Hearings

Senate Budget and Fiscal Review Subcommittee No. 3 on Health and Human Services

April 9, 2026
  • Caroline Menjivar

    Legislator

    We're ready. Great. Good morning. Alright, y'all. Okay, so here we go. I got to catch an earlier flight today. We're going to do this. You're going to get me out of here, right? Very important topics. Going to give them their time due. A little crunch today.

  • Caroline Menjivar

    Legislator

    We are hearing from four different departments today, but we're gonna do a little special out of order to be mindful and accommodate a stakeholder proposal that we need translation. We did not? Okay. But we're still doing it first. Great.

  • Caroline Menjivar

    Legislator

    So we're gonna start with issue number 26 on proposal for investment before we turn to HCAI. So if we can have the Let California Kids Hear and Children Now or come present their proposal for large group coverage of hearing aids. After this proposal, we're gonna take public comment on this topic. Hi. Hold on. Stand on.

  • Michelle Marciniak

    Person

    Okay. Thank you so much for having us today and being such an incredible champion over the years for us. It means everything. My name is Michelle Marciniak with Let California Kids, and I'm a mom. For eight years bipartisan efforts have received unanimous support yet have been pulled back, blocked, vetoed, and the administration's program has not functioned as hoped.

  • Michelle Marciniak

    Person

    With the federal pathway no longer viable, we need a path forward for California's kids. You've heard from our doctors, but today I wanted you to hear from the kids. With that said, I'd like to introduce Marie.

  • Unidentified Speaker

    Person

    Chair and Members. My name is Marie. I've been boarding Southwest flights to Sacramento since I was in first grade. And these are some of my fellow advocates who have been coming here since they were babies, held by their moms in public comment, rolled into the room in their strollers.

  • Unidentified Speaker

    Person

    Most of our crew is in school today or at IEP meetings or audiology appointments. Year after year, we ask for the same thing, equal access to sound. Research shows that children with access to sound by three to six months of age can develop at the same rate as their peers.

  • Unidentified Speaker

    Person

    I'm now in ninth grade in the business magnet program, where we're learning how to evaluate market failures, return on investment, and how government regulation works. I wanna walk through a few numbers and ask a few questions. When we started this journey, only 15 states covered pediatric hearing aids. Today, 35 states do. Why is this so complicated in California?

  • Unidentified Speaker

    Person

    Since newborn hearing screening was adopted in 1998, only 9% of plans cover medically necessary hearing aids. As Dr. Daniela Carvalho at Rady Children's Hospital has said, we do a beautiful job screening, but fail miserably at treatment. Is that a market failure?

  • Unidentified Speaker

    Person

    And while we all choose different ways to communicate, the choice of whether a child gets access to sound shouldn't be dictated by our family's health plan. And in Southern California, why are children in the largest closed system being fit with adult hearing aids that are not appropriate for children and don't connect to classroom speakers, which gives them access to instruction?

  • Unidentified Speaker

    Person

    Since 2021, California has allocated three... No, $30 million to HACCP. Less than 300 kids have been served. About 20,000 children are still waiting. What is the return on this taxpayer investment? And why is Maximus' fixed fee three times higher than the dollars allocated to for children?

  • Unidentified Speaker

    Person

    Pediatric hearing aid hearing loss is low incidence, but without early access, cost can reach $1.9 million per child. So why are we identifying children early, but allowing health plans to shift the cost of treatment to taxpayers? One of the first pictures my mom took of me here in Sacramento was with my oversized turquoise backpack in front of the California for all sign, right next to the governor's office.

  • Unidentified Speaker

    Person

    Governor, after all these years of trying to fix this, why aren't we included in California for all? California invests in programs like Talk, Read, Sing, but those benefits aren't accessible to infants and toddlers like us without access to sound. We wanna hear our moms and dads say I love you and go to school with our brothers and sisters.

  • Unidentified Speaker

    Person

    Our plea is simple. Don't let the process stop children from hearing this year. As Dr. Dylan Chan at UCSF Benioff Children's Hospital testified in 2019, this is a developmental emergency that has been unfolding for years in California. It's not only devastating for families, but it is costly to society. And I'd like to turn it over to my mom to share a cost saving proposal that will serve more children.

  • Caroline Menjivar

    Legislator

    Michelle, you don't have much time. Okay?

  • Michelle Marciniak

    Person

    Great. This is not new spending. It's a smarter use of existing dollars to serve more children and it also reduces general fund exposure. This is a clear path forward and it's aligned with the legislature's intent. And they've all wanted to say something.

  • Unidentified Speaker

    Person

    It's time for the California kids hear.

  • Michelle Marciniak

    Person

    You guys want to do it one more time? Ready?

  • Caroline Menjivar

    Legislator

    I got that.

  • Michelle Marciniak

    Person

    Perfect. Thank you.

  • Caroline Menjivar

    Legislator

    Michelle, what's different with this proposal than the ones from previous years?

  • Michelle Marciniak

    Person

    Yes. So in previous, in previous years, we included everyone, including the kids in the exchange. And it's the reason why it was vetoed. Because if you include the kids in the exchange, that triggers an $11 million defrayal cost according to CHBRP. So we're saying let's do large group market, get the majority of the kids across the finish line this year, and we will continue to work at the federal level on the exchange in the coming years.

  • Caroline Menjivar

    Legislator

    Do you have a number of how many kids would be covered if we, if we do this in the large?

  • Michelle Marciniak

    Person

    We think it's somewhere between like 70% of the kids will move across it. It's anywhere between 70 to 80%. We have asked the health committees for an updated CHBRP report. I don't know if that has been requested. But the best we can guess is that it's 70-80% of the kids we get them across the finish line.

  • Caroline Menjivar

    Legislator

    Okay. And do you know how much money is being put under HACCP a year?

  • Michelle Marciniak

    Person

    It shifts every year. When we started, it was 10 million for the kids. 6 million for the vendor. It's flipped where there's more money for the vendor now and less for the kids. And so basically, the analysis that is that we've done is there's been 30 million, and we have a chart we can share. But there's been 30 million allocated.

  • Michelle Marciniak

    Person

    23 million of that has gone to fixed, a fixed administrative costs. The rest, about 7 million, was allocated for kids but went unspent. We were in a call with the Department of Healthcare Services a few weeks ago and at that time 250 hearing aids have been dispensed. And that is evaluated through the TARs. So the TARs paid. So there has been 250 TARs paid as of a few weeks ago.

  • Caroline Menjivar

    Legislator

    Thank you so much. Thank you. We'll take public comment on this issue.

  • Johanna Wonderly

    Person

    Hi. My name is Johanna Wonderly. I've been following this issue since 2019. It's time to let California kids hear.

  • Kimberly Stone

    Person

    Kim Stone, Stone Advocacy, on behalf of the California Children's Hospital Association in enthusiastic support. Thank you.

  • Kasey Cain

    Person

    Hi. My name is Kasey Cain. I am a parent of a deaf and hard of hearing child. I'm an educational audiologist, and I am the current board president for California Hands and Voices. We've been fighting this fight for eight years, and it's time to let California kids hear. Thank you.

  • Caprice Shular

    Person

    Hi. My name is Caprice. My daughter, Avery, is up here, and we've been coming here since 2019. And, it's time to let California kids here.

  • Caroline Menjivar

    Legislator

    Thank you.

  • Ronda Rufsvold

    Person

    My name is Ronda Rufsvold. I'm the executive director of a local school for kids who are deaf and hard of hearing. Wearing a little little mini shirt because we see the little kids. They're in school right now. But I'm in support of this.

  • Ronda Rufsvold

    Person

    I'm also a teacher of the deaf and hard of hearing from background. So for the last 20 years, I've seen the impact of kids getting hearing aids and kids not getting hearing aids. Thank you.

  • Nora Angeles

    Person

    Nora Angeles with Children Now. We align ourselves with the testimony from Michelle and Let California Kids Hear. And we urge you policy makers to take strong action to address the persistent developmental emergency around access to sound. Thank you.

  • Katelin Van Deynze

    Person

    Katie Van Deynze with Health Access California in strong support of ensuring there's timely access to hearing aid and sudden services. Thank you.

  • Paul Wonderly

    Person

    Good morning. I'm Paul Wonderly. Four of these kids are mine all impacted by this, and so I'm in full support. Let California kids hear.

  • Caroline Menjivar

    Legislator

    Is this the family vacation?

  • Paul Wonderly

    Person

    Pretty much.

  • Caroline Menjivar

    Legislator

    Thank you so much. I just want to share the resiliency from this group is so strong. I know that it's been eight long years. I've been with you on four years of that eight year long hurdle. I just want to say I'm really grateful that you continue to come back and have not given up on this matter, even though we continue to fail you year and year again.

  • Caroline Menjivar

    Legislator

    But I am very hopeful that maybe one day we'll get CMS to approve our request, at least for the, for the individual and for the individual plans on the exchange. So thank you so much for coming. I hope that we don't get to a point where you're Michelle's age and you're still here testifying on these things and we fix this sooner rather than later.

  • Michelle Marciniak

    Person

    We recently told her, Marie, I'm gonna be like 80 years old and I'm gonna be like, it's our year, honey. So really hoping that's not the case. But we just, we feel so touched by the strong leadership that we have had for the last eight years and with you for the last four years. This is a bipartisan issue. Everyone has backed us. You guys have always been with us and it means everything. So thank you. Thank you so much

  • Caroline Menjivar

    Legislator

    Thank you all. Bye. Okay. He liked it up here. So what one additional addition, additional addition. One additional thing before we move on to HCAI. Department of Finance would like the floor. Did you bring kids with you? Okay.

  • Victoria Rapley

    Person

    Victoria Rapley, Department of Finance. As we begin today's hearing, which covers four departments and 26 issues, the administration would like to provide some introductory remarks to contextualize our discussions. As noted in previous hearings, both the administration and the legislature must address the broader issue of balancing the structural deficit so that we can sustain the state's vital programs that support millions of Californians. This means making difficult decisions to address the over 20,000,000,000 budget deficit that is projected throughout the multi year.

  • Victoria Rapley

    Person

    We understand and share concerns related to federal changes.

  • Victoria Rapley

    Person

    However, any conversation around mitigating HR 1 or federal policy more globally must balance addressing this deficit and limiting new costs, so that we can responsibly support our core programs going forward. Furthermore, we would note that the hearing agenda includes numerous proposals for investment. To the extent these are legislative priorities, we can provide technical assistance on the proposals.

  • Victoria Rapley

    Person

    Though, no, any proposals will have to be considered as part of the overall budget framework. Given the projected significant outyear deficits. We understand these discussions must take place and we look forward to working with the legislator to develop a sustainable fiscal plan that serves all Californians.

  • Caroline Menjivar

    Legislator

    Thank you. First time here?

  • Victoria Rapley

    Person

    No.

  • Caroline Menjivar

    Legislator

    I don't remember your face. I apologize. It's only the second. Second time.

  • Caroline Menjivar

    Legislator

    Okay. So I'm not there yet. Yes. Okay. Great.

  • Caroline Menjivar

    Legislator

    Thank you so much for that. Moving to HCAI with our first issue.

  • Elizabeth Landsberg

    Person

    Good morning, madam chair. Elizabeth Landsberg. HCAI, the Department of Healthcare Access and Information and that was a hard act to follow, with those kids. I've been asked to provide a high level overview of HCAI's mission and programs.

  • Elizabeth Landsberg

    Person

    Our mission is to expand access to quality, equitable, affordable Healthcare for all Californians by supporting high value delivery systems, resilient health facilities and workforces, and actionable health information and strategies. We have five main program areas. We are a leader in collecting data and disseminating information about California's Healthcare infrastructure and publishing information about Healthcare outcomes. This work encompasses the Healthcare payments data program or HPD. The state's all payer claims database which we have a budget proposal to fund ongoing.

  • Elizabeth Landsberg

    Person

    HCAI is the building department for hospitals and skilled nursing facilities, monitoring the construction, renovation, and seismic safety of these facilities which I'll talk more about. We also have health workforce program seeking to build a healthcare workforce to serve medical members, to serve in medically underserved areas, and to reflect the Californians that it serves. You're familiar with our basic, workforce programs. We also support programs that ensure Californians have access to reproductive healthcare including abortion services.

  • Elizabeth Landsberg

    Person

    On the finance side, HCAI has our Cal mortgage program which offers loan insurance to non profit and public health facilities.

  • Elizabeth Landsberg

    Person

    We administer the distressed hospital loan program as well as the small and rural hospital relief program. We on the, HCAI has a number of programs aimed at improving healthcare affordability, including the office of healthcare affordability, the Cal Rx program, and the hospital fair billing program. And, most recently, last fall, we developed California's application for the rural health transformation program, which we'll discuss, later in the agenda. Question two. Should I move on, madam chair?

  • Elizabeth Landsberg

    Person

    Question two asks for an update on the CalRx program. So I will start with our biosimilar insulin initiative. So CalRx as partnered with Civica RX, a non profit pharmaceutical company to develop both short and long acting types of insulin. The 2022 budget included 50,000,000 to support development of the insulin products. And under our contract, we have those Max prices locked in.

  • Elizabeth Landsberg

    Person

    So, $55 for the five pack of pens and $30 for the, ten milliliter insulin. Uninsured Californians or those with high deductibles today commonly pay $300 per vial and 500 for a five pack. This year in January, we launched CalRx's first branded insulin glargine pens. That's a long acting at the $55 for a five pack. And this initiative introduces competition into a historically high cost insulin market dominated by a few manufacturers.

  • Elizabeth Landsberg

    Person

    And so we are here to interrupt that very broken pharmaceutical market. The Naloxone Access Initiative. Two years ago in May 2024, we contracted, for the manufacture and distribution of Naloxone nasal spray, a medication that blocks the effects of opioids and can reverse, an overdose. Our initial price was $24 for a twin pack, which was more than a 40% saving over the price the state was paying. We've now lowered that to $19 per twin pack.

  • Elizabeth Landsberg

    Person

    And in April of 2025, CalRx announced that our naloxone is now available to all Californians at the same low price. So we are doing direct to consumer. We are also the primary supplier for Department of Healthcare Services Naloxone distribution program, which supplies over 2,000,000 boxes of Naloxone per year free of charge to qualifying entities, community based organizations, fire departments, hospitals, and the like.

  • Elizabeth Landsberg

    Person

    Since the NDP began in October 2018, they've distributed over 8,000,000 boxes, which have been used to reverse more than 224,000 overdoses. As of, March 2026, CalRx's Naloxone access initiative helped save the NDP, almost $50,000,000.

  • Elizabeth Landsberg

    Person

    We are now working on the school albuterol initiative. So, last year's budget included, authority for up to 5,600,000 to support CalRx partnerships, with CDPH office of school health. And we are planning to launch a centralized ordering system to provide California schools with two albuterol inhalers and 25 spacers so it can be used by multiple kids who are in respiratory distress and may not have their own inhalers. K through 12? Yes.

  • Elizabeth Landsberg

    Person

    Yes. K through 12 schools. So we're, collaborating with the school nurses on a training program, and that should start going out, soon. I'll keep going. So we've been asked to provide an update on the reproductive health care grant program.

  • Elizabeth Landsberg

    Person

    So, proposition 35 Health Care Act includes 90,000,000 for reproductive health care services support. So the first 90,000,000, in 2025, HCAI administered two contracts and all of those funds have been fully expended. And we're currently working on the contract for the 90,000,000 from Prop 35 for 2026. It's confusing because they're all 90,000,000. This legislature, in early action, did 90,000,000 general fund to provide grants to reproductive health care provider planned parenthood affiliates, and we have executed that contract.

  • Elizabeth Landsberg

    Person

    And that provides funding for family planning services. Almost 62,000,000 of that 90,000,000 has been paid on the grant, and we are preparing to process a last payment for the remainder. And then last, we also executed a contract for 56,000,000 from the abortion access fund for abortion services to ensure access to abortion, And most of those funds have been expended of the 56,000,000. Approximately 16,000,000 remains. And I wasn't gonna go through the the 2022, 2023, programs.

  • Elizabeth Landsberg

    Person

    You just wanted the update on the funds. Is that correct? Yes. Okay. Next, I've been asked to provide an update on the office of health care affordability.

  • Elizabeth Landsberg

    Person

    OCA was funded, and created four years ago by the legislature in the budget and pleased to provide an update. It was established to slow the growth of health care spending while maintaining, or we hope actually improving equity and quality and access. We have three core work streams, spending growth, high value system performance, and review of market consolidation. And so these three efforts have been shown, research has been clear that these together can help support a more affordable and sustainable health care system.

  • Elizabeth Landsberg

    Person

    On the spending target side, the board did adopt in April 2024, the first health care spending targets, those apply to all health care entities, hospitals, health plans, physician organizations.

  • Elizabeth Landsberg

    Person

    The target chosen by the board was 3.5%, this year coming down to 3% by 2029. And a spending target sets a limit on how much health care spending should grow each year. Because we heard for many months from consumers who were unable to access health care services at the hospital or faced very high hospital bills in their area, We did a meeting in Monterey, California and did months of analysis to try to understand hospital spending costs.

  • Elizabeth Landsberg

    Person

    We did identify seven high cost hospitals who were charging prices at twice the average of other hospitals in California. And based on that, the health care affordability board did decide to establish hospitals as a sector and to have a lower spending target on those high cost hospitals.

  • Elizabeth Landsberg

    Person

    So that target is 1.8% this year coming down to 1.6 by 2029. So in order to understand the health care spending in California, we're collecting new data and publishing reports on that. And then we're using that data also to measure the health plans against these spending growth targets. So last June, we released our first baseline report with health care spending trends from 2022, '23. And this summer, we plan plan to publish a report with the 2024, spending data.

  • Elizabeth Landsberg

    Person

    OCA, as I mentioned, has a number of initiatives to improve the quality and value of California's health care system, including increasing investment in primary care and changing the way care is paid for to really emphasize quality. So we set standards and goals for alternative payment models. Those were approved by the board, in June 2024, and these are intended to support greater adoption of, value approaches that promote equitable high quality and cost efficient care.

  • Elizabeth Landsberg

    Person

    We also develop benchmarks for primary care because when we spend more on primary and early intervention preventive care, we see improved health equity, improved health outcomes, and lower overall spending. So we developed a definition for primary care.

  • Elizabeth Landsberg

    Person

    The board set a benchmark, and that is a ten year benchmark. And we're starting to collect data both on the APMs, and on primary care. We also adopted equity and quality measures, set so that we can measure equity and quality at the same time we're measuring cost. The third main component of OCA seeks to, have oversight of market consolidation because we know market consolidation is one of the cost drivers throughout the country.

  • Elizabeth Landsberg

    Person

    And so we have new authority to review proposed mergers and acquisitions of health care entities.

  • Elizabeth Landsberg

    Person

    So two years ago, there's a requirement that before there's a merger acquisition involving a health care entity, they have to file a notice with us. We review those notices if we're concerned that there will be a negative impact to access or affordability. We can do a deeper cost to market impact review. So in two years of that program, we've reviewed 40, transactions and done two full cost to market impact reviews. One that was recently published and the other that is in flight.

  • Elizabeth Landsberg

    Person

    In November, we also published an investigative study of hospital market competition in Monterey County, finding that the exceptionally high hospital prices in the region are due primarily to their market power rather than high operating costs or superior quality of care. OCA is currently developing, enforcement processes for entities who exceed the spending target with consideration for health system performance measures. So this year is the first enforceable year of the targets. So a lot of our Board Meetings have focused on discussing

  • Caroline Menjivar

    Legislator

    What do you mean or this?

  • Elizabeth Landsberg

    Person

    This 2026. So we'll be measuring the growth from '25 to '26. '25 was a baseline year, and '26 is the first enforceable year. So we're having a lot of conversations with the board and our public meetings about the enforcement process. And there was a question specifically about the impact of HR 1 and how we're thinking about that.

  • Elizabeth Landsberg

    Person

    So OCA has publicly discussed the impacts of HR 1 with the health care affordability board, which has the decision making authority over the targets. And the consensus from the board at this time was not to adjust the spending targets. We know that HR 1 will impact health care entities differently depending on a range of factors including payer mix. And if the spending targets were increased across the board, this could result in higher costs for commercial market consumers undermining the goal of healthcare spending.

  • Elizabeth Landsberg

    Person

    The goal that healthcare spending should not grow faster than household income.

  • Elizabeth Landsberg

    Person

    Additionally, because OCA will report and enforce targets separately by market, this allows for evaluating the impacts of various factors such as state and federal policy decisions impacting spending trends. So we have the ability to look by market and by entity at what the factors were that if there were entities that exceeded the target and really under try to understand what those factors were. So that has been the discussion to date.

  • Elizabeth Landsberg

    Person

    And then last, madam chair, I was asked to provide an update on hospital compliance with the Alquist Act. So this framework has been in place, starting in 1971 and really guided by lessons learned from past earthquakes, including the Sylmar earthquake where a number of hospitals collapsed, the '94 earthquake, in Northridge.

  • Elizabeth Landsberg

    Person

    So this overall framework has been in place, for many decades. California has made substantial progress toward compliance, particularly in strengthening the structural, safety of hospital facilities. So we think of the structural facilities, the bones of the building, and then the nonstructural facilities like, are these panels gonna fall off the walls? Is the electrical system adequately braced? Are the pipes adequately braced to actually be able to provide health care?

  • Elizabeth Landsberg

    Person

    So we'll talk a little bit about both structural and nonstructural. So there are, a little over 410 general acute hospitals in California with 3,500 hospital buildings. About more than 80% of these hospitals have fully complied with structural standards. So more than four in five hospitals in California are fully compliant with structural standards, meaning we believe that they are safe to provide care after the big earthquake comes in California.

  • Elizabeth Landsberg

    Person

    A total of 649 buildings remain in the SPC two category, meaning that we do not believe they are at risk of collapse, but we don't think they would be able to provide services after the big earthquake.

  • Elizabeth Landsberg

    Person

    And 18 buildings remain in the highest risk category of SPC one. They are subject to a 2025 deadline due to collapse risk, and the state is actively working with these facilities to resolve the remaining high risk buildings. In addition to the structural safety, hospitals must continue to upgrade nonstructural systems that are essential to maintaining operations during and after an earthquake, including electrical systems, backup power, HVAC, and critical utilities. About half of hospital buildings remain in the lower performance categories for these systems.

  • Elizabeth Landsberg

    Person

    And there are some hospitals that are fully compliant with the 2030, seismic requirements.

  • Elizabeth Landsberg

    Person

    All hospitals are required to submit seismic compliance plans to HCAI, and approximately 90% of hospitals have done so. So these plans identify whether hospital buildings will be retrofitted, replaced, or removed from service along with a timeline for completion. I also wanna note that HCAI administers the small and rural hospital relief program. This legislature created that program a number of years ago.

  • Elizabeth Landsberg

    Person

    There are funds available for us to assist hospitals, small rural critical access, and distressed hospitals in helping them both design, their approach to coming into compliance and actually funding construction.

  • Elizabeth Landsberg

    Person

    We have, to date spent, granted 16,000,000, in grants. And we are ready and stand, able and anxious to work with additional hospitals to get those dollars out and help them to comply. Compliance plans indicate that there are approximately a 100 hospital facilities that don't facilities that don't expect to meet the 2030, deadline. These are about 40 or under review for AB 869 review.

  • Elizabeth Landsberg

    Person

    So under AB 869, small rural critical access hospitals have the ability to come in and ask for an extension, and we do a case by case basis.

  • Elizabeth Landsberg

    Person

    They submit a compliance plan with milestones that we review and work with them on and we can grant, extensions for that subset of hospitals. We do also have 60 hospitals who don't qualify for current statutory criteria. And at the same time, a significant number of hospitals are actively advancing projects to come into compliance with the 2030 requirements. I know that was a lot of information, madam chair.

  • Caroline Menjivar

    Legislator

    Yes. It was. It's overview. You don't have anything to add. Right?

  • Jason Constantouros

    Person

    Jason Constanturos, Salio. I just also wanted to note if you're tracking initiatives at HCAI, another initiative that could be worth tracking is the sort of diaper access initiative. This was adopted last year's budget. There's another round of funding for it in this year's budget as was agreed to as part of last year's multi year. And so if you're trying to sort of do basic oversight, that's sort of another Initiative in that.

  • Caroline Menjivar

    Legislator

    Thank you. Okay. So you've addressed some of the additional questions I had but on the workforce programs director, I'm interested to know the geographic breakdown of where the individuals are getting some of the support. Just wanna know where we're getting them and is it helping with meeting the needs in terms of providers in hard to reach areas?

  • Elizabeth Landsberg

    Person

    Absolutely. Madam chair, thank you for the question. So we do have a research data center at HCAI that's looking at that data by geographic region, and that's really critically important to us. So we do determine which are HPSAs, which are the health plan or the health performance?

  • Scott Wiener

    Legislator

    Profession.

  • Elizabeth Landsberg

    Person

    Health profession shortage areas, which are those MSAs, the medical shortage areas. And so we absolutely have that as a scoring criteria for all of our programs. Folks who get a loan repayment or scholarship have to agree to a service agreement to serve in a medically underserved area. Anytime we do something like the Song Brown residency or nursing training programs, we do look at geographic reach.

  • Elizabeth Landsberg

    Person

    We have full supply and demand models built out for the nursing workforce and behavioral health, licensed workforces, as well as some work on the non licensed side. We're working on primary care supply and demand models. We built ourselves the oral health and maternal health. So geographic region and profession is really important to us to use our state dollars and as targeted a fashion as possible.

  • Caroline Menjivar

    Legislator

    So yeah. So the research shows that we are being targeted and we have people in rural areas that have been, awarded the support?

  • Elizabeth Landsberg

    Person

    Yes. There is still plenty of work to do. You know, I certainly don't wanna suggest that we have met the needs of rural or other medically underserved areas but it is a important criteria that we always look at with our programs. You'll hear more about the rural health transformation program and how we're focusing there as well.

  • Caroline Menjivar

    Legislator

    Is that something we proactively do? You know, we award these years. For next year, we get to look at where we didn't get to award any and put them into the back of our mind as we award next year's.

  • Elizabeth Landsberg

    Person

    Libby, if you wanna come up. Libby Abbott, our deputy director for our health programs, I wanna give her the opportunity to add. So it is an application criteria. It is something we score on. When Libby and I are reviewing the proposed awards from her team.

  • Elizabeth Landsberg

    Person

    We always get a map and look at the counties, but what do you wanna add?

  • Libby Abbott

    Person

    Good morning. Elizabeth or Director Landsberg. Red is good. Still lag.

  • Libby Abbott

    Person

    You covered that really well. So, yes. All the things that, director Landsberg said, we have a number of different tools for assessing geographic shortage and trying to prioritize the allocation of our awards. Really, the only thing I would add is, we do our best to prioritize the allocation of funding to where there is the greatest need. But sometimes we don't get applications from the areas of greatest need.

  • Ginni Navarre

    Person

    So, yeah, there is work ahead of us. I think to continue to do promotion and outreach. We've also recently started a practice of every time we run a cycle looking at specifically the demographics, and the geography of who was awarded, be that organizational or individual. And then trying to think about what that means for the way we run our next cycle. Do we need to do targeted outreach?

  • Ginni Navarre

    Person

    Do we need to change our scoring criteria? So we it's an active process but very much top of mind.

  • Caroline Menjivar

    Legislator

    Okay. Great. Thank you. I don't know if you, the deputy director, or would be the right person to ask on the CYBHI initiative, the investments over five years. There's one part that says building a behavioral health workforce pipeline.

  • Caroline Menjivar

    Legislator

    I'm wondering if that's the programs we just talked about or is there a separate thing?

  • Elizabeth Landsberg

    Person

    Yeah. I didn't go into detail about kind of our four strategies, but pipeline and pathway is one of them. And under the CYBHI, we had eight different work streams and one was about pipeline and pathway. So critically important if we're gonna reach our equity goals, that we have those pipeline and pathway programs. Libby, do you wanna talk more about that?

