Hearings

Senate Standing Committee on Judiciary

June 23, 2026
  • Thomas Umberg

    Legislator

    Alright. Senate Committee on Judiciary, will come to order. Good morning. We are holding this committee hearing in Room 2100 of the 0 Street Building. I ask that all members of the committee present themselves in Room 2100 so we can establish a quorum.

  • Thomas Umberg

    Legislator

    We are going to begin as a subcommittee. There are 54 measures on our agenda today, 20 of which are on the consent calendar. Wanna note that the following bills have been pulled from the consent calendar. These bills will be presented by the authors and heard in committee. Those two bills are file number 30, AB 2782 by the Assembly Judiciary Committee, and file number 33, AB 1752 by Assemblymember Lackey.

  • Thomas Umberg

    Legislator

    That's been pulled from the consent calendar as well. The bills on the con consent calendar are as follows. File number two, AB 2134 by Assembly member Addis with amendments. File number three, AB 464 by Assembly member Aguiar Curry. File number six, AB 1760 by Assembly member Arambula.

  • Thomas Umberg

    Legislator

    File number 11, AB 1864 by Assembly member Berman. File number 18, AB 2086 by Assembly member Ellis. File number 19, AB 1928 by Assembly member Fong. File number 21, AB 2101 by Assembly member Gipson. File number 23, AB 1950 by Assembly member Harabedian.

  • Thomas Umberg

    Legislator

    File number 24, AB 2221 by Assembly member Erwin. File number 25, AB 2692 by Assembly member Erwin with amendments. File number 28, AB 2042 by Assembly member Carlro. File number 29, AB 2534 by Assembly member Carlro. File number 34, AB 1982 by Assembly member Lowenthal.

  • Thomas Umberg

    Legislator

    File number 35, AB 198 by Assembly member Mckinner. File number 37, AB 2106 by Assembly member Patel. File number 38, AB 2542 by Assembly member Patterson with amendments. File number 39, AB 2333 by Assembly member Pellerin. File number 41, AB 230 by Assembly member Ransom.

  • Thomas Umberg

    Legislator

    File number 44, AB 1781 by Assembly member Michelle Rodriguez. And finally, File number 49, AB 2478 by Assemblymember Schultz. Alright. After we hear the bills today on today's agenda, there will be an informational hearing on SB 623 by myself and Assemblymember Pappan. This informational hearing will be run just like any hearing on any regular bill.

  • Thomas Umberg

    Legislator

    I will hand the gavel to our vice Chair, and I will present the bill. There will be two support witnesses who have two minutes each to speak. We will hear from any Me Too support witnesses, and then we will do the same for the opposition on the bill. Members will then have an opportunity to make comments or ask questions. Since this is an informational hearing, there will be no vote on the bill today.

  • Thomas Umberg

    Legislator

    After the informational hearing ends, our business for the day will be concluded. Alright. So just as I mentioned for the informational hearing, the the same process will be conducted for all the other bills today. What that means is it'll be two primary witnesses in support, two primary witnesses in opposition. You don't have to have them, but if you do, that's the rule.

  • Thomas Umberg

    Legislator

    Each of them will have two minutes, and after the witnesses in support testify, then you may approach the microphone and provide what we call me too testimony. In other words, give us your name, your affiliation, and your position on the bill. We'll do the exact same thing for the opposition. If you wish to provide further information, there is, information on the senate judiciary website, where you can submit written information to the Committee and Committee members. Alright.

  • Thomas Umberg

    Legislator

    I see a Assemblymember Addis, and I see one other, author whose name I won't mention so that others don't come down and jump ahead. So, alright. Assemblymember Addis.

  • Dawn Addis

    Legislator

    Thank you so thank you so much, Senator. Today, we're here to present AB 1876, the Fair Care for All Act that would codify federal nondiscrimination protections into state law to ensure that no individual is excluded from health care coverage or services based on a protected class.

  • Dawn Addis

    Legislator

    What we know is that since taking office, this president and their and his administration has continuously used, inflammatory as well as blatantly false rhetoric to scapegoat transgender and other LGBT individuals in an attempt to justify the rollback of health care protections. This has also extended to executive orders and various rules focused on denying health care to transgender individuals.

  • Dawn Addis

    Legislator

    So we know that this is a very, very dangerous precedent because in rolling back protections for one community, we open the door to weakening safeguards against discrimination for many other communities.

  • Dawn Addis

    Legislator

    The solution that we have AB 1876 takes proactive steps to codify non discrimination provisions of the Federal Affordable Care Act into state law. So the bill would not require expansion of services or coverage, rather ensure that if an insurance provider covers a prescribed service for one patient population, that they also cover the same service for all patient populations who need that care.

  • Dawn Addis

    Legislator

    Together, the changes would prevent health care plans and providers from denying care or coverage to any individual base, based on their race, color, national origin, age, disability, or sex. And joining me today is Malakai Kote, director of gender of the Gender Health Center here in Sacramento.

  • Thomas Umberg

    Legislator

    Thank you very much. Please approach the microphone.

  • Malachi Cote

    Person

    Greetings, state senators. My name is Doctor. Malachi Cote. I use he, they, and them pronouns, and I'm the executive director of the Gender Health Center. And I'm a licensed psychologist here in Sacramento in strong support of AB 1876.

  • Malachi Cote

    Person

    At the Gender Health Center, we provide low barrier services to all community, including a free hosted gender affirming hormone prescription clinic and hosted and

  • Malachi Cote

    Person

    Our services are open to everyone, and we center on serving BIPOC, two spirit, transgender, gender diverse, and intersex communities. At the G H C, we've witnessed people coming into their own lives, becoming fully who they are, and experiencing what some might call gender euphoria. We have seen the profound impact of gender congruence and joy associated with access to gender affirming care and health more generally as an entry into fully living as a person.

  • Malachi Cote

    Person

    In the past year and a half, however, many families have come to the G H C experiencing fear of the potential loss of medically necessary care for their youth or teen or having lost access and looking to find it elsewhere. It has been an extremely stressful time for many families as parents and caregivers are typically only looking to support the growth and development and thriving of their child.

  • Malachi Cote

    Person

    This also has impacted adults as well. Just recently, our community support services team has worked with community members who have lost health care access and are scrambling to find health insurance to cover gender affirming care. So it is for these reasons that we support AB 1876, which would strengthen protections against discriminatory health coverage health coverage plans.

  • Malachi Cote

    Person

    It would ensure service coverage for all patient populations, and as such, we would preserve the autonomy of a person and their support systems to make medical decisions in collaboration with their medical providers and be self determined when it comes to their healthcare. So, it is for these reasons that we respectively ask for your aye vote, and solidify what works.

  • Thomas Umberg

    Legislator

    Thank you very much. Thank you. Alright. Thank you. Others in support of AB 1876, please approach the microphone.

  • Thomas Umberg

    Legislator

    If you wish to support AB 1876 with Me Too testimony, please approach the microphone.

  • Yarelie Magallon

    Person

    Good morning, Chair Yerely Magaion on behalf of the California Commission on Status of Women and Girls in support.

  • Thomas Umberg

    Legislator

    Thank you.

  • Malik Bynum

    Person

    Good morning, Mister Chair. Malik Bynum with the County Behavioral Health Directors Association in support. Thank you. Thank you.

  • Dan Okenfoss

    Person

    Thank you. Good morning. Dan Okenfoss with the California Foundation for Independent Living Centers in support.

  • Thomas Umberg

    Legislator

    Thank you.

  • Genesis Gonzalez

    Person

    Good morning. Genesis Gonzales on behalf of Lieutenant Governor Eleni Conallacas in support. Thank you.

  • Katie Vannides

    Person

    Katie Vannides with Health Access California in support and adding support for SKU California. Thank you.

  • Thomas Umberg

    Legislator

    Thank you.

  • Emily Patterson

    Person

    Good morning. Emily Patterson on behalf of Planned Parenthood Affiliates of California as a proud cosponsor in support. Thank you.

  • Rebecca Gonzales

    Person

    Rebecca Gonzales, Western Center on Law and Poverty in support.

  • Lizzie Guasona

    Person

    Good morning. Lizzie Guasona here on behalf of the California Academy of Child and Adolescent Psychiatry, the California State Association of Psychiatrists, and the City and County of San Francisco in support. Thank you.

  • Danny Therakol

    Person

    Danny Therakol on behalf of LGBTQ plus Inclusivity, Visibility, and Empowerment, also known as LIV, in support.

  • Thomas Umberg

    Legislator

    Thank you very much. Alright. Anyone else in support of AB 1876? Seeing no one else approached the microphone, let's turn to the opposition. If you're opposed to AB 1876, please approach the microphone.

  • Thomas Umberg

    Legislator

    The proponents use two minutes and thirteen seconds. So the floor is yours.

  • Nicole Young

    Person

    Nicole Young, Placer County, Moms for Liberty. This bill removes the medically necessary standard when it comes to treating someone rejecting their sexed body and replaces it with nondiscrimination language. If an insurer wants to stop covering sex rejecting surgeries and endocrine interventions on children as recommended by the Society of Plastic Surgeons, it must do it anyway.

  • Nicole Young

    Person

    The very organization whose standards of care insurers are now being forced to follow, WPATH, was sued last week by the FTC for making false and deceptive claims to parents about the effectiveness of sex rejecting procedures. This bill guarantees more girls like detransitioner Leila Jane, who despite having known severe mental health issues will have their breasts amputated at age 13.

  • Nicole Young

    Person

    More men like detransitioner Richard Anumi, a schizophrenic who had his penis spliced open and inverted to create a cavity paid for by Medi Cal wearing diapers followed. More men like detransitioner Brian of LA who despite being addicted to hard drugs was given estrogen. At our last hearing, Assemblywoman Addis called our witnesses hateful.

  • Nicole Young

    Person

    One, Lou Keeley, a detransitioner, told how he was groomed as a child to dress up like a female for men online, how he turned to drugs and alcohol as he sank deeper into the belief that he was a woman. You dismissed his pain.

  • Nicole Young

    Person

    We don't hate trans identified people. We feel acute sorrow for them because everybody, including their doctors, agreed that their body was wrong and that they needed a life of drugs and surgeries to be okay. That must be excruciating. True love is telling someone she was born perfect and remains so. Hate is forcing insurers to destroy somebody's body. Stand for the truth and vote no. Thank you.

  • Thomas Umberg

    Legislator

    Thank you very much. Others who are opposed to AB 1876.

  • Erin Friday

    Person

    Aaron Friday, attorney president of our duty. At the last hearing on this bill, author Adas stated that I trust this committee knows fact from fiction. So do Aye, because her statements are verifiably fiction. The author claims this bill just codifies existing federal affordable care act, but that's false. Biden's ruling extending the discrimination prohibition to gender identity was enjoined nationwide in Tennessee versus Visera.

  • Erin Friday

    Person

    The Biden rule was vacated in 2025. This bill will codify a rule that was struck down. This bill carries severe criminal penalties. A plan director can be fined up to $20,000 and face up to one year in prison. Civilly, the DMHC may impose a penalty of $25,000 per violation.

  • Erin Friday

    Person

    A plan medical director who applies honest clinical judgment is essentially mandated to cover the removal of healthy ovaries of a 13 year old girl because she thinks she's a boy. A medical director who refuses to cover drugs that will permit a male to excrete some type of chemical concoction from his nipples because he thinks he is female and wants to nurse a baby, must cover that abomination. A man claiming to need help with menopause must be treated as though he is really a post menzy female.

  • Erin Friday

    Person

    The fact is that every major systematic review of the evidence, including the cast review, has concluded that the science does not support these interventions on kids. California needs to catch up and admit that sex rejecting interventions are rooted in pseudoscience.

  • Erin Friday

    Person

    No one is born in the wrong body. Vote no.

  • Thomas Umberg

    Legislator

    Thank you. Others opposed AB 1876. Please approach the microphone.

  • Tanisha Herring

    Person

    Good morning. Apologies for my tiredness. Tanisha Herring on behalf of NAACP to sub strongly support AB 1876. Thank you.

  • Thomas Umberg

    Legislator

    Alright. Thank you. Anyone else who's testify on AB 1876? Bringing it back? There there are no questions.

  • Thomas Umberg

    Legislator

    Go ahead.

  • Katie Vannides

    Person

    No questions. I'm representing CAUSE Californians United for policy sex policy and sex based law. I I don't know the acronyms. I'm sorry. They're in opposition.

  • Thomas Umberg

    Legislator

    Thank you. Anyone else in opposition or support? AB 1876, seeing no one approach the microphone, bring it back to committee. I have no questions or comments. Assemblymember Addis, would you like to

  • Dawn Addis

    Legislator

    close? No. Just sure, I appreciate, you hearing the bill, and when there is a quorum, I respectfully ask for your aye vote.

  • Thomas Umberg

    Legislator

    I expect there will be a quorum, and I expect there'll be a motion and a vote. Thank you very much.

  • Dawn Addis

    Legislator

    Thank you so much.

  • Thomas Umberg

    Legislator

    Alright. Sooner Colusa. Sooner Colusa. Let's see. We only have 53 more bills to do.

  • Thomas Umberg

    Legislator

    We're on a roll. So file item number 15, AB 1650.

  • Jessica Caloza

    Legislator

    Thank you, Chair, and future members of the committee that I'm sure will listen back at this hearing. Thanks for the opportunity to present AB 1650 this morning. Thank you to the committee consultant, staff, and my principal co author, Assemblymember Liz Ortega, for their partnership and thoughtful work on this bill. I also wanna thank Cal Chamber and the opposition for their insight and guidance as we continue to strengthen this bill.

  • Jessica Caloza

    Legislator

    I will also be taking technical amendments to further strengthen the bill, like I mentioned, and address their concerns.

  • Jessica Caloza

    Legislator

    AB 1650 is about safety, transparency, and accountability. Since the summer of 2025, enforcement activities by ICE have intensified across our state from Los Angeles, Sacramento, San Diego, and San Francisco. These operations have raised serious concerns about oversight and safety. We have seen growing concern on the use of unmarked rental vehicles in enforcement operations that have involved arrest, detention, and transport of members of our community.

  • Jessica Caloza

    Legislator

    When vehicles used by government agencies lack proper identification, it becomes difficult for the public to distinguish between legitimate law enforcement and bad actors.

  • Jessica Caloza

    Legislator

    Additionally, inviting potential abuses of power in government given the absence of transparency or accountability in how these vehicles are being used. These practices create not just confusion, but fear. Fear for the public and fear for those who are being illegally faced with governmental force and violence. At the same time, rental car companies are finding themselves at the center of this issue. Their vehicles are being used in these operations without notification or consistent standards for safety and identification.

  • Jessica Caloza

    Legislator

    AB 1650 delivers a necessary and urgent step to safeguard our communities and restore trust in the leaders who are meant to serve and protect them. This bill ensures that any privately owned vehicle rented or leased to a government agency for the purposes of enforcement is clearly identifiable with decals. It also establishes enforcement mechanisms to ensure compliance and accountability.

  • Jessica Caloza

    Legislator

    With that, I'm proud to be joined by our witnesses, Mister Christian Ramirez, vice president of SEIU United Service Workers West, and Monica Madrid, state policy advocate coalition for human immigrant rights, also known as CHIRLA, who will testify for the importance of this measure. And for technical assistance, I have, attorney Noel Cavillo.

  • Thomas Umberg

    Legislator

    Thank you. Floor is yours.

  • Christian Ramirez

    Person

    Thank you, Mister Chair. I wanna thank Assemblyman Carlosa for introducing this important piece of legislation. Mister Chair, my name is Christian Ramirez. I am the vice president of SEIU United Service Workers West, and I'm also very proud to stand in support of AB 1650. Our union represents thousands of airport workers across California, passengers, service workers, security officers, sky caps, baggage handlers, cabin cleaners, janitors, and ramp and ground workers.

  • Christian Ramirez

    Person

    When millions of travelers come to our airports, it is our workers who make those airports work. It is our members who make it happen. That's why it's important that, as our workers are on the front lines of operating our state's airports, that they are safe, that they have the skills that they need to make sure that they are protected from government intrusion. And as the Assembly member mentioned, as ICE activity has intensified in our state, airport workers are increasingly faced with a troubling question.

  • Christian Ramirez

    Person

    How can we identify government authority if they arrive in a nonmarked vehicle?

  • Christian Ramirez

    Person

    For workers responsible for the safety and security of our airports, it creates confusion, it undermines trust, and makes it harder to do our jobs. And these are concerns that are not in theory. They happen every single day. Airport workers have taken these growing concerns to the picket lines, organizing rallies and standing up for workers' rights in immigrant communities who are addressing the overreach from ICE and border patrol in our communities.

  • Christian Ramirez

    Person

    They are demanding safe work spaces, accountability from those in power, and the dignity every worker deserves.

  • Christian Ramirez

    Person

    Furthermore, many of the workers who represent our immigrants come from immigrant families or live in mixed status families. It is important that in California, we uphold the right and dignity of all people. AB 1650 is about a basic principle. Government authority should be visible and accountable. If a government agency uses a rented or leased vehicle for enforcement purposes, that vehicle should be clearly identified.

  • Christian Ramirez

    Person

    Alright. Transparency protects workers, protects the public ...

  • Thomas Umberg

    Legislator

    Alright, Thank you very much I assume you're urging I vote.

  • Christian Ramirez

    Person

    Yes, sir.

  • Thomas Umberg

    Legislator

    Alright. Thank you. Others in support of AB 1650?

  • Monica Madrid

    Person

    Good morning, Mister Chair. My name is Monica Madrid. I'm a state policy advocate with the Coalition for Humane Immigrant Rights, CHIRLA. I'm here today to in support of AB 1650 by Assembly member Coloza. For many immigrant families, seeing individuals arrive in unmarked vehicles and conduct enforcement actions can be confusing and frightening.

  • Monica Madrid

    Person

    Often, people are off are left wondering who's carrying out this action and whether they're actually interacting with law enforcement. That uncertainty can create fear, mistrust, and unnecessary tension during an already stressful situation. For example, Los Angeles last year, community members reported multiple incidents where individuals in unmarked SUVs approached homes, leading residents to believe they were being targeted by unknown actors rather than law enforcement, prompting some families to avoid answering their doors or calling for help out of fear.

  • Monica Madrid

    Person

    These concerns have become increasingly common over the past year as immigrant communities have experienced heightened immigration enforcement activity, including large scale operations in Los Angeles. Through the LA Rapid Response Network, we regularly hear from community members who are unsure whether individuals conducting enforcement actions are law enforcement officers or if they arrive in unmarked or difficult to identify vehicles.

  • Monica Madrid

    Person

    AB 1650 is a simple transparency measure that helps address that concern. By requiring rental vehicles used by law enforcement for arrest, detentions, or transportation of individuals to display temporary identification, showing the agency operating the vehicle. By AB 1650 provides simple safeguard to ensure that community members can identify the agency conducting an enforcement an action that clear that clarity can help promoting, greater accountability and public trust. We respectfully ask for your aye vote when the time comes.

  • Monica Madrid

    Person

    Thank you. Thank you.

  • Thomas Umberg

    Legislator

    Thank you. Alright. Others in support of AB 1650, please approach the microphone.

  • Christopher Sanchez

    Person

    Good morning, Mister Chair. Christopher Sanchez with the Mesa Verde Group here on behalf of the Central American Resource Center, Credit Union. Strong support. Thank you.

  • Panorea Avdis

    Person

    Good morning. Panarea Aptis on behalf of the California Community Foundation in support. Thank you.

  • Thomas Umberg

    Legislator

    Thank you.

  • Navnit Puryear

    Person

    Good morning. Navneet Perrier on behalf of the California School Employees Association in support.

  • Thomas Umberg

    Legislator

    Thank you. Others in support, AB 1650. Please approach. Now, let's turn to the opposition. If you're opposed AB 1650, this would be a good time to approach the microphone.

  • Julio De Leon

    Person

    Good morning, Chair. My name is Lieutenant Julio De Leon from the Riverside Sheriff's Office. We'd like to thank the author for considering our concerns, and we are no longer opposed. Thank you.

  • Thomas Umberg

    Legislator

    Oh, alrighty. Thank you. Alright. Anyone else who wishes to testify on AB 1650, please approach the microphone other than other members of the Assembly. Okay.

  • Thomas Umberg

    Legislator

    Bring it back to committee. Committee has no questions or comments. I expect that I will vote aye at the appropriate time. Senator Coloza, would you like to close?

  • Jessica Caloza

    Legislator

    Thank you so much, Chair Umberg. Thank you again to our witnesses and everyone who worked on this bill, my team, the community for raising your voices. Thank you to Christian Ramirez, vice president of SEIU USWW, and Monica Madrid from CHIRLA, for your testimony. Thanks as well to opposition for their continued conversation, and our office looks forward to continuing to work together to strengthen, public trust, in what's going on right now. As I mentioned, AB 1650 is not about restriction.

  • Jessica Caloza

    Legislator

    It's about restoring trust, enforcing accountability, and ensuring that every act of law enforcement is grounded in the protection of basic human rights. No one should have to fear that a vehicle simply approaching them could put their safety at risk or harm them. This in turn certainty has no place in California, and it has no place in our government. For these reasons, I respectfully ask for your aye vote at the appropriate time. Thank you, Chair.

  • Thomas Umberg

    Legislator

    Thank you very much. I expect there'll be a motion and a vote. Thank you. Yeah. Alright.

  • Thomas Umberg

    Legislator

    Just for housekeeping purposes, we are now blessed with several members of the Assembly here. And the process here in Senate Judiciary is that we take items in file order. So if there's no authors here, we take the next author who appears in the committee hearing room. However, if someone who is ahead of you in the alphabet appears, then we will take that person unless that person cedes their position to someone else. So I see Assemblymember Ahrens here, floors yours.

  • Thomas Umberg

    Legislator

    Did I hear boos in the audience? Oh, okay. Alright. Assemblymember Ahrens

  • Patrick Ahrens

    Legislator

    Thank you.

  • Thomas Umberg

    Legislator

    This is file item number 5 AB 635.

