alex Zucco
Person
Correct, yeah.You can't, you have to, because the first, in the first point, while FAFSA is not sharing information yet with ICE, the IRS is going to and your IRS information is now hard loaded into your FAFSA. And that is why, that is what the Better FAFSA was doing.
- Jeff Gonzalez
Legislator
Don't make me a no, let's just kind of. Let's just stick to the question
- Alex Zucco
Person
And that, that's federals, that's not us. But this part for the ITIN , that's no longer a, that's not, no longer a number you can use in FAFSA. So that's where the parents were getting blocked out. But you have a different identifying number in California.
- Alex Zucco
Person
So the parents that if a student is applying for CADAA, their parents can use their identifying numbers in California to apply for CADAA to get to the Cal Grant. It's not getting them to federal money.
- Jeff Gonzalez
Legislator
No, I got that piece. I understand that that portion and I understand the potentials that are out there and trust me, I've seen a million hypothetical situations. And I appreciate the thinking, the foresight of saying, okay, if this does happen, we have a plan in place. I'm good with that, that portion of it.
- Jeff Gonzalez
Legislator
What I, what I would want to clarify for those who are the parents who are listening and watching out there is understand what your rights are. Understand what FAFSA is, understand what CADAA is. Understand that you can't have both. Right? Because that'll be the question. Why can't I get both?
- Sasha Perez
Legislator
And then, and we've also in the bill have made language clarifying that as somebody is completing the CADAA application, that they will be informed that they cannot also do a FAFSA because you cannot complete both applications. That's actually information that's already included in the application.
- Jeff Gonzalez
Legislator
How does that cross trigger? Because, because I know when I, when we did it for my son just a year ago, actually less than that. We're in there and we're doing that. What is it in there that will stop me, the parent in California from completing the form out. And how does FAFSA know that the CADAA was, was done? What is that stopping mechanism?
- Alex Zucco
Person
So there's forms that are generated by the CADAA and the FAFSA. They're called ISIRs. And it's like Identifying Student Information Record. And that is what comes to every grant aid agency in the United States. CADAA just for California. FAFSA for everybody.
- Alex Zucco
Person
So when those are all then sent to California, they are reconciled and we do the match on our end. So if some student has actually filled out a CADAA and a FAFSA, we match them and then they only get the one on ramp into one bucket of.
- Jeff Gonzalez
Legislator
No, no, I just, I'm just trying to figure out where that, what Department that happens in program.
- Jeff Gonzalez
Legislator
I'm concerned with the very small percentage of someone who might want to take advantage of the system when we're trying to do something good that there. Is there an audit or something that says, oh, wow, we're, we're getting a lot of these issues or we're not even finding this. What is that process in play there?
- Alex Zucco
Person
So when you do fill out both forms and they both come to the Student Aid Commission, they are matched. In theory also, you're picking your schools. And so then we are going to then say, okay, Jeff Gonzalez has now filled out a CADA and a FAFSA, and Jeff has filled out the same colleges on both.
- Alex Zucco
Person
It's like, wow, that's really weird. Jeff that lives at 1290123 Blastoff street has applied for two different things and he wants to go to Cal State LA. We're only going to give him one bucket of money because you can't have two buckets of money.
- Alex Zucco
Person
And that is reconciled on our end before it even goes to the institution to be packaged for your student for your financial aid package. That happens at the Student Aid Commission before it goes out to any institution.
- Jeff Gonzalez
Legislator
Does it happen manually at an individual or is that a, there's software that says stop.
- Alex Zucco
Person
And there's not that large of a number of students that this is occurring with. So it is, It is done manually.
- Jeff Gonzalez
Legislator
Okay. Yeah, that was. I think that was my greatest concern with this piece is the, the oversight is, now it's open to everybody. Right? We knew from an undocumented perspective you're not going to get the FAFSA. So there was that line right there.
- Jeff Gonzalez
Legislator
But now you're saying on the CADAA side, everyone can open it up, then there's the opportunity for obviously bad actors to do that. But if you're saying that there is already a system in place and that alleviates my concern. Thank you.
- Mike Fong
Legislator
Thank you so much. Any further questions or comments, Senator if you'd like to close, please.
- Sasha Perez
Legislator
Yeah, one, appreciate Assembly Member Gonzalez. The technical questions really value that. I spent my career in education, so in financial aid is particularly important, especially that oversight component and accountability. We're having a lot of discussions about those sorts of things right now in the education space for a number of reasons.
- Sasha Perez
Legislator
The California Student Aid Commission Commission is the lead sponsor of this bill, so we're working very closely with them on it. And some of the technical pieces that we need to work out here.
- Sasha Perez
Legislator
Certainly, you know, we're getting this prepared for a just in case scenario, but also think that it's going to be a very important tool if we run into another situation where the Federal Government decides to make updates to the FAFSA and the rollout doesn't work out that well. And that's what happened in 2020.
- Sasha Perez
Legislator
I was sitting down with dozens of high school students trying to figure out why the FAFSA application wasn't working.
- Sasha Perez
Legislator
Making calls up here to the California Student Aid Commission and figuring out very quickly that the application was having huge issues for students all across the state and very quickly learned from talking with anybody, whether it was in public schools or charter schools, that parents, families were having a major issue trying to access student aid.
- Sasha Perez
Legislator
You know, I think that this can help in a number of different scenarios, that being one of them. So just close by, respectfully asking for an aye vote. Thank you.