  • Ginni Navarre

    Person

    Yeah. We have, two or three kind of smaller programs for pipeline and pathway and it looks like a mix of different things. We offer funding to organizations that hit one of several categories of pipeline or pathway programs. So for example, we will fund, internships. We will fund career fairs.

  • Ginni Navarre

    Person

    We will fund summer, exposure for high school or early college folks. So there's a couple of different categories by program. That said, we're actually in the process. We've contracted out an analysis of what is the best ROI in pipeline and pathway. What does the national evidence say?

  • Ginni Navarre

    Person

    What can we learn from what we've funded? What are other states doing? That analysis is actually meant to inform what we do with our BHSA funding. We've identified the need to strengthen pipeline and early pathway programming as one of our priorities for BHSA. Yeah.

  • Ginni Navarre

    Person

    So we're gonna take the outputs of that analysis, use it to set some design parameters, and try to fund what we think are the most high impact pipeline and pathway programs.

  • Caroline Menjivar

    Legislator

    My humble input here is having navigated this program to be a behavioral health worker. It's one of the biggest complaints we get is that we have to do two years worth of unpaid work. So as much as we can if there's funding, the barrier into these jobs is that no one can go two years worth of not working. So oftentimes you'll work while going to school.

  • Caroline Menjivar

    Legislator

    But however, if you work while going to school and that program also requires you to have another job, that's even more difficult.

  • Caroline Menjivar

    Legislator

    So when I hear internships, I hope we're looking at master's levels. You know, the social workers, licensed marriage family therapists, entities that have to do these hours. Yeah. And if we can find a way to pay some of those programs while they're getting those hours, I think that would be a removal barrier into these jobs.

  • Ginni Navarre

    Person

    I appreciate the input and I'll just quickly make the distinction. So when I talk about pipeline and pathway, we're actually usually talking about high school or early college level intervention.

  • Ginni Navarre

    Person

    We do have work targeted to our masters folks and are proposing a bundled approach, which I was gonna describe later, but I'll just preview for you now where we're gonna fund education capacity expansion, but also fund the students who move through those master's programs, not just with scholarship, but with stipends for their internships and for their clinical time. And we wanna support clinical placement. So we're really trying to attack it from all angles for the reasons you just described.

  • Caroline Menjivar

    Legislator

    Perfect. Thank you. Are you the right person to talk about the twenty first century nursing initiative? I am. Okay.

  • Caroline Menjivar

    Legislator

    There's been a couple of delays in this space. And so I'm wondering maybe this is also a DOF question. What has been done since 2022? There's been 220,000,000 allocated for this program but it's been delayed. So has any investment been made in this program thus far?

  • Ginni Navarre

    Person

    Those funds were reverted. So I'll let Dov speak to that.

  • Committee Secretary

    Person

    I don't have any information on that specific program in front of me right now. But I can take that back and see.

  • Caroline Menjivar

    Legislator

    The '22 membership budget allocated $220,000,000 to this program.

  • Elizabeth Landsberg

    Person

    And those funds were reverted?

  • Caroline Menjivar

    Legislator

    So this program is not moving forward?

  • Elizabeth Landsberg

    Person

    We have have a small amount of nursing funding. We have Samsung Brown program funding that supports nursing education, and we do, do some loan repayment and scholarship. We get a limited amount of funding through licensure renewals, but it's pretty limited. Okay.

  • Caroline Menjivar

    Legislator

    Okay. So That's okay. Okay. And then, before I go into OCA.

  • Caroline Menjivar

    Legislator

    Great. Thank you for the background on CalRx. I think deputy director I'm good with.

  • Elizabeth Landsberg

    Person

    You're welcome to stay.

  • Caroline Menjivar

    Legislator

    Okay. Thank you for the background on CalRx and everything. We're investing the school RB role one, really great initiative. I'm wondering if anything else is coming down the pipeline of other types of medical treatments we're gonna be investing in and making.

  • Elizabeth Landsberg

    Person

    Our CalRx team has done some analysis of other, drugs that we think could be high impact for the state, but we don't currently have additional funding for this.

  • Caroline Menjivar

    Legislator

    Are you allowed to share just what we're thinking about even though we don't have funding for it?

  • Elizabeth Landsberg

    Person

    EpiPen is one that's come to mind. We're certainly looking at GLP ones.

  • Caroline Menjivar

    Legislator

    Oh, wow. Okay.

  • Elizabeth Landsberg

    Person

    Just as a high need area. Okay. I don't remember all of them. We're we're happy to follow-up if you're interested.

  • Caroline Menjivar

    Legislator

    Okay. So, let's jump a little bit into OCA then. I appreciate the response. And then HR 1, given that the board mentioned that they're not gonna be adjusting, how then is that gonna be incorporated in the enforcement piece of hospitals? We're not gonna change the target, but are we gonna change our approach?

  • Caroline Menjivar

    Legislator

    I do know that it's a like a progressive enforcement approach. Yeah.

  • Caroline Menjivar

    Legislator

    Progressive enforcement. So what is that? Is it just one time you get a warning or in real life, what would that look like? And then I think there exists a waiver. If I'm not mistaken.

  • Elizabeth Landsberg

    Person

    the statute does talk about, Waiver process. Allows a permissible waiver process.

  • Caroline Menjivar

    Legislator

    Has that established what that waiver process will look like?

  • Elizabeth Landsberg

    Person

    No. It hasn't. So, the OCA statute does define, as you note, a progressive enforcement approach. So for any entity that exceeds the target, our first step is to notify them of that, send them a letter. They have forty five days to respond, and correct any data that they think there was a mistake made on.

  • Elizabeth Landsberg

    Person

    We then have a stage of technical assistance. There is also a permissive stage of having entities come testify at a public hearing. And then entities, we would work with to develop a performance improvement plan or a PIP. And the last and final stage of the progressive enforcement is around, financial penalties. And financial penalties can only come into effect after all the other steps have been met and she doesn't stick to their performance improvement plan.

  • Elizabeth Landsberg

    Person

    So we have the ability to look at them on the back end in terms of enforcement considerations. The waiver is permissible in the statute. And at this time, we have decided not to put the waiver in place, but rather to have the data analysis with each entity.

  • Caroline Menjivar

    Legislator

    So it's permissible, but it's not required?

  • Elizabeth Landsberg

    Person

    Correct.

  • Caroline Menjivar

    Legislator

    Okay. And it's the mindset of the department to not have a waiver process?

  • Elizabeth Landsberg

    Person

    Because we believe it would be duplicative of the ability to look at the data, as part of the enforcement consideration technical assistance portion of the progressive enforcement.

  • Caroline Menjivar

    Legislator

    Okay. And the the phrase for the past year is affordability. The word has been thrown around. It could mean a lot of different things. When we look at the work of OCA and the intent of the board, is it that it's not so much on decreasing cost and making it more affordable, but it's more on we don't want it to grow exponentially.

  • Elizabeth Landsberg

    Person

    Well, I think that's a really important distinction. You know, we would love to be able to bring health care costs down tomorrow from where they are today. But in many ways, OCA is a modest goal to simply slow the rate of growth. Right?

  • Elizabeth Landsberg

    Person

    So we're not saying entities won't be able to grow their spending. They have this 3%, 3.5% window. But what's been happening over decades is that wages are barely keeping pace with inflation at 3% and health care costs have been growing at 5%. So we're so it can seem very, modest goal to slow the rate of growth and spending.

  • Elizabeth Landsberg

    Person

    But absolutely, the whole point of this is to make health care more affordable for consumers, but it's not gonna solve a problem tomorrow.

  • Caroline Menjivar

    Legislator

    And director, you know, often times the limelight has been on the hospitals. Premiums have been jumping two to three times in the past year that we're gonna be looking at enforcement. Is there a different approach in looking at premium rates increase versus the hospital cost rate, hospital cost increase? Well, what I think is really important to note that OCA isn't all in approach. Right?

  • Elizabeth Landsberg

    Person

    And it's important to be impacting every part of the market. So absolutely the same spending targets apply to health plans, to the medical groups, and to the hospitals, except those hospitals who have the high cost hospitals.

  • Elizabeth Landsberg

    Person

    And so we absolutely wanna impact premiums over time, and we have a obligation under the statute to work with the Department of Managed Healthcare, to look at reasonableness of rates, and we should see a slow in that those premium increases that we've seen of late.

  • Caroline Menjivar

    Legislator

    Okay.

  • Caroline Menjivar

    Legislator

    Because now we're gonna be enforcing. Yeah.

  • Elizabeth Landsberg

    Person

    Yes. And I will just note also on the health plans, we're measuring their total spending and then separately we're also looking at their administrative costs and profits. Okay.

  • Caroline Menjivar

    Legislator

    When we're evaluating targets and, targets have gone past 3% or 3.5%, what are the cost reducing strategies that could would then be talked about with these entities to come back in compliance?

  • Elizabeth Landsberg

    Person

    Yeah. Absolutely. So the California Healthcare Foundation's been doing a lot of work on this recently and they put out a series of pieces they call the 25% problem. So their analysis and a lot of research shows that actually 25% of health care spending today is wasteful or harmful or unnecessary for the cost of care.

  • Elizabeth Landsberg

    Person

    So we at OCA and the board, the staff, we're not telling each individual health plan executive, hospital executive how to meet costs, but the research is clear there are many ways for folks to do it.

  • Elizabeth Landsberg

    Person

    Today, consumers are getting some duplicative care. Data exchange framework, we hope, will will help address that. Right. Some of that duplicative care is actually harmful to patients if they're getting radiated multiple times. So we think there are multiple efficiencies.

  • Elizabeth Landsberg

    Person

    There is administrative waste, and a lot of ways for health care entities to bring cost down. We have had a series of presentations about cost reducing strategies at our Board Meetings. Things like doulas, things like moving, surgeries to ambulatory care settings where they're lower cost. So we're at the same time not telling individual actors what they need to do and also trying to highlight some best practices that have been shown to improve health outcomes and reduce total costs.

  • Caroline Menjivar

    Legislator

    And director, I really appreciate our relationship. We have a very open door policy and we continue to communicate. So this next question is a bit duplicative. I already asked in our private conversations. But how do we take into consideration hospitals investments in advanced technology, new medical treatment that they wanna invest in and bargaining should after bargaining with the unit, the increases supersede the 3.5%.

  • Elizabeth Landsberg

    Person

    So again, we will have the ability to look each entry that exceeds the target. We will have a back and forth with them to look at the data. If there was some huge investment in technology and that is something we should look at in enforcement consideration, what we will have the ability to do that.

  • Elizabeth Landsberg

    Person

    As it relates to, union, negotiated contracts, there's a separate process whereby, an employer can come to the table and say, there's a 3.5% target that was set. We just entered into a new contract with our unionized nurses that's at a higher amount.

  • Elizabeth Landsberg

    Person

    The board has the ability to adjust targets upward if that's the case. We just started having the conversation with the board about that process. And putting that into place.

  • Caroline Menjivar

    Legislator

    Okay. Looking forward for as we're moving to the enforcement year to get to see what that looks like and these are all living platforms, see how we can adjust moving forward. The last question in your department overview is the diaper initiative. I actually am very interested in that. I had concerns last year, I think around this being open to everybody, about just doing a hospital space that everyone gives birth there.

  • Caroline Menjivar

    Legislator

    So I'm wondering where we are in the program, and any changes we're anticipating in its implementation.

  • Elizabeth Landsberg

    Person

    Sure. So the diaper initiative that was adopted does take that universal approach. We are targeting hospitals in the higher needs area. So the first year, we anticipate being able to reach 25% of births and so we're looking at the healthy places index and areas with more vulnerable patients. And we are in the final stages of contract negotiation.

  • Elizabeth Landsberg

    Person

    No announcement yet on that.

  • Caroline Menjivar

    Legislator

    And it's the diapers will be given to them at the hospital?

  • Elizabeth Landsberg

    Person

    Yes.

  • Caroline Menjivar

    Legislator

    Okay. They'll walk out with them. And they have the ability to say no.

  • Ginni Navarre

    Person

    We Absolutely.

  • Caroline Menjivar

    Legislator

    See any leftover diapers at the end of each year?

  • Elizabeth Landsberg

    Person

    We will give out as many diapers as are available and we've had some preliminary, conversations with the hospitals. But certainly a family can decline the offer.

  • Caroline Menjivar

    Legislator

    And the partner or the contract that we the vendor we contract with, they'll have experience and background and being able to distribute these kind of diapers at a hospital setting?

  • Elizabeth Landsberg

    Person

    Yes. We did an RFA and received 14 responses and are in final conversations with one of the potential vendors.

  • Caroline Menjivar

    Legislator

    Okay. Thank you, director. Thank you. I'm gonna move into issue number two.

  • Scott Wiener

    Legislator

    Thank you. Good morning.

  • Elizabeth Landsberg

    Person

    Yeah. Red is good.

  • Scott Wiener

    Legislator

    Good morning. A quick quick item, technical adjustments, BCP. We're requesting to increase expenditure authority by 700,000 in FY 2627 and ongoing for four special funds. One of these is a federal source and then three of them are special funds driven by licensing fees. Basically, revenues have exceeded our projections.

  • Scott Wiener

    Legislator

    We're asking for a bit more authority so that we can distribute those funds through grant making.

  • Caroline Menjivar

    Legislator

    Okay. Rebecca, Jason? No? I'm wondering, is this result request only for this year or are we gonna do this request ongoing? Seems like there's a history of not providing enough expenditure.

  • Scott Wiener

    Legislator

    This request is for this year and ongoing. Okay. It's true. So, beyond. If revenues changes, we'll have we may have to come.

  • Caroline Menjivar

    Legislator

    Okay. Yeah. Great. We're gonna hold that item open. Move on to issue number three.

  • Elizabeth Landsberg

    Person

    HCAI requests $8,800,000 general fund and 2.36 Health plan improvement trust fund, ongoing in 16 positions to facilitate the transfer of the data exchange framework and the office of the patient advocate from the center for data insight and innovation to HCAI. So the transfer of OPA and DXF, to HCAI has already been made administratively, and now formal budget action, is needed. We think DXF and OPA programs are a good fit with HCAI where they're embedded with similar functions, specifically with our data programs.

  • Elizabeth Landsberg

    Person

    So we've, welcomed them, really excited about the work. As you know, Senator Menjivar, DXF was established in 2021, for that real time exchange of health and social services information. The data exchange framework includes a common data sharing agreement and policies and procedures that set the rules of the road. So we're we've been providing technical assistance. You're familiar with all the components of 660.

  • Elizabeth Landsberg

    Person

    And so we are actually having our first, data exchange framework advisory committee one week from today, required, by your bill and moving forward on all the components for the legislative report. And, happy to go into more detail about PGA.

  • Caroline Menjivar

    Legislator

    All providers were supposed to execute contracts earlier this year, January 31. Did everyone meet that?

  • Elizabeth Landsberg

    Person

    So we have more than 5,000 health care, entities including health plans, providers, hospitals, and skilled nursing facilities that have signed the data sharing agreement. Under your bill, we are required by January 1 to post the list of all of those entities, both those who are complying and who are not complying, and to continue to look at possible governance.

  • Caroline Menjivar

    Legislator

    So wait till next year to get the list of those who haven't?

  • Elizabeth Landsberg

    Person

    It is not as simple, as it sounds to produce the list of those who haven't complied because we have to for example, there is no list in in the state of California about who all the physician organizations and medical groups are. Actually, our data team and our OCA teams have been trying to build a medical a physician organization index so that we have that.

  • Elizabeth Landsberg

    Person

    But we have to do the comparison of all the entities, get that licensed information, For example, on skilled nursing facilities and the like. Is there anything you wanna add?

  • Committee Secretary

    Person

    The only thing I'd add also is that Senate bill 660 also allows for those entities to share extenuating circumstances for reasons why

  • Caroline Menjivar

    Legislator

    Technology doesn't exist for them.

  • Committee Secretary

    Person

    So that's a process that's on.

  • Caroline Menjivar

    Legislator

    Okay. Alright. We're gonna hold the item open. Move on to issue number four.

  • Committee Secretary

    Person

    Alright. Issue number four. The long term care payment staffing. Each guy requests $597,000 from the California Health Data and Planning Fund and authority for three positions, fiscal year '26, '27, and ongoing to implement portions of the new federal rules related to the centers for Medicare and Medicaid services, new minimum staffing standards for long term care facilities and Medicaid institutional payment transparency.

  • Committee Secretary

    Person

    Reporting final rule. This final rule requires state Medicaid agencies to calculate, report, and publish the percentage of Medicaid payments for services and skilled nursing facilities that are spent on compensation for various staffing categories. So that includes direct care workers and support staff across both fee for service and managed care delivery systems, and do so no later than 06/21/2028 or risk losing federal funding. The HCAI facility financial reports serve as the MediCal cost report.

  • Committee Secretary

    Person

    Therefore, changes to Medicaid rules affect the data collection programs that HCAI administers and result in new workload one time and ongoing to meet the requirements of the federal rule and revise the data reporting for over a thousand skilled nursing facilities and this request would support the additional workload for that.

  • Caroline Menjivar

    Legislator

    Jason, if I gotta turn to you on issue number three, was there anything you wanted to add to the

  • Jason Constantouros

    Person

    previous issue? No. No issues here or on this issue. Okay.

  • Caroline Menjivar

    Legislator

    Great. Thank you. We're gonna hold the item open. Move on to issue number five.

  • Committee Secretary

    Person

    Issue number five, assembly bill 1418, HCAI requests a $178,000 to fund one position in 2026, '27 annually thereafter from the California Health Data and Planning Fund to implement new reporting requirements related to healthcare workers health coverage waiting periods. Pursuant to AB 1418 that was signed in November. Commencing 01/01/2027, the bill requires HCAI to annually collect and publish, detailed data on employer sponsored healthcare coverage waiting periods from health facilities, including clinics and hospitals and long term care facilities.

  • Committee Secretary

    Person

    Whether those waiting periods exist for the facilities employees and if so the length of the waiting period and the employee classification. The bill does allow HCAI to integrate this reporting into existing HCAI reporting programs but HCAI does not have the the dedicated staffing resources to make these changes to our porting systems for data collection, data validation, and program administration to collect data from over 10,000 healthcare facilities.

  • Caroline Menjivar

    Legislator

    Okay. Okay. Hold the item open. Move on to issue number six.

  • Ginni Navarre

    Person

    Thank you very much. I'll provide an overview of our planning activities for the Behavioral Health Services Act Behavioral Health Workforce Initiative. 3% of BHSA revenues are directed to the Behavioral Health Workforce Initiative. And SB 326 has directed HCAI to work closely with stakeholders and community to develop a five year workforce education and training plan or WET plan, which is the vehicle for articulating our BHSA funding priorities.

  • Ginni Navarre

    Person

    So we began consultation in the summer of last year, summer twenty five, for the development of this plan.

  • Ginni Navarre

    Person

    We conducted 21 statewide convenings with almost 300 stakeholders. We used that feedback to develop our strategic framework, and in the last few months have met with an additional 60 plus partners from state departments, the education sector, and community partners to brainstorm strategies that will serve the objectives in the framework. And I'm happy to share that we have really strong support for this work thus far, and strong support for our proposed strategies to transform the way that behavioral health workforce is trained and supported.

  • Ginni Navarre

    Person

    So I'll share some of the key themes and the directions that we're proposing to take. Number one, key theme that we hear again and again, the current behavioral health workforce does not have the skills needed to serve the clients of today.

  • Ginni Navarre

    Person

    Particularly those with significant behavioral health conditions who are in the county or county contracted behavioral health system. So we're proposing work to define the core competencies needed to serve those clientele in the county contracted and county system. And then to use those competencies to conduct assessments, develop new materials, and essentially modernize, on the job training for the existing workforce in the county behavioral health system.

  • Ginni Navarre

    Person

    Number two, we also know that there are not enough health workers of the right type to meet demand in the county behavioral health system. We need investments to expand educational capacity for behavioral health training, but also to require programs that receive our funding to align training to the needs of the county behavioral health system and to serving individuals with significant behavioral health conditions.

  • Ginni Navarre

    Person

    And then as I described earlier, we intend to sort of bundle that institutional support for education capacity expansion with individual support for the folks moving towards those careers and through those training programs. So that would be scholarship support, support for stipends and time in their clinical training, and then support for clinical placement. Our modeling shows significant gaps in licensed as well as non licensed behavioral health professionals, such as, peer support specialists SUD counselors.

  • Ginni Navarre

    Person

    And we hear that those non licensed professionals also need additional supports and coaching. There's higher degrees of variability and readiness when they enter the workforce.

  • Ginni Navarre

    Person

    So we are just like with our licensed folks proposing expansion of training, but we are proposing to couple that with, coaching and and transition to practice support for non licensed professionals. Statute directs us to provide technical assistance to county contracted providers on BH workforce. And after consultation with our stakeholders, we're proposing to expand that concept to county and county contracted so that they may optimize the use of the behavioral health workforce to serve folks with significant behavioral health conditions.

  • Ginni Navarre

    Person

    So we've, heard good feedback on what the domains of that technical assistance would look like, but again, strong support for that concept. The idea here is that we want, the county behavioral health system to be able to maximize, optimize the workforce, attract, recruit, retain, and support the folks to serve individuals with significant behavioral health conditions.

  • Ginni Navarre

    Person

    And then the final objective is one we spoke about earlier today, pipeline and pathway. We know that if we need to grow the workforce, we have to start at the beginning. We have to show folks that they can see themselves in these careers. It's part of our effort to address equity and to diversify the workforce.

  • Ginni Navarre

    Person

    And so as I described, we are kind of going through an exercise to develop the design parameters for what the most impact full and effective pipeline and pathway programs could be.

  • Ginni Navarre

    Person

    And also under this objective, we propose to work with our education institutions to address some of the holes in career lattices so that folks who may enter in a non license can see their future, can stay in the behavioral health workforce, can continue serving, the folks who need it in California.

  • Caroline Menjivar

    Legislator

    Rebecca, are you gonna be talking about the offset? Okay. I'll turn to you now.

  • Ginni Navarre

    Person

    Yeah. So, regarding the question of the 100,000,000 general fund offset. So the goal of this proposal is to preserve and protect existing behavioral health workforce programs currently funded by the general fund, especially given the significant out year deficit the state is facing. We do still consider this proposal in alignment with the aim of proposition one. With regards to the behavioral health workforce initiative, this proposal does not impact funding for the non federal share of BH Connect, And that work will still continue.

  • Ginni Navarre

    Person

    We're still evaluating what programs may be eligible to be funded under the Behavioral Health Services Act. And the specific proposal will be updated at the May revision to describe which programs would be funded under that. Okay.

  • Jason Constantouros

    Person

    Yeah. So just again speaking on the offset specifically, we think it raises kind of three key issues to consider. The first is that it's not quite clear to us that these savings are actually incorporated into the governor's budget. And that's because we worked with the department to track all of the general fund changes and we're able to tie everything out without assuming a $100,000,000 in savings.

  • Jason Constantouros

    Person

    So it's a little unclear to us whether this is, sort of a signal into what what we're looking at in May or if it's actually incorporated in the governor's budget.

  • Jason Constantouros

    Person

    The second issue really gets at question number three in your agenda that the staff raised, which is what are the eligible programs that would be supported by the funds. And, I have to say here we're not quite clear ourselves. The H Credit General Fund spending in '26, '27 is about a $175,000,000. So this $100,000,000 would be more than half of that amount. About 80 or so of that is for the BH Connect workforce initiative.

  • Jason Constantouros

    Person

    But the administration has indicated that a lot of that funding already has sort of an offset in the medical budget.

  • Jason Constantouros

    Person

    The rest of that is really for things like the Song Brown program and the Office of Healthcare Affordability. These are things that don't have an obvious behavioral health connection. And because of that, it's not clear to us that the legislature would want to really get a better sense of what these programs are before it incorporates any sort of assumed savings from a fund transfer. And then the third and final point is that it's reasonable to be thinking about budget solutions.

  • Jason Constantouros

    Person

    But really, the core, issue facing the legislature is the ongoing structural deficit in the out years.

  • Jason Constantouros

    Person

    This appears to be a one time solution. So the focus, we really recommend focusing more on this sort of ongoing structural changes rather than sort of one time solutions.

  • Caroline Menjivar

    Legislator

    Jason, can you clarify? You said 170. I can't find that. 170 of?

  • Jason Constantouros

    Person

    Yeah. If you turn to page three of your agenda, that general fund amount in 26-27 is about a 175 million.

  • Caroline Menjivar

    Legislator

    Okay. But for, for the purposes of the of the 3% that goes to the behavioral workforce?

  • Jason Constantouros

    Person

    It's a, that's a different amount. I'm saying that they're proposing to offset $100 million in general fund spending. That's more than half of their general fund amount in that. So that's a, that's a sizable amount, and we're not clear what, if there's really that much behavioral health workforce in that sort of appropriation to offset.

  • Caroline Menjivar

    Legislator

    Thank you. Very similar questions to what LAO has brought up. One of, a couple of things. The subcommittee is not the first time that we've heard proposals of supplanting funding of general funds when we voters have voted for something. I think it's very disingenuous for Californians if we vote for something that's to add value to our investments.

  • Caroline Menjivar

    Legislator

    And I've always been a huge fan of the behavioral workforce investments that we've made. And when this came about, I felt excited to add to this. I do recognize that we need a balance the budget. But it just seems that we're always balancing the budget with outward facing services. And then I continue to see BCPs on growing our internal government exponentially.

  • Caroline Menjivar

    Legislator

    I don't, I am wondering if when looking to balance a budget, then we inwards we should look at ourselves first versus cutting outward services that we voted for with Prop 1. I don't, I don't know exactly the connection in terms of what programs will be funded exactly. So I would like more information. It is also frustrating that it's April. We don't have that information and we have to wait till May.

  • Caroline Menjivar

    Legislator

    I've shared and just systematically how that crunch time is really not conducive for a proper conversation to have back and forth. I wish I could have had more details on this earlier rather than later. I think May just is not, it's not good for for for for this process.

  • Caroline Menjivar

    Legislator

    So that's my thoughts on on the the offset part. If 100 million is being requested to offset, it leaves about $10.1 million available for this purpose. This is supposed to be implemented in July 2026. What are we going to be doing with the $10.1 million?

  • Elizabeth Landsberg

    Person

    Thank you, Madam Chair. So as you note, so as Victoria from Department of Finance noted, most of...

  • Caroline Menjivar

    Legislator

    Is your name Victoria? I've been calling you Rebecca. Correct me. Oh my God. She's staring at me. Sorry, Victoria.

  • Elizabeth Landsberg

    Person

    As Victoria noted, so yes. With the portion of the BHSA funds going to BH-CONNECT, which is very important to draw down that 1.9 billion, it would leave leave us with a pretty minimal amount. So, you know, as Deputy Director Abbott noted, we've been doing a lot of stakeholder engagement and we'll use as many dollars as we have as meaningfully as possible.

  • Caroline Menjivar

    Legislator

    But what's the actual plan? What would...

  • Elizabeth Landsberg

    Person

    Well, we've been forced to go through a web planning process to hear from from constituents about what what their needs are at the same time this budget proposal. So we've kind of been on on parallel tracks.

  • Caroline Menjivar

    Legislator

    And the plan from the five year web, the web, five year web plan is supposed to come out in spring 2026?

  • Elizabeth Landsberg

    Person

    Correct. We have we have a draft plan that we've been socializing. We we've we've been presenting and we're presenting next month to the commission as required.

  • Libby Abbott

    Person

    The plan should be approved in June by the California Behavioral Health Planning Council. We have been socializing a plan against an estimate of a 100 million.

  • Libby Abbott

    Person

    If indeed the budget solution moves forward and we remain with only 10 million, we will reconsult with our stakeholders on prioritization. There are, as I just described to you, five major objectives that we are trying to accomplish. And so I think it will warrant additional conversation on what to do with 10 million.

  • Libby Abbott

    Person

    If I had to hazard a guess now, we get a lot of push on the idea that there are immediate training needs for the workforce to, as I described, to modernize them to catch them up to the needs of today's clientele. With 10 million, I think that might be a direction we would pursue.