  • Patrick Ahrens

    Legislator

    Thank you. File Item five, so that would be me next. Thank you. Thank you, Senator. I wanna begin by thanking your committee staff for their hard work. AB 635 is the culmination of two years of collaboration between my office, the mobile home residents throughout California, the Attorney General's Office, and the Department of Housing and Community Development.

  • Patrick Ahrens

    Legislator

    AB 635 originated with the State Auditor's recommendation to improve the Mobilehome Residency Law Protection Program overseen by HCD. This bill does that by becoming a grant-based program funded by mobile home residents themselves, which would eliminate barriers for qualified legal service providers who offer their legal assistance to mobile home residents. Under this law, HCD will refer complaints regarding the Mobilehome Residency Law, park closures, and local mobile home related laws to qualified LSPs within five days of receipt.

  • Patrick Ahrens

    Legislator

    This ensures timely access to those legal services, particularly when faced with potential eviction, which could mean losing or forfeiting your mobile home. These providers will then assess the complaints. LSP grants are funded by the Mobilehome Dispute Resolution Fund, a fund completely self-funded by mobile home residents at no cost to the state. Finally, the bill extends the program sunset date to ensure it does not expire prematurely at the end of this year, allowing HCD and the necessary time to implement a new process. From the time the first complaint is received under this improved grant system, the program will operate for three years.

  • Patrick Ahrens

    Legislator

    This will generate valuable data for the legislature and residents to assess this program's improvements. In summary, 635 preserves a crucial segment of California's affordable housing by strengthening the enforcement of existing mobile home laws. With me today is Beverly Purcell, a mobile home resident, who's here on behalf of GSMOL, and Roger Johnson, a mobile home resident. Wherever they are.

  • Patrick Ahrens

    Legislator

    Evidently not.

  • Thomas Umberg

    Legislator

    Alrighty. Thank you.

  • Thomas Umberg

    Legislator

    Witnesses? Any witnesses? Seeing no witnesses coming forward. Anyone who wishes to testify in support of AB 635, now would be a good time to approach. All right. Seeing no one approaching, let's turn to the opposit-- oh. One witness. All right. Please approach the microphone.

  • Patrick Ahrens

    Legislator

    Beverly, microphone.

  • Beverly Purcell

    Person

    Good morning, Chair and members of the committee. My name is Beverly Purcell, and I am a mobile home owner-resident representing the Golden State Manufactured Homeowners League, or GSMOL. We are proud sponsors of AB 635 as amended. Our members are seniors, veterans, and hardworking Californians of modest means. For many of us, our mobile home is our largest investment and source of our stability.

  • Beverly Purcell

    Person

    We own our homes, but rent the land they sit on, which makes us uniquely vulnerable. The Mobilehome Residency Law Protection Program is set to expire at the end of this year. This program, which we fund ourselves and operates at no cost to the state, is our guardrail against abuse. In 2023, the State Auditor concluded the program needs improvement. AB 635 protects our guardrail and improves a path forward.

  • Beverly Purcell

    Person

    This bill ensures that when our rights are violated, complaints are referred within five days to qualified nonprofit legal services and paid for from the funds we assess ourselves. AB 635 also allows for the aggregation of complaints, helping the state identify and stop systematic abuses by park owners much more efficiently. A protection written in law means little if we have no practical and affordable way to enforce it. AB 635 is about basic access to justice, stability, and peace of mind for mobile home residents. We respectfully ask for your consideration, and we thank you for your time.

  • Thomas Umberg

    Legislator

    Thank you very much. Others in support of AB 635, please approach the microphone.

  • Roger Johnson

    Person

    Morning, Chair and members. My name is Roger Johnson, and I'm here in strong support of AB 635. AB 635 is a critical piece of legislation for all mobile home residents. It will increase our ability to hold park management accountable when they violate the Mobilehome Residency Laws. Please help us to ensure more effective enforcement of the Mobilehome Residency Law and help with preventing unnecessary evictions, overcharging of utilities, lack of communication, lack of maintenance, and trustworthy landlord-tenant relationships.

  • Roger Johnson

    Person

    The over 1 million mobile and manufactured homeowners pay for the MRLPP and will continue to do so, but we need your help with these program improvements that make AB 635 better. While the state enforces laws to ensure the creation of new affordable housing, the state should also protect and preserve existing affordable housing for people like us. We are asking for your help. I'm also here to answer any questions that you might have, and thank you for your considerations and respectfully ask for your aye vote.

  • Thomas Umberg

    Legislator

    Thank you very much. All right. Others in support of AB 635, please approach the microphone. Seeing no one approaching. If you're opposed to AB 635, now is a good time to come forward. Going once, going twice. Nope. All right. Back to committee for questions or comments. There are none. Assembly Member Ahrens, would you like to close?

  • Patrick Ahrens

    Legislator

    Respectfully ask for your aye vote.

  • Thomas Umberg

    Legislator

    Alrighty. Thank you very much. At the appropriate time--and I expect there'll be a motion--I'll support the bill. All right. Now, I forgot to mention one other element in terms of how we proceed. Exercising chair-to-chair prerogative and reciprocity, Chair Kalra. Okay.

  • Unidentified Speaker 000
    ID Pending

    Thank you other Assemblymembers for waiting patiently. File item number 27, AB1697.

  • Ash Kalra

    Legislator

    Thank you, Mister Chair, and and and thank you for the for the grace in allowing me to go. So I can head back to Chair Asami Judish. AB1697 will extend the date from 2026 to 2027 for when employment contracts are subject and enforceable under AB692 and adds an urgency clause.

  • Ash Kalra

    Legislator

    AB 692 was signed into law last year to protect all workers from being subject to debt traps, stay or pay employment contract provisions, exit fees, pay to quit requirements, or whatever term of art employers use to force a payment when employee, when employ when an employee wants the freedom to work someplace else. Last year, AB692 was carefully crafted to include limited exceptions and allowances for when an employer would be allowed to claw back benefits received.

  • Ash Kalra

    Legislator

    It is also our intent to apply the bill retroactively so that future or pending claims a worker wants to enforce for the entire year 2026 would not be enforceable under a court order. I commit to working with those in the financial industry on a narrow allowance for inducements in some contracts offered to securities, broker dealers, or investment advisers that are registered or licensed.

  • Ash Kalra

    Legislator

    By moving the data a year, this bill fulfills the ask and the governor's signing message by giving all employers with the collective bargaining agreement, including the NFL, the ability to amend contracts or negotiate through collective bargaining and more time to comply with California's labor law. I respectfully ask for an aye vote.

  • Unidentified Speaker 000
    ID Pending

    Alrighty. Witness in support of AB1697. Please approach the microphone.

  • Unidentified Speaker 023
    ID Pending

    Yeah. Good morning, Mister chairman, members. Silvio Furrer on behalf of

  • Unidentified Speaker 005
    ID Pending

    the National Football League in support. Thank you.

  • Unidentified Speaker 017
    ID Pending

    Mister Chair, support if amended?

  • Unidentified Speaker 017
    ID Pending

    Okay. Joanne Bettencourt on behalf of CFMA, the Securities Industry and Financial Markets Association. We have a support if amended position on the bill. We've recently received proposed amendments language from Assemblymember Kalra. We appreciate that, his willingness to try to address our concerns.

  • Unidentified Speaker 000
    ID Pending

    Sure.

  • Unidentified Speaker 017
    ID Pending

    However, the language is not quite there yet. For example, it includes a provision that any repayment obligation would not be subject to interest accrual, and we simply cannot do this. Federal tax law requires a minimum interest rate on promissory notes and forgivable loans. Without it, the IRS can recharacterize the arrangement as immediately taxable income or impose imputed interest to both the detriment to the financial advisor. We're hopeful that we can and there are also some important technical clarifications that need to be addressed.

  • Unidentified Speaker 017
    ID Pending

    We're hopeful that we can all agree on language in the near term, and we appreciate and look forward to the continued dialogue. Thank you.

  • Unidentified Speaker 000
    ID Pending

    Alrighty. Thank you. Anyone else in support of AB1697? Seeing no one approach, let's turn the opposition. If you're opposed to AB1697, now is the time.

  • Unidentified Speaker 000
    ID Pending

    Okay. Seeing no one approaching, bring it back to committee for questions or comments. Just one quick comment. I know we addressed this issue last year, and I have a great deal of sympathy, for example, for a traveling nurse that moves and is provided, for example, moving expenses and then has to return to their place of origin because of family emergency, some other unforeseen or unintended event.

  • Unidentified Speaker 000
    ID Pending

    I don't have a whole lot of sympathy for someone who's paid a million dollars and receives movie expenses and then decides once they arrive at that location to move to a different investment bank.

  • Unidentified Speaker 000
    ID Pending

    And I know you're working on this this situation, Chair Kalra, and I appreciate that. And I know that you, always do work in good faith to resolve legitimate concerns. So, with that, would you like to close?

  • Ash Kalra

    Legislator

    Thank you, Mister Chair, to you and your staff also for allowing me the grace and opportunity to continue to work on these items. I think that, you you reflected the place we're in quite accurately. We expect we ask for an aye vote at the appropriate time.

  • Unidentified Speaker 000
    ID Pending

    Alright. Thank you. I will, support the bill at the appropriate time, and I expect there'll be a motion. Thank you very much, Mister Chair.

  • Ash Kalra

    Legislator

    Thank you.

  • Unidentified Speaker 000
    ID Pending

    Thanks. Alright. Now, back to the order. I believe I have

  • Ash Kalra

    Legislator

    one more, Mister Shire.

  • Unidentified Speaker 000
    ID Pending

    Oh, I'm sorry. That's okay. Go ahead.

  • Ash Kalra

    Legislator

    Yeah. I think

  • Unidentified Speaker 000
    ID Pending

    it You've got judiciary bills. Yes.

  • Ash Kalra

    Legislator

    Yes. AB 2784?

  • Thomas Umberg

    Legislator

    Yes. And Yep. And also AB 2782?

  • Ash Kalra

    Legislator

    Oh, that's yeah. I think that one also got pulled. Yes. Which one would you like me to start with?

  • Ash Kalra

    Legislator

    Okay. AB 2784 Okay. Is the annual bill to authorize the State Bar of California to collect licensing fees from attorneys. The good news is this year's bill does not contain a fee increase and holds the fees flat. The bill also finishes the formal separation of the former sections of the state bar now known as the California Lawyers Association from the state bar.

  • Thomas Umberg

    Legislator

    Whichever one you'd like.

  • Ash Kalra

    Legislator

    Starting in 2030, CLA will have to collect its own dues. And starting in 2028, the CLA foundation will no longer receive state bar sponsored affinity funds. This change is driven largely by the need to address a recent US Supreme Court decision regarding the bar's sovereign immunity. The bill also updates the reporting and handling of attorney convictions by the bar's discipline system and makes numerous other technical changes.

  • Ash Kalra

    Legislator

    I would note that staff for both committees have heard from several attorneys focusing on the state bar's handling of disability access requests related to the bar exam, tried trying to better understand the scope of the issue.

  • Ash Kalra

    Legislator

    The 2024 bar fee bill commissioned a report on the topic from the bar that is due back later this summer. So any statutory response to that report is premature at this time, but we'll certainly get on top of that as soon as we get that report back and respectfully ask for an aye vote. Thank you, Heather.

  • Thomas Umberg

    Legislator

    Those in support, AB 2784.

  • Donna Hershkowitz

    Person

    Good morning, Mister Chair. Donna Hershkowitz on behalf of the State Bar of California in support. In addition to authorizing licensing fees for 2027, the bill includes operational and governance improvements to support the State Bar's public protection efforts, improve consumer protection, and also to further the State Bar's regulatory responsibilities.

  • Donna Hershkowitz

    Person

    In light of the length of your agenda and the, completeness of your committee analysis, I'll leave it at that and just ask for your support, and I'm happy to answer any questions since State Bar is the subject of the bill.

  • Thomas Umberg

    Legislator

    Alrighty. Thank you very much. Others in support of AB 2784, going once, going twice. If you're opposed to AB 2784, please approach. Seeing no one approaching, this is a miracle.

  • Thomas Umberg

    Legislator

    So

  • Ash Kalra

    Legislator

    I that's what I do, Chair. Alright.

  • Thomas Umberg

    Legislator

    Thank you. This has been a continuing challenge. I actually applaud the bar for for the improvements in a number of different areas over the course of the last several years. And just making sure you've accepted the amendments? Okay.

  • Thomas Umberg

    Legislator

    Alright. Thank you. The appropriate time, there'll be a motion. Thank you. Thank you.

  • Ash Kalra

    Legislator

    Yes. Thank you.

  • Thomas Umberg

    Legislator

    Alright. Chair, next bill.

  • Ash Kalra

    Legislator

    AB 2782 is the Assembly Judiciary Committee civil omnibus bill. This bill contains numerous minor updates to various code sections within the jurisdiction of of our prospective committees, Thus saving us from hearing at least a dozen other bills. The changes in AB 2782 are fairly minor and generally clarifying in nature. No opposition. Respectfully asked for an aye vote.

  • Thomas Umberg

    Legislator

    Thank you very much. Anyone who wish to testify in support of AB 2782, anyone who's opposed to semicolons versus commas, please come forward. Seeing no one approaching. If you're opposed to semicolons versus commas, please approach the microphone now. If you're opposed AB 2782.

  • Thomas Umberg

    Legislator

    Alright. Seeing no one coming forward, would you like to close, Mister Chair?

  • Ash Kalra

    Legislator

    Respect for you, Oscar and I vote. Thank you.

  • Thomas Umberg

    Legislator

    Expect there'll be a motion and a vote as soon as we have a quorum. Thank you. Alright. Now, Assembly member Carrillo, file number 16 AB2662.

  • Juan Carrillo

    Legislator

    Thank you, Mr. Chair. Thank you for allowing me to present Assembly bill 2662. On 01/07/2025, the first ICE raid took place in Bakersfield in Kern County. Since that day, we have continued to see this federal administration detain not only immigrants, but also United States citizens. In many of these cases, agents from the US Immigration and Customs Enforcement acted without warrants, without due process, and without allowing individual access to phone calls, their families, or legal representation.

  • Juan Carrillo

    Legislator

    That is not how justice is supposed to work in this country. In my own district, we saw two ICE raids just last year, and the fear they created did not stay local. It spread across California. Families were shaken, communities were disrupted, and trust was deeply damaged. That is why AB 2662 is so important.

  • Juan Carrillo

    Legislator

    This is a modest common sense measure that would establish a formal process for California to monitor and document federal enforcement actions, assess their impacts in our communities, and issue public reports. It will also allow us to commend legislative responses to prevent the kind of rogue and dangerous behavior we're increasingly seen from federal law enforcement agencies. There should be no place in this nation where such actions are considered acceptable, and there must be accountability for those who violate the rights and protections or democracy guarantees.

  • Juan Carrillo

    Legislator

    ABB 2,662 is a step forward. It acknowledges what we are seeing is no longer isolated.

  • Juan Carrillo

    Legislator

    It is becoming normalized. And if we are serious about upholding our democratic ideals, then we have responsibility to act. Members are respectful as for a nice vote, and I don't know if my yeah. My witness is here. One of them is here.

  • Juan Carrillo

    Legislator

    She is Catalina Sanchez with the California Rural Legal Assistance Foundation to speak in support of the bill. Alright.

  • Thomas Umberg

    Legislator

    Thank you. Ms. Sanchez, floor is yours.

  • Catalina Sanchez

    Person

    Hi. Good morning. Sorry. Good morning. Catalina Sanchez of the California Rural Legal Assistance Foundation.

  • Catalina Sanchez

    Person

    Sorry. I just booked it up here. For over forty years, the CLA Foundation has provided, excuse me, has advocated for farm workers and low wage workers and mixed status families. Apologies again. I just ran up here.

  • Catalina Sanchez

    Person

    We provide outreach services and high quality legal assistance on constitutional rights, family emergency planning, immigration fraud awareness, and the naturalization process. We speak in support of AB 2662. Immigration enforcement has had a chilling effect throughout every corner of California. The likelihood is high for families, adults, youth, children to have some exposure to immigration enforcement.

  • Catalina Sanchez

    Person

    A dad getting pulled over on his way to work, a sister getting pulled over on her way to a medical appointment, or perhaps someone on their way to the courthouse to access the justice system.

  • Catalina Sanchez

    Person

    Individuals who are getting detained are the exact scenarios where Californians are vulnerable and have had violations of their civil liberties over the last year and a half. Even in this climate, rural legal services does continue to encourage naturalization, especially for individuals who do not have a prior record. Over the last year and a half, rural legal services programs have seen immigration cases where under previous practices would be granted have now been taken off calendar and are going through a much more arduous screening process.

  • Catalina Sanchez

    Person

    When this bill was heard in the Assembly Judiciary Committee, at that time, immigration applicants had begun getting detained at USCIS biometric appointments, for naturalization, and as a result, immigration attorneys have needed to re review their client cases to ensure maximum due process rates. And of most importance to us is to do everything that we can to keep families together, so we urge your support on AB 222662.

  • Catalina Sanchez

    Person

    Thank you.

  • Thomas Umberg

    Legislator

    Thank you very much. Others in support of a B26 62, please come forward. Seeing no one coming forward, if you wish to testify, as me too's under a concerning AB 2662, now's a good time. Seeing no one coming forward, let's turn the opposition. If you're opposed to AB 2662, please come forward.

  • Thomas Umberg

    Legislator

    Going once, going twice. Alright. Bring it back to committee for me to ask questions. I have no questions or comments. Assemblymember Carrillo, would you like to close?

  • Juan Carrillo

    Legislator

    Thank you, Mr. Chair. At appropriate time, I request, an aye vote. Thank you very much.

  • Thomas Umberg

    Legislator

    Alright. Thank you. And I I will do so. Alright. Thank you very much.

  • Thomas Umberg

    Legislator

    Assemblymember Pacheco, thank you for your patience. No one sneaked in ahead of you. Your next file item number 36, AB 2235.

  • Blanca Pacheco

    Legislator

    Thank you, and thank you, Mister Chair. Today, I am presenting AB 2235. I wanna start by thanking the committee staff for their work on this bill. As stated in the analysis, should the bill get out today, we will be amending to address the concerns with stakeholders. Violence and threats against judges have risen sharply with thousands of incidents reported in recent years and a significant increase since 2015.

  • Blanca Pacheco

    Legislator

    As a result, many judges and their families fear for their safety. At the same time, judges' home addresses remain is easily accessible through public records and online and online databases, creating a direct pathway for bad actors to locate them and their families. Existing privacy protections in California are insufficient to prevent the widespread dissemination of this sensitive information, particularly when it originates from government sources. This gap leaves judges exposed to targeted harassment, intimidation, and potential violence at their homes.

  • Blanca Pacheco

    Legislator

    AB 2235, the Judicial Home Security Act allows judges to use an alternate mailing address in public records while preserving legitimate access for business, legal, and law enforcement purposes.

  • Blanca Pacheco

    Legislator

    This approach strikes a careful balance between transparency and safety, ensuring public records remain functional without compromising personal security. Given escalating threats and vulnerabilities, AB 2,235 is a necessary and measured step to protect the judiciary and uphold the integrity of the justice system. And with me today to testify in support is Cliff Costa on behalf of the California Judges Association.

  • Thomas Umberg

    Legislator

    Alrighty. Thank you very much. Mister Costa.

  • Cliff Costa

    Person

    Mister Chair and, well, I I would say senators. Cliff Costa today on behalf of the California Judges Association. First, we'd like to thank the committee and the committee consultant for her hard work on this. We truly appreciate it. We have been in a variety of stakeholder conversations on AB 2235.

  • Cliff Costa

    Person

    The mission here is clear. About twenty five years ago, the California Judges Association participated on an attorney general task force to try to look at places where vulnerabilities occurred for security related to elected and appointed officials, including judges. At that time, the property records that are housed at the local recorder and assessor's offices was seen as a vulnerability, but no solution came forth at that time. Since then, the California Judges Association has been working with, our local recorders and assessors to try to address issues.

  • Cliff Costa

    Person

    And what you see in the analysis are amendments that we have been working with those stakeholders.

  • Cliff Costa

    Person

    We appreciate the hard work the stakeholders has come. The fact that technology has gotten us to a place where we think we can begin to start address these issues. And AB 2235 attempts to do that as the assemblywoman laid out. It would create a judicial home security act to allow judges to identify themselves and their family members as being vulnerable to these threats.

  • Cliff Costa

    Person

    We look forward to continuing to work on issues both with the committee as well as with stakeholders, and I respectfully ask your aye vote when you have a quorum.

  • Thomas Umberg

    Legislator

    Thank you very much. Others in support of AB 2235, now is a good time to come forward. Seeing no one else coming forward, let's turn to the opposition. If you're opposed to AB 2235, please come forward. Alright.

  • Larissa Mercado

    Person

    Good morning. Larissa Mercado on behalf of the California Recorders Association and the California Assessors Association with an opposed and submitted position. I wanna echo the sponsor. We appreciate the sponsors and the author's office and committee staff for working with us. For the recorders, we are very close to getting to a place where the bill is feasible for our operations.

  • Larissa Mercado

    Person

    For the assessor's side, we're still massaging through some amendments, but we look forward to working with the author's office and the sponsors to get to a place where works for us. So thank you.

  • Thomas Umberg

    Legislator

    Thank you very much. Alright. Anyone else opposed AB 2235? Seeing no one coming forward, thank you very much, Assembly Member Pacheco. This is a really important issue.

  • Thomas Umberg

    Legislator

    Making sure that the judges can serve all of us securely, safely, and their families are safe and secure is is critically important. He hits home for me. One of my closest friends, Washington state judge, a criminal defendant came to his door and threw acid in his face, really devastating and also very intimidating to other judges. So I appreciate you coming forward. I also appreciate you working with the opposition to make sure that not only do we send a message, but it's also can be practically implemented.

  • Thomas Umberg

    Legislator

    And with that, would you like to close?

  • Blanca Pacheco

    Legislator

    Thank you. And thank you, Mister Chair. At the appropriate time, I respectfully ask for your eyeball.

  • Thomas Umberg

    Legislator

    Alrighty. Thank you very much.

  • Blanca Pacheco

    Legislator

    Thank you.

  • Thomas Umberg

    Legislator

    I expect there will be. Alright. Assemblymember Crowell. I think you were next. Yes?