- Mike Fong
Legislator
Thank you so much, Senator Perez, for your leadership and efforts around financial aid and for everything you've done to really make sure that students have the best options possible in applying for financial aid and for accepting the Committee amendments as outlined on page seven of the analysis. And I'm pleased to support the measure here today.
- Mike Fong
Legislator
That measures five ayes, two no's, and we keep the row open for additional members add on.
- Mike Fong
Legislator
Thank you so much, Senator. Now, at this time, we'll entertain add ons. Madam Secretary. That's perfect. At this time, we'll entertain add ons for the consent calendar and then we'll go through each item in America order. Thank you so much, colleagues.
- Committee Secretary
Person
Madam Secretary, the consent Calendar consists of two items. File item number three, SB 244. The motion is do pass to the Appropriations Committee and File item number 4 SB271. The motion is do pass to the Human Services Committee.
- Mike Fong
Legislator
That measure is eight ayes. We'll keep the row open for additional members. Next item, please.
- Committee Secretary
Person
File item number 6 SB 494. The motion is do pass as amended to the Appropriations Committee.
- Mike Fong
Legislator
That measure has three eyes. I mean, I'm sorry, five ayes and three noes. We'll keep the row open for additional members. Thank you. At this time, we'll do item number seven. Can we get a motion on item number seven, please? Motion and a second. Thank you, colleagues. Madam Secretary. Roll call, please.
- Committee Secretary
Person
File item number 7 SB 520. The motion is do passed to the Appropriations Committee.
- Mike Fong
Legislator
That measure six ayes when voting. We'll keep the roll open for additional Members. That on next up is item number 8.
- Committee Secretary
Person
File item number 8. SB550. The motion is do pass to the Judiciary Committee.
- Mike Fong
Legislator
That measures five ayes, three nos. We'll keep the rope and for additional Members. Thank you.
- Committee Secretary
Person
File item number 10 SB 640. The motion is do pass to the Appropriations Committee.
- Mike Fong
Legislator
That measure is nine ayes. We'll keep the were open for additional members. Thank you.
- Committee Secretary
Person
File item number 11 SB 744. The motion is do passed to the Appropriations Committee.
- Mike Fong
Legislator
That measure has six ayes, three no's, and we'll keep the rope in for additional Members. And that sure is out. Next up is item number 12.
- Mike Fong
Legislator
Can we get a motion on number 12, please? That's 761. Bison, we have a motion to second. Thank you, colleagues. We have a motion to second. Let's let our Madam Secretary have the roll call, please.
- Committee Secretary
Person
File item number 12 SB 761. The. The motion is do pass as amended, to the Human Services Committee.
- Mike Fong
Legislator
Thank you so much. That measurer has 87 ayes. And we'll keep the rope open for additional members. Thank you.
- Committee Secretary
Person
File item number 13 SJR 4. The motion is do pass to the floor. We need a motion and a second.
- Mike Fong
Legislator
We have a motion to second. Thank you, colleagues. Madam Secretary, Roll call, please.
- Mike Fong
Legislator
That measure has four ayes, two nos. When not voting, we'll keep the RO open for additional members. Thank you so much, colleagues that are present here. Thank you for your robust discussion and for all your hard work and efforts on the Higher Education Committee this first year of the session. And we'll keep the roping for additional Members.
- Mike Fong
Legislator
Sergeant, if you can call the absent Members, please. Thank you so much, Vice Chair. And thank you so much, colleagues.
- Mike Fong
Legislator
Thank you so much, colleagues. At this time, we'll entertain add ons. We'll start with the consent calendar and. Then we'll go through each file item by numerical order. Madam Secretary, would you like to start with the consent calendar, please?
- Mike Fong
Legislator
That measure has 10 ayes. Thank you so much, colleagues. Consent calendar is out.
- Committee Secretary
Person
File item number one. SB98. The motion is do pass to the Appropriations Committee.
- Mike Fong
Legislator
That measure has six ayes and two nos and one not voting. We'll keep the roll open for additional Members.
- Mike Fong
Legislator
That measure has seven ayes, two nos. That measure is out. Thank you.
- Mike Fong
Legislator
That measure has six ayes, three nos and one not voting. That measures out. Thank you, colleagues.
- Mike Fong
Legislator
Thank you. Collins. That measure has nine ayes and one not voting. Thank you.
- Mike Fong
Legislator
Thank you. That measure has seven ayes, three no's, and that measure is out.
- Mike Fong
Legislator
Thank you, colleagues. That measure, seven ayes and three nos. That measures out. Thank you.
- Mike Fong
Legislator
Thank you, colleagues. That measure, seven ayes and two nos and one not voting, that measures up. Thank you.
- Mike Fong
Legislator
Thank you so much, colleagues. That measure, seven ayes, two nos and one voting. And it's out.
- Committee Secretary
Person
File item number seven, SB520. The motion is do pass to the Appropriations Committee. I'm sorry. Sharpe-Collins.
- Mike Fong
Legislator
Yeah, I think we're good. Well, thank you so much, colleagues, for. A robust Sunday Higher Education Committee meeting. And thank you. That, and to our Higher Education Committee staff and to all our colleagues, thank you for your robust engagement and discussions here, and hope everyone has a great summer recess.
- Mike Fong
Legislator
And with that, our Assembly Higher Education Committee meeting is adjourned.