  • Caroline Menjivar

    Legislator

    Got it. And then going back to the actual program details. Some things I heard that are completely different to what exists now. The stipends for paid internships and then the, or something else that you... Oh, the placements part, those are new.

  • Caroline Menjivar

    Legislator

    But you also mentioned scholarships. Those already exist in the current programs right now. What is gonna be the difference in these type of scholarships versus the workforce investments we have now?

  • Libby Abbott

    Person

    So we actually don't have significant funding for scholarships now. We leverage CYBHI funding to to support some of our behavioral health scholarships, loan repayments, some of those kind of traditional programs that Director Landsberg described are part of our toolbox.

  • Libby Abbott

    Person

    As that funding winds down, we have the BH-CONNECT program, which you're aware of, up to 1.9 billion. That does contain a significant scholarship component. It also contains, for example, a significant recruitment and retention program.

  • Libby Abbott

    Person

    Our approach with BHSA is to get everything we can out of the BH-CONNECT funding over the next several years while that is available. Use the BHSA funding, which is flexible, to fill gaps on the things that we cannot fund with BH-CONNECT.

  • Caroline Menjivar

    Legislator

    Sorry, Deputy Director. I'm gonna just... Just because I'm looking at it. There's a lot. There's the Allied Healthcare Scholarship Program, that Advanced Practice Healthcare Scholarship Program, Associate Degree Nursing Scholarship Program, the Bachelor of Science Nursing Scholarship Program. So there's a lot of scholarship programs that currently exist.

  • Libby Abbott

    Person

    And they have minimal funding and two of those will be winding down that include behavioral health providers. So you just, you just mentioned for example, two nursing programs. We will not be using BHSA funds to fund nursing. Exactly.

  • Libby Abbott

    Person

    So it's our behavioral health scholarship programs that prior to BH-CONNECT were limited. As I described, we do have significant funding under BH-CONNECT.

  • Caroline Menjivar

    Legislator

    But I'm wondering nursing training for behavioral, really important. Are we gonna be tapping into...

  • Libby Abbott

    Person

    In BH-CONNECT, nurses who work at who serve in a Medi-Cal setting and serve behavioral health clients are eligible for scholarship and loan repayment.

  • Caroline Menjivar

    Legislator

    What about the Psychiatry Fellowship Scholarship Program? Are we gonna be adding more money into that or is that a fully funded program that can be, that does not need any more assistance?

  • Libby Abbott

    Person

    Psychiatry Fellowship Program? So through BH-CONNECT, we're funding both residency program expansion and fellowship program expansion. However, we're limited in the number of cycles that we can offer. So we have one open now for fellowship training. We'll have one open next year.

  • Libby Abbott

    Person

    Our proposal with BHSA is to continue to fund psychiatry education and psychiatric mental health nurse practitioner training. And so that that falls under one of the objectives that I described of expanding educational capacity in select areas.

  • Caroline Menjivar

    Legislator

    And then a lot of the focus sounds on the enhancement capacity for counties. In terms of the employees that work in the, on the county level, if I've understood correctly.

  • Libby Abbott

    Person

    County and county contract. Correct.

  • Caroline Menjivar

    Legislator

    Perfect. A lot of that sometimes what I hear anecdotally is we don't have enough employees to work in spaces. The cases are so much. While we can prepare and get people ready for these jobs, are those are those positions gonna be available? Will the counties have even the funding to hire them on? Is that a barrier to to closing the gap here? Is that being looked at?

  • Libby Abbott

    Person

    It's a great question, and I would answer in two parts. One, my understanding, so we work closely with county and the County Behavioral Health Directors Association to shape these proposals. What I would take away is that they are, if the people are available, they are ready to hire them. We may ultimately, down the line, reach a point where that tension comes into play.

  • Libby Abbott

    Person

    I think right now there are vacancies that are ready to be filled with the right folks. The second part of my answer is that is that TA package that I described. The goal of that package is to provide support to county and county contracted entities on how to get the most out of behavioral health workforce.

  • Libby Abbott

    Person

    So if they are resource constrained, for example, how can they maximize the use of non licensed professionals so that within a constrained budget they're still getting the most they can out of both clinical and non clinical providers. So that's how I would say we're trying to tackle some of the demand side constraints.

  • Caroline Menjivar

    Legislator

    Okay. Victoria, my request would be, if there's any details you can share with our office, with the with the Committee Members here that give us a little bit more time to review, at least myself, give more time to review instead of waiting to the May Revise, I would greatly appreciate more details on the offset and transferring programming.

  • Victoria Rappleye

    Person

    Yeah. I'll take that request back and see what can be provided.

  • Caroline Menjivar

    Legislator

    We're gonna hold the item open and we're gonna move on to issue number seven.

  • Scott Christman

    Person

    Great. Thank you, Madam Chair. Scott Christman, HCAI. I'll talk about the Rural Health Transformation Program, addressing the questions in order. So the California Rural Health Transformation Program is the state's implementation of a $50 billion national program authorized by HR 1, administered by the Center for Medicare and Medicaid Services, CMS.

  • Scott Christman

    Person

    These federal funds are distributed to all 50 states based on a semi competitive application process over a five year period intended to strengthen access, quality, and sustainability of health care delivery for rural communities.

  • Scott Christman

    Person

    So California was awarded 233.6 million for the first budget period, which is January through October of this year, 2026. It was the third largest award nationally. The California program is built around three integrative initiatives approved by CMS. Those are the transformative care model. I'll talk a little bit more about. Rural workforce development.

  • Scott Christman

    Person

    Obviously a foundational piece. And then technology and tools for organizations. So the transformative care model includes investments in regional hub and spoke care networks. Expands telehealth services, e-consults, and evidence based care models. Really focusing on primary care and maternity care.

  • Scott Christman

    Person

    Strengthens local capacity to reduce avoidable out of out of area travel for care. Essentially, we're trying to address the rural bypass issue. Rural workforce development supports workforce mapping, pipeline programs, clinical training capacity, and targeted retention and relocation incentives through grants tied to service commitments in rural communities.

  • Scott Christman

    Person

    And then the third initiative is health technology and digital tools. These investments are are in foundational infrastructure including electronic health records, data exchange, interoperability, telehealth expansion, cyber security, other infrastructure needs.

  • Scott Christman

    Person

    The program includes a rural health technical assistance center to support implementation directly to participating grantees across all of the three components of the program. So together these investments in the plan focus on strengthening regional systems of care, stabilizing access in rural communities over time, and reducing the need for rural residents to travel long distances for their healthcare.

  • Scott Christman

    Person

    The program is designed to complement not duplicate existing state and federal programs by targeting gaps specific to rural health delivery systems, workforce shortages, and infrastructure limitations that are not otherwise addressed through existing funding streams. I'll just quickly touch on some of the key milestones.

  • Scott Christman

    Person

    This opportunity was released by by CMS in September of last year. In November, we submitted California's application to CMS. At the end of December, CMS notified California of the award amount, 233 million for the first year. At the January, we we provided essentially a revised budget based on that amount to CMS.

  • Scott Christman

    Person

    End of February, CMS issued a revised notice award, which unrestricted the first 183.6 million, and CMS then asked for revisions to the remaining 50 million of the budget we proposed relating to transformative payments for rural hospitals.

  • Scott Christman

    Person

    So to the question, I'm gonna talk a little bit about that change that we were asked to make. So CMS requested additional details about the proposal we've made in a revision to the original approach on the 50 million, which were designated for essentially supporting rural hospitals.

  • Scott Christman

    Person

    What CMS asked is to ensure that these funds are tied specifically to transformative activities as part of rural health transformation rather than serving as general financial relief or backfill to solve for any cash flow issues in rural hospitals.

  • Scott Christman

    Person

    So in response to the request, we made the following changes. We reallocated $15 million to other approved program activities as listed. So part of the transformative care model, workforce development, and technology tools. The then we redesigned kind of the transformative payments, which we we term those for $35 million.

  • Scott Christman

    Person

    Again, this would target a limited number of of what we call strategically located rural hospitals. Let me speak to that a little bit. The $35 million number is key because CMS viewed these as provider payments, and there's a 15% cap to the award on provider payments. So that's $35 million. So they're classified as provider payments.

  • Scott Christman

    Person

    And what we do with that is essentially put more definition around what the payments would be for if not for essentially cash backfill. So what we did is establish clear eligibility and readiness performance criteria to ensure that these payments are milestone based, time limited, and directly tied to participation in feasible components of the transformative care model that we touched on earlier. I think... Yeah.

  • Scott Christman

    Person

    So CMS approved these revisions last week and released the the remaining funds on March 31. So essentially what we're looking at in terms of strategically located hospitals, it would be based on assessment where our capacity issues, for example, if there's labor and delivery deserts or something like that.

  • Scott Christman

    Person

    That would be an appropriate investment to purchase infrastructure and equipment to be able to stand up those services in a in a in a rural community that needs it. So again, that was kind of the adjustment that was made with the original $50 million proposal that we had had.

  • Scott Christman

    Person

    You know, it had more flexibility than was interested in CMS, so we made the change. So at this point all 233.6 million in federal funds are now unrestricted from CMS and available for distribution through the three program components as approved by CMS.

  • Scott Christman

    Person

    None of the programs were eliminated due to the CMS review process, but we made the adjustments to those transformative payments for rural hospitals as required. In terms of authority, we also appreciate the fact that we recently got approval from the Joint Legislative Budget Committee to for current year spending authority to begin using these funds to move forward with the Rural Health Transformation Program.

  • Scott Christman

    Person

    I would also note just going forward CMS maintains several oversight and approval responsibilities under the cooperative agreement that shape the implementation timeline. This includes final approval of all grantee selections, administrative review of grant agreements and contracts, prior review of materials that may be publicly posted.

  • Scott Christman

    Person

    As a federal requirement, we have to obligate these funds no later than October 30, 2026. So it's gonna be kind of a breakneck pace. We are actively coordinating program design now to build out those programs. We're doing internal review and CMS engagement to meet the requirements on accelerated timeline, ensuring all federal funds can be effectively committed by October to support healthcare delivery in California's rural communities.

  • Scott Christman

    Person

    I would note that our performance this year with these funds will inform the scoring for our award amount in year two and and so on over the next five years. So we're fully committed to moving these out in the most meaningful way and getting them to to providers and rural communities.

  • Scott Christman

    Person

    The second question in terms of timeline for application to various grant programs. So the grant opportunities under the the California Rural Health Transformation Program will be offered on a rolling and phased basis with multiple request for applications anticipated over the life of the program rather than a single one time opportunity. So again, we're working on design and grant guides right now.

  • Scott Christman

    Person

    We expect late spring, early summer this year. Our phase will will be released for what we're calling accelerated accelerator partnerships for the transformative care model, workforce development, critically, and technology and tools initiatives, again, across all three areas.

  • Scott Christman

    Person

    We would expect application reviews and award announcements, you know, in summer, early fall and subject to CMS approval. But we're looking to commit those funds by October as required by CMS. So again, grantees must be approved by CMS before receiving the funds.

  • Scott Christman

    Person

    CMS may approve or request modifications or deny based on their review. All funds must be obligated by October 30 consistent with the requirements. To be eligible, applicants must serve rural communities in California based on a HRSA definition.

  • Scott Christman

    Person

    It's pretty straightforward. This may include rural hospitals, critical access hospitals, clinics including FQHCs, rural health clinics, tribal clinics, tribal governments and tribal organizations, local government, non profit organizations, educational institutions, to be sure, and training partners.

  • Scott Christman

    Person

    And urban based providers to some extent that deliver services in rural communities. Obviously in a hub and spoke when we're doing telehealth delivery, there's gonna be service providers from outside the area. So funding again is intended for system transformation.

  • Scott Christman

    Person

    Activities such as care model redesign, workforce development, regional coordination, and technology modernizations. Again, funds may not be used for routine operating subsidies, direct patient care reimbursement, or to supplant any existing funding streams. All grant awards are subject to CMS review and approval.

  • Scott Christman

    Person

    So what we'll do is implement performance based grant agreements with regular reporting, federal compliance monitoring. Program success will be measured through improvements in rural access to care, workforce capacity, and provider stability over time. And again, these are measures that we included in part of our application. Happy to take questions.

  • Caroline Menjivar

    Legislator

    Really robust background. Appreciate it. Very interested in this. It was $50 billion total?

  • Scott Christman

    Person

    For the nation.

  • Caroline Menjivar

    Legislator

    How did California fare in our allocation?

  • Scott Christman

    Person

    We did well. And I used the term semi competitive. So of the 50 billion, the way they set it up was essentially every state was eligible to apply for a billion. So and then they split that with a floor of half over five years, half a million. And then the other half is competitive. So in the first year what we were able to apply, every state was eligible to apply for 200 million, which we did. And we received 233.6. So we did well.

  • Scott Christman

    Person

    The application scored well. We're glad to see that, obviously. You know, and the way that it's set up it, you know, it's not based on population. So so we have 2.8 million people in rural census tracks in California and so, you know, we're gonna be very...

  • Caroline Menjivar

    Legislator

    Some states have 2.8 million just living in the whole state.

  • Scott Christman

    Person

    That is correct. That is correct.

  • Caroline Menjivar

    Legislator

    And they might get the same amount of money?

  • Scott Christman

    Person

    Yeah. Yeah. So we're happy to get third and, you know, that kind of how it was broken down.

  • Caroline Menjivar

    Legislator

    We were given 233.6 for this year. Have we been told how many, how much money we're gonna be getting next year?

  • Scott Christman

    Person

    We don't. And I think it's interesting is that that that's, so what they've set up is what's called a non competitive continuation. So we have an award, but they will do some scoring based on how well we perform with these funds. So...

  • Caroline Menjivar

    Legislator

    Up to the max of 1 billion.

  • Scott Christman

    Person

    Yeah. It is critical. So so we got we got 33 over what we applied for. So it is possible that we could we could pull down additional funds in the next year if we do really well this year.

  • Caroline Menjivar

    Legislator

    Or if other states have leftovers because they cannot...

  • Scott Christman

    Person

    Depending on what other states do. Yes.

  • Caroline Menjivar

    Legislator

    We'll be able to get maybe potentially a little bit more.

  • Scott Christman

    Person

    I hope so.

  • Caroline Menjivar

    Legislator

    Okay. Going into the actual, October 1 is a really tight timeline.

  • Scott Christman

    Person

    It's October 30. Yeah. They shifted it one month off.

  • Caroline Menjivar

    Legislator

    Those extra 29 days are very important because I've seen a struggle with program funding allocation. You mentioned that we you just got approved from the joint committee. So that means you can, as soon as the RFAs are out, start.

  • Caroline Menjivar

    Legislator

    You don't have to wait till this budget is passed. That money can start going out. And you anticipate that late spring, early summer for the first dollars to go out.

  • Scott Christman

    Person

    Yeah. We're doing the design right now.

  • Caroline Menjivar

    Legislator

    However, you have to submit the grant awardees to CMS first before you you, any dollar goes out?

  • Scott Christman

    Person

    Correct.

  • Caroline Menjivar

    Legislator

    Are they responding quickly?

  • Scott Christman

    Person

    They they have been. So we we have weekly meetings with our program officer. I think they've been very productive meetings, and we have turned, you know, interesting the public facing materials or something that are reviewed. So when we do a webinar or something that was gone through that, that's gone very quickly. You know, I'm pleased to note.

  • Scott Christman

    Person

    And so, yeah. We're basically ramping up that that relationship to ensure when these grants start to flow that they're able to turn around. They've hired an entire new staff for this Rural Health Transformation Office. So we have a program officer and a kind of a backup program officer that deals with a couple of states.

  • Scott Christman

    Person

    I've got five or six states or something like that. So we obviously are watching that and are sensitive to the timing because we wanna perform at a high level and pull down more dollars in the next year. So.

  • Caroline Menjivar

    Legislator

    And it's not like we can use these dollars just to give to financially distressed hospitals in rural areas.

  • Scott Christman

    Person

    They were very specific about that. And again, in a in a professional way but we've had serious conversations about how to use it. And again, the the original proposal we tried to create some flexibility in the transformative payments for hospitals to, you know, to cover sort of the idea of stability so that they could participate in the program.

  • Scott Christman

    Person

    And we just had to revise it to be even more narrow and more specific to transformational efforts in terms of, yeah, they're gonna change the care model and, you know, we're gonna change the way they do, you know, maternity care. There's gonna be, you know, remote access for specialty care or things like that. So yeah, it was it was quite a kind of a process.

  • Caroline Menjivar

    Legislator

    Did HR 1 or CMS implement an extension process? Should we need more time to disperse? Okay.

  • Scott Christman

    Person

    They do not.

  • Caroline Menjivar

    Legislator

    That's a no. And then on the provider payments, you lost me a little bit. Is that provider payments to help them stay in those rural areas? To help draw providers to the area?

  • Scott Christman

    Person

    It's a good question. So what the term provider payment is something that CMS reference. So we sort of came up with this idea. Again, it was a it was a concept, the proposal around transformative payments to help a hospital that needed a bit to get to get steady so they could participate in these other Rural Health Transformation Grant programs.

  • Scott Christman

    Person

    And the interpretation was that's a provider payment, and provider payments are capped at 15%. So they allow for provider payments, but they can only be used in the course of executing sort of activities or investments that are specifically related to the scope of the Rural Health Transformation Program.

  • Caroline Menjivar

    Legislator

    And that's so the $35 million is gonna be used? Yes. We can give it to providers.

  • Scott Christman

    Person

    Yes. We can give it to hospitals.

  • Caroline Menjivar

    Legislator

    But it has to be tied to an activity?

  • Scott Christman

    Person

    Correct. Correct. And again, the idea would be let's say, you know, if if you wanted to, a rural hospital wanted to do something to move the needle on maternity care, which is one of our focuses, our targets. And there needed to be a purchase. They needed to build out space. They needed to buy equipment to do that service for maternity care. That would be an appropriate provider payment. So it can be used...

  • Caroline Menjivar

    Legislator

    Oh, so it's not directly just like we do MCO tax provider payments?

  • Scott Christman

    Person

    Correct. It's not that. Exactly. It's just us providing essentially through the grant a payments to the provider. That's why they cap it at 15%. So we can't we can't give 100% of dollars to providers in that way. But what it gives it does allow for again the idea you could, you could buy some infrastructure, you could buy some equipment, but it's in the course of of of meeting the the goals of the program.

  • Caroline Menjivar

    Legislator

    And one of the questions I had, but you covered it, because I was I was struggling to find labor and delivery. I thought I missed it. I was like, why aren't we talking about labor and delivery? So there is ability to use some of these funds to create labor and delivery locations, but also bring in providers. Because sometimes they have the space, they just don't have the providers for it.

  • Scott Christman

    Person

    Correct. I think they'll they'll be dollars for workforce in in that space. And again, it could be some of the provider payment to get infrastructure equipment. There might be technology.

  • Caroline Menjivar

    Legislator

    Where in the grant, where does that fall under that could do the labor and delivery infrastructure?

  • Scott Christman

    Person

    Well, I think the way that we set up the the program is we highlighted primary care and maternity care as specific, you know, outcome goals. Right? That we're gonna, we're gonna measure towards. What the way we designed the three is actually, I think in all three areas you could you could you could apply, for example. Yeah.

  • Scott Christman

    Person

    And again, we're still doing some of the detailed design. But it could be infrastructure, it could be workforce, it could be, it could be technology that needs to be part of that. You know, there's examples out there. I think we're looking for, you know, innovative approaches.

  • Scott Christman

    Person

    We've learned of some where, you know, there's an alternative birthing center and you have on call staff and they in a rural area. So things like that. So I think there's a set of opportunities. It wouldn't be just one. But overall, we did highlight maternity care as where we wanna move the needle through this investment.

  • Caroline Menjivar

    Legislator

    This next issue came up just this year. It's never been brought up. And dialysis centers not being available in rural areas. I don't know if in the short time we were able to connect with the stakeholders if that came up. It was the first time it's been brought up to me this year. Tribes talked to me about it.

  • Scott Christman

    Person

    It's interesting. Well, two things. It, I don't recall it coming up specifically. We did a couple of, we did a couple of rapid fire surveys and we did some webinars and some listening sessions before we went into this. You know, it wouldn't be surprising, you know, workforce was high on the list and some others. Dialysis didn't necessarily come up. We can go back and look.

  • Scott Christman

    Person

    We, you know, we are pleased about sort of the we've done our first tribal consultation to prepare for this program. There's a we have a 5% sort of set aside in these areas that a minimum that tribal organizations would be eligible for. But we can go back. Let me go back and we'll take a look at the survey information that we got from stakeholders and see if dialysis comes comes comes to the top.

  • Caroline Menjivar

    Legislator

    On career pathways grants, 7 million will go to rural region high schools. Counseling, mentorships, is this behavioral health for them? I didn't know what it...

  • Libby Abbott

    Person

    Yeah. So we are looking at funding, again, pipeline and early pathway programs with Rural Health Transformation funding. There's a concept around partnering with local high schools. What's I think exciting about the Rural Health Transformation approach is it's gonna be very sort of like locally rooted and grounded.

  • Libby Abbott

    Person

    Another, we're also exploring sort of working with local workforce development boards on sort of like pulling, growing their own approaches. Right? How do you pull from your local population to get folks on the career ladder?

  • Caroline Menjivar

    Legislator

    Or help their junior college have those four year nursing degrees. I think that's also a big priority in these areas. One of the things that stood out, and this is not just for this, in a lot of things. Sometimes often we pay too much money for consulting contractors.

  • Caroline Menjivar

    Legislator

    $23.6 million for a contractor. I feel like you're the contractor here. You know, you're, you know, we are putting this together. What additional value would the, would creating a rural technical assistance center contractor bring that the department is not bringing?

  • Scott Christman

    Person

    Sure. And that's, I mean, that's very specific in terms of the rural technical assistance center because I think some of those skills are skills that we don't have and how so. So in in the transformative care model for example, doing hub and spokes.

  • Scott Christman

    Person

    You know, we believe there's significant work to be done around, you know, it's essentially organizational change management but it's often in the clinical workflow. Like if if you're not accustomed to doing to a telehealth, you know, service delivery. If you're not, if you're not accustomed to doing e-consults where you're bringing a specialist over.

  • Scott Christman

    Person

    You know, essentially a digital, with a digital solution. You know, that kind of work is not the kind of work that we do, but we're very much committed to providing hands on assistance to the rural providers that are interested in moving to those kinds of care models. So it is those are gonna be really specialty services that we just don't offer.

  • Scott Christman

    Person

    Now and, you know, to Deputy Director Abbott's point, I mean, the things that we can do, we will do. We'll be designing the workforce development grant making, which we're excited. But clinical care capacity is is not something that we have to offer so we're gonna have to. The thing that I think is important is that those are direct services to the grantees and the participants in the program, not for us.

  • Caroline Menjivar

    Legislator

    Okay. No. No. No. Yeah. Of course. And then all of this that you described, I mean we submitted already to the CMS like this is these are set in stone programs.

  • Scott Christman

    Person

    The, yes. The concepts are. I mean the details are being designed now. But yes, generally how we're gonna make those investments and can and, you know, what the three programs are.

  • Caroline Menjivar

    Legislator

    Sell me on this workforce mapping to expansion.

  • Scott Christman

    Person

    Sure. I'll let Deputy Director Abbott speak to that.

  • Libby Abbott

    Person

    Happily. This is one of my great areas of passion. So...

  • Caroline Menjivar

    Legislator

    Oh, okay. I was like...

  • Libby Abbott

    Person

    Director Landsberg spoke earlier. When you asked the question about how are we looking at geographic inequities and access to care, she spoke about historically, we've been the office that establishes health profession shortage areas.

  • Libby Abbott

    Person

    We are now sort of maturing our approach by developing supply and demand models for different areas of workforce. And we think that's a more accurate way to assess severity of shortage because we're looking at actual population based demand for services and then comparing it to the supply of existing workforce.

  • Libby Abbott

    Person

    We did that work last year for behavioral health at nursing. We are, through the Rural Health Transformation work, which is focused on primary care and maternal health, going to develop our supply and demand models for primary care and maternal health.

  • Libby Abbott

    Person

    And why that's important is because we want to, for example, look at demand for maternal health services and then target our funding for scholarships for midwives. Or our education capacity expansion for midwives.

  • Libby Abbott

    Person

    Or our offering of fellowships for family care physician or physicians who provide OB services. We want to target that geographically to where we see the the biggest gaps in demand. So it is an analytical tool that helps us target our dollars.

  • Caroline Menjivar

    Legislator

    So even though anecdotally we know that there are gaps, this is just putting in data form?

  • Libby Abbott

    Person

    This is helping us prioritize. Because even, you know, let me give you example from behavioral health. We know that there are gaps in behavioral healthcare and we developed this model. And now we actually know where the most severe gaps are.

  • Libby Abbott

    Person

    So when we have limited dollars, we channel those dollars to the areas of most severe shortage. Same approach here with maternal health and primary care. We know across rural health that there are gaps and we wanna make sure that our dollars are going toward the areas with the most severe gaps.

  • Libby Abbott

    Person

    So for maternal health, if we're going to fund let's say the development of a new license midwifery program, we'd like to locate that program or incentivize the location of that program in in let's say the rural North if that's what we find has the most severe shortages.

  • Caroline Menjivar

    Legislator

    And those are eligible for funding under this, under these dollars?

  • Libby Abbott

    Person

    Yes. Workforce will include education capacity expansion.

  • Caroline Menjivar

    Legislator

    Perfect. Okay. And then so anything to do with infrastructure, creating a satellite clinic, all that are eligible for grants that are gonna be distributed from this?

  • Scott Christman

    Person

    Yeah. If they're, if they're serving the the goal.

  • Caroline Menjivar

    Legislator

    Yes. Of course. Of the rural area. Perfect. Okay. Did I turn to you already, Jason? Okay. Great. Perfect. We're gonna hold the item open. Move on to issue number eight. I mean, thank you so much. That's it. Moving on to our next department, Department of Managed Healthcare.

  • Caroline Menjivar

    Legislator

    With issue.

  • Caroline Menjivar

    Legislator

    You ready? Okay. Alright

  • Mary Watanabe

    Person

    I think it's afternoon. Good afternoon. My name is Mary Watanabe. I'm the Director of the Department of Managed Healthcare, and I have Dan Southard, our Chief Deputy Director with me. I'll quickly just provide an overview of our mission and our budget.

  • Mary Watanabe

    Person

    I'm happy to provide an overview of each of our offices, but I will say, the agenda did a good job going through those.

  • Mary Watanabe

    Person

    Okay, we'll move quickly.

  • Mary Watanabe

    Person

    So our mission is to ensure health fund members have access to equitable, high quality, timely, and affordable health care within a stable health care delivery system. We license and regulate a 140 health plans that provide health care coverage to approximately 30,200,000 Californians. We regulate more than 97% of commercial and government health plan enrollment in the state. Our proposed total budget for '26-'27 is a $186,000,00 and 798 authorized positions.

  • Mary Watanabe

    Person

    Just a reminder, we are specially funded by annual assessments on health plans and receive no general fund money.

  • Mary Watanabe

    Person

    And with that, I'll turn it over to Dan to cover two of our BCPs and then I'll be back.

  • Dan Suther

    Person

    Thank you and good afternoon, Madam chair. I'll start with SB41. SB41 bills.

  • Caroline Menjivar

    Legislator

    Okay, so we're moving on session number nine. Okay.

  • Dan Suther

    Person

    Sorry.

  • Dan Suther

    Person

    So starting with SB 41, the Pharmacy Benefit Manager. So SB41 builds upon previously established Pharmacy Benefit Manager Licensure requirements enacted in 2025 through AB116. By expanding legal requirements related to PBM revenue practices and pharmacy network reforms. The bill enacts sweeping reforms for PBMs and requires PBMs to be licensed by the DMEC starting in 01/01/2027.

  • Caroline Menjivar

    Legislator

    Yeah. Go ahead.

  • Dan Suther

    Person

    SB 41 limits how PBMs generate revenue by prohibiting spread pricing, requiring manufacturing rebates to be passed directly to health plans, and allowing only administrative fees to be charged. Additionally, this bill establishes new restrictions on how PBMs operate their contracted pharmacy networks, prohibiting discrimination against non affiliated pharmacies, and requiring PBMs to include any pharmacy willing to adopt standard terms.