  • Thomas Umberg

    Legislator

    File item number 32AB1544.

  • Maggy Krell

    Legislator

    Hi. Good morning, Senator. Thanks for having me today. I'm pleased to present Assembly Bill 1544 this morning. This is an important an important measure to make sure that we don't, backslide on our constitutional obligations to keep our courthouses open and accessible to the public.

  • Maggy Krell

    Legislator

    We've seen across the country and right here in Sacramento an immigration court being closed to attorneys, to members of the press, and to family members during immigration proceedings. This was a federal proceeding. This can happen in state court too, and Assembly Bill 1544 just ensures that we don't backslide on our commitment at all, that we do everything we can for, transparency and trust in our, democratic institutions like our courthouses. Respectfully ask for your aye vote at the appropriate time.

  • Thomas Umberg

    Legislator

    Thank you very much. Just one item of note, there are no other authors that are present in Room 2100. So if a member of the Assembly, appears there's a very good chance that they'll be able to walk right up to the podium. Alright. Bring it back.

  • Thomas Umberg

    Legislator

    Oh, well, I'm let me let me turn to support and opposition. If you're in support of AB 1544, please approach the microphone. If you're in support, please approach. If you're opposed to AB 1544, please approach the microphone.

  • Julio De Leon

    Person

    Good afternoon, Chair. My name is, Lieutenant Julio Delli on behalf of the Riverside County Sheriff's Office. We aren't opposed to the substance of the bill. However, we are opposed to the enforcement arm of the bill. Let me provide you with analogy.

  • Julio De Leon

    Person

    The rule that is imposed here, 2 witnesses, 2 minutes each, is a court rule, not a state rule. If we were to apply this bill to that rule, if I were to enforce that as a peace officer, I would be facing not only disciplinary action from the legislature, my department, but also, SB a potential SB 2 violation, which triggers a whole host of other consequences for peace officers.

  • Julio De Leon

    Person

    When we are, alleged to have violated someone's civil rights, that imposes not only internal investigation, but also external investigations through Post. Post is required to investigate that matter, and we could potentially lose our ability to become a peace officer or be a peace officer in the state of California for the rest of our lives. So the consequence is is, disproportionate and whole it's very serious for peace officers.

  • Julio De Leon

    Person

    We do not impose these rules. That is the sole jurisdiction of the presiding judge, not us. We rarely have any role in drafting those rules or advising on those rules. Those are just imposed upon us and we are now faced with the if this bill passes, we are now faced with the to choose between the better two evils. One, face, consequences internally, or number two, if we enforce these rules, now we're also facing external investigations through post.

  • Julio De Leon

    Person

    For those reasons, we are opposed. Thank you.

  • Thomas Umberg

    Legislator

    Alrighty. Thank you. Others opposed to AB 1544? Going once, going twice. Alright.

  • Thomas Umberg

    Legislator

    We're gonna bring it back to committee. I don't have any questions. I assume Assemblymember Krell, you will continue to work to make sure that this bill is workable. Would you like to close?

  • Maggy Krell

    Legislator

    Absolutely.

  • Maggy Krell

    Legislator

    I will respond briefly to the point the opposition raised. I mean, this is a civil right with a civil remedy. There are circumstances where members of the public can be shut out of courthouses. As a prosecutor, there were situations where there were folks who were threatening victims and judges had to make, in one of my cases, a specific ruling.

  • Maggy Krell

    Legislator

    So there are circumstances where that occurs, but without those circumstances, the idea that a court would be closed out from the public, you know, is something that we need to be able to stop.

  • Maggy Krell

    Legislator

    And I think this is the right, civil remedy, in order to enforce a constitutional right, especially as for your aye vote.

  • Thomas Umberg

    Legislator

    Alrighty. Thank you very much. At the appropriate time, I expect there'll be a motion. I I will, vote aye. Alright.

  • Thomas Umberg

    Legislator

    Thank you very much. There are no other authors that are present. So the next member of the California State Assembly who comes into Room 2100 who has a bill pending before Senate judiciary may walk right up to the podium. So especially if your last name is in the bottom half of the alphabet, now's a really good time to appear. One other administrative announcement.

  • Thomas Umberg

    Legislator

    We'll be, recessing at noon for, our respective caucuses. I expect that recess will go from noon to 01:30 or thirteen thirty for you military folks. I I am reminded by chief counsel that, at 01:30, I will be over in Assembly Judiciary presenting, SB 653. That one too. Six two Six twenty three.

  • Thomas Umberg

    Legislator

    Six twenty three. And I'll hand the gavel over to the vice Chair.

  • Thomas Umberg

    Legislator

    Six twenty three. And I'll hand the gavel over to the vice Chair.

  • Thomas Umberg

    Legislator

    Assemblymember Bonta. Thank you. Oh, very close, but Assemblymember Banta was more fleet afoot.

  • Mia Bonta

    Legislator

    Alright. Forgive those that passed me in the hallway just now. I was not being rude. I was just trying to be intentional about my

  • Thomas Umberg

    Legislator

    like to see the bumping and checking outside. Alright. Assemblymember Banta. File number 13, AB 2624.

  • Mia Bonta

    Legislator

    Thank you so much, Chair. AB 2624, the Safe at Work Act, expands California's safe at home program to include immigrant service providers, their employees, and volunteers. This program allows participants to use a substitute address designated by the secretary of state keeping their home, work, and school addresses out of public records while still allowing them to safely receive mail and legal documents through the state.

  • Mia Bonta

    Legislator

    This gives them a critical layer of protection and privacy in an environment where their personal safety is increasingly at risk. Individuals who provide vital immigrant support services, including legal aid, humanitarian relief, case management, and advocacy, are facing targeted harassment.

  • Mia Bonta

    Legislator

    This is not hypothetical. Advocates and workers are receiving death rates, being targeted at courthouses, and facing coordinated online docs and campaigns, even facing the vitriol at their home. These threats have risen sharply in 2025 and are expected to continue due to the current political climate. At the same time, personal information is increasingly easy to access. Data brokers collect and sell information from public records, and social media can allow individuals to piece together identifying details.

  • Mia Bonta

    Legislator

    This makes it easier for bad actors to threaten or harm them, those who are simply doing their jobs. Advocates in California have faced significant threats. Doxxing and staff of volunteers at immigration legal aid organizations coordinated death threats against service providers, anti immigrant vigilante activity directed at organizations by name and address. This is the context we are working in right now. So organizations serving LGBTQ plus and immigrant communities commonly hide their locations, staff information, and other details to keep their teams and their people safe.

  • Mia Bonta

    Legislator

    Currently, California State law does not provide adequate protections for their sensitive data and information, leaving immigrant advocates and service providers vulnerable. And general privacy laws act after the fact, after harm has already occurred and were not designed to address the coordinated online politically motivated harassment they are now seeing. This bill protects sensitive personal data in the way that empowers people to do their jobs safely and confidently under the secretary of State's safe at home program before harm occurs.

  • Mia Bonta

    Legislator

    Since its inception nearly thirty years ago, the safe at home program has protected thousands of victims of stalking and domestic violence victims along with reproductive health workers and gender affirming care providers. The confidentially confidentiality program continues to work.

  • Mia Bonta

    Legislator

    It provides participants with a substitute address, requires the secretary of state to act as an intermediary for me mail and legal service, forwarding documents within a short time frame, and keeps individual participants' home, work, and schedule and school addresses confidential and protected from public disclosure. No one should face harassment or threats at their home or work. This legislation helps prevent individuals with malicious intent from targeting those providers where they live, work, or and reduces the risk of escalation to violence, bodily harm, or worse.

  • Mia Bonta

    Legislator

    For the sake of time, I will move to, those who are testifying in support of this bill. We have Monica Madrid with the Coalition for Humane Immigrant Rights, Ruth Rososa Martinez, Senior Policy Strategist with Power California Action.

  • Mia Bonta

    Legislator

    Both Ruth and Monica are Immigrant Economic Justice Fellows with the Solis Policy Institute with the Women's Foundation of California.

  • Thomas Umberg

    Legislator

    Alrighty. Thank you. The floor is yours.

  • Monica Madrid

    Person

    Good afternoon, Chair and members. My name is or Chair. My name is Monica Madrid, and I am a state policy advocate with the Coalition for Humane Immigrant Rights, CHILA, and an immigrant economic justice fellow with the Solis Policy Institute at the Women's Foundation of California. I'm here as a proud cosponsor of AB2624 by Assemblymember Bonta. AB2624 expands a safe at home program to include immigrant serving organizations and workers, and workers who face growing threats because of the communities they serve.

  • Monica Madrid

    Person

    For organizations like CHIRLA, these threats are not theoretical. We have experienced incidences where individuals followed staff in the Sacramento and San Bernardino offices because of the work they're supporting, immigrant communities.

  • Monica Madrid

    Person

    And at our Los Angeles offices, including yesterday just yesterday, we've had various incidences where individuals have followed staff into the building, attempted to access restricted areas, and our intake lines have received threatening messages and individuals have been have even shown up at the home of the family member of our our executive director looking for our executive director. These incidents are occurring during a time of heightened hostility towards immigrants and the organizations that serve them.

  • Monica Madrid

    Person

    As immigrant serving organizations continue providing legal services, know your rights education, rapid response, and humanitarian assistance, staff are increasingly concerned at their personal information, could be used to harass, intimidate, or harm them and and their families.

  • Monica Madrid

    Person

    AB 2,624 provides a practical and proven solution by allowing eligible individuals to participate in the safe at home program. The bill helps protect home address information while preserving accountability and transparency. No one should have to choose between serving their community and protecting their family's safety. California long has recognized that certain individuals face elevated risk because of their work, and immigrant serving organizations deserve access to these same protections. Thank you.

  • Monica Madrid

    Person

    And when the time is present happens, we respectfully ask for your aye vote.

  • Thomas Umberg

    Legislator

    Alright. Thank you very much. Other than support of AB 2624, please approach the microphone.

  • Ruth Martinez

    Person

    Good morning, Chair. Ruth Sosa Martinez on behalf of Power California Action and also a fellow with the Solis Policy Institute. Power Power California Action serves young people and working families with deep roots in immigration in immigrant communities across the state. As the daughter of immigrants myself and someone who works closely with other organizations, many who have become increasingly concerned about the safety of their staff, volunteers, and community leaders. For Power California Action, these concerns are not hypothetical.

  • Ruth Martinez

    Person

    In the past year, our own Board Members have been targeted in docs for the work that they do in their communities. We've had to become more intentional about how we protect the privacy and security of our staff, our our youth leaders, our volunteers, and even the staff of our partner organizations, which diverts time, energy, and resources away from our core work and mission. We aren't the only organization who has been taking a lot of these precautionary measures.

  • Ruth Martinez

    Person

    We're also concerned about the message that this sends to the next generation of immigration advocates, attorneys, and organizers, and other service providers. We work very closely with a lot of young adults who wanna pursue careers in public service and community advocacy, but when they see people being harassed, doxxed, or threatened simply for being, for helping immigrant communities access services and exercise their rights, these careers begin begin to feel unsafe and unattainable to them.

  • Ruth Martinez

    Person

    One of the students who we work with, who provided testimony in a previous committee, whose name I will, omit, he's a JD candidate, and he's an aspiring immigration attorney. He was able to, share in a previous hearing how fearful him and some of his, classmates who are in the immigration clinic, have been to enter the field. The dreams that they once had as children to serve their community have now become, with have now come with overwhelming fear, for them and their family's safety and well-being.

  • Ruth Martinez

    Person

    Privacy isn't an abstract issue, and for many people, it's what allows them to continue showing up for their communities without worrying that they or their families will become targets.

  • Thomas Umberg

    Legislator

    Alrighty. Thank you very much. I do. You urge an aye vote, I'll bet.

  • Monica Madrid

    Person

    I do.

  • Thomas Umberg

    Legislator

    Alright. Thank you. Okay. Others in support of ABB twenty six twenty four.

  • Panorea Avdis

    Person

    Hi. Good morning. Panarea Abdes on behalf of the California Community Foundation in support.

  • Thomas Umberg

    Legislator

    Thank you.

  • Rebecca Gonzales

    Person

    Rebecca Gonzales, Western Center on Law and Poverty in support.

  • Thomas Umberg

    Legislator

    Thank you.

  • Jason Hanel

    Person

    Jason Hanel on behalf of ASPE California, support.

  • Thomas Umberg

    Legislator

    Thank you. Anyone else in support of AB 2624?

  • Ruth Martinez

    Person

    Sorry. Also on behalf of Unidos US in support.

  • Thomas Umberg

    Legislator

    Thank you. Anyone else in support of AB 2624? Now is a good time to approach. Let's turn the opposition. If you're opposed to AB 2624, please come forward.

  • Thomas Umberg

    Legislator

    Seeing no one coming forward, let's bring it back to me. I have no questions or comments. At the appropriate time, I will vote aye. Would you like to close?

  • Mia Bonta

    Legislator

    Thank you so much, Chair, for your, allowing us to be able to have this heard in its fifth policy committee on its way to its sixth. I respectfully request your aye vote.

  • Thomas Umberg

    Legislator

    Alright. Thank you very much. As I said, at appropriate time, there'll be a motion. Thank you. Alright.

  • Thomas Umberg

    Legislator

    Now, as I mentioned a moment ago, yes. Assembly member Aguiar Curry, you're up next. Is that we're blessed with several authors now, but we go in and file order. So Assemblymember Aguiar Curry, floor is yours. And that would be file item number 4 AB1857.

  • Cecilia Aguiar-Curry

    Legislator

    Thank you, Mr. Chair and imaginary members. I would like to thank the Chair and the committee for their work on this bill. In 2023, the California declared access to food is a human right. But for many people, that right still isn't a reality. Today, more than one in five Californians ex experiencing hunger.

  • Cecilia Aguiar-Curry

    Legislator

    Nearly 3,000,000 low income Californians live in food deserts and do not have reliable access to affordable healthy food. The vulnerability to food deserts can be made worse by practices used by individual players in the grocery industry. When a grocery store closes or relocates, they sometimes leave behind restrictive covenants that could keep new grocery stores from moving in. These restrictive covenants are clauses in leases or property agreements that limit what businesses can operate on a site.

  • Cecilia Aguiar-Curry

    Legislator

    In some cases, restrictive covenants prohibit future grocery store use for anywhere from fifteen to, in some cases, to fifty years.

  • Cecilia Aguiar-Curry

    Legislator

    This leaves entire communities without a nearby option for fresh healthy food. As a result, residents are forced to rely on smaller stores with fewer healthy choices and often higher prices. This can lead to serious health consequences. Limited access to nutritious food is linked to higher rates of obesity, diabetes, heart disease, and premature death. Access to healthy food is essential for public health, but these practices continue to lock many communities out, especially in small cities and rural areas.

  • Cecilia Aguiar-Curry

    Legislator

    And communities of color. Not everyone can drive miles to another store or moving a grocery store across town is not always a real solution. We need to stop these practices from happening and restore access to grocery stores in underserved communities. This bill provides a local government process to strike a restrictive covenant that's keeping a grocery store from moving into a vacant property. This is a practical step to restore access to healthy food and support communities that have been left behind.

  • Cecilia Aguiar-Curry

    Legislator

    With me today, I have Daja Thomas with LA Food Policy Council and Beth Smoker on behalf of the California Food and Farm Network. We also have loyal Terry here with for economic security California for technical questions.

  • Thomas Umberg

    Legislator

    Alrighty. Thank you. Closures.

  • Deja Thomas

    Person

    Thank you. Good morning. My name is Daja Thomas, manager of strategic partnerships at the LA Food Policy Council and a resident of LA Senate District twenty eight. LA Food Policy Council is a collective impact organization whose mission is to ensure food is healthy, affordable, accessible, sustainable, and fair for all. We do this by working at the intersection of food and nutrition security, economic development, and environmental sustainability, Today, I'm speaking in support of AB 1857, the grocery store access act.

  • Deja Thomas

    Person

    We know structural barriers to grocery access, compounded by economic uncertainty, contribute heavily to food insecurity. A USC study in 2025 found that roughly one in three low income residents in LA County experienced food insecurity. That number is unacceptably high and it's higher than pre pandemic levels. That is to say that low income communities, as well as Latino, black, and elderly communities are worse off today than we were eight years ago when it comes to this issue.

  • Deja Thomas

    Person

    I see countless partners every day working for decades with their community to bring quality and affordable food to our most disinvested neighborhoods.

  • Deja Thomas

    Person

    Their on the ground work needs to be paired with real structural change. AB 1857 aims to eliminate a structural barrier that prevents or slows down all the amazing people in our city, county, and region, working hard to open and scale grocery stores for food and secure communities. If you drive throughout LA, you'll see a number of grocery stores that have abandoned low income communities over the past five years. Surrounded by a dense neighborhood that is deserving of accessible quality food.

  • Deja Thomas

    Person

    LA Food Policy Council and our Good Food Economy Working Group urge you to pass AB 1857 out of committee.

  • Deja Thomas

    Person

    We see this as just one piece of repairing decades of harm that ensures all Angelenos and Californians have dignified and responsive access to health and wellness via food in our communities. Thank you for your time and consideration.

  • Thomas Umberg

    Legislator

    Thank you. Perfect timing. Thank you very much. Alright. Next witness, please.

  • Beth Smoker

    Person

    Good morning, Chair. My name is Beth Smoker with the California Food and Farming Network. As a cross sector network of 50 organizations working upstream to address food insecurity by removing exploitive market well-being first, we are a proud cosponsor of AB 1857. Food prices have risen nearly 30% since 2020.

  • Beth Smoker

    Person

    A grocery cart of basics, bread, chicken, vegetables that cost $34 in 2019 costs $50 today. We keep hearing prices went up because of supply chains, the pandemic, tariffs, but the Economic Policy Institute found that over half of recent price increases were driven by corporate grocery profit margins. As grocery chains consolidate, they've used their market dominance to raise prices beyond inflation. Meanwhile, Albertsons profits grew nearly tenfold, and Kroger's surged from 5.1 to 6,800,000,000 in five years.

  • Beth Smoker

    Person

    Restrictive covenants are one tactic grocery stores use to eliminate competition and lock in those high prices, and AB 1857 removes this tactic.

  • Beth Smoker

    Person

    In food deserts, this food affordability crisis compounds. Residents are forced to rely on convenience stores where food can cost 50 to a 100% more with fewer healthy options. In Vallejo, a Safeway closure with a restrictive covenant left a neighborhood without a grocery store for fifteen years. A community member Harabedian entire childhood was spent without one nearby, costing families their money and time, which are two fundamental barriers to healthy living.

  • Beth Smoker

    Person

    AB 57 AB 1857 would prevent this from happening to another community ever again by prohibiting the use of grocery restrictive covenants in the state, a small but bold step in addressing public health when even a single experience of childhood hunger can have lifelong impacts.

  • Beth Smoker

    Person

    And food insecurity drives over $7,000,000,000 in annual health care costs in California, the highest of any state in the nation. In closing, restrictive covenants are a private mechanism that lets corporations undercut the state's own declaration that food is a human right while serving no community interest. AB 1857 rectifies this. I urge your aye vote. Thank you.

  • Thomas Umberg

    Legislator

    Thank you very much. Alright. Others in support of AB 1857, please approach your microphone.

  • Rebecca Gonzales

    Person

    Rebecca Gonzales, Western Center on Law and Poverty in support.

  • Loyal Terry

    Person

    Thank you. Loyal Terry here on behalf of Economic Security California Action is a proud cosponsor and with support from the following organizations: AELP, Alameda County Community Food Bank, and San Diego Food System Alliance. Thank you.

  • Thomas Umberg

    Legislator

    Thank you.

  • Danny Kaiser

    Person

    Good morning. Danny Kendall Kaiser on behalf of the CAMEO network in support.

  • Thomas Umberg

    Legislator

    Thank you.

  • Mary Kames

    Person

    Morning, Chairman Umberg, Mary Kames on behalf of the Office of Kat Taylor and NextGen Policy in strong support of AB 1857. Thank you.

  • Thomas Umberg

    Legislator

    Thank you.

  • Chris McCailey

    Person

    Morning, Mr. Chair. Chris McCailey in support on behalf of Full Well, a non profit advocating food sustainability. Thank you.

  • Thomas Umberg

    Legislator

    Thank you.

  • Kathy Mossberg

    Person

    Chair, Kathy Mossberg on behalf of the Public Health Institute and their program Roots of Change in support, as well as Nourish California and our colleagues from Alchemist CDC who couldn't be here also in support.

  • Thomas Umberg

    Legislator

    Thank you.

  • Kyle Jones

    Person

    Good morning. Kyle Jones on behalf of the Community Alliance with Family Farmers in support. Thank you.

  • Thomas Umberg

    Legislator

    Thank you. Alright. Anyone else in support, please come forward.

  • Louis Brown Jr.

    Person

    Mr. Chair, members of the committee, Louis Brown here today on behalf of the California Grocers Association. We have a support if amended. We're working with the author's office and appreciate the time of her and her staff to really just tighten the definition of grocery store and and some of the other terms that are used throughout. We appreciate the progress that's been made and look forward to, going into full support soon. Thank you.

  • Thomas Umberg

    Legislator

    Okay. Great. Alright. Anyone else in support of AB 1857? If you're opposed to AB 1857, now is the time to come forward.

  • Thomas Umberg

    Legislator

    Going once, going twice, saying no. Oh, here we go.

  • Jenny Aguilar

    Person

    Hi. Jenny Aguilar on behalf of the California Business Properties Association who are opposed unless amended and are still working out amends, but appreciate the author and her staff and are hopeful to reach an agreement soon. Thank you.

  • Thomas Umberg

    Legislator

    Alrighty. Thank you. Anyone else? Opposed AB 1857? Seeing no one coming forward, I have no questions or comments.

  • Thomas Umberg

    Legislator

    At the appropriate time, I'll vote aye. Would you like to close?

  • Cecilia Aguiar-Curry

    Legislator

    I would. Thank you very much. No community should lose a grocery store and can be prevented and then be prevented from getting another one for decades. We're here to support communities and I respectfully ask for your aye vote.

  • Thomas Umberg

    Legislator

    Thank you very much. Alright. As I said, at the appropriate time, I expect there'll be a motion. So Thank

  • Thomas Umberg

    Legislator

    Thank you. Alright.

  • Cecilia Aguiar-Curry

    Legislator

    Thank you very much.

  • Cecilia Aguiar-Curry

    Legislator

    All your hard work, Senator.

  • Thomas Umberg

    Legislator

    Thanks. Next, Assembly Member Davies. So

  • Laurie Davies

    Legislator

    Thank you, Mr. Chair.

  • Thomas Umberg

    Legislator

    18 one one second. File number 17AB1892.

  • Laurie Davies

    Legislator

    Thank you. Thank you, Senator and Mister Chair. Today, I'm here to present AB 1892. I would like to start off by thanking committee staff for working with my staff on this bill. Senator, AB 1892 is a common sense measure meant to clarify three provisions of the Davis Sterling Act related to HOAs.

  • Laurie Davies

    Legislator

    First, the bill clarifies it is the duty of the HOA to repair and replace utility services to a common area, including gas, heat, water, or electrical services when interruptions of service begins. Second, clarifies and aligns HOA election nomination notices with all other HOA notices of thirty days. Lastly, requires those seeking to vote electronically than HOA election get their ballots no less than thirty days before the election. That's it. That's the bill.

  • Laurie Davies

    Legislator

    It's essentially a technical cleanup measure and has no opposition. This is industry supported on both sides. With me here to testify today on behalf of sponsor Louis Brown, and I respectfully ask for an aye vote.

  • Thomas Umberg

    Legislator

    Alrighty. Thank you much. Mister Brown?

  • Louis Brown Jr.

    Person

    Good morning, Mister Chair. Louis Brown here today on behalf of the Community Associations Institute in support of the bill and ask for an aye vote when that happens.

  • Thomas Umberg

    Legislator

    Alright. Thank you. Others in support of AB 1892? Coming forward, seeing no one else coming forward. Let's turn let's see if you were correct in terms of no opposition.

  • Thomas Umberg

    Legislator

    If you're opposed to AB 1892, turns out you were right. There's no opposition here Sure. In the hearing room. Alright. Bring it back to committee.

  • Thomas Umberg

    Legislator

    Would you like to close?

  • Laurie Davies

    Legislator

    Thank you. Respectfully ask for an aye vote.

  • Thomas Umberg

    Legislator

    Alright. Appropriate time, I'll vote. I expect to be a motion. Thank you.

  • Thomas Umberg

    Legislator

    Thank you very much. Alright. Next, I see Assemblymember Gonzalez. I think you are next in order. Assemblymember Gonzalez, floor is yours.

  • Jeff Gonzalez

    Legislator

    Thank you, Mister Chair. I had this prepped for good afternoon, but good morning still. You're welcome. Thank you. I appreciate that.

  • Jeff Gonzalez

    Legislator

    I'm here today to present AB 634, which would prohibit the manufacturing, distribution, or sale of products containing or marked as containing tioneptine in the state of California. AB 634 will prevent Californians from being exposed to tioneptine, a dangerous substance dubbed gas station heroin. Gas station heroin is often sold over the counter at retail establishments, such as gas stations, tobacco retailers, and small markets with no age restrictions.

  • Jeff Gonzalez

    Legislator

    This means when children go to buy their favorite snack, Takis or gum or whatever they get nowadays, they also have access to gas station heroin. Despite not being approved by the FDA for any reason, some companies are distributing and selling products containing tioneptine to consumers, including products with high doses.

  • Jeff Gonzalez

    Legislator

    While approved in some European and Asian countries to treat depression or anxiety, this substance can produce both an opioid like high and an opioid like addiction when used recreationally. Many other states have already acted against this substance from placing it on a schedule to restricting its sale. Amendments to the bill have narrowed the focus of it to a restriction on commercial activities only. Joining me today, he is not here yet. But it would have been Ryan Sherman who represents the California Narcotics Officers Association.

  • Jeff Gonzalez

    Legislator

    Since this committee is moving so fast and efficiently, hasn't had the time to get here, but I'm I'm confident that I can try and answer any questions. And with that, I respectfully ask for an aye vote when appropriate.

  • Thomas Umberg

    Legislator

    Alright. Thank you. Well, if you're in support of AB 634, please come forward. We'll stipulate that Mister Sherman came forward and urged the I vote. Okay?

  • Olivia Herrera

    Person

    Good morning. Olivia Herrera, intern at Stone Advocacy on behalf of the California District Attorneys Association in support.

  • Thomas Umberg

    Legislator

    Thank you. Thank you.

  • Taylor Triffle

    Person

    Good morning, Mister Chair. Taylor Triffle on behalf of the city of Huntington Beach in support.

  • Thomas Umberg

    Legislator

    Thank you.

  • Zach Flowers

    Person

    Hi there. Zach Flowers with the Health Officers Association of California in support. Thank you.

  • Thomas Umberg

    Legislator

    Thank you. We've already stipulated, Mister Sherman. Go ahead. Okay.

  • Unidentified Speaker 018

    Thank you very much. On behalf of California Narcotics Officers Association and other peace officer groups, proud sponsors, and appreciate, your consideration. Thank you. Alrighty.

  • Thomas Umberg

    Legislator

    Thank you very much. Anyone else in support of AB 634 please come forward? Seeing no one else coming forward, let's turn to the opposition. If if you're opposed to AB 634, please come forward. Seeing no one coming forward, bringing back to committee.

  • Thomas Umberg

    Legislator

    I have no questions, comments. I'll vote aye at the appropriate time. Thank you for bringing this forward. Would you like to close?

  • Jeff Gonzalez

    Legislator

    Thank you, Mister Chair. I'm confident that we're on the right track to protecting Californians, to protecting our kids from the dangers of gas station heroin through the measure this measure and respectfully, when appropriate, ask for the committee's I vote. Thank you.

  • Thomas Umberg

    Legislator

    Alrighty. Thank you very much. Thank you. Appropriate time, there'll be a motion. Alright.

  • Thomas Umberg

    Legislator

    We have no more authors present in Room 2100. So if you're a member of the California State Assembly and you appear in this hearing room and you have a bill before us, you will march right up to the podium. For those of you who are watching online, today is one of the busiest days in the California State Legislature. The members of the committee are either sitting in different committees or presenting bills in different committees.

  • Thomas Umberg

    Legislator

    And so, we do expect that we'll have a quorum here at some point in time. But by way of explanation, there's lots, lots, lots going on here today in Sacramento.

  • Thomas Umberg

    Legislator

    Assemblymember Ward, congratulations. You are up next.

  • Chris Ward

    Legislator

    Thank you. mister Chair.

  • Thomas Umberg

    Legislator

    So this would be File Number 51, AB 1684.

  • Chris Ward

    Legislator

    It's good to be a w. Well, good, morning, Mister Chair and members. I wanna thank you for the opportunity to present AB 1684 and for the thoughtful engagement by you and your staff on this bill. AB 1684 prohibits a homeowner's association from restricting a homeowner's ability to install, use, or replace a home cooling system.

  • Chris Ward

    Legislator

    Now today, as you know, heat waves are the deadliest kind of extreme weather in The United States with children, seniors, and people with respiratory illness being particularly vulnerable to heat related illness and mortality.

  • Chris Ward

    Legislator

    Studies have shown that while working home air conditioning, is the number one protective factor against heat related mortality. Approximately sixty five percent of California homeowners belong to an HOA, many of whom governing documents limit the kind of cooling system that a homeowner may install, and this poses a concerning barrier to adequate heat protections for the varied health and financial needs of California families.

  • Chris Ward

    Legislator

    The idea for this bill originated from an 8,078 constituent, and I'll and the issue of time, spare the statement, but I'll summarize by their words that no family should be denied access to an air conditioning system that best meets their health, safety, and energy needs. I appreciate the ongoing conversations with the Opposition and respectfully request your aye vote. Thank

  • Thomas Umberg

    Legislator

    you. If you're in support of AB 1684, please come forward.

  • Freddie Quintana

    Person

    Morning Chair and and Mister Chair. Freddie Quintana with the California Apartments Associations. We support, AB 1684 because we, because this is an important right of a property owner. Cooling down your home is crucial and the bill is clear that any cooling system must be compliant with state and local, state and local building codes. For these reasons, we respectfully ask for your aye vote.

  • Thomas Umberg

    Legislator

    Thank you very much. Alright. Anyone else in support of AB 1684, please come forward. Please come forward. Seeing no one coming forward.

  • Thomas Umberg

    Legislator

    If you're opposed AB 1684, please come forward. Seeing no one coming forward. Alright. Bring it back to committee. Senator Niehlo, do you have any questions or comments?

  • Roger Niello

    Legislator

    I do not have any questions or comments. Alright. The bill is portable.

  • Thomas Umberg

    Legislator

    No nor do Aye. I will cast an aye vote at the appropriate time. Would you like to close?

  • Chris Ward

    Legislator

    Taking your respect for your question, I vote.

  • Thomas Umberg

    Legislator

    Thank you very much. Alright. Assembly member Ward, you you you you've been very fortunate today with a w last name to be going before noon. So Right. Winning.

  • Thomas Umberg

    Legislator

    Alright. As I said just a moment ago, if you remember the California State Assembly, you have a bill in Senate Judiciary, and you show, you will walk right up to the podium. This is a one time deal. Yeah. One of the things is we're going so fast that the line is full

  • Thomas Umberg

    Legislator

    of the witnesses. They told their witnesses show up in the afternoon. Let me grab that back for a second. Assemblymember Lackey, floor is yours. This would be file item number 33 AB1752.

  • Thomas Umberg

    Legislator

    Alright. Anytime you're ready.

  • Tom Lackey

    Legislator

    Well, thank you, Mister Chair and member. And I normally say members, but looks like there's only one here, but we'll keep going. Yeah. But we're mighty.

  • Tom Lackey

    Legislator

    Alright. Well, under California's eminent domain law, public entities may acquire private property for public use, but they must provide just compensation. When property owner I'm sorry. When a property owner receives an offer under threat of imminent domain, they have the right to obtain an independent appraisal. Current law allows for reimbursement up to $5,000 for that appraisal.

  • Tom Lackey

    Legislator

    However, that $5,000 cap was set many years ago and no longer reflects today's market realities. Appraisal costs have risen significantly due to inflation, regulatory requirements, and increasing complexity of eminent domain valuations. As a result, many property owners are forced to pay substantial out of pocket costs simply to ensure that they're receiving fair market value. This bill, AB 7052, updates the outdated reimbursement cap. And for certain eminent domain actions, requires public entity to pay up to $8,000 for the appraisal.

  • Tom Lackey

    Legislator

    This bill does not expand eminent domain authority. It just simply ensures the property owners are not financially burdened when seeking an accurate independent valuation of their property. With me today is Adam Quinones representing the Appraisal Institute. Mister Quinones. Yeah.

  • Adam Quinonez

    Person

    Good morning. Thank you. Mister Chair and members, Adam Quinones, California advocates on behalf of the Appraisal Institute, sponsors of the bill. I wanna thank Assemblymember Lackey for all of the work he's done on on this issue. He he said it perfectly.

  • Adam Quinonez

    Person

    You know, the the bill is really, narrowly focused to, raise that $5,000 reimbursement threshold to $8,000 which reflects, in the price of of living adjustment. Also want to just highlight that oftentimes related to these imminent domain actions, a, agency may be taking a a partial, piece of a property, which is a complicated appraisal. You're having to appraise the entire property, the piece being taken, and then ultimately what is going to be left over. These are much more complicated than, you know, your standard residential home appraisal.

  • Adam Quinonez

    Person

    So the costs are often much higher, which as the Assemblymember said, leaves homeowners, landowners having to pocket that, pay out of pocket for that, the remaining cost.

  • Adam Quinonez

    Person

    So, happy to answer questions and and would urge, support of

  • Thomas Umberg

    Legislator

    the bill. Alrighty. Thank you very much. Others in support of AB 1752, please come forward. Please come forward if you're in support of AB 1752.

  • Thomas Umberg

    Legislator

    Seeing no one coming forward, let's turn the opposition. If you're opposed to AB 1752, please come forward. Going once, going twice. Alright. Back to committee.

  • Thomas Umberg

    Legislator

    Questions by committee member. No. No question. Alright. So according to Mister Quinones, you've said it perfectly.

  • Thomas Umberg

    Legislator

    Assembly member Lackey, would you like to add to that perfection?

  • Tom Lackey

    Legislator

    I'm not gonna alter perfection, man. Ask for

  • Thomas Umberg

    Legislator

    your aye vote. Alright. Thank you. At the appropriate time, I'll vote aye. We will have a quorum at some point and expect a motion.

  • Ash Kalra

    Legislator

    Thanks, sir.

  • Thomas Umberg

    Legislator

    Thank you. And I see Assemblymember Schiavo. Assembly Member Schiavo, the floor is yours. And that is file item 48 AB1660.

  • Pilar Schiavo

    Legislator

    Thank you, Mr. Chair. Happy to have the opportunity to present AB 1660 today to ensure some of our most vulnerable have the support that they need. Public guardians help care for those who don't have someone to turn to or next of kin, and this can include managing their finances, medical bills, and assisting with funeral services.

  • Pilar Schiavo

    Legislator

    AB 1660 helps public administrators and public guardians carry out these important responsibilities more efficiently when managing the affairs of a deceased person, minor, or conservatee. Under current law, financial institutions are required to provide information and release property when a properly authorized public administrator or public guardian requests it. However, compliance can be delayed or denied, creating unnecessary obstacles, sometimes denying the required transfer of assets for over a year.

  • Pilar Schiavo

    Legislator

    This can delay needed care, paying for burials, and even open the window for fraud when someone is unable to manage their finances and can be easily taken advantage of. Swift transfer of public guardians and administrators protects people and their property. This bill provides a clear enforcement mechanism by allowing the court to impose sanctions of at least $1,000 per violation for failure to comply while also providing safe harbor for financial institutions trying to comply with public administrators' and guardians' requests.

  • Pilar Schiavo

    Legislator

    To ease the process and provide more clarity and certainty, we worked with banks to update and standardize the certificate of authority forms used by public guardians and creates a statutory form for public administrators, helping ensure consistency and efficiency statewide for financial institutions. This practical administrative measure improves compliance, reduces delays, and helps protect the interests of descendants, minors, and conservatees.

  • Pilar Schiavo

    Legislator

    In working with the opposition, we have taken extensive amendments to address their concerns, and I want to thank the committee for their help to improve this bill. We'll be accepting all committee amendments, and here with me to testify in support is Trent Smith, representing California Association of Public Administrators, Guardians and Conservators.

  • Thomas Umberg

    Legislator

    Alrighty. Thank you. Mr. Smith, the floor is yours.

  • Trent Smith

    Person

    Thank you, Mr. Chair and Vice Chair. Trent Smith, on behalf of the State Association of Public Conservators, Public Guardians and Public Administrators. We started this process about three years ago, meeting with the financial institutions to let them know that there has been a problem with compliance for almost a decade, as you've heard from the author, sometimes going months and even up to a year. We were hoping to get them to maybe educate their members and to have better compliance.

  • Trent Smith

    Person

    We even wrote an article for their trade magazine so that they would have some education materials. But finally, when compliance did not improve, we came forward with the bill to allow a probate judge the authority and the discretion to impose a fine. So the fine is not automatic. We also heard from the financial institutions that they had a problem sometimes recognizing whether a public administrator was in fact who they said they were and they were concerned about fraud.

  • Trent Smith

    Person

    So we created the statutory form, which I kind of describe as a paint-by-numbers form that kind of describes who we are, what we're doing, what we're asking for, and how they can verify the identity of the public administrator. And then finally, at their request, we did put in the bill that the fine cannot be imposed for at least 30 days. We'll give them an opportunity to cure if they needed that. So we think we've taken a lot of amendments. If there's anything left that they're still opposed to, it's probably technical, but we would ask for your support today.

  • Thomas Umberg

    Legislator

    Alrighty. Thank you very much. Others in support of AB 1660, please come forward.

  • Unidentified Speaker 024
    ID Pending

    Good morning. Amanda Kirch on behalf

  • Unidentified Speaker 003
    ID Pending

    of County Welfare Directors in support. You. Good morning. Jean Hurst here today on behalf of the Santa Clara County Board of Supervisors in support.

  • Unidentified Speaker 007
    ID Pending

    Brandon McCarthy with the California State Association of Counties in support.

  • Unidentified Speaker 005
    ID Pending

    Malik Bynum with the County Behavioral Health Directors Association in support. Thank you.

  • Unidentified Speaker 000
    ID Pending

    Thank you. Anyone else in support of AB 1660? Seeing no one else approaching the microphone, let's turn to the opposition. If you're opposed to AB 1660, please come forward. Going once, going twice.

  • Unidentified Speaker 000
    ID Pending

    Alright. Seeing no one coming forward. Bring it back to committee. Senator Neal. Questions, comments?

  • Unidentified Speaker 049
    ID Pending

    Does anybody else wanna say anything?

  • Unidentified Speaker 041
    ID Pending

    You're holding it down here.

  • Unidentified Speaker 049
    ID Pending

    In that case, I will. I it's I was supportive of this even with the opposition before because I knew that you would work with them and obviously you did. So

  • Unidentified Speaker 041
    ID Pending

    And very reasonable.

  • Unidentified Speaker 000
    ID Pending

    Alright. At the appropriate time, I'll vote Aye. Would you like to close?

  • Unidentified Speaker 041
    ID Pending

    Very much appreciate everyone working together to get to a resolution here. I think it's gonna make a big difference for people who really need it. And with that requestfully request an aye vote when that can happen.

  • Unidentified Speaker 000
    ID Pending

    Alright. Thank you very much. Assemblymember Quirk Silva, I see you waiting nervously. Alright.

  • Unidentified Speaker 053
    ID Pending

    Afraid to come to

  • Unidentified Speaker 000
    ID Pending

    and nervous.

  • Unidentified Speaker 053
    ID Pending

    With the Senate. Right. Alright.

  • Unidentified Speaker 011
    ID Pending

    If you have all those fans out there.

  • Unidentified Speaker 000
    ID Pending

    Right. File item number 40AB782.

  • Sharon Quirk-Silva

    Legislator

    Alright. AB 782. Good m good morning, Mister Chair. Today, I'm pleased to present AB 782. This is a narrow bill that applies to a limited group of charter cities and preserves the original purpose of a law the legislature passed just last year.

  • Sharon Quirk-Silva

    Legislator

    Last year, Assemblymember Schultz authored AB 1050, a bill I supported. AB 1050 responded to a challenge many communities saw after COVID changed shopping and consumer patterns across California. Commercial corridors that once drove local economies became underused while California's need for housing continued to grow. AB 1050 created a process to remove old private restrictions that can prevent housing from being built on commercial property and made it easier to convert those sites into mixed use and residential development.

  • Sharon Quirk-Silva

    Legislator

    That was the right policy then, and it remains the right policy today.

  • Sharon Quirk-Silva

    Legislator

    However, after implementation, it became clear that AB 1050 also reached a small number of cities that were never the intended focus of that bill. Before introducing AB 782, we consulted with Assembly member Schultz and discussed this unintended result. This bill reflects that conversation. AB 1050 was help unlock redevelopment in places where commercial sites had stalled and where housing production needed support.

  • Sharon Quirk-Silva

    Legislator

    AB 72 AB 782, which we're talking about today, keeps that tool available where it is needed, but it creates a narrow exemption for charter cities that are already producing housing at a high level and maintaining compliance with state housing laws.

  • Sharon Quirk-Silva

    Legislator

    The cities that have been infected include Anaheim, Santa Ana, Riverside, Stockton, Chula Vista, Modesto, San Bernardino, and Irvine. These are not cities stepping back from housing. These are cities that are already issuing permits, approving projects, and help meet are helping to meet California's housing goals. Under AB 7882, a city must meet three conditions. It must have a population between two hundred and four hundred thousand.

  • Sharon Quirk-Silva

    Legislator

    It's second, it must have a compliant housing element. And finally, it must issue more than 500 residential permits annually on average. California needs more housing, and we should continue removing barriers that stop underused land from becoming homes. We should also make sure we use the right tool for the right problem. The goal of AB 782 is not to penalize communities that are already delivering results.

  • Sharon Quirk-Silva

    Legislator

    The goal is to keep a narrow legal focus on the places it was designed to help. California's housing crisis demands urgency and it also demands precision. AB 7882 delivers both. With me today to testify and support and answer any questions, is Mister Chris Khan representing the Building Industry Association of Southern California.

  • Thomas Umberg

    Legislator

    Mister Khan, welcome. Pleasure.

  • Chris Kahn

    Person

    Sir, Mister Chair and member, thank you. Chris Khan, representing the Building Industry Association of Southern California. As the author mentioned, AB, 1050 was intended to alleviate roadblocks for redevelopment of vacant or dying commercial property or commercial centers following COVID. We are seeing, especially in Southern California in the short time that ten fifty has been in place, that it's unintentionally capturing commercial properties in high performing areas and master planned communities.

  • Chris Kahn

    Person

    These communities also have special land use restrictions, which are in place for decades of master planning efforts, including CEQA mitigation, transportation planning, and open space, utilization and limitations.

  • Chris Kahn

    Person

    This bill, a narrow surgical fix for a small number of contract cities locating in high performing jurisdictions, and and again, just a narrow, narrow fix. We thank the author for her leadership. We think AB 782, preserves the intent of AB 1050 while creating a narrow exemption for those cities that are smartly planned, for their master planned communities. We urge your aye vote.

  • Thomas Umberg

    Legislator

    Thank you. Thank you very much. Others in support of AB 782, please come forward. Seeing no one coming forward, any Me Too testimony? Seeing none.

  • Thomas Umberg

    Legislator

    Alright. Let's do the opposition. If you're opposed to AB 782, please come forward.

  • Freddy Quintana

    Person

    Good morning Chair and senators. Freddy Quintana with the California Apartment Association in respect for opposition. Our position to AB 782 is simple. California has passed several laws over recent years to increase housing production and this bill reverses course by returning an obstacle. This bill takes back the authority from a commercial property owner to get relief from a covenant when that commercial property owner wants to include residential property.