  • Dan Suther

    Person

    SB41 requires the DMHC to issue formal guidance to ensure health plans and PBMs clearly understand and comply with requirements of SB 41, conduct detailed legal research of health plan and PBM contracts, policies and related documents to ensure compliance, address provider complaints against PBMs, and compile and analyze new PBM data.

  • Dan Suther

    Person

    Update medical survey technologies and or methodologies and tools to assess compliance with the requirements of SB4, and to implement the requirements of SB 41. The DMHC is requesting seven positions and $1,700,000 in '26-'27, increasing to a total of nine positions and $2,200,000 ongoing to implement the requirements from SB41. I can answer any questions or move on to the next.

  • Dan Suther

    Person

    Next item is prior authorization reporting, SB306. SB306 increases transparency in the prior authorization process by requiring health plans and health insurers to submit prior authorization data to the DMHC and the California Department of Insurance. After reviewing the data and consulting with stakeholders, the DMHC will develop and issue a list of healthcare services that will no longer be subject to prior authorization requirements.

  • Dan Suther

    Person

    The bill establishes a deadline of 07/01/2027 for issuing the list and 01/01/2028 for the health plans and insurers to implement the list of services that will no longer be subject to prior authorization.

  • Dan Suther

    Person

    SB 306 requires the DMHC to promulgate and amend applicable regulations to clarify the requirements of SB 306, review health plan contracts, policies and procedures, evidence of coverage, and disclosure force for compliance with SB 306, address consumer complaints related to prior authorization, and publish a list of healthcare services exempt from prior authorization requirements.

  • Dan Suther

    Person

    And finally, issue a public report on the impact of the prior authorization exemptions. To address this workload, the DMHC is requesting four positions at $1,400,000 in '26-'27 increasing to eight positions and $1,800,000 ongoing to implement requires of SB306. Any questions on that or continue on? I'll turn it back over to our Director, Mary. Thank you.

  • Mary Watanabe

    Person

    There we go. Alright. Beginning 01/01/2027, AB 1041 requires a health plan or its delegate to notify a provider within ten business days to verify receipt of their application, to make a determination regarding the credentials of a provider within 90 days after receiving a completed provider credentialing application, activate the provider upon successful approval, and notify the applicant of the activation within ten business days.

  • Mary Watanabe

    Person

    And if the plan fails to meet the 90 day deadline, the bill requires applicants credentials to be provisionally approved for a 120 days unless certain circumstances apply. And then beginning 01/01/2028, health plans and their delegates are required to use the Council for Affordable Quality Healthcare or CAQH credentialing form.

  • Mary Watanabe

    Person

    To implement this bill, we will issue guidance, review plans, contracts, policies and procedures, evidence of coverage and disclosure forms. We'll also update our medical survey tools to review compliance. We're requesting four positions and $1,200,000 in '26-'27 increasing to five positions and $1,400,000 ongoing to implement these requirements. And that concludes our overview of the BCPs.

  • Caroline Menjivar

    Legislator

    Jason, anything to add? We're gonna hold the item open, move on to a joint request on issue number 10.

  • Mary Watanabe

    Person

    Okay. And I, DHCS may be joining us but I'll just move on. Okay. So the Governor's January-

  • Caroline Menjivar

    Legislator

    Tyler is here.

  • Mary Watanabe

    Person

    Hi, Tyler.

  • Mary Watanabe

    Person

    Alright. The Governor's January budget included a proposal to increase access to treatment for the symptoms of perimenopause, menopause, and post-menopause through increased enrolling and provider awareness. The proposal specifies that health plans licensed by the DMHC, health insurers licensed by the California Department of Insurance, and medical managed care plans must cover services for evaluation FDA approved treatment for menopause when medically necessary.

  • Mary Watanabe

    Person

    In addition, health plans would be required to have a menopause program that includes a policy to provide an annual menopause assessment for enrollees age 40 and older during primary care and OB GYN appointments. A biannual notice to enrollees over age 40 that includes the definition of menopause and the services available to treat the symptoms of menopause.

  • Mary Watanabe

    Person

    And also a biannual notification to primary care and OB GYN providers on best practices for care, including current clinical care guidelines for menopause care from a nationally recognized professional associations, or the Menopause Society.

  • Mary Watanabe

    Person

    When making a determination about whether menopause care is medically necessary, health plans are required to base their criteria on generally accepted standards of menopause care from non profit professional associations for the relevant specialty.

  • Mary Watanabe

    Person

    They're also required to have a process to reimburse primary care providers and specialists for menopause care, including care integrated into OB GYN or primary care visits. Health plans are required to have a policy to contract with primary care OB GYNs with certification and credentialing by a nationally recognized organization such as the Menopause Society.

  • Mary Watanabe

    Person

    This should be include a policy to incentivize providers to obtain and maintain their certification. There are also other business and profession code requirements related to continuing education to incentivize providers to complete coursework related to menopause.

  • Mary Watanabe

    Person

    And finally, the proposal includes $ 3,000,000 for the California Health and Human Services Agency to conduct an outreach campaign to increase awareness of menopause symptoms, and about the menopause transition, and how to access treatment and evaluation.

  • Mary Watanabe

    Person

    To effectively enforce these requirements, we will need to review plan filings, monitor health plan implementation, and verify continued compliance through our medical surveys. We're requesting two positions and $407,000 in '26-'27 and $391,000 ongoing to address these requirements.

  • Mary Watanabe

    Person

    So you had a question about the difference in this proposal compared to AB432, including the rationale for why the administration is making these changes? I will just note, I think the most significant difference is AB432 would have limited utilization management for menopause related services. And would have required that one treatment option in each four categories of menopause symptoms be covered without utilization management, when deemed medically necessary by the treating provider.

  • Mary Watanabe

    Person

    The Trailer Bill proposal addresses the need for increased enrollee and provider education about the symptoms and latest clinical care guidelines for treating those symptoms, while maintaining the health plan utilization management practices. The proposals specify that health plans must cover FDA approved treatments. And we believe the requirement to use the non profit criteria when making medical necessity decisions will address some of those concerns.

  • Mary Watanabe

    Person

    I will just note, I think there are over 70. I read an article yesterday. There's maybe a 100 symptoms of menopause. So one of our concerns was, removing the requirement for the plans to use utilization measure prior authorization for that many symptoms, knowing that half of the population will experience menopause at some point. Has the potential to increase costs of the health care, and also lead to unnecessary treatments because there's an easier pathway.

  • Mary Watanabe

    Person

    So those were some of the greatest concerns. And I think I'll stop there and see if Tara Tyler has anything to add? No?

  • Tyler Sadwith

    Person

    Thank you, Director Watanabe, and good morning, Madam Chair. Tyler Sadwith, State Medicaid Director. Very briefly, just with respect to the impact on MediCal. The proposal exempts MediCal managed care plans from changes to the health and safety and insurance code section of the statute, but it updates the welfare and institutions code to codify the existing comprehensive MediCal coverage for menopause treatments including screening, evaluation, and treatment. In effect, the proposal has the effect of bringing commercial payers up to alignment with current medical benefits coverage.

  • Caroline Menjivar

    Legislator

    Okay. Thank you. My only question was a little bit more on the utilization. Like what kind of utilization controls are gonna be allowed within the TBL? 70 codes, it's a lot but what guard roads are gonna also exist?

  • Mary Watanabe

    Person

    Yeah. No. So plans can do utilization management today. I think AB432 would have removed that rate requirement for treatment of certain symptoms. Symptoms was not defined.

  • Mary Watanabe

    Person

    So I think the concern is that could have been very broad. So plans can, under this proposal, would continue to be able to do utilization management. But they would need to apply the non profit criteria, which would give more visibility, but also would mean they are using the latest clinical guidelines. I think one of the things we hear over and over and if you're this has showed up in your social media feed.

  • Mary Watanabe

    Person

    I think the biggest concern is there was a 2002 study that linked, hormone replacement therapy to breast cancer. And so there's been, I think, a lack of information for both enrollees as well as providers on what the latest clinical care guidelines are saying, which have kind of disputed or we've kind of, deviated from that study. And so the critical piece here is making sure that both health plan members and providers are up to date on the latest clinical guidelines.

  • Mary Watanabe

    Person

    And then also that the plans are applying those clinical care guidelines. The most current ones when they're making those utilization management decisions.

  • Caroline Menjivar

    Legislator

    Okay. And then on the $3,000,000 with public awareness, you should, mention notifications to enrollees and providers. So it's just we're sending out emails. Is that our public?

  • Mary Watanabe

    Person

    So under the pieces under the DMHC, the health plans will be required twice a year to send information to their members on what what are the symptoms of menopause? What are your treatment options? Similarly, they will need to send information to the treaty to their provider network about what the latest guidelines are from these menopause societies really to go to on this.

  • Mary Watanabe

    Person

    Separately through our California Health and Human Services Agency, there will be a public awareness campaign really to make sure the general public, has kind of the latest guidance on what are all of these symptoms of menopause.

  • Mary Watanabe

    Person

    What can you do? Who do you talk to? And again, that's on us. That's not under the DMHC. That'll be under Health and Human Services Agency.

  • Caroline Menjivar

    Legislator

    Okay. By any chance, do you have a little bit more details, Department of Finance, on the campaign? The public awareness campaign?

  • Angel Coronel

    Person

    Angel Alonso Coronel, Department of Finance. So with the Public Awareness Campaign is still under development and Health and Human Services Agency will be able to request in a budget augmentation when ready to implement this campaign.

  • Caroline Menjivar

    Legislator

    But it's being requested right now?

  • Angel Coronel

    Person

    That is correct.

  • Caroline Menjivar

    Legislator

    Yes. Okay. So but no details on the Public Awareness Campaign yet?

  • Caroline Menjivar

    Legislator

    Okay. Details coming in May?

  • Angel Coronel

    Person

    Correct.

  • Angel Coronel

    Person

    We provided updates as soon as it's available.

  • Caroline Menjivar

    Legislator

    Okay. Definitely tracking that to make sure we get more details on that. And that is it on this issue? Thank you so much. We're gonna hold it open. Sheridan Street Director.

  • Caroline Menjivar

    Legislator

    Now speaking with DHCS on issue number 11.

  • Tyler Sadwith

    Person

    Thank you. Good morning, Madam Chair. Tyler Sadwith, State Medicaid Director, Department of Health Care Services. First, I'd like to provide information about CalAIM enhanced care management and community supports. Enhanced Care Management or ECM in community supports continue to expand and mature statewide with strong uptake among high risk members, the population that these services are designed to reach.

  • Tyler Sadwith

    Person

    These are members who benefit most from whole person community anchored care. Utilization growing utilization is growing consistently across all counties. We have public reporting available on our website and just to highlight some of the growth statistics for enhanced care management, 205,000 unique members received ECM in the 2025. This represents an increase of 61% over the prior year. Since launching ECM, more than 452,000 unique members have received this service.

  • Tyler Sadwith

    Person

    For community supports, in the 2025, 187,000 unique members received a community support, which represents a 51% increase over the prior year. Since launching community supports, more than 521,000 unique members have received a community support service. And in total, over 1,300,000 community support services have been provided. Availability has grown significantly since launch. Although these are mostly optional for plans, every single Medi Cal managed care plan in California offers community supports.

  • Tyler Sadwith

    Person

    Every county in California has at least eight community supports available to all Medi Cal members no matter which plan that they're enrolled in. In 43 counties, representing 94% of Medi Cal members, all members have access to at least 10 community supports no matter which plan they're enrolled in. And in 24 counties representing 75% of of members, they have access to all 14 community supports. In terms of ECM, provider network growth has grown substantially.

  • Tyler Sadwith

    Person

    When we launched this service at the beginning of CalAIM, there were just 700 unique contracts.

  • Tyler Sadwith

    Person

    Today, there are there are over 4,000 unique contracts. Turning to okay. Turning to the fiscal picture as requested, the governor's budget projects for ECM, dollars 1,200,000,000.0 total funds in '25, '26, and $1,400,000,000 total funds in budget year. For community supports, except for the newest community support of transitional rent, the budget projects $1,100,000,000 total funds in current year, and $1,100,000,000 total funds in, budget year. I want to note these estimates reflect only the distinct cost of providing community support services.

  • Tyler Sadwith

    Person

    These estimates do not reflect avoided costs of more costly services that otherwise would have been provided, such as emergency department visits, inpatient hospital admissions, and nursing facility stays. I'll talk more in a bit about our analysis of cost effectiveness of community support services. But in terms of the budget, if ECM and community supports were discontinued, we would project a significant increase in high cost acute care spending due to higher levels of use of these intensive services.

  • Tyler Sadwith

    Person

    For transitional rent, the final community support, we project $55,000,000 total fund in current year and $225,000,000 in, budget year. In terms of cost effectiveness of community supports, this is a sort of a, you know, a complex area of analysis.

  • Tyler Sadwith

    Person

    In some cases, a member exiting a hospital might receive a community support like recuperative care in the lieu of being admitted into a nursing facility, so we can capture that type of cost avoidance immediately.

  • Tyler Sadwith

    Person

    For some other scenarios, and other community supports like asthma remediation services, which reduce the incidence of asthma exacerbations and care management, cost avoidance may be seen over a longer period of time, in terms of community supports, we published a report in April describing a cost effectiveness analysis of 12 of the 14 community supports.

  • Tyler Sadwith

    Person

    For members who received a community support, we compared the cost of delivering that service to the savings that we achieved from reducing and avoiding inpatient hospital use, emergency department use, and long term care use, and other services, and the six months before and after the intervention of the community support. So we have a fact sheet on our website.

  • Tyler Sadwith

    Person

    It shows that of the 12 community supports analyzed in this report, nine are already demonstrating cost effectiveness and the three remaining services are on track to be cost effective over a longer study period consistent with guidelines the Federal Government has for how to measure cost effectiveness for these types of interventions.

  • Tyler Sadwith

    Person

    Just a couple quick highlights. Respite services were associated with a 61% net cost reduction. Personal care and homemaker services are associated with a 58 net cost per 58% net cost reduction. Housing deposits achieved a 32% net cost reduction. Recuperative care associated with a 29% net cost reduction and so forth.

  • Tyler Sadwith

    Person

    We are finalizing by the end of this month an updated report that analyzes more data over a longer study period including new analytical methodologies. In terms of enhanced care management, a formal evaluation of cost savings has not been completed. However, there are independent evaluations of

  • Tyler Sadwith

    Person

    the programs that ECM is modeled on and based on. The whole person care and health home programs both demonstrated medical cost savings by reducing avoidable acute care and emergency department use. The all person care pilot showed annual medical savings of about $383 per member and $581 per medically complex members. We are exploring the possibility of a formal evaluation of ECM outcomes and cost effectiveness. We have a formal independent evaluation underway.

  • Tyler Sadwith

    Person

    We are completing a full independent evaluation of community supports as required by our nineteen fifteen b waiver special terms and conditions. UCLA and the Rand Corporation are completing this independent evaluation examining the program's cost effectiveness and health outcomes with results due in 2028. Turning to the question regarding provider capacity and transitioning community supports into the state plan. Provider capacity for community supports continues to improve state wide.

  • Tyler Sadwith

    Person

    Managed care plans report steady increases in executed provider contracts and expanding network growth across these services as reflected in in the submissions of their model of care that they that they send to us.

  • Tyler Sadwith

    Person

    We show on our website, the number of provider contracts for community supports has increased from just 731 when we launched this program to over 3,000, as of about one year ago. In terms of the transition of community supports into a state plan benefit, we are not pursuing that transition at this time. Instead, we are working to ensure continuity of community supports under the optimal federal authority for sustainability, which is managed care authority as an in lieu of service.

  • Tyler Sadwith

    Person

    In lieu of services is a permanent option for state Medicaid programs enshrined in federal Medicaid managed care regulations and it's memorialized in our approved managed care plan contracts. 12 of our community supports are covered under in lieu of services authority.

  • Tyler Sadwith

    Person

    As we described in our Section eleven fifteen CalAIM waiver renewal, which we posted for public comment and had public hearings this in February and March, we're planning to transition the federal authority for recuperative care and short term post hospitalization housing from the eleven fifteen waiver into in lieu of services authority. This will allow us to incorporate those services and really ensure sustainability of these services into a consolidated service model.

  • Tyler Sadwith

    Person

    Given there is a very significant risk, CMS would not approve these upon the eleven fifteen waiver renewal, and thus these services would no longer be covered effective 01/01/2027. Turning to the question regarding how the department ensures managed care plans leverage local vendors and community based organizations. We work closely and actively with all plans to promote the the use of community embedded and community rooted providers.

  • Tyler Sadwith

    Person

    We emphasize and have consistently emphasized contracting with local providers and CBOs that have deep ties to the communities they serve. Understanding these CBOs understand local needs, cultures, and gaps. So in terms of oversight, we monitor the types of providers that our plans contract with to ensure they're engaging non profits and CBOs that reflect the cultural, geographic, and linguistic needs of members. And we have regular monitoring meetings and additional oversight mechanisms, to strengthen partnerships with these providers.

  • Tyler Sadwith

    Person

    To support these providers, the department has awarded over $1,600,000,000 in grant funding and in technical assistance resources to more than 2,200 CBOs through the path initiative for providing access and transforming health.

  • Tyler Sadwith

    Person

    As part of the independent evaluation of CalAIM that UCLA and Rand are conducting that I mentioned. They developed an interim evaluation report, that we submitted to CMS in December. And this focused on the impact that PATH has had on CBOs in participating in CalAIM. This report found that PATH is achieving its objectives of integrating CBO's that have historically not participated in medical, bringing them into medical for the first time for the purpose of delivering ECM and community supports.

  • Tyler Sadwith

    Person

    Among providers that receive path funding or technical assistance, the vast majority were CBOs, ninety one percent and ninety three percent respectively.

  • Tyler Sadwith

    Person

    This independent evaluation found path helped cover these providers initial operational costs and supported a gradual ramp up of their participation in CalAIM as intended. We are also working closely with the California Healthcare Foundation to support CBO's to participate in CalAIM, including through funding provided by the foundation in the development of technical assistance resources and toolkits in close collaboration with the department to really support managed care plans in CBOs to enter into as an option and arrangement through community care hubs.

  • Tyler Sadwith

    Person

    Community care hubs are a way to enable CBOs to to focus on their core competency, service delivery, and reduce the administrative burden of data collection and reporting, claim submission, compliance requirement, contract negotiations, and so forth. So we have seen that these hubs really streamline these back office business functions for small grassroots CBOs and enable them to take advantage of CalAIM.

  • Tyler Sadwith

    Person

    We've heard from plans that these, a DHCS endorsed resource explaining how these hubs can be operationalized consistent with federal and state requirements, was really pivotal for them to, expand these types of arrangements.

  • Tyler Sadwith

    Person

    Happy to answer any questions.

  • Caroline Menjivar

    Legislator

    Will, are you my guy on this one?

  • Will Owens

    Person

    Yes. Will Owens with the LAO. So, on this item, last year our office published an update on the implementation of ECM and community supports, benefits. So in general, we found that utilization of the benefits, was growing over time, but was somewhat lower than anticipated at the start of these programs. Additionally, we noted that more information was needed to determine, whether these initiatives were meeting the goals, outlined at the start including reduction of cost and avoidance of higher cost services.

  • Will Owens

    Person

    So as mentioned by the department, there have been a few updates since that report. More information has come out. And I just wanted to highlight for the committee a few updated issues for consideration from our original report. So first, the most recent data released by DHCS does show the utilization of these benefits. Both ECM and community supports has continued to increase since we published our analysis last year.

  • Will Owens

    Person

    And as we discussed in a report that many of the barriers to increasing utilization of these benefits was mostly due to the fact that these were largely kind of provided by CBOs that were not as familiar with the Medi Cal managed care plan kind of billing ecosystem and how that all worked is much different operating model to what they usually did.

  • Will Owens

    Person

    So we would expect that as, CBO's providers and managed care plans, got kind of more used to this benefit and working with each other that we would see utilization increase over time as things got streamlined. And that appears to be the case. However, we would still flag for the legislature, that additional information, may be requested from the department regarding, provider accuracy, as well as barriers, for both plans and providers and patients from accessing these services.

  • Will Owens

    Person

    These would be things that go beyond simply number of provider contracts, but would be looking at things that are a little more closely related to things like timeliness of patients as accessing these benefits, reimbursement of per time timing of providers.

  • Will Owens

    Person

    Things like that that, dig a little bit more deeper and and try to understand these barriers. So second, as mentioned by the department, DHCS released an annual report to CMS last year detailing some of the cost effectiveness measures of community supports. And they have an upcoming, evaluation as required by CMS that will be released later kind of looking at CMS or the community supports as a whole over a longer time period.

  • Will Owens

    Person

    In general, most of the services were shown to reduce costs and and as the department said, reduce reliance on higher acuity care options such as inpatient emergency department utilization.

  • Will Owens

    Person

    So this type of analysis really is critical for the legislature to assess the success of these programs kind of moving forward And kind of, adding on to to some of our recommendations last year, we would, suggest in the legislature may wish to work with the administration to determine how this type of analysis, could be done on an ongoing and sustainable way to evaluate community supports as well as ECM.

  • Will Owens

    Person

    As department noted, ECM, the cost effectiveness is based on previous pilot programs that share some but not all components of the current ECM benefit. So given the kind of growing utilization and and growing share of general fund spending on this that that these benefits have shown over time. It's important for the legislature to understand how these cost savings are are still being had moving forward. With that, available to answer any questions.

  • Jason Constantouros

    Person

    Thank you so much.

  • Caroline Menjivar

    Legislator

    Deputy director. I'm a huge fan of cost saving evaluations. Is does this program only do that because it's a requirement by CMS? Or is this common of our programs?

  • Tyler Sadwith

    Person

    Thank you madam chair for the question. I would say that the sort of resources that are allocated specifically towards the cost effectiveness evaluations of community supports are prioritized in a way in part because they are federally required across a few different areas including our nineteen fifteen b STCs. The federal regulations that govern in lieu of services authority, which we're using for most of these services. And then, in addition, the CalAIM eleven fifteen STC is where an independent evaluator will review.

  • Tyler Sadwith

    Person

    So because CMS requires such sort of rigorous and prescriptive and ongoing cost effectiveness determinations for these, we're able to receive the resources to do that level of analysis.

  • Tyler Sadwith

    Person

    Generally speaking, we do try to take into account sort of, you know, cost effectiveness of healthcare services when, you know, designing and, you know, benefits in general, but not to the level of this rigor, if that's helpful.

  • Caroline Menjivar

    Legislator

    Yeah. A little bit. I guess I'm trying to figure out is it just a a money thing if we if I were to want a formal evaluation there, you know, there have been stakeholders that have presented certain programs that say this will be cost savings down the line. And there's key points you've mentioned, you know, to avoid acute care, avoid people being in hospitals.

  • Caroline Menjivar

    Legislator

    Not to this topic, but just bringing up things that have come up in the subcommittee air a private duty nursing or congregate health living facilities, ways to remove people from hospitals.

  • Caroline Menjivar

    Legislator

    So I'm just wondering how to formally get a evaluation of other programs. See how it's been so beneficial for Kauai.

  • Tyler Sadwith

    Person

    Thank you madam chair. Yeah and with congregate health living facilities in particular, I mean we are actively pursuing the opportunity to to carve that into managed care to enable

  • Jason Constantouros

    Person

    That's right, I forgot about that.

  • Tyler Sadwith

    Person

    For that because we do believe that's members as well as for the budget.

  • Caroline Menjivar

    Legislator

    So how do you I mean, did I turn to you, LEO? Hey, do a formal evaluation?

  • Jason Constantouros

    Person

    Well, so I I think some of the challenge here is in in cases where the department is required to look at a cost effectiveness. Sometimes their design works in a way where you can do that sort of evaluation. A lot of other policies that have been enacted over time, it it can be much harder to isolate those effects because they come in a package of many other sort of factors.

  • Jason Constantouros

    Person

    But but generally it is a it I would concur that it is a it is a high priority to sort of evaluate new things. This this come up a lot.

  • Jason Constantouros

    Person

    It's it's not just, sort of new benefits for example. Like, like, we're not aware still of an evaluation of how the prop 56 rate increases sort of affected access. And that that would be another sort of key

  • Caroline Menjivar

    Legislator

    policy question. To MCO. Right?

  • Jason Constantouros

    Person

    And same thing with the MCO tax.

  • Caroline Menjivar

    Legislator

    Providers in this area.

  • Jason Constantouros

    Person

    Yeah. That one MCO tax maybe because it still hasn't been implemented Sure. That that would be. But but it it Some of it comes down to sort of how it's designed. And sometimes you need to design it in a way that that that can contribute to the evaluation.

  • Jason Constantouros

    Person

    The other thing I would just emphasize is that you sort of asked is it is it just a money issue? And really, you know, the legislature has many priorities and it isn't it isn't always just a fiscal consideration. Sometimes, high priority policy issues cost more money, but they but they're high priority. They they ensure access, they improve people's health outcomes. There there can be other factors than just whether or not it saves money.

  • Jason Constantouros

    Person

    So that that would be an important consideration. True.

  • Caroline Menjivar

    Legislator

    Can you go over the pro- you you you spoke on it a little bit. The they expire, the two waivers expire December 31. And you mentioned if we don't change something, it it it will be contingent on the ability to renew. So we are able to renew, but we have to change some things?

  • Tyler Sadwith

    Person

    Yes. Thank you. Thank you madam chair. So we are, preparing to to navigate the expiration of the two federal waivers that we rely on for CalAIM. We have a 1915 what's called the nineteen fifteen b waiver and what's called a Section eleven fifteen waiver.

  • Tyler Sadwith

    Person

    12 of our 14 community supports are covered under in lieu of services authority, which is really established simply in managed care regulations. And states are typically able to cover services like our community supports as in lieu of services outside of any waiver. They're typically able to cover them in their plan contract and they submit that to CMS for review and approval consistent with the regulations.

  • Tyler Sadwith

    Person

    In CalAIM, in our nineteen fifteen b waiver, we do have a lot of specific standard terms and conditions about reporting on our in lieu of services because we were very comprehensive and we kind of were innovative in the addressing social determinants of health and health related social needs. And so CMS, when they approved our CalAIM waiver, added a lot of extraordinary reporting requirements in our 1915 b waiver.

  • Tyler Sadwith

    Person

    But fundamentally, the authority for them is in the regulations and not subject to a waiver renewal. Two of our 12 community supports under CalAIM cannot be covered as an in lieu of service because they entail room and board. They I figured they yeah. So recuperative care and short term post hospitalization housing, the only way to cover them is in what's called the Section eleven fifteen waiver. That also expires at the end of this year.

  • Tyler Sadwith

    Person

    We believe it would be unlikely that CMS would under this administration would renew our eleven fifteen waiver with recuperative care and with short term post hospitalization housing. And so if we just asked for that, it's likely they would deny it and these two services would fall off a cliff. So we're in the process and what we proposed through our public comment period for the 11/15 renewal.

  • Tyler Sadwith

    Person

    We proposed to take those two services, really consolidate them into one because they're they're quite similar, and then move that new consolidated service into the in lieu of services authority, so that it's similar to all of the other community supports. In doing so, we avoid the risk that CMS says, no, that's not approvable in the waiver.

  • Tyler Sadwith

    Person

    In doing so though, we have to remove the room and board component because room and board cannot be covered under a lieu of services. That's why it was in the 11/15 waiver. So we're modifying the service itself. We're also we're taking out room and board, but we are strengthening some clinical competencies, clinical staffing around it. So it's a little bit more of a medically monitored service.

  • Tyler Sadwith

    Person

    So sort of updating the service if you will, and then covering it in in lieu of services to avoid this renewal process.

  • Caroline Menjivar

    Legislator

    At what point would we have to stop offering that service to have enough time to individuals getting kicked out of that room and board?

  • Tyler Sadwith

    Person

    So what we plan to do as we navigate the renewal process and transition across different federal authorities, we are aiming for a seamless patient and provider experience. So the providers that deliver recuperative care and short term post hospitalization today, we've been engaging them heavily on this approach. And our goal is to make sure that the majority, if not all of them are poised and positioned to deliver the new recuperative care service covered under the in lieu of services authority.

  • Tyler Sadwith

    Person

    So they would still be able to continue operating, Patients would still be able to continue getting services there. The only fundamental difference is it's a different federal authority, and then technically speaking, we would no longer cover room and board.

  • Tyler Sadwith

    Person

    And technically speaking, room and board would no longer be explicitly part of the payment rate development but we are making other updates to the service as I mentioned to to sort of strengthen some standards around it. We also are looking at the fact that we haven't updated these rates for inflation this entire time. And so just updating it for inflation would increase. So trying trying to make sure we're avoiding disruption for providers and patients as we do the transition.

  • Caroline Menjivar

    Legislator

    And to that note, under the recuperative care, just with Health Net alone, there's been some recent incidents. I think it's up to 500 people. A lot in LA County that have been kicked out of their recuperative care facilities. The Health Net partner with Soul Housing. I'm wondering if the impending, expiration of this have caused the seize of contracts, and have kicked people off.

  • Caroline Menjivar

    Legislator

    While the department put out a statement saying, they didn't violate anything because they gave enough time within the guidelines and said they were gonna eliminate that. It does seem though that the plan has not been ethical in providing continuity of care of where these people have gone to. What else is the department doing to ensure? I mean in South LA there was a recent big one. I don't know if you're aware of all these situations.

  • Caroline Menjivar

    Legislator

    Is that connected to where everything you just mentioned?

  • Tyler Sadwith

    Person

    Thank you, Madam Chair. So we have worked closely with Health Net with Soul Housing both in Los Angeles as well as in Fresno County where sole housing was also Part of a an interruption

  • Caroline Menjivar

    Legislator

    Yeah.

  • Tyler Sadwith

    Person

    In their contract with the managed care plan to deliver recuperative care. Based on our understanding and our involvement in in supporting members, these are unrelated issues. Sole housing was it's all an individual case by case issue but in many cases, sole housing was admitting people without prior authorization and expecting to be sort of paid and receive reimbursement without going through the typical and the required processes that medical managed care plans used to administer these benefits and ensure the integrity of the program.

  • Caroline Menjivar

    Legislator

    Was it more an issue on because it was also housing locations. So it was more an issue on the non profits ability to follow the guidelines necessary. But I mean, a person at the end that, you know, gets impacted is the patient. Unbeknownst to them, you know, what is happening and so forth.

  • Tyler Sadwith

    Person

    A 100%. And that's why we worked very closely with with Health Net and with all the plans involved and with Soul Housing to help make sure that above all, sort of the transitions were prioritized and making sure that there is individualized one on one case management to make sure people had a pathway to go to as the underlying, you know, business dispute was being adjudicated.

  • Caroline Menjivar

    Legislator

    So unique situation, nothing needs to be in place for guardrails for other bigger picture issues on that. It was just this entity in specific. Part

  • Tyler Sadwith

    Person

    see that as a pattern. We don't see the experience that we observed with sole housing in several different locations. That is not a pattern, across across community supports.

  • Caroline Menjivar

    Legislator

    Okay. You mentioned 4,000 unique contracts. Is that 4,000 unique vendors? Non profits that clients have partnered with? Is that what you've alluded to?

  • Tyler Sadwith

    Person

    Yes. In ECM. And that's moment in time. I think historically it's been 6,000 but, you know, these fluctuate over time. So currently, are based on the latest data available 4,000.

  • Tyler Sadwith

    Person

    Provider yeah, providers delivering this.

  • Caroline Menjivar

    Legislator

    And going a little bit more on one of the questions, I think it was the number third, number three that you talked about. The maximizing the benefits of local vendors. You know, there was reports that a lot of the contracts were out of state vendors. Do we have an update of, has that percentage changed? There was a huge percent of them that were out of state.

  • Caroline Menjivar

    Legislator

    Have we focused more on in state contracts?

  • Tyler Sadwith

    Person

    Yes. Thank you. Thank you madam chair. So for ECM, 90 over 99% are in state. And so that is not really a sort of an area that we've heard about.

  • Tyler Sadwith

    Person

    Within community supports, you know, some just by nature are truly in state.

  • Tyler Sadwith

    Person

    We did hear, you know, early on, I think with medically tailored meals in particular, reporting and and you know conversations with with plans that initially as they stood these services up there there were concerns about providers located out of state that obtained some contracts We've since engaged with plans and with, you know, representatives of CBO's and we've learned from plans that they have changed their provider contracting strategies to focus more on not only in state providers but specifically sort of the CBO's that this was intended for.

  • Caroline Menjivar

    Legislator

    Okay. And my last question is and I apologize I can't remember the actual phrase. But there was an issue last year regarding the assisted living waiver. Yes. It's a list that needed to be disclosed.

  • Caroline Menjivar

    Legislator

    No, I'm not hitting on the no here.

  • Tyler Sadwith

    Person

    Apologize. Madam chair, we can follow-up. I'm not personally tracking that.

  • Caroline Menjivar

    Legislator

    Okay. Yeah. I've been trying to figure this out. I'll I'll get back to you on the question. Okay.

  • Caroline Menjivar

    Legislator

    That was it on issue number 11. Thank you so much. Move on to issue number 12.

  • Tyler Sadwith

    Person

    Issue number 12 is the California community transitions, budget change proposal. The department is requesting limited term resources equivalent to one position, an expenditure authority of $165,000 in federal funds in budget year to support the, the California Community Transitions Program operations, noting this is a 100% federally funded and has no general fund impact.

  • Tyler Sadwith

    Person

    Through the California Community Transition Program, which operates under the federal money follows the person initiative, eligible individuals with disabilities receive transition coordination services to help them move from institutional care to community based living to provide to receive long term services and supports and home and community based supports to mean independence at home or in their community. This program also plays a pivotal role in the state's efforts to update operational infrastructure including through the no rung door system that is operated by the California Department of Aging.

  • Tyler Sadwith

    Person

    This position will help manage the administrative, operational and monitoring workloads associated with these activities and comply with federal grant funding and reporting requirements.

  • Caroline Menjivar

    Legislator

    Okay. Now hold the item open. Move on to issue number 13.

  • Tyler Sadwith

    Person

    Issue number 13 is a budget change proposal, related to a final rule that CMS passed in 2024. The department is requesting one year limited term resources equivalent to seven positions, four year limited term resources equivalent to 15 positions, and expenditure authority of $7,275,000 total funds, of which 1.788 is general fund in budget year. In addition, we are requesting four year limited term funding authority for 15 permanent positions, that we received one time funding for in last year's PCP.

  • Tyler Sadwith

    Person

    These resources will continue to, support the department's ability to meet all federal and state requirements, as part of the 2024 final rule, the ensuring access to Medicaid services final rule, often known as the access rule. These resources are necessary to continue the planning, development, implementation, and ongoing administration, monitoring, and oversight for requirements starting to be effective this year.

  • Tyler Sadwith

    Person

    The rule imposes permanent operational and regulatory workloads and, complete implementation requires long term staffing that far exceeds the limited term positions previously approved. And just as context, in HR 1, Congress included a moratorium on several final rules that CMS had promulgated in 2024. However, Congress did not include a moratorium on the Medicaid access rule. So as a result, ongoing resources are required to retain the initially approved positions and to achieve and sustain compliance and monitoring and stakeholder engagement, in accordance with this rule.

  • Caroline Menjivar

    Legislator

    No questions here. Hold the item open. Move on to issue number 14.

  • Tyler Sadwith

    Person

    This is a, budget change proposal related to human resources plus modernization. The department is requesting three permanent positions and expenditure authority of $4,535,000 total funds in budget year to continue the planning, procurement, and project implementation costs to modernize our human resources and related fiscal systems and processes. The department recently finalized the procurement for a new system, and we are working on implementation planning.

  • Tyler Sadwith

    Person

    This system will result in streamlined human resources and fiscal reporting that are necessary to address current and ongoing federal concerns that CMS has raised in its financial reviews of our program regarding cost allocation documents in order to claim federal funds for administrative activities. This is necessary for DHCS to meet federal allowable claiming requirements and to not jeopardize significant federal funding and penalties and ongoing deferrals that we currently face as we administer a state only healthcare program for medical members with unsatisfactory immigration status.

  • Tyler Sadwith

    Person

    There are no cost savings directly associated with this request. However, the system investment will ensure federal funding that is claimed meets federal auditing standards and thus it will result in cost avoidance due to avoiding federal disallowances.

  • Caroline Menjivar

    Legislator

    No questions from me. Hold the item open. Move on to issue 15. Thank you.

  • Tyler Sadwith

    Person

    The department is proposing a technical cleanup in Trailer bill language of existing statute related to the breast cancer research accounts. The technical cleanup corrects state department references from DHCS to the California Department of Public Health in the revenue and taxation code. Specifically, the revenue and taxation code Section three zero four six one point six governs revenues that are allocated from cigarette and tobacco products surtax which are deposited into the breast cancer fund.

  • Tyler Sadwith

    Person

    This fund includes two accounts, the breast cancer control account and the breast cancer research account. Together the revenue in these two accounts is used for our every woman counts program.

  • Tyler Sadwith

    Person

    DHCS is the designated state department for the breast cancer control account. California Department of Public Health is the designated state department for the breast cancer research account. This proposal is necessary to restore and correct state department references, to ensure appropriate designation of roles and responsibilities and ensure uninterrupted program operations, research and public health services.

  • Caroline Menjivar

    Legislator

    Okay. Thank you so much.

  • Tyler Sadwith

    Person

    Thank you.

  • Caroline Menjivar

    Legislator

    Take care. Safe travels. Missed, missed the flight so, I'm going on the next one. Department of Public Health? I do this myself.

  • Caroline Menjivar

    Legislator

    I'm no one asking questions so. Now moving on to issue 16. Okay.

  • Unidentified Speaker

    Person

    Alright.

  • Caroline Menjivar

    Legislator

    Not yet. Is the red on? I think it's off. I think it It has it has to the red light has to be Thank you. There we go.

  • Unidentified Speaker

    Person

    Alright. Can you hear me now?

  • Caroline Menjivar

    Legislator

    Yes. Okay.

  • Unidentified Speaker

    Person

    Hi. I'm Doctor Dimplecone. I'm the Division Director for GDSP. And GDSP administers two programs funded through the genetic disease testing fund. The mandatory newborn screening program and the voluntary prenatal screening program.

  • Unidentified Speaker

    Person

    So the budget overview for fiscal year twenty five twenty six expenditures are estimated at a 169,600,000. Of that, 132,300,000.0 in local assistance and 37,200,000.0 in assistance and 37,200,000.0 in state operations. A $6,000,000 or 3.4% decrease from the 2025 budget act driven by lower live births and reduced PNS participation. For fiscal year twenty six, twenty seven expenditures total 175,000,000 of that 138,300,000.0 in local assistance and 36,700,000.0 in state operations. A net decrease of 531,000 or 0.3% compared to the 2025 budget act.

  • Unidentified Speaker

    Person

    This reflects lower PNS volume, higher MBS costs from the Krabbe disease expansion, and the end of a one time prior year resource authorized in 2324. For fiscal year 2526, we expect the number of newborns screened to decrease by one percent from the prior year. And for fiscal year twenty six, twenty seven, the number of newborns screened is projected to decline further by zero point six percent.

  • Unidentified Speaker

    Person

    In twenty twenty five, twenty six, newborn screening expenditures are decreasing 1,200,000.0 from budget act levels and will increase 2,700,000.0 to 56,100,000.0 in fiscal year twenty six twenty seven. A five percent increase.

  • Unidentified Speaker

    Person

    This is mainly due to a statutorily required Krabbe disease expansion to the newborn screening panel as of 07/01/2026. This addition will require $5,500,000 in local assistance of that $3,700,000 for lab and diagnostic work and 1,800,000.0 for operational support. We anticipate that a roughly $20 fee increase per participant will likely be needed in fiscal year twenty seven, twenty eight for ongoing costs. And any such fee increase will be pursued through the formal rule making process.

  • Unidentified Speaker

    Person

    For CFO, for prenatal screening for our CF DNA tests for fiscal year twenty five twenty six, we expect the number of tests to decrease by 1% from the prior year.

  • Unidentified Speaker

    Person

    And we expect a further decrease of 0.5% in fiscal year twenty six, twenty seven. For our neural tube defects screenings, we anticipate a 2% decline in fiscal year twenty five, twenty six. We anticipate a further decrease of 0.5% in fiscal year twenty six-twenty seven. Prenatal screening for fiscal year twenty five-twenty six expenditures will be 51,100,000.0, marking an 8.3% drop from the 2025 budget act. In fiscal year twenty six-twenty seven, expenditures will be at 51,300,000.0, which is down 7.8% from the budget act amount.

  • Unidentified Speaker

    Person

    In conclusion, GDSP's fund remains fiscally stable. We will continue monitoring reserves and prepare for future fee adjustments. Thank you.

  • Caroline Menjivar

    Legislator

    How much do people pay for, for this now? For which? You said there was an increase of five, there's gonna be an increase of 5%?

  • Unidentified Speaker

    Person

    No. No. No. That was a, that was their expenditures.

  • Caroline Menjivar

    Legislator

    Okay. Yeah. But you said

  • Caroline Menjivar

    Legislator

    there was gonna be a fee increase?

  • Unidentified Speaker

    Person

    Yeah. The, roughly $20 fee increase $20. For the Yeah. Yeah. For, newborn screening.

  • Caroline Menjivar

    Legislator

    So how much people pay now?

  • Unidentified Speaker

    Person

    What's the current?

  • Unidentified Speaker

    Person

    It's the $2.26.

  • Caroline Menjivar

    Legislator

    $226. Yes. Okay. And then now, they're gonna have to pay $20 more because?

  • Unidentified Speaker

    Person

    We have to expand, due to the statute in the RUSP edition of Krabbe disease. Okay. So we have to add that by 07/01/2020.

  • Caroline Menjivar

    Legislator

    Even though we have less participants?

  • Unidentified Speaker

    Person

    Yes. And that's due to the how labs work. Okay. So fixed costs, laboratories basically operate with a lot of fixed costs. So as actually volume goes down, the fixed cost per participant actually goes up and then our contract cost go up as well.

  • Unidentified Speaker

    Person

    So there's an ongoing cost Can

  • Caroline Menjivar

    Legislator

    you put the mic in front of you for the house? Yeah.

  • Unidentified Speaker

    Person

    So there's an ongoing cost of 5,500,000.0 for adding the Krabbe disease. At this time of the next fiscal year 2627, we were able to absorb the implementation cost. But in 2728, you know, based from the fund balance that we are in currently, we are projecting that we might anticipate to do a fee increase, which the $20 is the projection.

  • Caroline Menjivar

    Legislator

    Is this the first time we're seeing back to back decreases in participation?

  • Unidentified Speaker

    Person

    For NBS, the decrease in participation is mainly because of the decline in the birth rate.

  • Caroline Menjivar

    Legislator

    That that's what I meant. Yes.

  • Unidentified Speaker

    Person

    Correct. Yeah. And then the other participation decline is mainly purely for the PNS Because we don't we lost the exclusivity. Uh-huh.

  • Caroline Menjivar

    Legislator

    I don't see my generation changing their their minds on this. So I'm anticipating of more and more decline. So does that then equate higher and higher cost now moving forward with these programs? If you explain that it goes opposite direction?

  • Unidentified Speaker

    Person

    For, NBS Yes. Mainly the fee increase is leading more so because we're adding new disorders, which those addition disorders is actually, we need to have more expenditure authority because the complexity of these disorders, it depends on what type of reagents, what type of instrument we will be needing, and the capacity that we need to run all these new disorders. So those things still needs to be assessed. But currently, we know that we're going live with Krabbe.

  • Unidentified Speaker

    Person

    We know exactly what we need to spend as an ongoing cost.

  • Unidentified Speaker

    Person

    And based on the condition of our fund condition currently, we are projecting that we might need to do this $20 fee increase in 2728.

  • Caroline Menjivar

    Legislator

    Love the name crab, I guess. Yeah. It's interesting how we name these things. But I guess I thought I heard that how the lab works is the smaller the population that gets tested.

  • Unidentified Speaker

    Person

    No, it's more like fixed cost. So if you have, I'm gonna just start with like an example of if I'm testing a thousand patients. Right? I need x number of staff, I need reagents, and I need instruments for that. Even if I go down to 900 patients, I still need x number of staff, reagents and and instruments for that.

  • Unidentified Speaker

    Person

    You you can't get half of an instrument.

  • Caroline Menjivar

    Legislator

    You lower them on the staff.

  • Unidentified Speaker

    Person

    Yeah. Yeah. So

  • Unidentified Speaker

    Person

    Okay. Yeah. So some of our, especially the follow-up. Yeah. For any positive cases or headline cases, we have a base baseline cost that we usually pay our contractors and those are usually a fixed cost.

  • Unidentified Speaker

    Person

    Okay. And depending on the number of resources that they needed to assist us for any referrals, you know, with the cases that we send to them, those are the things that really become like a fix in our contract.

  • Caroline Menjivar

    Legislator

    And why are patients opting out? Of the PNS program? Yes.

  • Unidentified Speaker

    Person

    It's I think it's multifactorial. I I'm not, I don't think we have a full assessment of that. But I do think that when we lost exclusivity That really impacted the state program.

  • Caroline Menjivar

    Legislator

    And what does that mean?

  • Caroline Menjivar

    Legislator

    Because if I say that, I I feel like that means, is our test not up to par to the private approach as to why people are opting out of ours?

  • Unidentified Speaker

    Person

    Yeah. So currently, right now, we're providing an option to patient. Because meaning, our program can only do SCA, CF DNA plus SCA and we don't do any additional Stromosome.

  • Unidentified Speaker

    Person

    Sorry. And employees. It's a cell free DNA test and so we do two types of testing. So there's cell free DNA, those go to private contract labs. And then we have neural tube defect testing which is and we do that in house.

  • Unidentified Speaker

    Person

    Okay. So there's two different types of tests. The neural tube defect testing, private labs really don't wanna do. There's not a

  • Caroline Menjivar

    Legislator

    lot of money in it. Right, I heard.

  • Unidentified Speaker

    Person

    Yeah. So cell free DNA though, it's a totally different ball game. And also, the ease of ordering for practitioners within their own EHRs. They don't have to come to the state and fill out our, you know, go online in our form. Also, the labs market to them, all these additional offerings that they could get that are, you know, may or may not be prudent.

  • Unidentified Speaker

    Person

    But they're not endorsed. I think by ACOG. There's a lot of extra testing, bells and whistles. Yeah.

  • Caroline Menjivar

    Legislator

    When did that switch over? When did we expand?

  • Unidentified Speaker

    Person

    2021.

  • Caroline Menjivar

    Legislator

    Okay. Okay. Yeah. Any Can I hold the item open? Thank you so much.

  • Caroline Menjivar

    Legislator

    Issue 17. Okay. Thank you.

  • Fariha Choudhary

    Person

    All right. Good afternoon, Fariha Choudhary, WIC Division Director. I will be providing an overview of the WIC expenditure and caseload changes, and then we'll move on to responding to additional questions requested by the subcommittee. So I'll start with an overview of WIC expenditures.

  • Fariha Choudhary

    Person

    WIC's food expenditure estimate is $1,000,119,000. This is an increase of $67,400,000 or 6.41% compared to the 2025 budget act and driven by a food inflation rate of 2.8%. This figure is slightly offset by a forecasted diminishing growth of participation compared with prior estimates. And the anticipated expenditures of local administration are estimated to be around $350,000,000 which is an increase of around $7,900,000 or 2.32%. Food inflation and program participation are the primary factors that contribute to program costs.

  • Fariha Choudhary

    Person

    As an update on caseload, program participation is projected to be stable.

  • Fariha Choudhary

    Person

    CDPH estimates that average monthly participation will increase to 1,006,704 individuals, which is an increase of .11%. And we continue to monitor any changes in participation moving forward. In response to question two on the agenda, according to the most recent data, the WIC program serves 72.4% of eligible Californians. We have the second highest coverage rate of all state WIC Programs. And third nationally behind Puerto Rico and Vermont.

  • Fariha Choudhary

    Person

    In comparison, the national average is 56.1%. In responding to question three regarding an update on the implementation of WIC Online Ordering or shopping. CDPH has been conducting preparatory work and due diligence while we await the WIC Online Shopping federal final rule from USDA.

  • Fariha Choudhary

    Person

    This has included participation in national work groups and consulting with WIC state agencies. In addition to our current technology contractors, it has also entailed looking into the kind of regulatory framework necessary to implement WIC Online Shopping in California.

  • Fariha Choudhary

    Person

    And our prep work is framed with the mind set of making sure that WIC Online Shopping works within California's current varied vendor landscape.

  • Fariha Choudhary

    Person

    Reducing food insecurity and supporting participants having multiple options to get healthy foods across the state and across public health nutrition programs. And then in response to the last question in the agenda, whether CDPH has conducted any analysis to determine how WIC Online Shopping has impacted the availability of brick and mortar vendors for healthy foods in low income communities. So at the national level, a few states have launched pilots with select vendors to demonstrate and test the concept of online shopping in WIC.

  • Fariha Choudhary

    Person

    In fact, the finalization of that federal final rule may be influenced by ongoing analysis of impacts, including impact to the vendor landscape. As a result of those pilots, we are not aware at this time of substantive impacts to brick and mortar vendors as a result of those specific WIC pilots.

  • Fariha Choudhary

    Person

    In California, our analysis and due diligence is tied to what we're hearing around those WIC specific pilots. And we'll be informing our next steps. Those may include the possibility of exploring the possibility of launching one or more pilots in California as well ahead of permanent implementation. And the development of those pilots will allow us to engage with vendors of more than one category along with our state par partners and derive insights and strategies to maintain access in the current vendor landscape.

  • Fariha Choudhary

    Person

    I do want to add that substantive pilot work would ideally happen after the federal final rules are released.

  • Fariha Choudhary

    Person

    And in addition to making online shopping a permanent option, we do have to establish state level regulations. And as part of that larger regulatory process, we are looking forward to hearing from our partners and taking their feedback into account.

  • Caroline Menjivar

    Legislator

    Do we have a timeline on the expected final rules?

  • Fariha Choudhary

    Person

    So the USDA had initially said that the Federal Final Rule was anticipated in February 2026. There is no timeline, that's been communicated after that point.

  • Caroline Menjivar

    Legislator

    Okay. No questions further? I'm open. Thank you. Issue number 18, please.

  • Calandra Park

    Person

    Good morning. Good afternoon. My name is Calandra Park. I am with the Office of Policy and Planning here at the California Department of Public Health and part of the BHSA Planning Team.

  • Calandra Park

    Person

    I am very excited to provide an update on the plan, which is the first item on the agenda. The first question on the agenda. As you may know, the final plan was released about a month ago. And this plan is centered on a statewide population based approach that prioritizes equity and prevention across lifespan.

  • Calandra Park

    Person

    So in order to operationalize these strategies, CDPH is investing in evidence based and community defined practices, regional implementation models, and targeted funding for local health jurisdictions, tribes and community based organization.

  • Calandra Park

    Person

    All the while emphasizing cultural responsiveness, stigma reduction, and integration into existing public health and behavioral health systems. So we wanna leverage the work that's already being done, at this time. So right now here at CDPH, we are currently moving from the planning stage into the implementation stage, which means there's a lot of work happening with a lot of different teams.

  • Calandra Park

    Person

    Some of that includes preparing funding announcements, preparing funding announcements as outlined in the agenda. You'll see you saw some of that in the table that's included.

  • Calandra Park

    Person

    We are working on the process of disseminating information about the implementation work group, which we'll be working alongside CDPH to provide input on the program on implementation. You know, providing feedback on, what's working, what's not working. And also just, helping us continually, refine the strategies, as we're implementing them. There is also a team that is developing a Technical Assistance Hub that will be active online. We want the state to be looked at as a resource and an expert in this space.

  • Calandra Park

    Person

    And so we are trying to consolidate all of that information to make that public, to make that public. We are also continuing to meet with community partners and stakeholders as we've been throughout the entire planning process.

  • Calandra Park

    Person

    That is an ongoing effort and ongoing priority. And of course, we are also developing an evaluation strategy and framework to make sure that we are monitoring the implementation to see what's working, what's not working, best practices, lessons learned, and refining as needed.

  • Calandra Park

    Person

    And all of this has been in lock step with CalHHS. We've been coordinating with them very regularly, at minimum weekly.

  • Calandra Park

    Person

    We also working, we are also working very closely with our sister agency, Department of Healthcare Services. And I would be completely remiss if I did not mention that CDPH is establishing a New Center for Social and Behavioral Health, ultimately to consolidate all the work that is currently happening here at the department already.

  • Calandra Park

    Person

    We also want to take that opportunity to promote behavioral health as a public health priority, which is kind of a paradigm shift right now.

  • Calandra Park

    Person

    This center, this new center will provide the leadership and the coordination and oversight, ensuring alignment of strategies and efficiencies, throughout the work and implementation.

  • Calandra Park

    Person

    We believe that this will also improve coordination across the vast array of existing behavioral health, behavioral health subject matter expertise that is currently kind of housed in different different pay places throughout the department. So our goal is a more centralized, and coordinated structure, and alignment, and strong leadership to guide this work. That's all I have.

  • Caroline Menjivar

    Legislator

    Would you, I just on this part and then we'll turn to you on the second part.

  • Will Owens

    Person

    Oh, okay. On the offset. Yeah.

  • Caroline Menjivar

    Legislator

    Okay.

  • Riley Thompson

    Person

    Good afternoon, Madam chair. Riley Thompson, Department of Finance. Let me pull this a little bit closer. So as you heard from my colleague at the department, they've been engaging in planning for the use of the Behavioral Service Act resources.

  • Riley Thompson

    Person

    This offset proposal does account for that planning. It would leave funding available to the department to implement some of these activities that are outlined in the plan that we've been discussing. This proposed offset does not conflict with the implementation of Proposition 1. The funding will be utilized for population level behavioral health programming. As has been mentioned, we the administration is working to prepare this proposal.

  • Riley Thompson

    Person

    There are two sort of important contextual factors that have characterized the planning thus far in this conversation as a whole. The first is that when we are looking at these incoming revenues, we anticipate that they're going to be volatile.

  • Riley Thompson

    Person

    So with regards to all of the programming that we're discussing, there's a need for it to be flexible and scalable relative to those revenues that may fluctuate annually. The second important contextual factor here is the State deficit.

  • Riley Thompson

    Person

    As we've been discussing, this budget picture as a whole, is an important contextual factor for this offset proposal.

  • Riley Thompson

    Person

    Ultimately, the intention of this offset proposal is to protect and preserve this existing behavioral health programming, that's being supported by general fund within the context of significant deficit the state has to solve for.

  • Caroline Menjivar

    Legislator

    I think just to, you know, I'll wait. Go ahead.

  • Will Owens

    Person

    Yes. So Will Owens with the LAO. So yeah. This is obviously related to a earlier item you heard with, HHI. So, yes, generally, that the understanding is that this estimate includes kind of current activities that the department is already doing that they would believe would qualify under their new responsibilities under the BHSA for population based prevention.

  • Will Owens

    Person

    So the administration has indicated that more information on the specific activities that would be funded by this new revenue would be available at May revision. So at this time, our office is waiting until that specific proposal is out with the specific programming to do a full analysis of that offset.

  • Will Owens

    Person

    But just echoing some of my comment other comments from my colleague earlier. Some of those same considerations apply, but available for questions.

  • Caroline Menjivar

    Legislator

    Yeah. Definitely copy and paste my comments as well. But I just want to confirm I heard because this is $50,000,000 up to $184,000,000. $130,000,000 remain and you were saying that of because $130,000,000 remain, what Miss Park mentioned it's still gonna go as planned because there's enough funding to do everything that you've mentioned?