  • Freddy Quintana

    Person

    This bill removes the authority for eight charter cities, for eight charter cities, four of which are among the 13 largest cities in California. Three of these cities had an average, an average RHNA goal for housing production of roughly 20,000 units of housing. This bill gives relief to these jurisdictions when they give an average of 500 residential building permits. We wouldn't consider this a high performing marker and respectfully ask for your eye vote. Thank you.

  • Thomas Umberg

    Legislator

    Alrighty. Thank you.

  • Freddy Quintana

    Person

    No. Yeah. No. Respectfully ask for your

  • Thomas Umberg

    Legislator

    Okay. That you're just you're you yes. We are paying attention. So alright. Anyone else who wishes to support then oppose AB 782?

  • Thomas Umberg

    Legislator

    No. Alright. Let's bring it back to the committee. Questions? Senator Niedo?

  • Roger Niello

    Legislator

    Well, as long as nobody else has a question, I don't have a question.

  • Thomas Umberg

    Legislator

    Alright. Okay. I'll vote aye at the appropriate time. Would you like to close?

  • Sharon Quirk-Silva

    Legislator

    Just respectfully ask for your aye vote. And nice to see you, Senator. Senators.

  • Thomas Umberg

    Legislator

    Thank you. Alright. With that, at the appropriate time, I expect there will be a motion. Assembly member Rodriguez. Oh, no.

  • Thomas Umberg

    Legislator

    I'm sorry. I see Assembly member Barke Hahn here. Okay. Alright. So let's see.

  • Thomas Umberg

    Legislator

    Assembly member Rodriguez, you have file number 42 AB2195. Would you like to start with that bill or 43?

  • Celeste Rodriguez

    Legislator

    I will start with 2195, please.

  • Thomas Umberg

    Legislator

    Alright. File number 42 AB 2195.

  • Celeste Rodriguez

    Legislator

    Well, good afternoon, Sir. I wanna start by thanking the committee staff for their thoughtful analysis. AB 2195, the Work to Support Families Act, builds on Californian's ongoing efforts to modernize our child support enforcement system in a way that is both fair and effective. This bill prevents the suspension of an occupational license for a parent who owes child support if their annual household income falls at or below 70% of the area median income.

  • Celeste Rodriguez

    Legislator

    The goal of child support enforcement is to ensure that children and the custodial parent are receiving consistent support.

  • Celeste Rodriguez

    Legislator

    Suspending a low income parent's occupational license can make that goal harder to reach. Without the license they need to work, a parent may lose income and fall further behind in their financial responsibilities. That is a lose lose outcome for everyone involved. The parent who is obligated to pay support, the custodial parent relying on those payments, and most importantly, the child. By keeping low income parents employed, we increase their ability to meet their child support obligations and provide more consistent support for their families.

  • Celeste Rodriguez

    Legislator

    This bill addresses this problem by focusing license suspensions on cases where they are more appropriate while protecting low income parents from losing their jobs. Agencies can request employment and income documentation, and a parent who does not provide that information may be presumed to be above the income threshold. This bill maintains local child support agencies' other enforcement tools. This approach preserves accountability while keeping parents connected to work. When parents can work, they are better able to provide consistent support for their children.

  • Celeste Rodriguez

    Legislator

    By promoting employment and strengthening families' economic stability, this bill advances the core mission of our child support system. I have with me today Rebecca Gonzales with the Western Center on Law and Poverty, and Koi Satern with the Coalition of California Welfare Rights Organization to provide testimony, and Steven Goldberg from the California Welfare Rights Organization who will be joining us to answer any technical questions you may have today.

  • Thomas Umberg

    Legislator

    Alrighty. Thank you very much. Miss Gonzales.

  • Rebecca Gonzales

    Person

    Good afternoon. My name is Rebecca Gonzales, senior policy advocate with the Western Center on Law and Poverty. The Western Center is a cosponsor of AB 292195 under the Truth and Justice in Child Support Coalition, which is a statewide coalition of 30 plus organizations that seek to bring equitable reform to our state's child support system to better support low income children and their families, and to reduce child poverty in California.

  • Rebecca Gonzales

    Person

    AB 2195 eliminates a counterproductive and nonsensical policy which makes it harder for low income parents who owe child support to pay it back by limiting their earnings capacity. Occupational license suspensions and denials for those owing child support and who make less than 70% of the area median income.

  • Rebecca Gonzales

    Person

    Most of the license suspensions are in low wage occupations such as security guards, barbers, or manicurists. This bottle this bill is modeled on the successful passage of SB 1055 in 2022, which ended driver's license suspensions as an enforcement action for unpaid child support for the same population. An Orange County evaluation of that bill found that after implementation, Orange County's child support agency experienced no significant impact on collections. In fact, collections increased.

  • Rebecca Gonzales

    Person

    Additionally, limiting license suspensions to parents resulted in significant administrative savings equal to two full time case workers.

  • Rebecca Gonzales

    Person

    California has more other effective tools to collect child support such as wage garnishments, tax refund offsets, bank levies, credit reporting, passport denials and revocations, and adding interest to late payments. None of these enforcement tools interfere with a non custodial parent's ability to earn a living, and several put money directly into the pockets of the custodial parents.

  • Rebecca Gonzales

    Person

    And in response to concerns raised by previous opposition to this bill to remote accountability and balance both parents' needs, this bill now introduces a process for child support agencies to engage parents of all income levels who have fallen behind by first sending them a notice asking

  • Rebecca Gonzales

    Person

    them to verify their income and allowing for suspensions for those who do not Interfering with the parents ability to earn income by suspending their license handlers.

  • Thomas Umberg

    Legislator

    Yes. You're gonna urge an aye vote.

  • Rebecca Gonzales

    Person

    I'm gonna ask for an aye vote. Yes.

  • Thomas Umberg

    Legislator

    Thank you very much. Next witness, please.

  • Koissy Tern

    Person

    Hi, Chair members. Koissy Tern with the Coalition of California Welfare Rights Organization. I'm reading testimony on behalf of Demont Hampton. My child support obligations began in 1995, and over time, as I could not pay the full amount, my child support arrears just ballooned. My debt got so high that I just felt like I was stuck in a hole.

  • Koissy Tern

    Person

    My children were in their thirties. I had over 100,000 in child support arrears, most of it interest. Over the last decade, I have been on a fixed income. Although I was making regular payments of $50 a month, every six months or so, because of my arrears, my driver's license would get suspended. When this happened, I contacted the DMV and child support, but it was hard to get into contact with the right person.

  • Koissy Tern

    Person

    Once I got into contact with them, child support said they would lift the suspension, but sometimes it would take months Thanks to AB 1055, I didn't have to worry about my license being suspended anymore. I had not been able to work for a long period of time, but once I was mentally, physically, and emotionally better, I wanted to go back to school to learn a skill, so I could look into programs that would train me to become a barber.

  • Koissy Tern

    Person

    When I first received my barbering license, they immediately suspended my license because of my arrears. I called them back and they fixed it. About one month later, it happened again.

  • Koissy Tern

    Person

    I had to call them back and they lifted the suspension. About two days later, it happened again. The person I talked with knew that my license kept getting suspended, but there wasn't anything she could do. I would have to call, get in contact with them, wait for them to call me back. She would ask a few questions, and then she would release the hold.

  • Koissy Tern

    Person

    This happened even though I was making regular payments as they requested me to do. It was really important to me to address my child support arrears because they held me back from growing in life. I cannot move forward while having such a big debt. Over the years, I talked to child support workers and family law facilitators about my arrears, but no one ever told me about the debt reduction program. When I went to Neighborhood Legal Services, an attorney told me about the debt reduction program.

  • Koissy Tern

    Person

    When I asked about my child support when I asked my child support case worker about it, she told me that in order to apply for the debt reduction program, Ellie Child Support had to first audit my account, which could take up to a year. Once the audit was complete, it sent me Alright.

  • Thomas Umberg

    Legislator

    And I assume both you and he urge an aye vote.

  • Koissy Tern

    Person

    We respectfully urge an aye vote.

  • Thomas Umberg

    Legislator

    Okay. Thank you very much. Alright. Other than support of AB 2195, please come forward. If you're in support of AB 2195, now's the time to come forward.

  • Sam Wilkinson

    Person

    Hi there. Sam Wilkinson with End Child Poverty in California and strong support. Thank you so much.

  • Thomas Umberg

    Legislator

    Alrighty. Thank you very much. Anyone else in support of AB 2195? Alright. Let's turn to the opposition.

  • Thomas Umberg

    Legislator

    If you're opposed to AB 2195, please come forward. Going once, going twice. Alright. Seeing no one coming forward in opposition, we'll bring it back to committee. Questions by committee members?

  • Thomas Umberg

    Legislator

    Senator Niello?

  • Roger Niello

    Legislator

    Not a question, a comment. This is kind of kind of why they got rid of debtor prisons, I think. So this bill is eminently supportable. Alrighty.

  • Thomas Umberg

    Legislator

    Thank you very much. At the appropriate time, I'll cast an aye vote. Would you like to close?

  • Celeste Rodriguez

    Legislator

    Yes. Thank you so much. You are correct. And AB 2195 prevents parents and children from falling deeper into poverty by ensuring that low income parents can continue working and supporting their families. I respectfully request your aye vote.

  • Thomas Umberg

    Legislator

    Alright. Thank you very much. And you have another matter, filing number 43, AJR 17. But before we do that, I see that we have Assemblymember Bauer-Kahan and Assemblymember Berman here. We appreciate Assemblymember Bauer-Kahan's affinity to this committee, and and being a frequent flyer.

  • Thomas Umberg

    Legislator

    I in terms of timing, if we start with Assemblymember Bauer-Kahan's four bills, I don't know we're gonna get to Assemblymember Berman unless there's been some sort of accommodation between the two of you. So but having said that, we're gonna recess at noon, and then at at 1:30, Senator Niello is gonna come back and Chair the committee. So the the way we would go is after, Assemblymember Rodriguez presents her next item, then we'd go to Assembly member Bauer-Kahan. So okay.

  • Thomas Umberg

    Legislator

    So Assembly member Rodriguez, the floor is yours.

  • Celeste Rodriguez

    Legislator

    I just wanna make sure that Bauer-Kahan will go before lunch. Otherwise, I'll step back.

  • Thomas Umberg

    Legislator

    Well, you've got the floor, so unless there's

  • Celeste Rodriguez

    Legislator

    We'll make this super quick.

  • Thomas Umberg

    Legislator

    Oh. Okay. Alright.

  • Celeste Rodriguez

    Legislator

    Okay. Ready?

  • Thomas Umberg

    Legislator

    I'm ready.

  • Celeste Rodriguez

    Legislator

    Thank you to the committee for their analysis. This is Assembly joint Resolution 17 calling on our federal representatives to take action and pass House Resolution 4696 in Senate bill 2468 to provide immigrants a pathway to permanent residency. This statute would allow those who have been long term residents of The United States for at least seven years to apply for legal permanent residence. California leads the nation in migrant population. 22% of foreign born people nationwide call California home.

  • Celeste Rodriguez

    Legislator

    It has been nearly forty years since the Federal Government passed an immigration reform bill, and our current immigration system is unable to meet the needs of the present day. Approximately 8,000,000 undocumented people may benefit from the passage of renewing the federal immigration registry. This would mean that people who have built their lives, contributed to our communities, and demonstrated enduring ties to this country have meaningful opportunity to come out of the shadows.

  • Celeste Rodriguez

    Legislator

    I have with me today Monica Madrid on behalf of the Coalition for Humane Immigrant Rights Los Angeles, CHRLA.

  • Thomas Umberg

    Legislator

    Alright. The floor is yours.

  • Monica Madrid

    Person

    Good afternoon, Chair members. My name is Monica Madrid, state policy advocate with the Coalition for Human Immigrant Rights, CHRLA, here as a proud cosponsor of AJR 17. I actually am here today because of the registry act of 1929. My great grandfather came from Mexico, back in 1921, and without the registry act, I'm trying to make my thing really really brief and and sweet and short.

  • Monica Madrid

    Person

    Without the registry act, I wouldn't be here, my father wouldn't be here, my grandfather wouldn't have been able to be here, so with that, we respectfully ask that when the time comes for an aye vote.

  • Monica Madrid

    Person

    Thank you.

  • Thomas Umberg

    Legislator

    Alrighty. Thank you very much. Others in support of AJR 17, please come forward. Going once, going twice. Alright.

  • Thomas Umberg

    Legislator

    If you're opposed to AJR 17, please come forward. Seeing no one coming forward, let's bring it back committee, Senator Niello. Oh, and you've accepted the amendments. Is that correct.

  • Celeste Rodriguez

    Legislator

    Yes. I have accepted the amendments. Thank you.

  • Thomas Umberg

    Legislator

    Okay. Thank you. Alright. No question.

  • Thomas Umberg

    Legislator

    Senator Niello? Alright. I will vote aye at the appropriate time. Would you like to close?

  • Celeste Rodriguez

    Legislator

    I respectfully request. aye vote. Thank you so much.

  • Thomas Umberg

    Legislator

    Thank you very much. Alright. Assembly member, Bauer-Kahan, You've got several measures. What would you like to start with?

  • Rebecca Bauer-Kahan

    Legislator

    We can work down the list if you'd like.

  • Thomas Umberg

    Legislator

    Alright. So let's start with file item number 7, AB 412.

  • Rebecca Bauer-Kahan

    Legislator

    Perfect. Good afternoon, Chair and Vice Chair. I wanna start by thanking committee staff for their hard work on this bill, and I'll be accepting the committee amendment, amendments, amendment today. And I wanna thank the Chair for his partnership on this important work and the hearing we had over the recess to really dive into this. This is, an important bill that allows for individuals who have registered works that are copyrighted to know whether generative artificial intelligence has been trained using their works.

  • Rebecca Bauer-Kahan

    Legislator

    The amendment we're taking here today will allow for right to cure, which is really important because this bill is really just about giving the registered copyright holders the information they need and not penalizing any corporations, and this will allow them the time to do so. So I wanna thank the committee for the thoughtful amendment. And with that, I will turn it over to my witness in support, Tim Friedlander, founder and president of the National Association of Voice Actors.

  • Thomas Umberg

    Legislator

    Thank you. Mister Friedlander. Hello.

  • Tim Friedlander

    Person

    Hello, hello. Good morning. Great to be here. My name is Tim Friedlander. I'm a voice actor, songwriter, children's book author, small business owner. I'm a SAG-AFTRA member. I'm the President and Co-Founder of the National Association of Voice Actors. AB 412 does not address the question of whether it's moral, ethical, or even legal to train GenAI models on copyrighted materials. It simply offers rights holders the ability to inquire and to know whether their materials have or have not been used. Without transparency, we can only assume that our materials are in the datasets and take action accordingly.

  • Tim Friedlander

    Person

    Creative jobs are real jobs and creative businesses are real businesses. We have as much right not to go bankrupt as any other business here in California. Recent data shows that creators account for seven and a half percent of California's economy with over one and a half million creators contributing more than 430 billion to our GDP. Copyright creates jobs, it drives greater and higher quality production, and it fuels cultural exchange.

  • Tim Friedlander

    Person

    Every day without transparency, the value of copyright diminishes, and California risks losing its position in the marketplace as the cultural driver of the world. This bill is feasible and uses very common and well-understood approach that tech companies use regularly, an approach that even Google's co-founder has written research papers about. In essence, AB 412 requires that a major industry be responsible for the provenance of the materials in its supply chain.

  • Tim Friedlander

    Person

    That is not unprecedented requirement in any other industry and is not an unreasonable burden for this industry. California has the opportunity to lead in the adoption of fair, equitable, and balanced policy that does not prioritize one industry over all the others. I encourage an aye vote on AB 412. Thank you.

  • Thomas Umberg

    Legislator

    Thank you very much. All right. Next witness, please. But before the next witness testifies, if you're within earshot of my voice and you're a member of the Senate Judiciary Committee, I would request that you present yourself in Room 2100 so we can establish quorum before we break at noon. If you're on the staff of any of the members of Senate Judiciary Committee, please cajole your member into coming down and appearing. All right. Those in support of AB 412.

  • Crystal Strait

    Person

    Hi. Good afternoon. Crystal Strait with Common Sense Media, in support.

  • Thomas Umberg

    Legislator

    Thank you.

  • Deana Igelsrud

    Person

    Deana Igelsrud, co-founder-- no. I'm not Rachel, I'm-- sorry. Legislative and political advocate, Concept Art Association, and legislative co-chair for Los Angeles County Democratic Party. Concept Art Association is a co-sponsor, and LA County Democratic Party as well as the California Democratic Party stand in strong support of this bill. Thank you.

  • Thomas Umberg

    Legislator

    Thank you.

  • Randy Thomas

    Person

    Good afternoon. My name is Randy Thomas. I live in Placer County, an LA-based talent, and I am a SAG-AFTRA member, a member of NAVA. I'm someone-- I believe everyone in this room has heard my voice. I am a 10-time Oscar announcer, 20 years of Tony's Entertainment Tonight for a decade, Nightline and ABC News, to mention a few.

  • Thomas Umberg

    Legislator

    I bet you're gonna say you support AB 412.

  • Randy Thomas

    Person

    I strongly urge you to support AB 412. Thank you.

  • Gunnar Ready

    Person

    Hello. My name is Gunnar Ready from Orangevale, California. I'm an audio engineer and voice actor, and I support 412.

  • Thomas Umberg

    Legislator

    Thank you.

  • Zachary Berger

    Person

    Hi. Thanks so much. Zachary Berger, film industry concept artist, probably most well known for designing creatures for James Cameron Avatar movies. I'm an IATSE Local 800 member, the Co-Chair of the IATSE Local 800 AI Committee, and a small business owner. I took a day off work today and flew here from Los Angeles to be here--

  • Zachary Berger

    Person

    --and I'm in support. Thank you so much.

  • Thomas Umberg

    Legislator

    I bet you're in support also.

  • Thomas Umberg

    Legislator

    All right. Thank you. So if you could give us your name, your affiliation, and your position on the bill.

  • Joel Cohen

    Person

    Joel Cohen, National Executive Director with Local 800 in Los Angeles. We represent 3,000 members with good union jobs, and we strongly support.

  • Thomas Umberg

    Legislator

    All right. Thank you.

  • Matthew Broad

    Person

    Mr. Chair and members, Matt Broad, here on behalf of SAG-AFTRA, a proud co-sponsor in support. Thank you.

  • Thomas Umberg

    Legislator

    Thank you. And we're just lacking just a few more members to establish a quorum, so, again, if you're a member of the Senate Judiciary Committee, please present yourself in Room 2100.

  • Dela Longfish

    Person

    My name is Dela Longfish. I'm an associate art director in the video game industry at Sony PlayStation and also LucasArts, in strong support of AB 412.

  • Thomas Umberg

    Legislator

    Thank you.

  • Anson Jew

    Person

    My name is Anson Jew. I'm from Los Angeles. I'm a storyboard artist, illustrator, and concept artist, and I strongly support the bill.

  • Thomas Umberg

    Legislator

    Thank you.

  • Damon Alums

    Person

    Damon Alums, Stockton, California, SAG-AFTRA member, NAVA member, standing in strong support of the bill.

  • Thomas Umberg

    Legislator

    Thank you.

  • Rachael Kleban

    Person

    Hello. Rachael Kleban, concept artist, storyboard artist, general artist, in support of the bill. Thank you.

  • Thomas Umberg

    Legislator

    Thank you.

  • Ji Lee

    Person

    Hello. Ji Hye Lee, Art Director's Guild member and a Concept Art Associations member, illustrator, and a concept artist. I worked on movies, like Marvel films and stuff, and I support AB 412.

  • Thomas Umberg

    Legislator

    Thank you.

  • Emery Chase

    Person

    Good morning. Emery Chase, actor and voiceover artist, local Sacramento small business owner, and member of NAVA, in strong support. Thank you.

  • Thomas Umberg

    Legislator

    Thank you.

  • Sam Tang

    Person

    Hi. My name is Sam Tang. I'm an illustrator based in Claremont, California, in strong support of AB 412. Thank you.

  • Thomas Umberg

    Legislator

    Thank you.

  • Paul Hansel

    Person

    Hi. I'm Paul Hansel, engineer, photographer, and writer in Redwood City. I support AB 412.

  • Thomas Umberg

    Legislator

    Thank you.

  • Elmer Lizardi

    Person

    Morning, Chair and members. Elmer Lizardi with the California Federation of Labor Unions in support.

  • Thomas Umberg

    Legislator

    Thank you.

  • Rachel Meinerding

    Person

    Rachel Meinerding, co-founder of Concept Art Association, co-sponsor of the bill, in support of AB 412.

  • Thomas Umberg

    Legislator

    Thank you.

  • Jana Schirmer

    Person

    My name is Jana Schirmer, and I work in the movie industry. I used to work for Marvel Studios for the last seven years, and I'm in support.

  • Thomas Umberg

    Legislator

    Thank you.

  • Andrew Stumme

    Person

    Andrew Stumme, Associate National Executive Director of the Art Director's Guild-IATSE Local 800 and political coordinator, standing in support.

  • Thomas Umberg

    Legislator

    Thank you.

  • Rashida Racine

    Person

    Rashida Racine, author, essayist, chocolate judge, and business owner, here in support of AB 412, on behalf of my daughter and all of the young generations of creatives who really need a professional future. Thank you.

  • Thomas Umberg

    Legislator

    All right. Thank you. You're the first chocolate judge we've had, so thank you very much.

  • Rebecca Bauer-Kahan

    Legislator

    We need a chocolate judge.

  • Thomas Umberg

    Legislator

    All right. Thank you. That's awesome.

  • Brandon McKinney

    Person

    Hi. My name is Brandon McKinney. I'm a storyboard artist, comic artist, and illustrator standing in strong support--

  • Thomas Umberg

    Legislator

    Thank you.

  • Brandon McKinney

    Person

    --of AB 412.

  • Brianna Murphy

    Person

    Hi. I'm Brianna Murphy. I'm a production designer and art director in IATSE 800-Art Directors Guild, in support.

  • Thomas Umberg

    Legislator

    Thank you.