  • Riley Thompson

    Person

    So the budget includes a $184,500,000 in projected Behavioral Health Service Act Revenues for that will be allocated to the Department of Public Health. If we take a look at that initial planning document, it estimates use of approximately $134,500,000 in funding. So that $50,000,000 is essentially the difference.

  • Caroline Menjivar

    Legislator

    So there is like a $130,000,000 that are that's enough to cover everything you've mentioned is what you were trying to say that it's not gonna impact the programming?

  • Riley Thompson

    Person

    Yes, so that. So the offset was assessed sort of within the context of the planning that has taken place so far. I think the only thing I would emphasize

  • Riley Thompson

    Person

    Is just that it's sort of an initial planning document that has been, put together by the department. So to the extent that, you know, there's any sort of specific proposals that come forth from that was kind of later.

  • Caroline Menjivar

    Legislator

    Yeah. That's right. And that's the details we don't have. This is the initial.

  • Caroline Menjivar

    Legislator

    We don't have the details here on the actual programming. And you said something explained the $50,000,000 are still going to be used for?

  • Riley Thompson

    Person

    Correct. So the offset proposal exists within the context and qualifications of Proposition 1. The funding will be utilized for existing behavioral health programming that meets the qualification.

  • Caroline Menjivar

    Legislator

    So no anything on that details yet? okay. Going to the initial draft of it. I see the categories of, the categories for investment and substance use disorder prevention programs being one of them. Tobacco use gonna be considered under substance use disorder.

  • Caroline Menjivar

    Legislator

    I don't know if it gets clear if it gets elevated to that level just because of the increasing youth usage of vapes, nicotine and so forth.

  • Calandra Park

    Person

    So there the food population is a priority population. Tobacco in particular is a separate center that will be or office that will be absorbed and part of the complimentary work at the Center for Social and Behavioral Health. So there will be some synergy, but in the final plan, tobacco is I don't think is explicitly called out but-

  • Caroline Menjivar

    Legislator

    It's going to be worked under a different plan?

  • Calandra Park

    Person

    Not under a different plan but within the Center of Social and Behavioral Health. So it will be in tandem and in alignment with like with the rest of the work.

  • Caroline Menjivar

    Legislator

    Just to flag anecdotally. Right? A lot of these, you know, I don't have data to turn to on this. But anecdotally, we're hearing the young girls are using Zyn, the pouches to control their hunger directly connected to behavioral health there. That's I feel like that's a synergy there.

  • Caroline Menjivar

    Legislator

    And given just the increase, I'm just wondering if as you're doing the planning, if there's opportunity to tap into assisting in that space.

  • Calandra Park

    Person

    Yeah. Absolutely. So I only answered the first question on the agenda there. So I'll kinda go into the second question, but absolutely there would be there's opportunity and priority to address emerging issues such as this and there are other. There are many new emerging substances that we are tracking. So let me just go back to the second question here about funding structure.

  • Calandra Park

    Person

    How is the funding structure between statewide entities and initiatives and funding for local assistance for community based organizations and other local entities?

  • Calandra Park

    Person

    So because CDPH's focus is the population as a whole, you know our priority is to invest in statewide initiatives, statewide reach, and prioritizing building the state capacity. The six components as you see here are I'll just list them once again. Our Policy Initiatives, and this is kind of where we would be able to address and respond to emerging issues.

  • Calandra Park

    Person

    Statewide Prevention Strategies, Awareness Campaigns, Training and Technical Assistance, Community Engagement, and Coalition Building, and Data and Evaluation.

  • Calandra Park

    Person

    So those are the six statewide strategies that we are maintaining and supporting here at the state level. And also, you know the all of our work is undergirded by being compliant with statute, of course. And so just to reiterate for today, the statute, you know, dictates that we benefit benefit the entire population of the state, county, or particular community that we serve identified populations at elevated risk for a mental health or substance use disorder and prevent suicide, self harm, and overdose.

  • Calandra Park

    Person

    So with that, this is sort of how we develop the strategies in tandem and in full collaboration with the public. We had two rounds of public comment.

  • Calandra Park

    Person

    We had two formal tribal consultations. We have one more next week. And so we've engaged with a lot of partners one on one as well. And, had a lot of discussions around what's working, what's not, and what the needs are. So that's at the statewide level, but we know California is a is a vast diverse state.

  • Calandra Park

    Person

    You know, diverse ethnically, population wise, geographically. The needs are all different, all over. So we know that we need local strategies to complement the statewide strategies. So the local strategies are strategies are intended to address those unique needs and disparities, in particular for the historically marginalized communities and vulnerable communities. So funding for local assistance is intended to enhance that reach and amplify the work that's happening at the state level.

  • Calandra Park

    Person

    So we wanna target those communities that are particular in a certain region, that you know, may not necessarily benefit very directly from the state level approaches. So by doing this, we hope that we're expanding the capacity, building the capacity of our local partners, creating local systems change, allowing them to be more culturally responsive and work on community driven and community informed strategies.

  • Calandra Park

    Person

    And again, building that capacity at the community level and just encouraging that local level collaboration and alignment with the statewide work.

  • Calandra Park

    Person

    The local assistance strategies are, and these are some of the ones that are listed here in the agenda. The community defined evidence based practices, Trusted Messenger campaigns, the Regional Policy, and Regional Implementation.

  • Calandra Park

    Person

    So again, that also provides opportunity for to respond to emerging needs. The tribal program, training and technical assistance, program to fund all 61 local health jurisdictions throughout the state, as well as a 988 outreach campaign.

  • Calandra Park

    Person

    And just to drill down just a little bit if this is of interest, in the first fiscal year, the breakdown between state and local funding is 52% at the state level, 48% local.

  • Calandra Park

    Person

    And then in the second and third out years, if the proportion flips and the majority of the funding does go to local at 56% with the remainder at the state.

  • Caroline Menjivar

    Legislator

    Thank you so much. Thank you, good.

  • Caroline Menjivar

    Legislator

    And we'll hold issue 18 open, move on to issue 19.

  • Mandi Posner

    Person

    Alright. Hi. Good afternoon. I'm Mandi Posner. I'm the Deputy Director for the Center for Healthcare Quality.

  • Mandi Posner

    Person

    With me is Chelsea Driscoll, as well as Michelle Bell. And nice to see you, Senator Menjivar and Scott as well. We've been asked to provide an overview of five proposals. So we'll be doing that today. And I know Melissa Rellis is also here to speak to the second proposal.

  • Caroline Menjivar

    Legislator

    Okay.

  • Mandi Posner

    Person

    So we'll just dive in. The first is the Field Operations Strike Team for the Center for Healthcare Quality. The Governor's budget reflects an increase of six positions and $1,500,000 in state operations expenditure authority from the State Department of Public Health Licensing and certification program fund to establish a dedicated strike team to address priority survey and investigation workload.

  • Mandi Posner

    Person

    We're requesting 1 Health Facility Evaluator Supervisor, 3 Nurse Surveyors, and 2 Health Facility Compliance Surveyors. To establish a specialized strike team.

  • Mandi Posner

    Person

    The strike team will be located in Sacramento, where CBPH is successfully able to fill open positions and rapidly deploy to high needs areas throughout the state. Allowing for timely response to facilities impacted by internal, local, and regional, regional emergencies.

  • Mandi Posner

    Person

    Additionally, the strike team will assist district offices across the state by providing support to complete their priority workload, especially the reduction and elimination of backlog intakes and increasing access to care by conducting overdue licensure surveys.

  • Caroline Menjivar

    Legislator

    Mo, do you have anything? I have a curve ball, but I don't know if you ladies are the right people to ask.

  • Calandra Park

    Person

    Go for it.

  • Caroline Menjivar

    Legislator

    Just because you were here last time for the other regs. But I'm wondering I have a if you're the right person for the hospice emergency regs.

  • Mandi Posner

    Person

    Certainly.

  • Caroline Menjivar

    Legislator

    That you can give me an update on that that was due in January.

  • Mandi Posner

    Person

    Of course. Do you wanna take that chance?

  • Mandi Posner

    Person

    Okay.

  • Chelsea Driscoll

    Person

    Yes.

  • Chelsea Driscoll

    Person

    So we, posted the regulations for notice to let people comment on them. And we received some feedback that we needed to take back and do some revision work on. So we have been revising and updating those regs. And we plan to resubmit them to the Office of Administrative Law in this spring. So I don't have a specific date for you right now.

  • Caroline Menjivar

    Legislator

    So if we still have to submit it to another entity and still wait for their feedback. Once that feedback happens, do we have to go back to the stakeholders and get input on that revised?

  • Chelsea Driscoll

    Person

    So we are gonna post them again before we submit it to the Office of Administrative Law. So we have to post them for five days. And then after that, we submit them to the Office of Administrative Law. They have their review period.

  • Chelsea Driscoll

    Person

    And then they would be posted on their site. And then they would take effect five days after that. So people have seen the regs. They kind of know what we're expecting from them. So they can start ramping up to get ready for that.

  • Caroline Menjivar

    Legislator

    Is there anything we're doing systemically just to be able to, get some of these regs out sooner? And I mean, it's always like really I was gonna cuss. It was really really weird situation. Like there's always shitty situations that are occurring around, the reg timeline. So I, how can we prevent so that we can have regs out in time before a situation occurs?

  • Chelsea Driscoll

    Person

    I think part of the issue is resources. So we, last year we had a budget change proposal where we got some additional resources. So once we have all of those positions filled, and we have more bandwidth to do the regulations faster, I think that will go a long way, to get us where we need to be. So we're looking at where there are high risk areas that we need to prioritize. And so, we know that we have hospice that we have been working on.

  • Chelsea Driscoll

    Person

    APH obviously, as well. So those are both emergency packages that we have been highly focused on. But we are looking at other areas where we think that there may be potential concerns by monitoring our data and things of that nature. So that we're able to get ahead of it going forward.

  • Caroline Menjivar

    Legislator

    Now, should I wait for the Director? I'd love, I'd love a bit more feedback on what happened this week, particularly because it was in my district. I can wait to have the director. If there is anything that you're able to share with me on.

  • Mandi Posner

    Person

    So we can share a little bit. We did initiate some complaint investigations under our state authority earlier this week in LA County. We visited several hospice and home health agencies. And we have some ongoing enforcement actions at this time.

  • Mandi Posner

    Person

    So those investigations are still open. We'd be happy to provide you with a full report. Once those have concluded.

  • Caroline Menjivar

    Legislator

    I definitely would be interested in the amount that were located in my district in Van Nuys in particular. There was some viral attention to that area. I'd also love to see the connection of these regulations and from that, how we can prevent some of these moving forward. And then the breakdown of percentage versus state violations and federal violations. Most recognizing that a lot of the payments come are Medicare payments.

  • Caroline Menjivar

    Legislator

    So that's the federal oversight. Just to see the balance on that. And then the moratorium that exists right now, when does that expire?

  • Chelsea Driscoll

    Person

    In January 2027.

  • Caroline Menjivar

    Legislator

    Okay. So it's six months almost. We, Is your intent to extend that moratorium a little longer given this, you know, just recent incidents? Or are we gonna be lifting that up?

  • Chelsea Driscoll

    Person

    So I think an important factor to have in mind is related to the moratorium is that after the regulations are in place, we're still gonna have the threshold where the entity will need to establish an unmet need in the area. So it's not gonna explode the second the moratorium is lifted. We have safeguards put in that will keep the number of hospices to where it's going to be right sized.

  • Caroline Menjivar

    Legislator

    Okay. And, I apologize. I don't know why I'm giving a little air to this question. But how many codes can you charge for in this hospice, in this world, in this billing world? Like is it a laundry list of things you can charge for under hospice? Is this more short list?

  • Mandi Posner

    Person

    So I'll just say that that question is probably not to put it off to Department of Healthcare Services. They can

  • Caroline Menjivar

    Legislator

    Yeah. I know it's a joint thing

  • Mandi Posner

    Person

    So we're not familiar. There are several codes though.

  • Caroline Menjivar

    Legislator

    Have we seen that there's a need to get more hospice up and running a license?

  • Chelsea Driscoll

    Person

    Definitely not in Los Angeles County. We have, sort of a data and a seismic map that we or not a seismic map. A map that shows where all of the entities are located in the state. And so when we know that there's a high concentration of hospices in a particular area. We know that is not a county where we are going to allow a new hospice to start. There are places that may be in a rural area that may have a broader need.

  • Chelsea Driscoll

    Person

    And so in that case, we would potentially allow them to open.

  • Caroline Menjivar

    Legislator

    Okay. And in the emergency recs, I and you know, I apologize. I haven't seen that the draft was posted and I'll make sure to get a copy of it. But does it talk about is it on how to get licensed? The requirements to get licensed?

  • Caroline Menjivar

    Legislator

    And then also on how to stay licensed?

  • Chelsea Driscoll

    Person

    So the regulations talk a lot about the application process when application is required. The documentation that needs to be submitted. The way that, an applicant would need to justify that there's a need in the community they intend to serve. We also have things in there around nurse to patient ratios, we have requirements about your office space.

  • Chelsea Driscoll

    Person

    I know that was one of the sort of questions that had come up. And so they will have to have exclusive use of their office space. They will have to have certain components that are required to be present. So they have to be able to store medical records securely, have equipment and supplies, and really establish they are legitimate business office.

  • Chelsea Driscoll

    Person

    As well as some care planning requirements, patient assessments, and things of that nature. So it covers both sort of the administrative piece, as well as some of the care components.

  • Caroline Menjivar

    Legislator

    So DHS is more on the billing side. You're the licensing. Who's more on the enforcement side?

  • Mandi Posner

    Person

    That would be at us, our shop, CDPH.

  • Caroline Menjivar

    Legislator

    Okay. How do you flag? What are the, how do you flag that there's potential, there's potentially fraud happening? So what are the thing. Yeah.

  • Mandi Posner

    Person

    Yeah. You may have some to add. But, sometimes we'll receive complaints. It'll come in the form of complaints where there's indicators of fraud. Also, it's through some of our ongoing surveys, for example, we will come across indicators of fraud on-site.

  • Mandi Posner

    Person

    But oftentimes, we receive complaints and that would result in us making an on-site visit to investigate.

  • Caroline Menjivar

    Legislator

    And have we been investigating like I mean, it's not like this week we just we knew of these things just this week.

  • Mandi Posner

    Person

    Correct. Yes. No. This is part of our ongoing work. We're regularly investigating complaints in all facility types that we license and certify.

  • Caroline Menjivar

    Legislator

    Okay. Are you able to share, you know, the awareness that the department had of the of certain facilities that were potentially committing fraud? How long the department knew or has been working on it?

  • Mandi Posner

    Person

    I think that we would need to take that back. And provide that to you in writing.

  • Caroline Menjivar

    Legislator

    Okay. Thank you. Again, I'll hold the item up and move on to issue number 20.

  • Melissa Relles

    Person

    Hello. Melissa Relles, the Assistant Deputy Director for our Center for Preparedness and Response. Good afternoon, Madam chair and member. So CDPH is requesting $2,400,000 in State Department of Public Health Licensing and CERT Program Fund, and the Internal Department Quality Improvement Account for '26-'27, and '27-'28. And then $2,500,000 beginning in '28-'29 and ongoing.

  • Melissa Relles

    Person

    And that's assuming that all remaining hospitals are onboarded. And that would be our ongoing cost. So the Hospital Bed and Emergency Medical Services Data System, referred to as HBEDS will give CDPH access to real time monitoring data of hospital bed capacity in order to facilitate timely transfers and placements of patients and support response operations during public health and medical emergencies.

  • Melissa Relles

    Person

    The system will provide near real time bed capacity information supporting response operations for state and local public health, health care, and emergency response officials.

  • Melissa Relles

    Person

    So currently, we have some GACHs, General Acute Care Hospitals already onboarded. So we need to, onboard the remaining 329.

  • Caroline Menjivar

    Legislator

    What did you call them? I haven't heard that afternoon.

  • Melissa Relles

    Person

    General Acute Care Hospitals. But I said GACH's.

  • Caroline Menjivar

    Legislator

    I was like is that a thing?

  • Melissa Relles

    Person

    Yes.

  • Caroline Menjivar

    Legislator

    Oh, It is. No one's ever

  • Chelsea Driscoll

    Person

    There you go.

  • Melissa Relles

    Person

    GACH's. So that's the goal is to onboard the the remainder and have all 389 onboarded.

  • Caroline Menjivar

    Legislator

    What?

  • Melissa Relles

    Person

    And then cover annual software subscription fees for real time hospital bed capacity data and support a COVID flu RSB module.

  • Caroline Menjivar

    Legislator

    You said assuming there are all hospitals are onboarded. Is there potential that they won't all be onboarded?

  • Melissa Relles

    Person

    No. The goal is to have them all onboarded. But we're, in the process of a competitive solicitation for a vendor.

  • Caroline Menjivar

    Legislator

    Anything to add on this? Okay. No questions further? Hold the item up and move on to issue 21.

  • Caroline Menjivar

    Legislator

    Thank you. Thanks. GACH's. I'm gonna use it.

  • Caroline Menjivar

    Legislator

    It's like a Lorax.

  • Mandi Posner

    Person

    We've got all sorts of interesting acronyms in CBPH. Would you like us to.

  • Caroline Menjivar

    Legislator

    And then someone will come for PCP to change the name.

  • Mandi Posner

    Person

    Oh, really? I would say that. You want us to dive into the next item?

  • Caroline Menjivar

    Legislator

    Yes, please.

  • Mandi Posner

    Person

    So it's the Centralized Application Branch License Renewal and Certification Branch Expansion. The Governor's budget reflects an increase of seven positions, $493,000 in reimbursement authority, and $493,000 in expenditure authority from the licensing and certification fund to create a provider certification section and a provider certification unit to support licensing renewals and certifications.

  • Mandi Posner

    Person

    So CDPH reviews provider MediCal enrollment requests. And this new unit will address resources to reduce backlog, improve timeliness, and strengthen oversight with additional managers and analysts.

  • Mandi Posner

    Person

    The application backlog for MediCal certification request has increased from 380 in '22-'23 to approximately 2,244 in fiscal year '25-'26 which is a 490% increase.

  • Mandi Posner

    Person

    Work in the new section is eligible for a 50% reimbursement via DHCS Interagency agreement.

  • Caroline Menjivar

    Legislator

    Anything to add on this?

  • Caroline Menjivar

    Legislator

    I have no questions on this issue. We're gonna hold the item up and move on to issue number 22.

  • Michelle Bell

    Person

    Michelle Bell, Department of Public Health. Okay. So the Governor's budget reflects an increase of $5,000,000 local assistance expenditure authority from the federal health facilities citation penalty account towards civil money penalty funding to CMS approved projects to benefit nursing home residents.

  • Michelle Bell

    Person

    A portion of these CMP funds collected from nursing homes are returned back to the states in which CMPs are imposed. And then the State CMP funds may be reinvested to support CMS approved activities that protect or improve the quality of life of nursing home residents.

  • Michelle Bell

    Person

    Let's see. Since'18-'19, we've seen a significant rise in approved project applications. We are projecting that we'll receive 12 in fiscal year '25-'26. And in the last several years, we've received about 21. This increase in applications will lead to an increase in the number of approved projects and thus the need for increased expenditure authority.

  • Michelle Bell

    Person

    Current pending projects include two contracts totaling $1,900,000 for '25-'26 and '26-'27, plus $296,000 in '26-'27, which could further increase expenditures. And without this requested $5,000,000 increase the authority will drop to a baseline of $575,000, which would prevent CDPH from approving new contracts or paying for existing multi year agreements.

  • Michelle Bell

    Person

    CPH is actively updating its website with CMP information and sending out all facility letters to encourage applications, which lead that leads us to anticipate continued high application volumes in the future.

  • Caroline Menjivar

    Legislator

    What are the two contracts going to be doing?

  • Caroline Menjivar

    Legislator

    And then the other one, I see a list of programs that have been funded in the past. Does the money go to further continue those programs or is it for new programs?

  • Michelle Bell

    Person

    They're for new. So generally, these are about three years. And then they close out and if they wish to continue, they need to reapply.

  • Caroline Menjivar

    Legislator

    Okay. What kind of programs exist under this funding?

  • Michelle Bell

    Person

    So it's things like supporting gardening activities in nursing homes. Or even devices enabling residents to, with dementia to better communicate with family members. It's a really wide range. Which is why I was struggling a lot to answer that last question. But I can get that to you.

  • Caroline Menjivar

    Legislator

    Okay. Alright. Will any enough? Okay. No other questions?

  • Caroline Menjivar

    Legislator

    Next item? open. Yep. Issue number 23.

  • Michelle Bell

    Person

    Internal Department Quality Improvement. So the Governor's budget reflects an increase in $5,900,000 in state operations expenditure authority from the Internal Department Quality Improvement account. And this would support planning and implementation costs of the centralized applications branch or CAB online licensing application project.

  • Michelle Bell

    Person

    The CAB Online Project will refresh and expand CAB's original automated license application system to all 33 health care facility types, rather than the two that it currently serves.

  • Michelle Bell

    Person

    With flexibility to add new types in the future. This system will integrate with other CHTQ systems, including ELMs, and allow facilities to pay licensing fees electronically instead of by paper check. CDPH plans to migrate existing applications by Q2 of 2026 to technology that's supported by our IT division and also aligns with our future of public health technology strategy and the current AEM software is outdated.

  • Michelle Bell

    Person

    An integration of the online system with ELMs will streamline workflows, reduce manual steps, and improves provider satisfaction through seamless submissions.

  • Michelle Bell

    Person

    Currently, the project is in stage four of the PAL process and the implementation start is delayed from July 2025 to August 2026.

  • Michelle Bell

    Person

    But we expect high user support needs in that beginning stage as we, support facilities in adopting the system. CHQ is requesting two limited turn ITS two positions, a software engineer and a business analyst, and assistance from existing staff in order to support implementation and maintenance for 33 facility types and 30,000 external users.

  • Michelle Bell

    Person

    Automating these submissions will greatly reduce correction times of going back and forth, speed approvals, and improve compliance. And if a centralized application branch will run reports at three, six, and twelve months post implementation to measure progress.

  • Caroline Menjivar

    Legislator

    No questions on this but, can you also give me an update on the, I know there's a pause in the psych regs for implementation. When does that go into effect officially? Past the pause?

  • Chelsea Driscoll

    Person

    So there, well the regulations are going to be effective, June 1 of this year.

  • Caroline Menjivar

    Legislator

    And it was a pause just to give more time, not to change the regulations. Just to give more time to implement them.

  • Chelsea Driscoll

    Person

    I think there. There are some minor modifications. Generally, policy wise. I think we're consistent. We're just making some minor clarifications. And it was really to provide the time for facilities to ramp up and get staffed.

  • Caroline Menjivar

    Legislator

    Yeah. It was a staffing part. All right. Thank you. Can you hold the item open and move on to issue number 24?

  • Michelle Bell

    Person

    Thank you.

  • Caroline Menjivar

    Legislator

    Thank you.

  • Monica Nelson

    Person

    Good afternoon. Hi.

  • Caroline Menjivar

    Legislator

    No. Not yet.

  • Monica Nelson

    Person

    Is it there?

  • Caroline Menjivar

    Legislator

    Yes. I can hear you. Can you hear me okay?

  • Monica Nelson

    Person

    Thank you. Good afternoon. Monica Nelson from Center for Environmental Health, Assistant Deputy Director. And with me, I have Doctor Weintraub, Deputy Director for the center as well. And we'll be covering their, BCP for their Radiologic Health Program. CDPH requests $4,600,000 from the radiation control fund in '26-'27, and ongoing to support increased operational costs for the Radiological Health branch.

  • Monica Nelson

    Person

    This proposal addresses inflation driven cost increases and obligations that the branch can no longer absorb with its current expenditure authority.

  • Monica Nelson

    Person

    The branch licenses and inspects radioactive material users, registers and inspects x-ray facilities, certifies medical professionals, and maintains compliance with the California's agreement with the US Nuclear Regulatory Commission and the Food and Drug Administration.

  • Monica Nelson

    Person

    The requested funding will cover contract cost for account inspections, equipment maintenance, personal radiation monitoring, remote monitoring, printing mailing, and database support for the licensing of medical professionals and registration of medical facilities. It would also cover personal cost to fill vacancies and reduce backlogs.

  • Monica Nelson

    Person

    The proposed increase in expenditure authority is necessary to sustain essential operations and maintain compliance with statutory requirements. This also ensures timely certification of radiation professionals and it reduces regulatory burdens on businesses and safeguards public and worker health.

  • Monica Nelson

    Person

    Would you like me to go straight into the question?

  • Monica Nelson

    Person

    Regarding the question on current licensing fee structure and what it's gonna look like in the future. Our current fee structure, it does have, it spans over 50 categories, anywhere from X-ray facility registration, technology certifications, radioactive material licensings, mammography, inspections, and other related renewals.

  • Monica Nelson

    Person

    But when looking at the future fee structure, the branch would apply at 20.3 across the board increase to all current fees. This percentage is the amount needed to bridge the gap between the current resources and the operational needs while keeping the fund solvent.

  • Monica Nelson

    Person

    However, because there are actually enough funds right now in the reserves, these increases will not be implemented until fiscal year '27-'28.

  • Monica Nelson

    Person

    And of course, a detailed table showing the current fee levels and the proposed increase, with the adjuster figures can be available to you via email after this hearing.

  • Caroline Menjivar

    Legislator

    On how much would be the increase? Like what does 20.3 mean?

  • Monica Nelson

    Person

    Correct.

  • Caroline Menjivar

    Legislator

    Is that what you mean?

  • Monica Nelson

    Person

    You would like a comparison of current versus what it would look like.

  • Caroline Menjivar

    Legislator

    I did. I actually wanted to know how much should they pay right now?

  • Monica Nelson

    Person

    So for example, I can give so like an annual renewal for a

  • Caroline Menjivar

    Legislator

    It's because there was a lot of different ones, right?

  • Monica Nelson

    Person

    Yes. There's so many. But I did have a couple here like, a mammography one. So it's currently $421.

  • Caroline Menjivar

    Legislator

    How much?

  • Monica Nelson

    Person

    $421 It will come up to $506. X-ray inspection for the supervisors or the operators, it's a $123. It will go to $156.

  • Monica Nelson

    Person

    Would you like a couple more?

  • Caroline Menjivar

    Legislator

    But no one's gotten an increase since 2017?

  • Monica Nelson

    Person

    That is correct.

  • Monica Nelson

    Person

    And there was minor opposition back then with increases. So this will be the first increase in a really long time.

  • Caroline Menjivar

    Legislator

    I don't know if you know this answer, but that's nine years, will be ten years because it'll be implemented '27-'28 since a fee increase, annual fee, annual license fee increase. Is this common for other licensees or have they been able to escape an increase?

  • Monica Nelson

    Person

    I will say it depends. It is different for different areas. But in this specific one, they were just bearing. Our team was having to stretch the dollar as much as they could and also try to pass the savings to our customers. In this case, it's just time to increase it.

  • Caroline Menjivar

    Legislator

    I got an email recently in my office, not on this profession but a different profession that their annual fee increase had just jumped up dramatically. And I was like, let me investigate who did that? And I voted for it. So, I was like, me.

  • Caroline Menjivar

    Legislator

    That was my fault. But I'm wondering because his questions were like, why didn't it increase and so forth. When these happen, are they notified for the reasoning as to the increase or this just

  • June Weintraub

    Person

    And we're constrained by when we're allowed to even ask for an increase. So it's based on the condition of the fund. So we can't ask for one just

  • Caroline Menjivar

    Legislator

    Just because you want more reserves.

  • June Weintraub

    Person

    Exactly.

  • Caroline Menjivar

    Legislator

    Okay. And how long do you think the fund will be will be stabilized with this 20.3% increase?

  • Monica Nelson

    Person

    I may have to get back to you with that one.

  • Caroline Menjivar

    Legislator

    Okay, yeah. I just want to know if we're entering a period where we're gonna have to do more ongoing.

  • Riley Thompson

    Person

    I can jump in Riley Thompson, Department of Finance. So obviously, it's context dependent, you know if there's additional activities that need to be done utilizing this funding over the next couple years. But we are anticipating that once accounting for this fee increase, that we're going to see expenditures that are lower than our total annual revenues. So they'll be relatively balanced once accounting for this fee increase.