  • Thomas Willam U. H.

    Person

    Hi. My name is Thomas William U.H. II, longtime Sacramento family, also live in Sonoma County a lot of the time. I'm an artist for Marvel Comics, DC Comics, and currently the illustrator of the nationally syndicated Prince Valiant Sunday strip, which is in hundreds of papers across the country, strongly in support of--

  • Thomas Willam U. H.

    Person

    --in support of AB 12. Thank you.

  • Thomas Umberg

    Legislator

    Thank you.

  • Thomas Umberg

    Legislator

    Thank you very much.

  • Jon Messer

    Person

    Hi. I'm Jon Messer. I'm a longtime illustrator since 1984. I'm the President of the Society of Illustrators of Los Angeles, representing over 200 professional illustrators, strongly in support of this bill.

  • Thomas Umberg

    Legislator

    Thank you.

  • Giacomo Ghiazza

    Person

    My name is Giacomo Ghiazza. We drop-- I'm a storyboard artist working in Hollywood for 35 years doing motion action pictures, science fiction, and I'm in strong support of the bill, so.

  • Thomas Umberg

    Legislator

    All righty. Thank you.

  • Giacomo Ghiazza

    Person

    Yep. Thank you.

  • Hap Henry

    Person

    My name is Hap Henry. I am a Co-President of the Malibu Democratic Club, Chair of the Westside Democratic Headquarters, and the child of a freelance illustrator, encouraging you all to stand in support of AB 412 and support creative working families.

  • Thomas Umberg

    Legislator

    Thank you very much.

  • Hap Henry

    Person

    Thank you.

  • Thomas Umberg

    Legislator

    All right. Thank you.

  • Dan Brereton

    Person

    Hi. I'm Dan Brereton. I'm a freelance illustrator, writer, self-publisher, native Californian, strongly in support of AB 412.

  • Thomas Umberg

    Legislator

    Thank you.

  • Shane Brereton

    Person

    I'm Shane Brereton, I'm from Lincoln, California, I'm a high school student and an artist, and I strongly support AB 412.

  • Thomas Umberg

    Legislator

    Thank you.

  • Unidentified Speaker 007

    My name is Landon, I'm from Lincoln, California, I'm a high school student, and I strongly support AB 412.

  • Thomas Umberg

    Legislator

    Thank you very much.

  • Boluwatife Oriowo

    Person

    Hello. I'm Boluwatife Oriowo. I am a storyboard artist, comic illustrator, and 3D character animator, here on behalf of myself, my peers, and my students in support of AB 412.

  • Thomas Umberg

    Legislator

    Thank you.

  • Steve Orcino

    Person

    I'm Steve Orcino, actor, voice actor, and a board member for the Capital Film Arts Alliance that support hundreds of actors, filmmakers, writers, and other creatives, in support of AB 4112.

  • Thomas Umberg

    Legislator

    Thank you.

  • Michelle Ngo

    Person

    Hi. I'm Michelle Ngo. I'm a local artist here based in Sacramento. It's a full-time small business that I run. I've worked with businesses such as Temple Coffee, Breathe Sacramento, and the Midtown Farmers Market. I'm here in support of AB 412.

  • Thomas Umberg

    Legislator

    Thank you.

  • Kaityln Bui

    Person

    Hi. My name is Kaitlyn Bui. I'm here-- from here in Sacramento, California. I'm an artist, and I work in civil engineering, doing graphics and visualizations for future road plans in California, and I support AB--

  • Kaityln Bui

    Person

    -412.

  • Thomas Umberg

    Legislator

    All right.

  • Thomas Umberg

    Legislator

    Thank you.

  • Trent Osaki

    Person

    Hi. My name is Trent Osaki. I'm based in Sacramento, California. I'm a storyboard artist and production artist currently working in education, and I support AB 412.

  • Thomas Umberg

    Legislator

    Thank you.

  • Yuuki Motani

    Person

    Hello. My name is Yuuki Motani. I'm a story artist and staff member at an art gallery in Downtown Davis, and I am in support of AB 412.

  • Thomas Umberg

    Legislator

    Thank you.

  • Colin Fix

    Person

    I'm Colin Fix. I'm a concept artist. I work in games, VFX, and animation. I'm also a instructor at San Jose State University who teaches in the design department. I've worked on a franchise like Star Wars, God of War, and Game of Thrones--

  • Thomas Umberg

    Legislator

    And you're in support.

  • Colin Fix

    Person

    --and I am in support of AB 412.

  • Thomas Umberg

    Legislator

    Thank you.

  • Annie Fix

    Person

    Hi. My name is Annie Fix. I'm an artist from Hercules, California. I'm here on behalf of myself and three of my kids who hope to be artists in the future, and I'm in support of AB 412.

  • Thomas Umberg

    Legislator

    Thank you.

  • DeDe Cordell

    Person

    Hi. I'm DeDe Cordell. I'm from Rocklin, California, just up the road in Placer County, and I'm a voice actor and small business owner and here in support. Thank you.

  • Thomas Umberg

    Legislator

    Thank you.

  • Scott Gessler

    Person

    Hi. I'm Scott Gessler. I'm a concept artist in the film industry, and I'm here from Santa Cruz, California to voice my support for AB 412.

  • Thomas Umberg

    Legislator

    Thank you.

  • Paul Nguyen

    Person

    Hi. My name is Paul Nguyen. I'm an art director and concept artist. I am in support of AB 412.

  • Thomas Umberg

    Legislator

    Thank you.

  • Jason Courtney

    Person

    Hi. My name is Jason Courtney from Oakland, California. I'm a concept artist who's worked for Electronic Arts, DreamWorks, Telltale Games, and many others. Strongly support AB 412.

  • Thomas Umberg

    Legislator

    Thank you.

  • Zach Larez

    Person

    Hello. I'm Zach Larez, Co-Chair of the Young Artists Committee at the Art Directors Guild. I'm a storyboard artist, photographer, and small business owner. I worked on Riot Games's Esports, Lizzo's It's About Damn Time music video, and on the Adidas commercial playing right now during the World Cup.

  • Thomas Umberg

    Legislator

    And I bet you're in support.

  • Zach Larez

    Person

    And I'm very much in support.

  • Thomas Umberg

    Legislator

    All right. Thank you.

  • Alexandra Kube

    Person

    Hello. My name is Alexandra Kube. I'm a retired animation artist. I worked for a lot of major studios. I live in Fresno currently and retired, and I am in support of AB 412. Thank you.

  • Thomas Umberg

    Legislator

    Thank you.

  • Nicole Longfish

    Person

    Hello. I'm Nicole Longfish. I'm an artist, a small business owner, and I'm from Davis, California, and I support AB 412.

  • Thomas Umberg

    Legislator

    Thank you.

  • Thomas Riley

    Person

    Hello. My name is Thomas Riley. I am a creative independent, and I am in support of AB 12-- or AB 412.

  • Thomas Umberg

    Legislator

    Thank you.

  • David Tobin

    Person

    My name is David Tobin. I'm a former manager of the Roxy Theatre on the Sunset Strip, produced over 50 TV shows and currently the show 3D Printing Nerd. I am in full support of this bill.

  • Thomas Umberg

    Legislator

    Thank you.

  • Leida Anist

    Person

    Hello. My name is Leida Anist, and I'm from Burbank, California. I'm a small business owner, visual artist, and production worker for animation, and I strongly support bill AB 412.

  • Thomas Umberg

    Legislator

    Thank you.

  • Sean Gonzalez

    Person

    Hello. My name is Sean Gonzalez. I'm from Burbank, California. I'm a video editor, and I strongly support AB 412.

  • Thomas Umberg

    Legislator

    Thank you.

  • Kaitlynn Turro

    Person

    Hi. I'm Kaitlynn Turro. I work in animation and education. I'm from Sacramento, and I strongly support AB 412. Thank you.

  • Thomas Umberg

    Legislator

    Thank you.

  • Benton Jew

    Person

    Benton Jew from Los Angeles, ADG member, illustrator and storyboard artist on such films as Phantom Menace and Wonder Woman and Logan and all kinds of stuff like that. I strongly support AB 412. Thank you very much.

  • Thomas Umberg

    Legislator

    All right. Thank you.

  • Alan Mihara

    Person

    Hi. My name is Alan Mihara. I'm a computer support tech and starving artist, but I do support AB 412.

  • Thomas Umberg

    Legislator

    Thank you. If you support AB 412, please queue up. All right. Thank you.

  • Andrew Hagelshaw

    Person

    Hello. My name is Andrew Hagelshaw. I'm the Director of Communications for the Art Directors Guild-IATSE Local 800, representing over 3,000 union members working in the entertainment industry in California and around the United States, and I am strongly in support of AB 412.

  • Thomas Umberg

    Legislator

    Thank you. Anyone else in support of AB 412, now is your time to come forward. All right. Now, we're gonna turn to the opposition. If you're opposed to AB 412, two witnesses, two minutes each. Go ahead.

  • Erika Butler

    Person

    Hi. This is Erika Butler. I'm from Sacramento, California. I'm speaking in opposition to AB 412. I do believe that the goal is admirable. It is important to protect copyright. My only concern is with the feasibility of compliance with this bill. With the way a lot of the datasets are generated, it may not be possible to track down every copyrighted work used in training. I do think that large companies can easily afford the expense to track down their training data and find out what was trained, but it might be harder or less feasible for smaller companies to do that, and that might shut them out of the market and hamper competition. Thank you. That is why I oppose. Thank you.

  • Thomas Umberg

    Legislator

    All right. Thank you very much. If you're opposed to AB 412, please approach the microphone.

  • Adam Eisgrau

    Person

    Thank you, and good afternoon, Mr. Chairman and members of the committee. I'm Adam Eisgrau for Chamber of Progress. I respectfully urge a no vote on the bill. The concerns driving this bill are understandable. Creators want meaningful tools to protect their work and greater transparency regarding how AI systems are developed, but AB 412 raises serious legal concerns.

  • Adam Eisgrau

    Person

    The bill is designed to help rights holders determine whether their works were used to train AI models and to pursue legal claims based on that information, yet federal courts are still deciding the underlying legal question, whether AI training constitutes copyright infringement at all. Indeed, the only two federal court decisions to squarely address that central issue, both in the Northern District of California, have concluded the training can qualify as non-infringing legal fair use under federal copyright law.

  • Adam Eisgrau

    Person

    With more than 100 such cases still pending, California should not--we respectively submit--create a new state law regime that effectively assumes the answer before federal courts have established the governing rules. AB 412 also raises serious concerns under federal copyright preemption law. Copyright is exclusively governed by a national framework enacted by Congress, and California--we again respectfully suggest--should be cautious about creating new state law obligations in this area.

  • Adam Eisgrau

    Person

    The bill's sweeping mandate to find and disclose information to parties who may not even hold valid copyrights also raises substantial First Amendment compelled disclosure concerns. Setting the legal concerns aside, the emergence of new technological tools since AB 412 was introduced last March make the bill increasingly unnecessary.

  • Adam Eisgrau

    Person

    Over the past year, creators have gained access to a growing set of market-based tools that already address many of the concerns motivating this bill. Website operators can block AI crawlers. Artists can use tools, as you've heard in testimony, such as Nightshade and Glaze to deter AI training. Watermarking and content--

  • Thomas Umberg

    Legislator

    Go ahead and wrap it up, please.

  • Adam Eisgrau

    Person

    Yes, sir. Watermarking and content provenance technologies allow creators to identify and protect their work. In sum, sir--ten seconds--where practical solutions already exist, California should not adopt a legally uncertain framework guaranteed to generate years of litigation. I'm sorry, sir?

  • Thomas Umberg

    Legislator

    You're going to urge us to vote no. I'm just guessing.

  • Adam Eisgrau

    Person

    Indeed, I am. Thank you, sir.

  • Thomas Umberg

    Legislator

    All right. Thank you very much. Okay. All right. Others opposed to AB 412, please come forward.

  • Sophia Quach

    Person

    Sophia Quach, on behalf of the Bay Area Council, in respectful opposition.

  • Thomas Umberg

    Legislator

    Thank you.

  • Isabel Migan

    Person

    Isabel Migan, on behalf of the Silicon Valley Leadership Group, in respectful opposition. Thank you.

  • Yarelie Magallon

    Person

    Yarelie Magallon, on behalf of the Business Software Alliance. Respectfully opposed.

  • Brooke Benetti

    Person

    Brooke Benetti with Kaiser Advocacy, in opposition, on behalf of the Electronic Frontier Foundation.

  • Thomas Umberg

    Legislator

    Thank you.

  • Jack Yanos

    Person

    Jack Yanos with Sloat Higgins Jensen, on behalf of the Consumer Technology Association. Thank you.

  • Annalee Akin

    Person

    Annalee Augustine with the Civil Justice Association of California, respectfully opposed. Thank you.

  • Thomas Umberg

    Legislator

    Thank you.

  • Laura Bennett

    Person

    Laura Bennett, on behalf of California Chamber of Commerce, in opposition.

  • Eileen Ricker

    Person

    Eileen Ricker with California's Credit Unions in oppose unless amend. Thank you.

  • Thomas Umberg

    Legislator

    Thank you.

  • Naomi Padron

    Person

    Naomi Padron, on behalf of the Computer and Communications Industry Association. Respectfully opposed.

  • Thomas Umberg

    Legislator

    Thank you.

  • Mollie Corcoran

    Person

    Mollie Corcoran, on behalf of American Innovators Network, in opposition. Thank you.

  • Thomas Umberg

    Legislator

    Thank you very much. Anyone else opposed to AB 412, now is the time to come forward. All right. Seeing no one else coming forward, let's bring it back to committee for questions by committee members. Senator Niello.

  • Roger Niello

    Legislator

    Thank you. The purpose of the bill, I think, is supportable. I'm curious about the testimony that indicated some question from the federal level on a court case, but what concerns me about it is the private right of action, and this is just the sort of private right of action allowance that can create the mischief that's created around ADA violations, Proposition 65 violations, things like that. Perhaps you can respond to my skepticism.

  • Rebecca Bauer-Kahan

    Legislator

    Through the Chair?

  • Thomas Umberg

    Legislator

    Go ahead.

  • Rebecca Bauer-Kahan

    Legislator

    Thank you, Senator, for the question, and as a former defense lawyer myself, I understand the concern, but that is why the bill is limited to registered copyright holders. So you actually have to own the copyright to have a claim here, and then the amendment being taken here today would require even a step further, which is as the registered copyright holder, you have to notify them that you think they're in violation of law and they have 30 days to meet the obligations of the bill before you could even bring a claim.

  • Rebecca Bauer-Kahan

    Legislator

    And that 30 days is for them to just give you an answer, right? The bill is fairly simple. It says yes or no. We use this copyright material. And so we think both with the addition of the right to cure here in committee today and then narrow the scope of who has a right under this bill that it wouldn't lead to the same vexatious litigation that I think is reasonably a concern anytime we have a private right of action, frankly, but we've worked hard to eliminate that need. And then, on the point of the federal lawsuit, which is a fair one, yes, there is federal preemption as to some things in copyright law.

  • Rebecca Bauer-Kahan

    Legislator

    We couldn't create our own copyright law scheme. However, federal law does not cover transparency, which is why this very narrow avenue is available to us and allows us to give transparency to California's artists, who I just, if given the privilege, wanna thank for being here today because I think the fact that they flew and showed up and took the day off of work to be here shows the importance of protecting our creative economy and the people who drive it every day. So, hope that addressed your question.

  • Roger Niello

    Legislator

    So to clarify the private right of action, the-- only the party, the aggrieved party, if you will, has a right to bring the private right of action?

  • Rebecca Bauer-Kahan

    Legislator

    Yes. That's the plaintiff.

  • Roger Niello

    Legislator

    That being the case, would you have to have the private right of action since the bill itself creates the violation and the aggrieved party would be able to bring an action irrespective of the private right of action enablement?

  • Rebecca Bauer-Kahan

    Legislator

    What would they bring that-- what would the enforcement be if not for the private right of action?

  • Roger Niello

    Legislator

    Whatever the bill specifies as law, the law would be violated and the action would be on the basis of violation of the law. Maybe I'm misunderstanding something.

  • Thomas Umberg

    Legislator

    This-- I think this simply clarifies that the copyright holder, the aggrieved--

  • Thomas Umberg

    Legislator

    --individual or entity then has a right of action.

  • Rebecca Bauer-Kahan

    Legislator

    Yes.

  • Rebecca Bauer-Kahan

    Legislator

    Yeah.

  • Thomas Umberg

    Legislator

    I take your point that there's an assumption in any law that there's some ability for the aggrieved party to to bring an action, but this makes it clear.

  • Rebecca Bauer-Kahan

    Legislator

    Okay. Thank you, Mr. Chair.

  • Rebecca Bauer-Kahan

    Legislator

    Sorry that I was misunderstanding.

  • Roger Niello

    Legislator

    Well, I have--

  • Roger Niello

    Legislator

    I have supported, but usually I'm opposed to private rights of action for the reason that I implied. Where it's limited to the party that's being damaged by the action, I have supported it, so that can make sense.

  • Rebecca Bauer-Kahan

    Legislator

    Thank you, Senator.

  • Thomas Umberg

    Legislator

    It's up to--

  • Rebecca Bauer-Kahan

    Legislator

    I am not the chair, Mr. Chair. It is up to the chair.

  • Thomas Umberg

    Legislator

    Yes. Would you like someone else to respond?

  • Roger Niello

    Legislator

    No, thanks.

  • Thomas Umberg

    Legislator

    Okay. All right. Thank you. All right. Other questions or comments? Yes. Senator Durazo.

  • María Elena Durazo

    Legislator

    I'm by no means the expert on this, but I was-- a question was raised to me about tweaking in terms of the tech companies asking for information to make sure that it's reasonable information. Do you know what I'm talking about here?

  • Rebecca Bauer-Kahan

    Legislator

    So we have--

  • María Elena Durazo

    Legislator

    If you could-- my real question is, would you look at that and continue to work with them about that concern?

  • Rebecca Bauer-Kahan

    Legislator

    Absolutely. And it is-- this is a two-year bill. It was held in this committee last year and then was served in Privacy last week and here today, and we've made significant changes to the information needed to meet some of the technical and feasibility challenges they presented, but happy to continue to look at that.

  • María Elena Durazo

    Legislator

    Great. Thank you. It's great to see everybody here. Thank you for being here.

  • Thomas Umberg

    Legislator

    All righty. Thank you. A couple comments. First of all, Assembly Member Baur-Kahan, you've been working on this for a long time. I appreciate your passion, your hard work, and your practical application. Thank you to all those who've traveled from so far, both for this hearing and we had a hearing, as you noted, at Stanford Law School early in the year because this is such an important bill and we want to get it right. And so, I am gonna support the bill. We don't have a quorum, but would you like to close?

  • Rebecca Bauer-Kahan

    Legislator

    Thank you, Mr. Chair. I appreciate your partnership, and I just wanna reiterate the gratitude you have both expressed to the artists. I mean, I love being a Californian. I'm a lifelong Californian, and I believe it is the creative brilliance of the people who showed up here today and others who make California what it is. So thank you. We're here to protect each and every one of them, and I respectfully ask for the aye vote when the time is appropriate.

  • Thomas Umberg

    Legislator

    All right. And unfortunately--

  • Rebecca Bauer-Kahan

    Legislator

    That was it. You got through one.

  • Thomas Umberg

    Legislator

    Sorry?

  • Rebecca Bauer-Kahan

    Legislator

    We got through one.

  • Thomas Umberg

    Legislator

    Yes. We got through one. Unfortunately, we are going to have to recess now until 1:30 at such time as that Senator Niello will chair the committee, and we will come back to Assembly Member Bauer-Kahan's remaining three bills plus the other bills that are pending. So we're in recess till 1:30.

  • Roger Niello

    Legislator

    Who's keeping time for it?

  • Committee Secretary

    I will.

  • Roger Niello

    Legislator

    Yeah. Is sixty seconds up yet? I think sixty seconds is up.

  • Committee Secretary

    That's for sure.

  • Roger Niello

    Legislator

    We will call the Judiciary Committee meeting to order and I see that Assemblyman Berman is here. So that will be item number 12, AB 2682.

  • Marc Berman

    Legislator

    Thank you, Mister vice Chair. Last year, Assembly member Wicks and I authored AB 1340, which was transformational legis transformational legislation to empower transportation network company drivers with the right to unionize. Our prior bill established a detailed process for the selection of a driver organization to represent rideshare workers and charge the Public Employment Relations Board with oversight. Subsequent to passage, it was discovered that we neglected to authorize the streamlined appeal process from a PERB decision or order that is provided in other collective bargaining statutes.

  • Marc Berman

    Legislator

    AB 2682 would simply conform the TNC law with other collective bargaining statutes administered by PERB and allow a party to seek judicial review of a final decision or order.

  • Marc Berman

    Legislator

    Respectfully ask for your aye vote. And my witness is stuck in line, so we'll just move forward without him.

  • Roger Niello

    Legislator

    Okay. I hope.

  • Roger Niello

    Legislator

    So he's stuck in trying to get in the building?

  • Marc Berman

    Legislator

    It's he's he's TBD. Good question.

  • Roger Niello

    Legislator

    Alright. Well Not here. Do we have anybody here to speak in favor of the of this proposal? Seeing none come forward. Are there any is there anybody here opposed?

  • Roger Niello

    Legislator

    Primary witnesses opposed? Any Me Too testimony opposed? Seeing none to come forward, we will now bring it back to the committee and by the by the power invested in me, I temporary vice Chair of the committee, since I'm in charge. Any questions or comments?

  • María Elena Durazo

    Legislator

    No. Does anything else we

  • Roger Niello

    Legislator

    could do? Take over?

  • Roger Niello

    Legislator

    We could reduce the size of the committee to just two. We can't do that. We can't do that. When we achieve a quorum sometime between now and midnight, I'm sure the bill bill will have a a motion and we'll take a vote then. You may close.

  • Marc Berman

    Legislator

    At the at the appropriate time, respectfully ask for a vote.

  • Roger Niello

    Legislator

    Thank you.

  • Marc Berman

    Legislator

    Thank you very much. Good luck today.