  • Caroline Menjivar

    Legislator

    Okay. So with this fee increase, it leaves a little bit of room for flexibility.

  • June Weintraub

    Person

    And as we, modernize our data systems, we'll also be able to start collecting some of the fees from people who've missed out on being properly licensed. So that's one of the benefits of

  • Caroline Menjivar

    Legislator

    What do you mean they're practicing without being licensed?

  • June Weintraub

    Person

    There when there's facilities that slip through the cracks, we'll be able to find them more easily.

  • Caroline Menjivar

    Legislator

    So are they practicing without our license?

  • Caroline Menjivar

    Legislator

    Are they practicing without our license if they're slipping through the cracks?

  • June Weintraub

    Person

    Sorry?

  • June Weintraub

    Person

    Not that we know of. Once if we ever know of anything, we definitely find out.

  • Caroline Menjivar

    Legislator

    I guess I don't understand how there's what do you mean they're slipping through the cracks? What are they doing?

  • Monica Nelson

    Person

    The accounts receivables?

  • June Weintraub

    Person

    Yes. That's it.

  • Monica Nelson

    Person

    I think she's talking about the past due license renewals. Sometimes what happens is when we mail renewals to a certain location, the contact change or something happens. So they're

  • Monica Nelson

    Person

    There it's for accounts receivables. We wanna help also. That will help us increase the revenues as well because we will be able to step more on top of those past due payments.

  • Caroline Menjivar

    Legislator

    People have not paid their life status.

  • June Weintraub

    Person

    Correct.

  • Caroline Menjivar

    Legislator

    But it's not enough to cover what is needed. You still need we still have to chase the people to actually pay and also do an increase. Right?

  • June Weintraub

    Person

    Correct.

  • Caroline Menjivar

    Legislator

    Anything else? No? Okay. Thank you so much. Hold the item open.

  • Caroline Menjivar

    Legislator

    Move on to issue 25.

  • Monica Nelson

    Person

    Thank you.

  • Maria Ochoa

    Person

    Am I on? Yes. Good afternoon. Maria Ochoa, one of the Assistant Deputy Directors in Center for Healthy Communities. And, we have the first two legislative BCPs. The first one

  • Caroline Menjivar

    Legislator

    You don't have to explain the first one. It's my bill. It's totally Oh. I just have a question on it. Okay.

  • Caroline Menjivar

    Legislator

    I know what I've asked the department to do, but the only one I just need clarity is on the one to review medical records to confirm the cases. If these are cases that are they're diagnosed in the hospital and it's on their records, why do we need to double confirm that it is in fact silicosis?

  • Maria Ochoa

    Person

    I'll turn it over to my colleague. Okay. Thanks.

  • Unidentified Speaker

    Person

    Hi there. So when we receive the records from the hospitalization discharge or emergency department data, it has the ICD 10 code diagnosis as you just indicated. But we may not know their occupational history at that point and whether or not they're confirmed engineered stone silicosis case. So in addition to the diagnosis of silicosis, we wanna make sure that they're actually having an occupational history.

  • Caroline Menjivar

    Legislator

    To be able to connect it to this correlation. Countertop fabric. Got it. Okay. We can move on to the next, Bill.

  • Maria Ochoa

    Person

    Okay. The next one is for SB 1264. The Real Food Healthy Kids Act.

  • Caroline Menjivar

    Legislator

    Sorry, I lied. I have another question. I was Where is it? I was looking at the report that CDPH had come out with. And as we're doing this, I just wanna make sure the the mindset of CDPH isn't that this is a hopeless thing.

  • Caroline Menjivar

    Legislator

    The reason why I got that is because, in the report from CDPH, it it talks Controlling exposures to levels low enough to prevent disease is technically challenging and costly, thus rarely feasible. I look at that as we won't be able to accomplish much of this space. That leaves room for, or it what is the incentive if CDPH feels like it's really not feasible to really do anything in this space.

  • Caroline Menjivar

    Legislator

    So I just wanna make sure as we're looking at this, this there isn't a mindset of like, we're not gonna get we're not gonna be successful anyways.

  • Unidentified Speaker

    Person

    No. We don't we don't believe that. We obviously really are trying to put a lot of effort into outreach and education and prevention and working with both employers and workers so that they know their rights and also closely collaborating with Cal OSHA. Okay.

  • Caroline Menjivar

    Legislator

    I just wanted to make sure it was Yeah. No. We are Reassurance in that space. Okay. Okay.

  • Maria Ochoa

    Person

    So CDPH requests 3,600,000.0 in 2627, 2,600,000.0 in 2728, and 2,600,000.0 in 2829 from the general fund to implement the provisions of AB 1264, which establishes the Real Foods Healthy Kids Act, or as we refer to it as the act, which regulates and monitors ultra processed and other foods of concern served within California schools.

  • Maria Ochoa

    Person

    CDPH also requests provisional language for funding received in twenty six six twenty seven to extend encumbrance or expenditure authority through 06/30/2028 and to make 1,020,000 of the funding for the implementation and consulting contract costs available upon approval of PAL stage four. This request includes funding for staffing support for approximately nine to 11 positions in the next one to two years to complete the expected outcomes of this BCP.

  • Maria Ochoa

    Person

    The act creates a legal definition for ultra processed foods and requires CDPH to adopt regulations to define ultra processed foods of concern and restricted school foods by 06/01/2028. The purpose is to reduce consumption of ultra processed foods of concern in schools and create healthier eating environments for California students.

  • Maria Ochoa

    Person

    CDPH will develop and operate a data system that supports school food vendor reporting by 01/01/2028, and vendors are required to report beginning 02/01/2028. Schools are required to phase out ultra processed foods of concern and restricted food beginning in 2029, and vendors cannot sell to schools after 07/01/2032. And those foods can no longer be served or sold in schools after 2035. CDPH is required to provide training and technical assistance to school food professionals and school food vendors and annually report on progress to the legislature.

  • Maria Ochoa

    Person

    The next one is the next group.

  • Maria Ochoa

    Person

    Okay. Thank you.

  • Caroline Menjivar

    Legislator

    Okay. Thank you.

  • Romeo Amian

    Person

    Hello, Madam Chair, committee members. Romeo Amian, Deputy Director for the Vital Records and Statistics Division, which is formally known as the Center for Health Statistics and Informatics. Senate Bill 313 requires the California Department of Public Health to remove parents' birthplace details from the public section of the birth certificate and list the information into the confidential section of the birth certificate.

  • Romeo Amian

    Person

    To comply with SB 313, CDPH is requesting one position and they increase it of expenditure authority of 258,000 in fiscal year twenty six, twenty seven, and 163,000 in fiscal year twenty seven, twenty eight, and ongoing from the health statistics special fund. 95 ks of those funds will be used to upgrade the California integrated vital record system or the e electronic birth, registration system.

  • Caroline Menjivar

    Legislator

    Okay. That clarified a lot because I was like, wait. I can give you my intern to cut and paste this word somewhere else. Because I was like, why do we need so much money to literally cut and paste somewhere else? But $95.95000 is to just modernize the whole system as well.

  • Romeo Amian

    Person

    Just for this particular item.

  • Caroline Menjivar

    Legislator

    Okay. Okay. I still think we don't need an extra person. I just felt like this Unless I'm missing something, I'm literally just moving stuff around.

  • Romeo Amian

    Person

    There's also work that has to do with forms and updating the different forms because we are still manual.

  • Caroline Menjivar

    Legislator

    Okay.

  • Romeo Amian

    Person

    This is just for the registration system itself and there's other training materials. We'll call them auxiliary systems for the data to make sure that they are quality assurance is, you know, taken care of.

  • Caroline Menjivar

    Legislator

    Okay. So a little bit more than that.

  • Caroline Menjivar

    Legislator

    Okay. Do you have anything added to this?

  • Romeo Amian

    Person

    Yes.

  • Will Owens

    Person

    No. And I'll just note that, nothing to add but available for questions for the remainder of the chapter.

  • Caroline Menjivar

    Legislator

    Okay. Perfect. That one turn to you. Next one. Stop.

  • Caroline Menjivar

    Legislator

    Okay. Who who's doing six for six? For the next remaining, I don't have any questions so if you, we can go as fast as we want.

  • Monica Nelson

    Person

    Alright. Good afternoon again. Sounds like a plan. For SB 646, CDPH requests one position and 173 thousand from the general fund in2026, 27, and ongoing to implement the new provisions mandated by Senate Bill, which introduces heavy metal testing and disclosure requirements for prenatal multivitamins. Effective 01/01/2027, manufacturers of prenatal multivitamins must test products for arsenic, cadmium, lead, and mercury, and publicly disclose those results online, including a link to the FDA's latest guidance.

  • Monica Nelson

    Person

    SB646 gives CDPH new responsibilities, including conducting inspections and reinspections of manufacturers and distributors, investigating complaints, and pursuing enforcement actions such as recalls and embargoes, reviewing labels and records to confirm compliance and disclosure requirements, as well as providing technical assistance and educational materials to industry stakeholders. CDPH also collaborates with FDA to uphold federal standards and good manufacturing practices. This specific request is for one environmental scientist who will conduct inspections, verify compliance, respond to inquiries, and provide guidance to helpful industry stakeholders, meet new requirements, and resolve complaints.

  • Monica Nelson

    Person

    Now moving on to AB 660, CDPH requests to positions 369,000 from the food safety fund in twenty twenty six, twenty seven, and ongoing to implement the new provisions mandated by this by the bill. Effective 07/01/2026, food labels must display best of use by for quality and use by for safety.

  • Monica Nelson

    Person

    Replacing terms like sell by or other terms will help reduce food waste, benefit consumer health, and prevent misleading labelling. AB 660 gives CDPH new responsibilities such as creating educational materials to help industry comply with regulations, conduct timely inspections to ensure food safety and labeling standards are met, and verifying the corrective actions are taken and supporting resolution of compliance issues and complaints. CDPH also provides technical support to 62 local environmental health regulatory agencies, including training, investigations, and compliance assistance.

  • Monica Nelson

    Person

    The requested funding the requested funding will support a senior environmental scientist specialist to respond to industry inquiries, develop educational materials, and support field staff with technical issues. We'd also cover an environmental scientist to conduct inspections, verify compliance, and provide guidance to help industry stakeholders meet the new requirements and resolve complaints.

  • Monica Nelson

    Person

    This proposal reduces food waste, improves consumer understanding, and supports health equity by ensuring clear and consistent labeling across California. The next one For the next one,

  • Caroline Menjivar

    Legislator

    you could just talk about what the position would do. You don't have to explain the bill. Yes, ma'am.

  • Monica Nelson

    Person

    The position is one of associate health physicist to conduct inspections and compliance checks and one time cost for a vehicle and radiation test equipment to support those field inspections. And then we're happy to take any questions. Okay. You don't have the last one? No.

  • Monica Nelson

    Person

    Okay. Oh. Thank you. Nope. That's only up to 460.

  • Caroline Menjivar

    Legislator

    Alright. Thank you. Thank you. 669. Gotta be quicker than that.

  • Caroline Menjivar

    Legislator

    And just on the position, please.

  • Chelsea Driscoll

    Person

    Okay. SP 669. So the governor's budget reflects an increase of $515,000 in state operations from the licensing and certification fund 3098. And this is to establish a ten year pilot project where up to five critical access hospitals can participate in a pilot project to offer standby perinatal services. And this is for patients who, are being transferred from an alternative birthing center.

  • Chelsea Driscoll

    Person

    Or who present to the emergency department with an obstructical issue. And so the positions, are, limited term. And they are to support the development of the criteria for the pilot project. And so we have, medical consultant, research data specialist, and analyst, and, an attorney. Those are all partial positions to lead up to the equivalent of two full time positions.

  • Chelsea Driscoll

    Person

    Okay.

  • Caroline Menjivar

    Legislator

    No questions? Leave that item open. Thank you so much. That's it on department, issues. We're gonna go back to proposals for investment, issue 26.

  • Caroline Menjivar

    Legislator

    And, we have a couple for presentation. The first one's gonna be on the cost relief trailer, bill language to prevent community based, community based adult services closures. Each presentation has three minutes.

  • Catherine Senderling-Mcdonald

    Person

    Thank you, madam chair and members. Cathy Senderling-McDonald here today for the California Association for Adult Day Services. And I'm here to talk with you about the community based adult services program, which I thought until today had the best acronym, CBAS. But we have learned a new one today. So we'll have to we're in kind of dual.

  • Catherine Senderling-Mcdonald

    Person

    As a refresher on this issue, CABs is a statewide association representing providers of non medical adult day programs and medical model adult day healthcare, which we more formally know know as the CBAS program. There are three sixteen CBAS programs statewide, down from a high of around three sixty pre pandemic.

  • Catherine Senderling-Mcdonald

    Person

    And specifically, we are asking for the adoption of Trailer bill language that would require the Department of Healthcare Services and Department of Aging to work with stakeholders including CABs and our partner agencies and members to identify cost relief options. To help offset the extreme cost increases that our members have experienced in the two decades since we last had a rate increase. We have provided a draft of the requested language.

  • Catherine Senderling-Mcdonald

    Person

    You have that. We've also provided that to the department. And we also wanna thank Senator Durazo for championing this issue in the Senate. CBAS provide providers support and assist people living with long term health, functional, cognitive, and mental health issues to optimize their individual potential and retain their independence. For our participants, CBAS participants are often the difference between living independently in the community and going into nursing care.

  • Catherine Senderling-Mcdonald

    Person

    We also save the state and managed care plans money because CBAS programs are so much less costly than nursing home care. And finally, CBAS programs take stress off of caregivers. It enables them to care for their loved ones and keep them and help them live independently, while also caring for their own children and going to work each day knowing that their loved ones are cared for during the day. And statewide CBAS programs serve about 45,000 individuals.

  • Catherine Senderling-Mcdonald

    Person

    And this actually makes our program the second largest HCBS program in California behind IHSS, which of course is much greater, larger than that.

  • Catherine Senderling-Mcdonald

    Person

    For the past few years, CADD has come before you asking for rate increases, the raise our rates campaign. And we know your work in championing that effort, as well as others here in the committee and in the Senate has been tremendously welcome, and we appreciate it. However, in recognition of the state's precarious fiscal position and the unknowns with HR 1 implementation, we have changed our request. We're asking for this trailer bill language and really thinking about focusing on greater collaboration for our with our oversight agencies.

  • Catherine Senderling-Mcdonald

    Person

    We do still need those rate increases, and we will be back when the financial situation is better to ask for them.

  • Catherine Senderling-Mcdonald

    Person

    But right now, we're seeing a continuing closure crisis. 47 of our legislative districts have lost a CBAS center just in the last, five years. And 29 closures have occurred in that time. And so while CBAS centers do open each year, we need to do something without a rate increase to try to figure out how to find cost relief. The trailer bill language specifically would ask those two departments to work with us to report back to the legislature in 2027.

  • Catherine Senderling-Mcdonald

    Person

    And thanks for your consideration.

  • Caroline Menjivar

    Legislator

    Thank you. Has anyone assessed a, a cost to this?

  • Catherine Senderling-Mcdonald

    Person

    We have not received any cost estimates from the department. We're hopeful that we can work with them, you know, in the spirit of partnership as we do on an annual basis. It's not intended to be a formalized work group. It's more intentional around collaboration. We're also thinking hard about, you know, we don't know what's gonna happen with the next governor over the next several years.

  • Catherine Senderling-Mcdonald

    Person

    And so really getting that, movement into place into statute to say this does matter to the legislature. It matters to the administration. We know we can't do more right now. But we want to do what we can.

  • Caroline Menjivar

    Legislator

    The Department of Finance, if you can, assess the cost to this stakeholder proposal and get back to me. I know you don't have it now. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

  • Caroline Menjivar

    Legislator

    If you're able to put a cost to it, I'd love to are you able to do that?

  • Riley Thompson

    Person

    I'd have to think about that.

  • Caroline Menjivar

    Legislator

    Okay. Yeah.

  • Riley Thompson

    Person

    I think that we're able to have

  • Riley Thompson

    Person

    a full assistance. Okay.

  • Riley Thompson

    Person

    Yeah. But I have to assessing, you

  • Caroline Menjivar

    Legislator

    know Yeah. So this will Yeah. Is DH.. is anyone here from DHCS? Wow.

  • Catherine Senderling-Mcdonald

    Person

    Test. Test. Test. Okay. We welcome technical assistance on the language.

  • Catherine Senderling-Mcdonald

    Person

    It was a first stab. And intended to be as low key as possible while also moving the issue forward.

  • Caroline Menjivar

    Legislator

    You left too early. You always stayed for public comment. Okay. Thank you so much.

  • Catherine Senderling-Mcdonald

    Person

    Thanks for the opportunity, madam chair.

  • Caroline Menjivar

    Legislator

    Thank you. Alright. Next presentation. Nurse. Yes, right.

  • Caroline Menjivar

    Legislator

    Yeah. Nurse midwife reeducation programs funding.

  • Sosan Madanat

    Person

    Good afternoon. Chair Menjivar, excuse me. My name is Susan Madnat here today representing the California Nurse Midwives Association. We're here today to discuss the urgent need to fund the California Nurse Midwifery Education Fund as outlined in, issue 26. So as many, of us know, California is in the midst of a maternity care crisis.

  • Sosan Madanat

    Person

    Since 2012, 56 hospitals in our state have shuttered their labor and delivery wards. And that is 16% of all general acute care hospitals in California.

  • Sosan Madanat

    Person

    In the face of this collapse, we have a there is currently only one nurse midwifery master's program in the entire state of California, and that's located at CSU fuller Fullerton. In 2025, the legislature took a critical step by passing s p five twenty, by Senator Caballero, which established the education fund to be administered by HCAI. The framework is already there. The policy is already law, but what's missing is the appropriation to make it a reality. This is a strategic investment.

  • Sosan Madanat

    Person

    Midwives can be prepared more rapidly and cost effectively than many other clinical roles, providing high quality care to both mother and child during a time when federal support for reproductive health is increasingly uncertain.

  • Sosan Madanat

    Person

    So we're reproductive health is increasingly uncertain. So we're requesting 2,000,000 in general fund to support the launch of the these programs within the UCs and CSU systems through a competitive grant application process. And I will say we've already heard from a numb number of institutions that are interested in starting these programs if the money was available. This funding will cover the essential start up costs, recruiting faculty, purchasing simulation equipment, and securing clinical precepting sites.

  • Sosan Madanat

    Person

    And importantly, these state funds can be matched with other public and private dollars as written in the legislation. So we're asking HCAI to prioritize programs in areas with the highest demonstrated maternity workforce shortages. And we have discussed this issue in detail with HCAI staff and understand the department is committed to addressing the matur maternal health care crisis.

  • Sosan Madanat

    Person

    Furthermore, we hope to see that HCAI leverages the federal rural health transformation grant funding, specifically the 62,400,000.0 earmarked for workforce development, which targets this this issue specifically, To complement this investment for advanced practice clinician roles in our rural and frontier communities. So we can't wait for more maternity wards to close to build up the workplace, and we urge you to approve this important funding. Thank you.

  • Caroline Menjivar

    Legislator

    I'm glad that you mentioned because I was gonna ask you if you had conversations with the agency.

  • Sosan Madanat

    Person

    We had. Yes. Absolutely.

  • Caroline Menjivar

    Legislator

    In the com, I don't know if you were here for their presentations earlier, but they shared a lot different parts available.

  • Sosan Madanat

    Person

    Yep.

  • Caroline Menjivar

    Legislator

    In your conversations, did they share that one of those parts you could be eligible to?

  • Sosan Madanat

    Person

    Yeah. So the workforce development program is one that we could potentially be eligible for. My understanding is that that would be for licensed midwives as well as nurse midwives. There are two different

  • Sosan Madanat

    Person

    Programs as you as you know. This bill was passed before the RHTP money came through at all, and we're continuing to put this was this bill passed last year, legislation passed last year. And so, ideally, we would love to get some funding from the RHTP program. We also have this standing up right now too. And so we're gonna continue to to push for it just in case.

  • Caroline Menjivar

    Legislator

    Yes.

  • Sosan Madanat

    Person

    My my understanding is that funding is also not potentially eligible until Yes. BME two. And this is something that I will tell you is an urgent need Right.

  • Caroline Menjivar

    Legislator

    Now. And so we're we're What about on the the funding for the rural areas? I don't know if you were here for that presentation as well. I think it's also HCAI. I'm wondering in your conversations did you talk about that program

  • Sosan Madanat

    Person

    as well? We didn't talk specifically about that. We have had general conversations about our our HTP program in general prior to knowing what the full, framework was going to be for that. This legislation passed as I mentioned. And this this what we're asking for here could be used throughout the state as well.

  • Sosan Madanat

    Person

    So it's not targeted only to rural communities, though that is where there is the most need. And as you heard from from folks just now about talking about six six nine from last year, That really is for rural communities as well. We recognize the importance of that too. Okay.

  • Caroline Menjivar

    Legislator

    I'd love if HCAI can get back to us as well to see if this is something that would be eligible under the the rural program as well. DOF, if you could share that with them. Thank you. Alright. Thank you.

  • Sosan Madanat

    Person

    Thank you so much. Really appreciate it.

  • Caroline Menjivar

    Legislator

    Our last, for presentation is Utilizing Community Health Workers Promotoras to Keep Californians Covered.

  • Omar Altamimi

    Person

    Good afternoon, Madam Chair. My name is Omar Altamimi. Sorry. That was a little loud.

  • Omar Altamimi

    Person

    My name is Omar Altamini, senior legislative advocate with CPAN, the California Pan Ethnic Health Network, and I'm joined by my colleague, Natalie Lupin, our senior policy coordinator here for any technical questions that might come up. First, I'd like to thank Senator Durazo for submitting our request to the committee.

  • Omar Altamimi

    Person

    We're here today to urge your support for our budget request for at least $4,000,000 in one time funding to augment and expand HCAI's existing immigrant community health and resilience fund by strengthening CHWPR and community based organization capacity to provide culturally and linguistically responsive health navigation services.

  • Omar Altamimi

    Person

    This investment is important now more than ever as immigrant families struggle to navigate major medical changes caused by HR 1, state budget cuts made last year, and the cuts proposed by the governor for this year, which contain additional reductions and confirms the federal administration's plans to apply H. R.

  • Omar Altamimi

    Person

    One work requirements and more frequent renewal requirements to state only programs. These changes already have and will continue to create new confusion for beneficiaries and increase the risk, of unnecessary coverage terminations due to paperwork and administrative barriers, particularly for communities that already face language access barriers and heightened fear. CHWPRs are trusted messengers embedded in the communities most affected by medical changes and immigration related fear.

  • Omar Altamimi

    Person

    By expanding CHWPR led health navigation capacity, this proposal directly addresses the primary drivers of preventable coverage loss, lack of trusted information, language barriers, administrative complexity, and fear based disengagement. With a targeted investment, CHWPRs can scale health navigation and renewal support to help families stay covered as medical requirements become more complex or find lower no cost care if they are no longer eligible for critical services.

  • Omar Altamimi

    Person

    California already has this infrastructure built in. HCAI's Immigrant Health and Resilience Fund invested, to strengthen connections between CHWPR organizations and immigration legal services to provider or, sorry, to to immigration legal service providers, including improving coordination, increasing referrals and linkages to appropriate health, mental health, oral health, and social services. Expanding stage WPR navigation capacity will complement the county led eligibility and renewal efforts by helping beneficiaries understand notices, gather documentation, and resolve issues before cases are discontinued.

  • Omar Altamimi

    Person

    This coordinated approach can reduce administrative churn and lessen strain on county eligibility workers. And for these reasons, we respectfully request your support for this proposal and happy to answer any questions.

  • Caroline Menjivar

    Legislator

    Thank you. Is this to bring on more CHWs or to continue the ones that are currently working?

  • Natalie Lupin

    Person

    Continue the ones that are currently working. Okay. Do we know like when they're no longer gonna be? So basically this request is, it's adding more funds to a program that already exists at HCAI. There's already about 40 plus CBOs that are CBOs who work with CHWs who are, you know, in this program.

  • Natalie Lupin

    Person

    Some key organizations like Vision Economieso, Health Soul. And so But

  • Caroline Menjivar

    Legislator

    so the but is it because the funding's gonna run now and they're no longer gonna be able to work or

  • Natalie Lupin

    Person

    It's just we need more funding. It's not enough funding.

  • Caroline Menjivar

    Legislator

    I know but you need more funding but it's not to bring more CHWs. You said it's to continue the ones that already exist. So I'm wondering or is their contract ending? And then they need the money to I that's where I'm having it.

  • Natalie Lupin

    Person

    Yeah. I would say, so it I'll clarify that, it could bring on more CHWs. Uh-huh. The idea is that, you know, we it's only 6,000,000 right now to help fund 40 plus organizations. That's only a small amount.

  • Natalie Lupin

    Person

    And so we're trying to provide more funds and to specifically focus on health navigation. Right now, the HCAI's infrastructure health navigation is a piece of that, but it's also really focused on connecting immigrant legal services with the CHWPR CBOs. And so we need funds to really specifically focus on health navigation due to HR 1 impacts and state budget cuts.

  • Caroline Menjivar

    Legislator

    Okay. Okay. Thank you. Yeah.

  • Natalie Lupin

    Person

    Okay. Thank you. Thanks.

  • Caroline Menjivar

    Legislator

    We're gonna move into public comment now.

  • Mark Farouk

    Person

    Madam Chair, Mark Farouk on behalf of the California Hospital Association representing Mini GECS. Speaking in support of the distressed hospital loan program funding proposal in, proposals for investment, this would call for an additional 300,000,000 to put into the program that has been exhausted. I just wanted to say that California hospitals were already under severe financial strain before HR 1 and the additional federal funding reductions will worsen an already fragile situation.

  • Mark Farouk

    Person

    Since 2020, nine hospitals have closed in California through the previous, funding in the distressed hospital loan program that was able to keep the doors open on 15 hospitals. We this is a one time ask that we think will not exacerbate the state's structural budget deficit, but will potentially stabilize the fragile nature of some of the finances of some of these hospitals.

  • Mark Farouk

    Person

    Appreciate your consideration.

  • Mark Farouk

    Person

    Thank you.

  • Caroline Menjivar

    Legislator

    Thank you, Mark.

  • Caroline Menjivar

    Legislator

    You know, like two hours ago, I looked on and I was like, oh, it's not a lot of people. It won't be a lot of public comments. Silly me. People come towards the end. Okay.

  • Catherine Senderling-Mcdonald

    Person

    Thank you Madam Chair, members. Cathy Senderling McDonald here for the California Association for Adult Day Services. In support of the proposal for investment from the Alzheimer's Association for Dementia Care Aware, we're pleased to support this effort.

  • Catherine Senderling-Mcdonald

    Person

    We, are seeing a growing percentage of our, service providers serving more and more, patients who have cognitive impairments and dementia and are, pleased to to support serving them better as well as helping their caregivers provide better service. Thank you. Thank you.

  • Kelly Larue

    Person

    Good afternoon. Kelly LaRue here on behalf of Alignment Health Plan who serves over 200,000 of California seniors with about 70,000 who are eligible for both Medi Cal and Medicare. Just this week, CMS finalized a 2.48% increase in Medicare Advantage payments for 2027, reinforcing the role these plans can play in supporting providers and patients during periods of financial strain and ensuring that California manages Medicare funding in this challenging fiscal environment.

  • Kelly Larue

    Person

    High performing, highly rated Medicare Advantage plans like Alignment improve outcomes while also providing more predictable funding to providers and the broader healthcare ecosystem in addition to delivering richer benefits for dual eligibles. As Kallian continues to evolve, we urge the subcommittee to support policies that preserve access to high quality M.

  • Kelly Larue

    Person

    A. Plans and allow them to continue serving duals while advancing the state's coordination goals. Also wanted to flag for you for the California Urgent Care Association. We're putting together some information about providers who began taking Medi Cal, under the T R I payments. And so we can get that cost savings and increase access numbers to you guys.