  • Roger Niello

    Legislator

    And let's see. Who do we have? Simulan, is is a settlement Jackson next? Do we have more than one?

  • Unidentified Speaker 007

    Lamb out.

  • Roger Niello

    Legislator

    No. Okay.

  • Unidentified Speaker 008

    There's nobody else.

  • Roger Niello

    Legislator

    Nobody else. You're the only one. This is item 26.

  • Roger Niello

    Legislator

    Right.

  • Roger Niello

    Legislator

    AB 12O1.

  • Corey Jackson

    Legislator

    Thank you, very much. I might be in the same situation. Oh, there we go. There we go. This is AB 12O1, which narrows the scope of when a parent's past violent felony conviction can be used to deny them family reunification services.

  • Corey Jackson

    Legislator

    Currently, a parent who was previously convicted of any violent felony, even one with no connection to their child or family, can have reunification services denied, to them. AB 121 ensures that this disqualification only applies when it's actually relevant, when the violent felony was committed against a child or against someone with whom the parent shared a child at the time of the offense.

  • Corey Jackson

    Legislator

    With me today to testify in support is Fadel, Chagoya with All of Us or None and Amanda, Kershner with the County Welfare Directors Association of California.

  • Fidel Chagoya

    Person

    Good afternoon, Chair and members. My name is Fidel Chigoya, and I am currently an organizer and project manager with Riverside All of Us or None at Starting Over Inc. Starting Over Inc is a nonprofit organization dedicated to helping formerly incarcerated individuals secure housing, employment, and expunging their criminal records. I hold a certificate of rehabilitation and a master's in clinical mental health counseling from the University of Redlands. I'm speaking to you today because I am a formerly incarcerated parent who lost my rights as a parent.

  • Fidel Chagoya

    Person

    My daughter Zoe, my first child was born in 2016 when I was 39 years old. By then, I had been out of prison for six years and off parole for four. I had worked tirelessly to create a stable life, securing steady employment, stable housing, and reliable transportation. During childbirth, Zoe's mother tested positive for opiates because of Tylenol with codeine that was prescribed by a dentist and having previously lost parental rights to her other children.

  • Fidel Chagoya

    Person

    This triggered the involvement of San Bernardino County's Children and Family Services who looked at my past criminal record and said I should not have an opportunity to even reunify with my child due to welfare institution code section three six one point five b 12, the bypass provision.

  • Fidel Chagoya

    Person

    My parental rights were terminated. And in 2019, Zoe was adopted out with a 119 other children in San Bernardino County. Even though my prior criminal history had no bearing on whether I would be a good parent or not. If this change in law proposed by AB 121 existed at the time of my case, I would have had an opportunity of getting reunification services with my daughter.

  • Fidel Chagoya

    Person

    I'm here for you to consider making sure that many parents like me who have felonies unrelated to their ability to be a parent and in many cases have paid their debt to society a fair chance of getting their children back.

  • Fidel Chagoya

    Person

    For these reasons, I express my support for AB 121. Thank you, Chair members.

  • Roger Niello

    Legislator

    Thank you. Is there a second, primary witness?

  • Amanda Kirchner

    Person

    Good afternoon, Mr. Chair and Senators. Amanda Kirchner on behalf of County Welfare Directors Association. We are here in support. When a family enters the child welfare system, our mandate is the safety of the child, but our goal is reunification with the family.

  • Amanda Kirchner

    Person

    In order to do so, parents participate in reunification services such as counseling, substance use treatment, housing supports, and parenting classes. There are circumstances, however, when parents are not allowed to have reunification services, including when a parent has a violent felony in their past. When a parent has a violent felony as defined by the California penal code, services need not be offered to them, which is known as bypass, and generally means parents will have little to no ability to reunify with their child while in foster care.

  • Amanda Kirchner

    Person

    It's important to note that bypass for violent felonies applies to a parent regardless of how long ago the felony occurred, circumstances around the felony, or any rehabilitation since the felony. This can lead to frustrating situations where a parent with a previous violent felony who is otherwise a safe parent and is not the reason for child welfare involvement may be bypassed for services and have parental rights terminated.

  • Amanda Kirchner

    Person

    AB 121 limits violent felony bypass to violent felonies against a child or the parent or guardian of a child shared by the parent who will be bypassed. We believe this change is narrow, but important to ensure that parents who have a violent felony in their past but who have not harmed a child can participate in reunification services. Importantly, AB 121 now gives these parents previously barred a chance at reunification services, but it does not require their children be returned to them.

  • Amanda Kirchner

    Person

    They still have to do the work and comply with a court ordered case plan reviewed by the dependency court judge who determines when and if the child will be returned. The heart of our work in child welfare is that parents sometimes need a second chance.

  • Amanda Kirchner

    Person

    And with that help, AB 121 furthers that work while still ensuring child safety. We ask for your support. Thank you.

  • Roger Niello

    Legislator

    Thank you. Now, others, in support of the bill, name, organization, and position.

  • Michael Henning

    Person

    Michael Henning on behalf of the California Alliance of Child and Family Services in support.

  • Rebecca Gonzales

    Person

    Rebecca Gonzales, Western Center on Law and Poverty in support.

  • Michael Hefty

    Person

    Michael Hefty, court appointed counsel for parents in Los Angeles County with the Los Angeles Dependency Lawyers in strong support.

  • Kristen Embers

    Person

    Kristen Embers with the California Black Power Network in strong support.

  • Roger Niello

    Legislator

    Others in favor? Seeing none come forward. Now, we'll move to the opposition. Any primary witnesses opposed to the bill? Do we have anybody else here in opposition to the bill that wishes to state so?

  • Roger Niello

    Legislator

    Seeing none come forward, bring it back to the dais. Questions or comments?

  • María Elena Durazo

    Legislator

    Thank you, Mr. Chair. Just to just to comment, thank the author for doing this and everybody that you're working with, the organizations. I think it's really important to open the door a little bit and allow certain very limited situations for parents and families to get back together again. So I know on the on the work that I've done around, the justice system, family and connection to family is really important. So Thank you very much.

  • Corey Jackson

    Legislator

    Thank you.

  • María Elena Durazo

    Legislator

    I will move the bill when appropriate.

  • Roger Niello

    Legislator

    So, when we achieve a quorum, there'll be a motion, I'm sure, and we'll take the vote then. You may close.

  • Corey Jackson

    Legislator

    Respectfully ask ask for an aye vote at the appropriate time.

  • Corey Jackson

    Legislator

    Thank you.

  • Roger Niello

    Legislator

    Thank you.

  • Roger Niello

    Legislator

    So we are looking for authors. Any author that has a

  • Margie Estrada

    Person

    Oh. Oh.

  • Margie Estrada

    Person

    There is an author. Tell him to come out.

  • Roger Niello

    Legislator

    Come on up.

  • Margie Estrada

    Person

    I think that's Rogers. Right?

  • Margie Estrada

    Person

    No. Or Sharpe Collins? Okay. I guess I missed

  • Margie Estrada

    Person

    oh, Garcia, '1770.

  • Roger Niello

    Legislator

    So this is what's the item number?

  • Margie Estrada

    Person

    The file item God, there there aren't many of them.

  • Roger Niello

    Legislator

    20. This is, file item 20, AB 1770, Assemblymember Garcia. You may proceed.

  • Robert Garcia

    Legislator

    Thank you, Mister Chair. Good afternoon, everyone. Thank you for the opportunity to present AB 1770, a bipartisan bill that restores faith in the arbitration process. This bill was inspired, by missus Linda Lee Martinez who unfortunately passed away due to her misdiagnosed battle with breast cancer. Private health plans require binding arbitration to resolve malpractice claims.

  • Robert Garcia

    Legislator

    Arbitrators can make factual and legal errors and those errors go unchecked. AB 1770 would make arbitration proceedings and outcomes involving health care service plans subject to oversight by the attorney general under DOJ authority. This bill is about restoring faith in the arbitration process because Californians deserve just a just and equitable path towards resolving health care claims. With me to testify, I'm honored to have Mister Steven Martinez from Patient Equity Coalition and Javier Morales from Praxis Project.

  • Steve Martinez

    Person

    Good afternoon, Chair, members. I'm Steve Martinez. I'm a retired aerospace engineer here today to explain why I think it's important for you to protect patients forced into private arbitration. Linda Lee's story is why I'm here. In 2010, she noticed a lump on her left breast.

  • Steve Martinez

    Person

    Naturally, she called for an appointment with her long standing OBGYN. The HMO denied the appointment, instead sending her to a local HMO run clinic. At the clinic, an unsupervised physician assistant dismissed a breast lump in Linda Lee, a 55 year old postmenopausal woman. Despite an 85% percent chance that it was cancer, the PA prescribed warm compresses, a sports bra, and a void chocolate. We would later find out that Linda Lee did have breast cancer and had already spread beyond the breast.

  • Steve Martinez

    Person

    Despite the clear misdiagnosis, we are forced into the private binding arbitration at great cost. Surgeons who wrote the standard of care testified that the HMO had failed to follow its own documented procedures. The arbitration process was almost as bad as the cancer. The HMO argued that Linda Lee was to blame for her own breast cancer. We thought this victim blaming could never carry the day, but when the verdict came in, the arbitrator ruled for the HMO.

  • Steve Martinez

    Person

    We later learned the arbitrator was being paid by the health plan and had a long standing financial relationship. We also learned if an arbitrator rules against an HMO, the HMO simply declines the arbitrator in future cases. This creates a powerful financial incentive to rule for the HMO every time. An important step to protecting patients is to empower the attorney general to provide oversight. That's what we're asking for here.

  • Steve Martinez

    Person

    We believe doing so will help target the financial bias that is at the heart of the problem where HMOs are favored and patients like Linda Lee are left with no recourse. Linda Lee passed away. She can't be here to ask you to pass her law, but I can. Please vote to help make the process more fair for California patients.

  • Roger Niello

    Legislator

    Thank you. Next witness.

  • Javier Morales

    Person

    Chair, vice Chair Niello, and members of the committee. My name is Javier Morales. I'm the executive director of the Praxis Project. We're a national health advocacy organization based in California that works to advance community priorities for health. We're proud to be cosponsors on AB 1770.

  • Javier Morales

    Person

    When care gets denied, people with resources and connections know what to do. And we've seen that even though sometimes when you know what to do, the the system's built against you. But the people that, you know, they have the time, they have the language, the lawyer, or the savvy to push back until someone listens.

  • Javier Morales

    Person

    But that is not most people for a working parent with two jobs for an elder who speaks limited English for a family already stretched thin, a denial is often the end of the road. Not because they were wrong, but because the system was never built for them to fight back.

  • Javier Morales

    Person

    And the system they're up against is structurally tilted. When a dispute goes to arbitration, the arbitrator often depends on repeat business from the very health plan that's being challenged. This is a built in incentive that undermines neutrality. Proceedings under the current system face little meaningful review, so serious errors and bias may go unchecked. AB 1777, AB 1770 begins to fix that.

  • Javier Morales

    Person

    It empowers the Department of Justice to oversee whether plans actually comply with the California Arbitration Act. This is what fairness looks like in practice and is why the Praxis Project and patient advocates across the state stand behind this bill. A fairer appeal process makes a fairer healthcare system. I respectfully urge your aye vote.

  • Roger Niello

    Legislator

    Thank you very much. Others, in, favor of the bill, name, organization, and position.

  • Michael Henning

    Person

    Michael Henning, California Alliance of Child and Family Services in support.

  • Ignacio Hernandez

    Person

    Good afternoon. Ignacio Hernandez, authorized to register support on behalf of APA Family Support Services, Asian Pacific Partners for Empowerment Advocacy and Leadership, Black Women for Wellness, Healthy Black Families, Khmer Girls in Action, Multicultural Institute, and the Prevention Institute. Oh, I'm sorry.

  • Ignacio Hernandez

    Person

    And also the Alameda County Democratic Party.

  • Brooke Benetti

    Person

    Hi. Brooke Bernetti with Kaiser Advocacy in support on behalf of the California Low Income Consumer Coalition.

  • Roger Niello

    Legislator

    Thank you. Others in support? Seeing none come forward, move to the opposition. Primary witness opposed.

  • Angelica Gonzalez

    Person

    Hi. Good afternoon. I'm Helica Gonzales with Kaiser Permanente. Not an opposition, but with some remaining concerns. We appreciate the amendments that the author and sponsors have taken, in the Assembly.

  • Angelica Gonzalez

    Person

    We have, a few more, fixes that we would like, but we appreciate the continued conversation with their office and with the committee here. So thank you.

  • Roger Niello

    Legislator

    Any others here opposed or with concerns? Seeing none come forward, bring it back to the dais. I see that we're getting closer to a quorum. Yeah, very good. So any questions or comments?

  • Roger Niello

    Legislator

    Yes, Senator Durazo.

  • María Elena Durazo

    Legislator

    Thank you, Mister Chair. I I wanna thank you for bringing, forth, you know, in the labor movement, I always sort of grew up looking at arbitration as the thing that you really wanted. It was the goal because it was the only way to have a level playing field. But I realized over the years that the rules for what happens and how you'd participate in arbitration are what really matter. And if the rules are balanced, if the rules are fair, then you can get a fair arbitrator.

  • María Elena Durazo

    Legislator

    You can get a fair discovery process. You can everything becomes, you know, equalized. And so, I think anything we can do to fix the arbitration systems that works for anybody and makes it fair for anybody, so much better than litigation. It's so much better than having to go to court and it's so much more expensive doing it that way. So I hope this gets more fixed.

  • Roger Niello

    Legislator

    Thank you, Senator. Appreciate it. Other questions or comments? Seeing none. We're getting close to a quorum, but we're not there yet.

  • Roger Niello

    Legislator

    When we do, I'm sure there'll be a motion. We'll take a vote then. You may close.

  • Robert Garcia

    Legislator

    Thank you, Mister Chair. I respectfully ask for an aye vote when the time is appropriate. Thank you. Thank you.

  • Roger Niello

    Legislator

    So we're looking for Assembly members Brian, Rogers, Blanca Rubio, Sharp-Collins, Wicks, Zbur. Oh, Bauer-Kahan. Oh, she has she presented one bill. She's got a couple more to go.

  • Roger Niello

    Legislator

    Any of those that show up, you'll be able to get right to the microphone.

  • Roger Niello

    Legislator

    Yeah. That's what we'll do. We'll send the sergeants out after them. No, we won't. Just please come.

  • María Elena Durazo

    Legislator

    Yeah.

  • Roger Niello

    Legislator

    That's what we're all doing. That's what we're all doing right now. And while I'm at it, let me ask other members of the Senate Judiciary Committee to report. We have five of us here. We need two more for a quorum.

  • Roger Niello

    Legislator

    So even if you can come in just to make the quorum, you can hear my voice, please come on down as they say.

  • Blanca Rubio

    Legislator

    I do.

  • Roger Niello

    Legislator

    Would you like to

  • Blanca Rubio

    Legislator

    I'll do 2439 because I don't know what number that is on your list and I have it right here. 40. AB 2430 47?

  • Roger Niello

    Legislator

    24, AB2439?

  • Blanca Rubio

    Legislator

    Yes.

  • Roger Niello

    Legislator

    That's what we'll start with.

  • Blanca Rubio

    Legislator

    Thank you. And thank you for letting me, hop in, on such short notice. I didn't wanna be here till midnight. But, thank you, Mr. Chair and Vice Chair and committee members for giving me the opportunity to present AB 2439.

  • Blanca Rubio

    Legislator

    I have a scenario. Imagine paying HOA dues on time only to find out later that find I find out later that your HOA has changed. Payment vendors never properly notified notified you, and you're facing late fees and a lien on your home or set to collections. That is not hypothetical. That is happening.

  • Blanca Rubio

    Legislator

    And if this is happening to me, Assembly and Assembly member Loanta as state representatives, I can't imagine all of the other Californians who don't have an elevated voice like we do who are dealing with the same situation. HOA members are also dealing with confusing, inconsistent communication where basic information like where and how to pay is unclear if changes are made.

  • Blanca Rubio

    Legislator

    And just as troubling, we've seen unequal enforcement of rules like being cited for parking in front of your own home on public street while others are not. This these situations don't just create frustration, they create financial harm, stress, and a breakdown of trust. This bill sets a simple reasonable standard.

  • Blanca Rubio

    Legislator

    If an HOA changes how you pay, they must clearly notify the members so there's no confusion and all parties are protected. It adds accountability when that doesn't happen, and it makes clear that HOAs cannot overreach onto public streets where homeowners have a right to park. For most people, their home is their largest investment and their sense of stability. They should not have to worry about surprising fees, unclear rule rules, or arbitrary enforcement. Thank you tremendously and seriously.

  • Blanca Rubio

    Legislator

    The Committee, the Chair and the Committee have been fast fantastic. We were on Zooms several times. Just wanted to thank them for their hard work. And we have created amendments that I know some folks were uncomfortable, with some of the provisions of the bill, so Senator Umbrg and the the, committee consultants were very instrumental in helping us reach a compromise. AB 2,439 is about protecting home protecting people from avoidable harm and restoring confidence in HOA governance.

  • Blanca Rubio

    Legislator

    And Assemblymember Lowenthal is running around like we are. He is a joint author, so I will be presenting on my own. And, thank you for that, and I respectfully ask for an eye vote.

  • Roger Niello

    Legislator

    Do you have any, witnesses?

  • Blanca Rubio

    Legislator

    Assemblymember Lowenthal was my primary witness, so I do not.

  • Roger Niello

    Legislator

    Okay. Alright. Alright. Is there anybody here who is in support of this bill that would like to so state? Seeing none come forward, are there any primary witnesses opposed?

  • Roger Niello

    Legislator

    You may proceed.

  • Louis Brown Jr.

    Person

    Morning, Mister Chair or good afternoon, Mister Chair, members of the committee. Louis Brown here today on behalf of the Community Associations Institute. Appreciate the work of the committee and the work of the author. This bill has come a long ways. The one issue that we remain concerned with is the personal liability, that a board member would be exposed to.

  • Louis Brown Jr.

    Person

    Now I understand and I've seen the amendments that the likelihood of this happening is probably pretty slim. Three violations of failure to do the procedure in five years. But the precedent that we will actually have a volunteer board member personally liable for a violation of the association is one that we find troubling. We also believe that it's against public policy and case law where we try to promote, these types of, volunteer leaders to come forward.

  • Louis Brown Jr.

    Person

    And so, we'll continue our conversations with the author, but for that reason, we remain opposed to the bill.

  • Louis Brown Jr.

    Person

    Thank

  • Roger Niello

    Legislator

    you. Thank you. Anyone else opposed to the bill that would like to so state seeing no one come forward, we will, bring it back to the, committee. We, for all judiciary committee members that are within sound of my voice, we only need one more to make a quorum. So please come on down.

  • Roger Niello

    Legislator

    We will bring discussion of this back to the committee. Any questions or comments? And you accepted the committee suggested amendments? Absolutely. They've been accepted.

  • Roger Niello

    Legislator

    Very good. Any questions or comments from the committee? Seeing none, we need one more for a quorum. When we get that, I'm sure there'll be a motion. Take a vote then.

  • Blanca Rubio

    Legislator

    Tackle him so he doesn't leave. Thank you. You

  • Roger Niello

    Legislator

    stay here, Wiener. Thank you. You may close.

  • Blanca Rubio

    Legislator

    Yes. Thank you. I would, kindly request an aye vote when appropriate.

  • Roger Niello

    Legislator

    Thank you.

  • Blanca Rubio

    Legislator

    Okay. Then

  • Roger Niello

    Legislator

    And 46. Yes. AB 1622. Yes.

  • Blanca Rubio

    Legislator

    Thank you, Mister Chair and senators, for giving me the opportunity to yet again, present AB 1622. This bill makes permanent the local government permitting reform regarding the installation of electrified security alarm fences fence systems enacted in law by AB 2371, authored by Assemblymember Juan Carrillo, which was approved unanimously by the Senate and signed, by governor, Newsom as an urgency bill in 2024.

  • Blanca Rubio

    Legislator

    AB 2371 streamlines the local permitting process to allow specified types of business owners to install battery powered electrified security fencing to deter and prevent commercial property crimes, such as theft of cargo, vehicles, construction equipment, materials, and utility infrastructure. Following the enactment of AB 2371 in September 2024, more than 800 businesses have quickly received protections through the security alarm system fencing with permit review and processing now averaging only 19.

  • Blanca Rubio

    Legislator

    AB 2371 worked extremely well for both local government and businesses, and ABN sixteen twenty two simply ensures businesses can continue to rely on this critical security technology.

  • Blanca Rubio

    Legislator

    Repealing the Sunset Clause grants businesses the regulatory certainty they need moving forward. This bill has enjoyed bipartisan, unanimous support and has no opposition. And again, would like to thank the committee, Senator Umberg and the committee, for their work on this. We we're on the same Zoom. So as of right now, we threw that in there as well to make sure that we talked about it and, you know, that, the Senator and the committee was okay with that.

  • Blanca Rubio

    Legislator

    And with that, and with me today, in support of the bill, I have Marisol Ibarra on behalf of the Family Business Association of California and the Bay Area Council cosponsors of AB 1622, Yolanda Benson on behalf of the, on behalf of California Hispanic Chamber of Commerce. Thank you.

  • Marisol Rivera

    Person

    Hi, everybody. Marisol Rivera on behalf of the Family Business Association and the Bay Area Council, cosponsors of AB 1622. AB 1622 removes the sunset on a critical security protection for California's commercial and industrial businesses. Are businesses that store vehicles, equipment, freight, and utility infrastructure, prime targets for theft, vandalism, and criminal transpads. Since these protections to effect, over 800 businesses have been approved in the average of nineteen days.

  • Marisol Rivera

    Person

    F FDA members like Holt and California and Caterpillar have been avert have been virtual elimination of criminal trespass on their properties. This framework is working. Local governments have have embraced this compliance, and no opposition has been received from any of our local governments. AB 1622 simply ensures these protections do not expire and that California businesses continue to have the tools in their toolbox to protect their employees, their property, and their livelihoods. The Family Business Association and the Bay Area Council urge your aye vote.

  • Marisol Rivera

    Person

    Thank you.