  • Kelly Larue

    Person

    Thank you.

  • Kelly Brooks

    Person

    Kelly Brooks here this afternoon on behalf of the University of California Health to comment on two items. First, on the rural health transformation program, UC Health serves patients from 99% of California zip codes and is committed to expanding rural access to specialty and inpatient care. UCHealth also supports building a sustainable rural health workforce to address care gaps in an underserved areas. UCHealth looks forward to continued collaboration with HCAI as they begin to roll out the grant funding application.

  • Kelly Brooks

    Person

    On issue 26, UC, health support CDA's request to reject the plan elimination of $311,000,000 in general fund support for proposition 56 dental rates.

  • Kelly Brooks

    Person

    UC's dental schools at UCSF and UCLA are key medical safety net providers serving children, older adults, people with disabilities, medical medically compact patients, and underserved families. These cuts would impact critical services, including pediatrics, hospital dentistry, oral surgery, orthodontics, endodontics, and special needs care. Thank you.

  • Caroline Menjivar

    Legislator

    Thanks, Kelly.

  • Angela Pontes

    Person

    Good morning. Angela Pontes on behalf of Planned Parenthood Affiliates of California representing the seven Planned Parenthood affiliates that operate over 100 community health centers and our providers in the uncompensated care grant program offering abortion and contraception care. The program is currently in its last round of funding and therefore will not continue without an appropriation.

  • Angela Pontes

    Person

    Planned Parenthood is in strong support of the $30,000,000 request to continue the program for three more years at $10,000,000 per year as planned parenthood providers and the other providers in the program need that funding to continue offering services for those that do not qualify for medical programs or otherwise have coverage. Thank you.

  • Caroline Menjivar

    Legislator

    Thank you.

  • Connie Delgado

    Person

    Good afternoon, madam chair. Connie Delgado on behalf of the District Hospital Leadership Forum. These are the 33 district and municipal hospitals in the state. Excuse me. We appreciate HCAI's presentation on the RHTP.

  • Connie Delgado

    Person

    As outlined in today's materials, this program represents a significant and timely investment to strengthen access, workforce, and innovation in rural communities. For the hospitals DHLF, represents, many of these, many of which serve as the backbone of care in rural and underserved areas. This program is critically important. The focus on transformative care models, including hub and spoke networks, will help stabilize essential hospitals and improve coordination of care. The workforce investments will directly address persistent staffing shortages, especially in these hard to recruit regions.

  • Connie Delgado

    Person

    You've heard some conversations about that and you yourself mentioned. As the technology and infrastructure funding, including telehealth and EHR modernization will help close long standing gaps in access and connectivity. We look forward to continuing to partner with HCAI and the legislature to ensure these resources are deployed and effectively reach the communities most in need. And, also, we would like to offer support for the CHA $100,000,000 for the distressed hospital loan program. As you know, district hospitals Thank you.

  • Connie Delgado

    Person

    Over half past five. Thank you.

  • Lena Workman

    Person

    Lena Workman with the California WIC Association representing the 83 local WIC agencies that provide the WIC program. We'd like to commend CDPH WIC as they are currently undertaking the herculean task of implementing the new food package. This vital targeted short term benefit supports 1,000,000 Californians each month, and its proven positive outcomes with great impact deserve our full support and investment. We strongly support their efforts to implement WIC online shopping.

  • Lena Workman

    Person

    The long sought after flexibility by WIC families will facilitate equitable access to healthy foods by reducing barriers such as transportation in both urban and rural communities, easier shopping for WIC approved foods, mitigating ongoing immigration threats, and the stigma for utilizing, public benefits.

  • Lena Workman

    Person

    Thank you.

  • Caroline Menjivar

    Legislator

    Thank you.

  • Lizzie Cootsona

    Person

    Good afternoon. Lizzie Cootsona here. Gonna comment on two items today. First, on behalf of the office of Kat Taylor, on item 25 in support of the BCP to implement AB 1264, we urge legislature to approve this funding so the department can develop these rigorous science based based regulations and provide schools with the technical assistance they need to serve healthier meals.

  • Lizzie Cootsona

    Person

    Also here on behalf of the California Medical Association on item 10, CMA applauds efforts to improve access to quality menopausal care and wants to ensure requirements placed on plans are contemplating the implementation impacts on providers.

  • Lizzie Cootsona

    Person

    To that end, CMA and ACOG are working with other impacted providers to provide feedback on the language and look forward to continuing conversations. Thank you. Thanks.

  • Nico Molina

    Person

    Good afternoon, Madam Chair. Nico Molina on behalf of Bayer. Bayer supports the governor's budget proposal and the related budget trailer bill on prescription drug coverage for menopause treatments. While Bayer fully supports the TBL and funding proposal, we urge the legislature legislature to consider revising the language to ensure that women experiencing menopause have access to the full range of treatment options, including innovative new treatments that might not otherwise be covered by insurance. Thank you.

  • Nico Molina

    Person

    Thank you.

  • Courtney Armstrong

    Person

    Good afternoon, Chairman Menjivar. My name is Courtney Armstrong with the First Five Association. I'm here to speak on item eighteen eighteen under CDPH's BHSA population based prevention fund. Despite past historic investments in children's behavioral health, the birth through age five population remains underserved and often overlooked. The sunsetting of the CYBHI community practice grants at the 2026, combined with the changes due to BHSA implementation, are going to widen that gap.

  • Courtney Armstrong

    Person

    For these reasons, First five Association of California is requesting an additional $20,000,000 for the new CDPH population based prevention fund, specifically for the birth to five population. And we're also proposing two technical fixes for that fund. So first is designate 20% of the 51 youth set aside for the birth to five population. And the second is to clarify the statue to ensure that county first fives are eligible applicants for those funds as local early childhood experts with deep community knowledge. Thank you.

  • Caroline Menjivar

    Legislator

    Thank you.

  • Jackie Anderson

    Person

    Good afternoon, Madam Chair. Jackie Anderson with CHIAC representing our local health departments throughout the state. Under issue 26, CHIAC respectfully request the legislature and administration provide $97,600,000 for four key public health IT systems used in communicable disease and vaccination programs. These systems include MyCA VAX, CalConnect, the California Immunization Registry, and the Future Disease Surveillance System.

  • Jackie Anderson

    Person

    The governor's January budget does not propose resources for these systems, and without funding, these systems are slated to shut down on June 30, with no contingency plans communicated to local health departments, health care providers, or other users.

  • Jackie Anderson

    Person

    Philosophy systems would force local health departments back to pre pandemic, less efficient, and administrative administratively burdensome workflows and processes to prevent and control infectious diseases. And these, practices would include manual spreadsheets, faxing, emailing, reports, cold calling, emailing, electronic data files, and manual labor to establish new workflows. These systems have saved countless hours of state and local health department, staff time and have enabled more timely and actionable public health intervention statewide. California cannot afford to Thank you

  • Caroline Menjivar

    Legislator

    Thank you so much.

  • Jackie Anderson

    Person

    Thank you.

  • Kathleen Mossburg

    Person

    Chair, Kathy Mossberg on behalf of Essential Access Health. Wanna comment on one of the items for reinvestment on the uncompensated care program to the point made by my colleague from Planned Parenthood. These funds have now been expended after this last grant cycle. This has been a true lifeline for the providers and for those we serve. This was something put in place post Roe.

  • Kathleen Mossburg

    Person

    Now with HR 1, we're even in a worse situation. We're gonna see more uncompensated care and we need this program even more. So wanna just urge your support for the $30,000,000 request, spend the money over three years, 10,000,000 a year. We also have some additional outside of general fund that we could use in the abortion fund that was created last year and some of those insurance dollars. So there's ways to offset some of that general fund request.

  • Kathleen Mossburg

    Person

    So we urge your we urge your support when the time is appropriate. Thank you.

  • Ryan Souza

    Person

    Good afternoon. Ryan Souza on behalf of Ceres Community Project, lead organization in the CBO Medi Cal Coalition. Our coalition represents over 700 community based organizations, and we serve all, community supports and all populations of enhanced care management. We just wanna highlight the conversation around CalAIM, ECM, and community supports today. Our CBOs are local and doing the work from moving people from long term skilled nursing facilities to successfully living in affordable housing to helping keep people's diabetes in check with medically nutritious meals.

  • Ryan Souza

    Person

    And we just wanna say that DHCS was clear today. We are hearing from our, organizations and individuals. These are innovative programs that are cost savings and that are working. And so we just wanna support and keep this, you know, the CalA, MECM, and CS as a priority both in policy and funding as the conversations move forward.

  • Ryan Souza

    Person

    We also have a brief here today I'm gonna leave, which is in partnership with Center for Care Innovations, and it really describes kind of the nature of the organizations doing the work and what's happening in the field right now.

  • Caroline Menjivar

    Legislator

    Thank you.

  • Ryan Souza

    Person

    Thank you so much.

  • Michelle Gibbons

    Person

    Good afternoon. Michelle Gibbons with Chiac representing local health departments as well. I just wanted to comment on issue 18, BHSA population, prevention. The local health departments are in the plan are receiving $12,000,000, but we're being asked to create suicide prevention plans and then convene all the folks that CDPH then provides funding to locally and making sure we're all rowing in the same direction. 12,000,000 across 61 local health jurisdictions is not gonna go very far and is not enough to complete that work.

  • Michelle Gibbons

    Person

    The challenge that we see is that the state is using a lot of those dollars for programs that they already pay for and leaving us with 12,000,000 and not really expanding that to anything more. So we would love to continue that dialogue with the department but also with the legislature to try to get a little bit more funding for local health departments so we could actually maximize the opportunity and show that public health can add value into this prevention space.

  • Michelle Gibbons

    Person

    Thank you.

  • Caroline Menjivar

    Legislator

    Thank you.

  • Chris Kahn

    Person

    Chris Khan representing the ALS network. I'm hearing, continued support for the, ALS, wraparound system of care program outlined in, as part of item 26. This proven program allows, ALS patients and their and their families to access clinics throughout the state taking a a huge burden off our healthcare system. Thanks for your consideration and I hope there's a third flight.

  • Caroline Menjivar

    Legislator

    Thank you, Chris. I know.

  • George Cruz

    Person

    Good afternoon, Chair. George Cruz on behalf of the California Behavioral Health Association. We appreciate the state's commitment to behavioral health through CalAIM and want to highlight two areas where targeted investment is needed. First on BHSA population health funding, we urge the legislature to support the budget request championed by assembly member Pellerin that allocates 30,000,000 from the behavioral health fund to fund the California reducing disparities project.

  • George Cruz

    Person

    CRDP is a proven prevention model that reaches communities not served by traditional system and the state has already made significant investments in building that infrastructure.

  • George Cruz

    Person

    For every $1 invested, the state's seen roughly $5 in return, and CRDP's funding is set to expire in June 2026. Second, the enhanced care management and community health support, community based providers are responsible for providing these services but current but current, rates and infrastructures do not accurately reflect the true cost of care. Providers lack access to the same level of technical assistance as counties which create uneven implementation and limits access. Thank you so much.

  • Caroline Menjivar

    Legislator

    Thank you. I have to stop public comment at 3:00. I have to. So I get thirty seconds, yeah, each person.

  • Jessica Moran

    Person

    Good afternoon, madam chair. Jessica Miranda with Capital Advocacy on behalf of Big Smiles Children's Choice Dental

  • Jessica Moran

    Person

    Care, the Association for Dental Support Organizations,

  • Jessica Moran

    Person

    and Golden Age Dental Care. Support Organizations, and Golden Age Dental Care, all in support of the Prop 56 reinstatement, of dollars, you know, representing providers who treat, children all the way to the end of life, who treat, patients in schools, dental offices, and nursing facilities is finding it's critical to maintain the dental network and make sure that we don't hinder access to care for an already vulnerable population. Thank you.

  • Caroline Menjivar

    Legislator

    Thank you.

  • Julie Sherman

    Person

    Hi. Good afternoon, madam chair and staff. My name is Julie Sherman. I'm here on behalf of, The Arc of California. We represent people with intellectual and developmental disabilities.

  • Julie Sherman

    Person

    I'll be quick. We are just here again to urge the committee to reinstate the funding for Medi Cal Dental. This is something that is very important to the special needs community.

  • Caroline Menjivar

    Legislator

    Thank you.

  • Julie Sherman

    Person

    Thank you so much.

  • Sarah Nocedo

    Person

    Sarah Nocedo on behalf of the California Chronic Care Coalition. We are here in support of our partners at the Alzheimer's Association's budget act request for 5,400,000.0 over three years for the dementia care aware program. Thank you. Thank you.

  • Kat DeBurgh

    Person

    Hi. Kat DeBurgh with the Health Officers Association of California in support of the stakeholder, proposal for $97,000,000 for state IT systems so that we don't fight twenty first century diseases with twentieth century technology. Thank you.

  • Caroline Menjivar

    Legislator

    Thank you.

  • Bruce Palmer

    Person

    Madam Chair, Bruce Palmer, with the California Association of Public Health Lab Directors who represent 28 local public health labs serving as part of the first line of defense against public health threats in our community. We are in support, in alignment with CHIAC, HOAC, and SEIU in for this 97,600,000.0 for c d p CDPH IT systems. Thank you.

  • Caroline Menjivar

    Legislator

    Thank you.

  • Trevor Nelson

    Person

    Good afternoon, Madam Chair. Trevor Nelson with the California Alliance of Child and Family Services in support of funding for the CalAIM enhanced care management and community supports. These programs are essential to meeting the needs of our most vulnerable residents and they are delivering results. I'd also like to, speak in support of the $20,000,000 allocation for the population based prevention fund for children ages zero to five. Thank you very much.

  • Caroline Menjivar

    Legislator

    Thank you.

  • Raymond Contreras

    Person

    Good afternoon, Madam Chair, members. Raymond Contreras with Lighthouse Public Affairs on behalf of Full Wealth and the continued support for CalAIM. Since the launch of plant launch of CalAIM, specifically the medically tailored meals and medical supportive food have connected over with over 220 patients across the state. We wanna continue prioritizing, equity across California.

  • Raymond Contreras

    Person

    Thank you.

  • Caroline Menjivar

    Legislator

    Thank you.

  • Wes Saber

    Person

    Thank you, Madam Chair. Wes Saber, Health Right 360. I wanna stress the importance of preserving the California Reducing Disparities Project through our Essence of Mana program. We operate the only CRDP program specifically serving Pacific Islander communities And without the continued funding for CRDP, we risk losing effective programs, a trusted workforce, and behavioral health infrastructure. I also wanna uplift the End Epidemic's Coalition, request and the California Hunger Action Coalition's request.

  • Caroline Menjivar

    Legislator

    Thank you.

  • Wes Saber

    Person

    Thank you.

  • Melissa Cortez-Roth

    Person

    Thank you. Melissa Cortez on behalf of Homestyle Direct. Homestyle Direct provides medical medically tailored meals within the Kellyanne program. We do wanna offer continued support for that program, but I also wanna note that we did provide some, recommendations to the department, copied this committee on ways that we believe you can see additional cost savings within that program by standardizing eligibility and streamlining documentation required. Thank you.

  • Caroline Menjivar

    Legislator

    Thank you.

  • Eric Dowdy

    Person

    Thank you, Madam Chair. Eric Dowdy with the California Dental Association here to support the reinstatement of the prop 56 supplemental payment cuts for Medi Cal Dental. We see it as existential for the, survival of the program and access. So we appreciate your support for that.

  • Beth Malinowski

    Person

    Thank you. Good afternoon, Chair. Beth Malnowski, the SCA California. I wanna align my comments to those of Cheak and Hoak in supporting the public health IT investments of roughly 97,000,000. One additionally supports the investments outlined earlier on the HCAI budget in particular, ongoing investments to the data exchange framework, the HPD, and the Office of Healthcare Affordability.

  • Beth Malinowski

    Person

    Additionally, support their work implementing AB 1418. And lastly, appreciate their focus of workforce on centering the rural health transformation program in the workforce needs of rural California. Lastly, on the Department of Public Health budget, wanna support the investments in the Center for Healthcare Quality Field Operations Strike Team. Thank you. Thank you.

  • Nora Angeles

    Person

    Nora Angeles with Children Now. We are in support of the following. CHIAC's public health IT funding request, the $26,000,000 request for gender affirming care support, CDA's proposal to cover Prop 56 incentive payments, the $4,000,000 investment in CHWs and immigrant health care, and we support the additional funds in trailer bill language for First Five. Thank you. Thank you.

  • Diana Luna

    Person

    Good afternoon, Chair. Diana Luna with the County Behavioral Health Directors Association. We just want to express our gratitude to HCAI for their partnership and collaboration on the DHS A workforce initiative development. While we appreciate the partnership, we do wanna raise one concern that we have with the draft wet plan, which proposes evaluating the impact of the BH Connect recruitment and retention program prior to making additional investments. While the BH Connect program has made meaningful, progress, gaps remain in its scope.

  • Diana Luna

    Person

    So we would really urge the reconsideration of this approach. Thank you.

  • Caroline Menjivar

    Legislator

    Thank you so much.

  • Jennifer Tannehill

    Person

    Jennifer Tannehill for the California Dental Hygienists Association. We wanna echo the comments of the Dental Association and also just that we would like to, make sure that we support the preservation of profits, 56 funds for dental. It really impacts the alternative practice hygienist and their patients who are in nursing homes and those homebound elderly and disabled patients. Thank you.

  • Nicole Wordelman

    Person

    Nicole Wortleman on behalf of the Children's Partnership in support of two stakeholder proposals, the Community Health workers $4,000,000 as well as the $20,000,000 for zero through five mental health through first five commissions. Thank you.

  • Andrew Mendoza

    Person

    Thank you, madam chair. Andrew Mendoza on behalf of the Alzheimer's Association. We are sponsoring the budget request for the dementia care aware. It is $5,400,000 to sustain a dynamic training program for three years. They have already trained more than 7,450 people reaching, professionals in every California county, and they offer free CEUs and CMEs, in exchange for that training.

  • Andrew Mendoza

    Person

    And we do believe that this has led to better detection and diagnosis of dementia, which can reduce, necessary hospitalizations and emergency room visits and can save, cost to our shared health care system, and which will help mitigate the impact of implementing HR 1. Thank you. Thank you.

  • Natalie Maria

    Person

    Good afternoon. Natalie Santa Maria, Promotora with Vision y Compromiso, here in support for three budget ask, 1 to 4,000,000 one time funding request to bill on HCAI's infrastructure by expanding CHW Promoteras and representatives and CBO's capacity to provide health navigation, one time funding of 750,000 to the allocation of Department of Health Care Services to produce a report on the use of the community health worker benefit, And lastly, ask of 30,000,000 to Vicio Nico Promiso to support the Alianza, which is 14, CBOs working to support this and 50,000,000 to Vicio Nico Promiso.

  • Natalie Maria

    Person

    Thank you.

  • Romelle Antoine

    Person

    Hi. Romelle Antoine with the Sacramento LGBT Community Center and a coalition of LGBT centers across the state here in strong support of a $35,000,000 LGBTQ plus community community center fund and 25,000,000 for gender affirming care. Center such such as ours provide critical care, such as mental health, housing support, HIV services, affirming care for youth, etcetera. Right now with federal attacks, it's time for California to be a backstop for our youth and our community. Thank you.

  • Caroline Menjivar

    Legislator

    Thank you.

  • Daniella Zimmerman

    Person

    Daniella Zimmerman, ally mom of an LGBT kiddo and, board chair of the new Placer LGBTQ plus Center. Just wanted to underscore the importance of providing these services in rural areas throughout California, so that, individuals have access to support of medical professionals and services, legal help, safe gathering spaces, employment opportunities, all of the above which benefits mental health. Thank you for including funding for LGBT centers in the state budget going forward.

  • Caroline Menjivar

    Legislator

    Thank you.

  • Mar Velez

    Person

    Good afternoon, Chair. Mar Velez with the Latino Coalition for Healthy California in support of the 4,000,000, dollar asked to HCAV to support community health worker CBO infrastructure. And additionally, we urge DHCS to provide utilization data of the CHWPR benefit, and support the $707,150 ks, as to support this report. Thank you.

  • Caroline Menjivar

    Legislator

    Thank you.

  • Ej Aguayo

    Person

    Afternoon, EJ Aguayo. I'll be fast. I have a few. On behalf of Ochin, we appreciate, Senator Dolly's championing of $20,000,000 to reauthorize and scale HCAI's proven health IT and AI workforce program. On behalf of CAFP, we appreciate the dedication to and protection of Song Brown.

  • Ej Aguayo

    Person

    Also, on behalf of CAFP, we appreciate the administration's engagement on improving access to menopausal care. Look forward to continuing discussion on amendments to the proposed trailer bill, language. Almost lastly, on behalf of CalPace in support of the, CAD's budget request geared to prevent community based adult service closures. Lastly Thank you. On behalf of Vision, Visayan e con in support of the $4,000,000 investment.

  • Uthman Ahmad

    Person

    Hello. Uthman Ahmad with Roots Community Health Center. We strongly wanted to ask for two investments. The first is 750,000 asked to require to report on who's accessing the CHW benefit and where those gaps are. And second, the formula to expand CHW capacity through HCAI's existing infrastructure.

  • Uthman Ahmad

    Person

    This investment would deepen and broaden that reach of our health care. Thank you. Thank you.

  • Lily Dorn

    Person

    Hi there. Lily Dorn with the Children's Partnership. I'm here to echo the comments of my colleagues at CPEN to urge the legislature to invest at least $4,000,000 one time funding to build on existing HCAI infrastructure to support CHWPRs and CBOs in helping California's children and families stay enrolled in Medi Cal mitigate HR1 harm and access care.

  • Lily Dorn

    Person

    We also strongly support a one time allocation of $750,000 for DHCS to publish data on utilization so advocates can better work with the state to improve this critically important benefit within Medi Cal. Thank you so much.

  • Caroline Menjivar

    Legislator

    Thank you.

  • Doreena Wong

    Person

    Good afternoon Madam Chair. Doreena Wong from Asian Resources Inc. To comment on item 26. We also support the, dollars 4,000,000 allocation to HCAI to support CHWs. We've seen firsthand the importance and critical need for these CHWs to provide culturally and linguistically competent care.

  • Doreena Wong

    Person

    We also support the 750,000 to, to make for the report to ensure the the CHW benefit is effective. Thank you.

  • Caroline Menjivar

    Legislator

    Thank you.

  • Whitney Francis

    Person

    Good afternoon. Whitney Francis with the Western Center on Law and Poverty. We appreciate that the menopause TBL implements coverage requirements but have concerns that the language treats Medi Cal patients differently by not requiring annual provider assessment or patient notification. We urge low income Californians not be treated differently than those with commercial coverage. We're also pleased to see the department's commitment to CalAIM and to ensure the long term success of vital community supports.

  • Whitney Francis

    Person

    We recommend Movement to make these services Medi Cal benefits, and we align our comments with previous colleagues supporting the two CHW asks and support the $26,000,000 request to protect transgender health care. And finally, we continue to urge legislature to pursue progressive revenue solutions to protect healthcare for all Californians. Thank you.

  • Caroline Menjivar

    Legislator

    Thank you. Just flagging that the this subcommittee has not received a formal request for the $750,000 from CHW. So if you wanna turn in this workshop, a worksheet that has to be formally submitted.

  • Prosperity Unknown

    Person

    Good afternoon. My name is Prosperity, and I'm here on behalf of the Karen Organization of San Diego serving refugees from Burma. Our community languages, including Karen and Harabedian others, are rarely, represented. So we are here to urge legislature to invest at least 4,000,000 to support community health workers and community organizations in helping all Californians stay enrolled in medical, navigate changes, and access the care they need.

  • Caroline Menjivar

    Legislator

    Thank you.

  • Muay Unknown

    Person

    My name is Muay, and I'm a community health worker with the current organization of San Diego, also serving Korean, Korean, and other Burmese speaking ethnic groups from Burma. In my five plus years working in this role, I have seen firsthand how important it is to have trusted messengers. The formula investment will fund trauma informed outreach and education done by community health workers like myself. Thank you. Thank you.

  • Anna Chodos

    Person

    Hello, madam chair. I'm Anna Chodos. I'm a geriatrician and internist at UCSF and professor of medicine and executive director of dementia care where I wanna just put in my support for the budget request for that. You heard we're just we've talked to thousands of people and trained them. We're just getting started.

  • Anna Chodos

    Person

    There's tens of thousands more people to train in how to do dementia care while the population is doubling before 2040. So thank you so much. We do not have any other state support to continue this program after this cycle. Thank you so

  • Caroline Menjivar

    Legislator

    much. Thank you.

  • Monica Miller

    Person

    Madam Chair, Monica Miller on behalf of Alzheimer San Diego, Orange County, and Los Angeles. We're in support of the CADDs request with dementia care aware as well as the, excuse me, the CADDs request as well as the, Alzheimer's Association request, related to dementia care AWARE. Thank you.

  • Caroline Menjivar

    Legislator

    Thank you

  • Kat Van Dines

    Person

    Katie Van Dines with Health Access California. We on HRI Issue one, we support strong implementation of the Office of Health Care Affordability. Consumers will bear the brunt of the of the impacts of HR1, and we can't protect household and state budgets without addressing the drivers of high healthcare costs. HCAI issue three, we support the BCP to transfer the, data exchange framework over to HCAI and strong implementation of the program, including an independent governing, boarding, and enforcement.

  • Kat Van Dines

    Person

    HK HKI issue five, we support the BCP for AP fourteen eighteen.

  • Kat Van Dines

    Person

    DMHC issue nine, we support the BCP for SB 41 and SB 306. And for h issue 26, we support CIPMs ask for the $4,000,000 Okay. Document. Thank you.

  • Caroline Menjivar

    Legislator

    Thank you.

  • Jasmine Asher

    Person

    Good afternoon. My name is Jasmine Asher. I'm representing the California Association of Orthodontists. On behalf of the California Association of Orthodontists, we strongly support restoring proposition 56 funding for Dental Cal at previous levels. Access to dental care is essential to overall health, and these funds are critical to ensuring that patients, especially vulnerable populations, can receive timely necessary care.

  • Jasmine Asher

    Person

    Loss of this funding would significantly reduce access to care and place additional strain on California's dental system. Thank you. Thank

  • Natalie Lupin

    Person

    you. Good afternoon, chair. My name is Natalie Lupin with the California Panethnic Health Network. I'm here to urge the legislator to invest at least 4,000,000 one time to support CHWPRs and community organizations to help vulnerable Californians stay enrolled in Medi Cal amid new federal and state rules making it harder to stay covered. Many families, especially in immigrant communities, are not receiving timely or language accessible information about these changes, so we must continue to fund their work.

  • Natalie Lupin

    Person

    It's very critical and urgent, so please invest in community based care during this critical moment.

  • Caroline Menjivar

    Legislator

    Thank you so much. Thank you.

  • Johan Cardenas

    Person

    Good afternoon. Johan Cadenas with the California Panecnek Health Network. On dental seats, we're very, you know, regarding, dental profit seats, you know, 1,000,000 people will lose their dental coverage on July 1, so we must act now. We must protect that coverage. And finally, we also like to voice our support for the LGBT community center funds proposal as well.

  • Caroline Menjivar

    Legislator

    Thank you.

  • Johan Cardenas

    Person

    Thank you.

  • Vanessa Terán

    Person

    Thank you for your patience. Good afternoon, Chair and members. My name is Vanessa Teran, Director of Policy with MICOP, the Community Organizing Project. As we're all aware, the current federal administration's enforcement's actions are placing immense strain on our immigrant families in our region throughout and throughout California and the nations. I want to echo that the frontline people who are working through this are CHWPRs.

  • Vanessa Terán

    Person

    They're the ones who have been the most essential of navigators for immigrant communities who are experiencing significant harm. MICOP currently is a recipient of HCHI one pillar pillar one funding as a subcontractee of Coalition. This investment supports Promotoras to do outreach and referrals for immigrant legal services and health care access.

  • Caroline Menjivar

    Legislator

    Thank you. So we urge Cut it off. Thank you so much. That will conclude public comment. Budget subcommittee number three on health and human services has adjourned.

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