  • Roger Niello

    Legislator

    Thank you. Next witness.

  • Yolanda Benson

    Person

    Thank you. Yolanda Benson representing the California Hispanic Chambers of Commerce. We are in strong support of AB 1622. As was mentioned, it's simply an extension of AB 2371 that was signed as mentioned in 2024. A 2371 brought needed permit reforms that small businesses at that before then had to wait up to five years to obtain and to operate an alarm system to protect their employees and their inventories and their business.

  • Yolanda Benson

    Person

    These businesses have seen a virtual elimination of criminal trespasses on their properties. Local governments, as mentioned, have embraced the compliance of AB 2371 and have no concerns with AB 1622, which, again, repeals the the sunset date. For the reasons we ask for your aye vote and strongly support AB 1622. Quorum.

  • Roger Niello

    Legislator

    Thank you. And at the conclusion of your testimony, we have that magical moment. We have, seven members here to establish a quorum. Please call the roll.

  • Blanca Rubio

    Legislator

    Umberg? Nilo?

  • Roger Niello

    Legislator

    Here.

  • Blanca Rubio

    Legislator

    Nilo here. Alan?

  • Benjamin Allen

    Legislator

    Here.

  • Blanca Rubio

    Legislator

    Alan here. Ashby?

  • Angelique Ashby

    Legislator

    Here.

  • Blanca Rubio

    Legislator

    Ashby here. Caballero? Caballero present. Durazo? Here.

  • Blanca Rubio

    Legislator

    Carasso here. Laird? Here. Laird here. Reyes.

  • Blanca Rubio

    Legislator

    Stern. Beladares? Here. Beladares here. Wahab, Weber Pearson, Weiner.

  • Blanca Rubio

    Legislator

    Here. Weiner here. You have a quorum.

  • Roger Niello

    Legislator

    Alleluia. Moving on to continuing with witnesses in support, those also in support of the bill. State your name, organization, and position.

  • Sophia Quach

    Person

    Hi. Sophia Quach on behalf of the Bay Area Council, proud cosponsor and strong support.

  • Tony Gonzalez

    Person

    Tony Gonzalez on behalf of MROC in support of the bill. Thank you.

  • Sherry McHugh

    Person

    Sherry McHugh representing the Self Storage Association and the California Manufacturers and Technology Association in support of the bill.

  • Chris Strong

    Person

    Thank you. Chris Strong with Capital FC on behalf of Republic Services in support.

  • Randy Perry

    Person

    Randy Perry on behalf of Porak in support.

  • Roger Niello

    Legislator

    And seeing no other witnesses in support, move to the opposition. Do we have a primary witness, in opposition to the bill, seeing none come forward? Are there any others, in the room who are opposed to the bill that would like to say so, and seeing none come forward? Bring it back to our quorum. Comments.

  • Roger Niello

    Legislator

    You may close. Okay. So we have a motion, and we can take our first vote of the day. Please call the roll.

  • Blanca Rubio

    Legislator

    Yeah. And you're sure to get

  • Blanca Rubio

    Legislator

    This is file item number 46, AB 1622. The motion is do passed to the Senate Local Government Committee. Umberg, Milo?

  • Roger Niello

    Legislator

    Aye.

  • Blanca Rubio

    Legislator

    Milo, aye. Allen? Ashby? Javiero? Aye.

  • Blanca Rubio

    Legislator

    Javiero, aye. Durazo? Laird? Laird? Aye.

  • Blanca Rubio

    Legislator

    Reyes? Stern? Valadares? Aye. Valadares, aye.

  • Blanca Rubio

    Legislator

    Wahab, Weber Pearson, Wiener.

  • Blanca Rubio

    Legislator

    Wiener, aye. Five to zero.

  • Scott Wiener

    Legislator

    Aye.

  • Roger Niello

    Legislator

    We'll hold that open for other members to vote. Senator Laird, you're a genius. I'll accept that motion on the consent calendar. Let's call the roll on the consent calendar. The vote that we just took, five o, will hold that open for other voters to be on call.

  • Roger Niello

    Legislator

    Thank you.

  • Roger Niello

    Legislator

    Okay.

  • Roger Niello

    Legislator

    Excuse me if I didn't say that.

  • Blanca Rubio

    Legislator

    No. No worries. I just wanna make sure you didn't need me. Yes. Thank you.

  • Blanca Rubio

    Legislator

    Oh, no.

  • Roger Niello

    Legislator

    Okay.

  • Roger Niello

    Legislator

    I thought maybe you wanted to vote on the consent calendar. So so on the consent calendar, please call the roll.

  • Committee Secretary

    [Roll Call]

  • Roger Niello

    Legislator

    Five to zero that will put that on call. Now, looking for authors again and seeing none. But if Assembly members Bauer Kahan, Bryan, Rogers, Sharp Collins, Wicks, or Zbur are nearby, we can take you up as soon as you get here.

  • Roger Niello

    Legislator

    What's that? No. Oh, yes. We can go through votes. Correct.

  • Committee Secretary

    Yeah. We can start at the top. Hold on.

  • Roger Niello

    Legislator

    Help me since I wasn't here for quite a bit.

  • Committee Secretary

    [Roll Call]

  • Roger Niello

    Legislator

    Aguiar Curry will need a a motion. That was Senator Caballero moving the bill. Please call the roll.

  • Committee Secretary

    [Roll Call]

  • Roger Niello

    Legislator

    Four to zero. We'll put that on call. Next item is a number five, AB 635, Ahrens. Need a motion? Senator Caballero moves the bill. Please call the roll.

  • Committee Secretary

    [Roll Call]

  • Roger Niello

    Legislator

    Three to one. We'll put that on call. Next is number Yes. 7. That is AB 412, Bauer Kehan. Need a motion for that? Senator Laird moves the bill. Call the roll, please.

  • Committee Secretary

    [Roll Call]

  • Roger Niello

    Legislator

    6-0. We'll put that on call. Next item is 12. That's AB 2682. Berman.

  • Committee Secretary

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  • Roger Niello

    Legislator

    Oh. Oh, yeah. She didn't present the others. So item twelve twenty six eighty AB 2682, Berman. I need a motion. Motion by Senator Caballero. Please call the roll.

  • Committee Secretary

    [Roll Call]

  • Roger Niello

    Legislator

    3 to 1. We'll put that on call. Next is item 13, AB 2624 by, Bonta. Need a motion for that? Senator Laird, move. Please call a roll.

  • Committee Secretary

    [Roll Call]

  • Roger Niello

    Legislator

    That is four to one. We'll put that on call. Next is item 14.

  • Committee Secretary

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  • Roger Niello

    Legislator

    Thank you. That's that's why I need you here.

  • Committee Secretary

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  • Roger Niello

    Legislator

    Four to one. We'll put that on call. And next is Okay. 16. Item 16, AB 2662. Carrillo, need a motion for We have an author. Let's take a quick vote on on this bill. Need a need a motion on 2662. Weiner, moved by Weiner. Please call the roll.

  • Committee Secretary

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  • Roger Niello

    Legislator

    4 to one. We'll put that on call. And now, Assembly member Bauer Kayon, for a return visit. You have Box items eight, nine, and 10. Would would you like to take them in order?

  • Rebecca Bauer-Kahan

    Legislator

    Sure. We did Yes. We are on Sure. We'll do 8.

  • Roger Niello

    Legislator

    AB2007.

  • Rebecca Bauer-Kahan

    Legislator

    Perfect. Thank you, Mr. Vice Chair and members. I wanna thank the committee staff for their work and collaboration on the bill and I'll be taking the committee amendments in Senate Privacy, Digital Technologies, and Consumer Protection Committee that are noted here today.

  • Rebecca Bauer-Kahan

    Legislator

    I'm proud to present AB 2007, a measure to safeguard children's privacy and ensure parents have a say in how their information is used. As the mother of three children, as you can imagine, especially a working parent, I sign my kids up for lots of programs. And when I do so, I have to sign a waiver for them to join. And often, the right to use their digital likeness in marketing is wrapped up in the waiver that allows them to participate.

  • Rebecca Bauer-Kahan

    Legislator

    This is something I don't love doing, but for foster children in California, it actually means they can't participate in these programs because a foster parent is not allowed to sign away the rights to a child's image.

  • Rebecca Bauer-Kahan

    Legislator

    And if participation is incumbent upon your release of that digital likeness, then the child is no longer allowed to participate. So, the bill is incredibly simple. It merely says that they have to separate out the release of the right to use the image into a separate release form. And if the parent doesn't consent, they can't use it in marketing. It cannot be the reason a child can or cannot participate in an activity.

  • Rebecca Bauer-Kahan

    Legislator

    With me today in support is Noah Wasserman, a parent from San Rafael.

  • Noah Wasserman

    Person

    Good afternoon. My name is Noah Wasserman, and I'm here to speak in strong support of AB 2007 because of how important it is in protecting families in California, but also it's particularly personal for our family. One of our... one of our daughters is adopted and came to us through the the California Foster Program. As a foster and resource family, the guidelines we were given require that we not post any photos of any foster children, to protect their safety.

  • Noah Wasserman

    Person

    So, my wife and I started reading all of the liability releases that what was required to sign for camps and after school programs, sports programs, and educational programs that we wanted to send our daughters to.

  • Noah Wasserman

    Person

    Most of these releases are digital, as you can imagine. No hard copies where you could cross out any provisions, and almost all of them included broad media releases buried in single click mandatory "I agree buttons" to register digitally. This meant agreeing to waivers that said things like this from a creative a creative writing camp for middle schoolers.

  • Noah Wasserman

    Person

    "I authorize without limitation to reproduce, copy, sell, exhibit, publish, or distribute in any medium now known or later developed, any and all such photographs, sound recordings, motion pictures, or videos in perpetuity." Just this spring, when I asked a local art camp whether I could register my seven year old daughter, but declined the media release, they wrote back, "Maybe our camp isn't for you."

  • Noah Wasserman

    Person

    And so, we did not send her there. The price of signing up for a camp or educational program should not include our kids' privacy and security. And once photos of our children are online, we do not know how they will be used or where where they will end up. Most importantly, all kids should have access to programs, including kids in the California Foster System without compromising privacy and their safety. Thank you for taking up this issue, and I hope you will vote yes on the bill.

  • Roger Niello

    Legislator

    Do you have a second primary witness?

  • Rebecca Bauer-Kahan

    Legislator

    No. That's it, Mister Vice Chair.

  • Roger Niello

    Legislator

    And others in favor of AB 2007? Seeing none come forward, we'll move to the opposition. Primary witnesses opposed. Please approach.

  • Douglas Houston

    Person

    Good afternoon, Chair and members. Doc Houston representing 5,000 plus local park professionals in the state of California. And I'm appearing before you today wearing the dreaded cleaner label. We thank and appreciate the author, staff, and committee staff, for entertaining discussions on this bill. We wanna make it abundantly clear.

  • Douglas Houston

    Person

    We're not opposed. We know this is an important issue, but we we wanna try to get it right. We're in the process of digesting the amendments that are proposed in the analysis, And our first impression is that things are moving in good direction. And we look forward to continued discussion and dialogue with the author to bring this to a good place. Thank you, sir.

  • Roger Niello

    Legislator

    So, you are opposed unless - opposed unless amended?

  • Douglas Houston

    Person

    Yes. We have concerns.

  • Roger Niello

    Legislator

    You have concerns. Okay.

  • Rebecca Bauer-Kahan

    Legislator

    He's making a new category, Mister Vice Chair.

  • Douglas Houston

    Person

    We have concerns.

  • Roger Niello

    Legislator

    Other opposed?

  • Caroline Grinder

    Person

    Caroline Grinder on behalf of the League of California Cities. We have a concerns position as well and are aligning our comments with, those of CPRS. We're representing city parks departments who, you know, many of which already do offer a lot of this consent and have just asked us to work with the author and the committee staff to ensure we address some implementation challenges that could arise and avoid any unintended consequences. Definitely support the intent. Appreciate all the work that's going into it.

  • Caroline Grinder

    Person

    We're really looking forward to reviewing the amendments, and just wanted to register our concerns. Thank you so much.

  • Roger Niello

    Legislator

    Others here oppose that would like to so state, seeing none come forward. So, we will bring it back to the committee. Any questions or comments?

  • Rebecca Bauer-Kahan

    Legislator

    I just need you to - thank you, Senator. Oh.

  • Roger Niello

    Legislator

    The amendments referred to will be taken in the next committee. Yes. I presume the author agrees with that.

  • Rebecca Bauer-Kahan

    Legislator

    Yes, Mister Vice Chair. Oh, the consultant has moved. Okay. Sorry.

  • Roger Niello

    Legislator

    So, the the bill has been moved. I have a question, similar to my question on your last bill relative to the private right of action: in this case, I could see anybody based upon seeing a picture could launch a private right of action, not necessarily related to the individual or anything looking for a lawsuit. Is this private right of action very narrow like the last one we talked about and how articulate how that is?

  • Rebecca Bauer-Kahan

    Legislator

    Yes. And I will say that one of the changes we either took as author amendments or we'll be taking in privacy, I can't remember if they were processed in time, will be to tier the penalties so that our first violation is even lower for that reason. We really just want these releases to be separate, so that is an additional amendment we either took or we will be taking. I can't recall. And in addition to that, you have to have been agreed.

  • Rebecca Bauer-Kahan

    Legislator

    So, it's not if I see a picture of Senator Wiener online, I can do something. It's my inability to get the release the separate release and sign or not sign that would be the subject of the lawsuit. And so I think it would be incredibly narrow. And, again, most of these camps, as someone who utilizes them every day, are community programs. This is not, you know, things we're out to get.

  • Rebecca Bauer-Kahan

    Legislator

    But this way, this law would give me the right as a parent to say to a camp, "You know what? I actually have a right to the release for my child's image to be separated. You know, I'd like for you to do that," and what you heard Mister Wasserman say won't happen.

  • Roger Niello

    Legislator

    Okay. Thank you. I'm seeing no other questions or comments. You may close.

  • Rebecca Bauer-Kahan

    Legislator

    Thank you. I respectfully ask for your aye vote on this important measure.

  • Roger Niello

    Legislator

    Okay. We have a motion by Senator Weiner, I believe.

  • Unidentified Speaker 012
    ID Pending

    Yes.

  • Roger Niello

    Legislator

    Please call the roll.

  • Blanca Rubio

    Legislator

    This is file item number eight, AB 2,007. The motion is do passed to the Senate privacy, Digital Technologies, and consumer protection committee. Humbergh, Milo? Aye. Milo, Aye.

  • Blanca Rubio

    Legislator

    Allen, Ashby, Caballero? Aye. Durazo, Aye. Laird, Reyes, Stern, Valadares, Wahab, Weber Pearson, Weiner.

  • Unidentified Speaker 066
    ID Pending

    I present.

  • Blanca Rubio

    Legislator

    Weiner, Aye.

  • Roger Niello

    Legislator

    You know, in Congress, they vote just present. Come on. Go ahead. Three three zero, we'll put that on call.

  • Unidentified Speaker 008
    ID Pending

    Thank you all.

  • Roger Niello

    Legislator

    And now, you will be presenting number nine

  • Unidentified Speaker 067
    ID Pending

    Yep.

  • Roger Niello

    Legislator

    AB 2,047.

  • Rebecca Bauer-Kahan

    Legislator

    Perfect. Thank you, Mister Chair and members. I wanna start by thanking committee staff for their work on this bill. I'm proud to present AB 2047 along with my sponsors, Everytown for Gun Safety. As many of you may already know, before I was elected, I was a Moms Demand volunteer.

  • Rebecca Bauer-Kahan

    Legislator

    And this bill is near and dear to my heart because ending gun violence is a passion. Over many years, California has set the standard in taking an active role to protect our communities against gun violence. AB 2047 builds on prior legislation to address the newest firearm threat, three d printed weapons. Numerous reports from the Department of Justice and nonprofits have emerged demonstrating the Polish proliferation of these firearms.

  • Rebecca Bauer-Kahan

    Legislator

    Just since January of this year, there have been several three d printed printed gun busts and recoveries in California, including in San Jose, San Bernardino, and Santa Rosa.

  • Rebecca Bauer-Kahan

    Legislator

    We cannot stand by as a state while these firearms continue to flow into our communities. AB 24 d seven creates an upstream solution by requiring that all three-dimensional printers sold in California are equipped with firearm blocking features to prohibit the printing of these dangerous gun parts. At its core, this bill is about ending gun violence. It's about keeping our kids safe in their schools, our families safe when they attend worship services, the mall, or a concert.

  • Rebecca Bauer-Kahan

    Legislator

    I'm often here presenting bills that protect communities from certain technologies, but this bill is an exciting example of a technical technological innovation that can help keep our kids safe.

  • Rebecca Bauer-Kahan

    Legislator

    I'm committed to continuing to work with all the stakeholders that will that I'm sure will be here today to ensure that there are no unintended consequences for good faith users in industries who use three d printers as intended and are not printing illegal ghost guns. I've already made extensive amendments to the bill addressing some of the opposition's concern and ensuring that DOJ is not overburdened by the requirements in the bill.

  • Rebecca Bauer-Kahan

    Legislator

    I will also note since the introduction of this bill, this, similar legislation has passed in New York State. So we are not the first in the nation to do this. With that, I will turn it over to my witness, Crystal Lopolito, director of policy and advocacy for Everytown, and Julian Chulparski, technical account manager at FizNow with twenty nine years of experience in software engineering and technology. Thank you.

  • Sherry McHugh

    Person

    Proceed. Good afternoon, Chair and members of the committee. My name is Crystal Lopilato, and I serve as policy advocacy director for Everytown for Gun Safety. Together with Moms Demand Action for Gun Sense and Students Demand Action, we are the largest gun violence prevention organization in the nation. We're proud sponsors of AB 2047 and very grateful to Assemblymember Bauer Kehan for bringing this bill forward.

  • Sherry McHugh

    Person

    AB 2047 is an exciting technological solution to the dangerous problem of firearms made with household three d printers. It's a common sense next step in California's fight against ghost guns. The three d printed gun crisis is not

  • Rebecca Bauer-Kahan

    Legislator

    a far away or a

  • Sherry McHugh

    Person

    future problem. It's happening here in California right now. In just the last few months, we've tracked numerous instances of three d printed firearm manufacturing operations uncovered by law enforcement agencies all around the state. Three d gun printing threatens everything members of this legislature have done over the last many decades to strengthen California gun laws to protect communities. All those laws are upended when teenagers, extremists, and people with violent criminal histories can easily print guns in their basements and bedrooms.

  • Sherry McHugh

    Person

    To be clear, there is so much positive creativity and innovation happening as three d printing becomes more accessible and affordable. This bill won't stifle or threaten that. Technology now exists to block the printing of files that have been specifically identified as firearm design files. Ensuring that technology is equipped on all printers sold to retail consumers in California is a new and preventative way to effectuate existing laws that prohibit printing guns and unlicensed firearm manufacturing.

  • Sherry McHugh

    Person

    While recent California laws have focused on prohibition and deterrence, AB 2047 will let us actually stop the flow of three d printed guns right at the source.

  • Sherry McHugh

    Person

    Thank you. Yes for your aye vote.

  • Roger Niello

    Legislator

    Thank you. Do you have another primary witness? Okay. You may proceed.

  • Julian Chultarski

    Person

    Thank you. Good afternoon, Chair and members of the committee. My name is Julian Chultarski, and I'm a technical account manager at Fisna. I have almost thirty years of experience in software engineering and technology. At Pfizer, we have spent years building geometric search technology for industrial applications.

  • Julian Chultarski

    Person

    Geometric search is the ability to search three d models by their physical shape rather than by text labels, file names or tags. It has a variety of industrial use cases and it can be directly mapped onto the task of detecting print jobs for regulated firearm components. Geometric search is not a speculative idea. It is mature technology deployed at scale and used every day in engineering and manufacturing.

  • Julian Chultarski

    Person

    The same technology that can address the three d printed firearm problem is already solving bunch of other problems in industrial manufacturing.

  • Julian Chultarski

    Person

    I'm here as an engineer talking about technology, not a salesperson. VISNA is one company in a much broader ecosystem. There are similar tools available as open source projects, academic projects, and other commercial vendors working in this space. What I can offer is a credible view of what is possible based on what's already been built and deployed at scale in industrial settings. The hard work envisioned in this legislation, building robust, scalable, evasion resistant geometric search, has already been done in the industrial context.

  • Julian Chultarski

    Person

    What is needed for the three d printed firearm problem is not to invent new technology. It is to configure proven technology for this specific application, get to the false positive rates, calibrate it, and integrate it into the three d printing workflow. This is solvable. It has already been worked on. And most importantly, it can be done in a way that respects the openness, the consumer rights, and the innovation culture that have made three d printing such an exciting field to be part of.

  • Julian Chultarski

    Person

    Thank you. Happy to answer any questions.

  • Roger Niello

    Legislator

    Thank you. And now, others that are here that, wish to speak in support, state your name, organization, and, your position.

  • Yara Jiral

    Person

    Yara Jiral, volunteer with Moms Demand Action, in support.

  • Matt Broad

    Person

    Matt Broad for Prosecutors Alliance, in support. Thank you.

  • Rebecca Marcus

    Person

    Rebecca Marcus on behalf of the Brady Campaign, Giffords, and the Consumer Protection Policy Center at the University of San Diego School of Law in support. Thank you.

  • Linda Peacock

    Person

    Linda Peacock, volunteer with Moms Demand Action in support.

  • Amaya Clayton

    Person

    Amaya Clayton here with Everytown for Gun Safety and Students Demand Action here in support.

  • Sophia Quach

    Person

    Bridget Jakubowitz, volunteer with Moms Demand Action and public school teacher in support.

  • Linda Peacock

    Person

    Marcy Colicci, volunteer for Moms Demand Action and NorCal, GVP, in support.

  • Marisol Rivera

    Person

    Sharon Scott, volunteer with Moms Demand Action, in support.

  • Blanca Rubio

    Legislator

    Julie Chapman, volunteer with NorCal Gun Violence Prevention, in support.

  • Randy Perry

    Person

    Roald Johnson, Everytown for Gun Safety in support.

  • Sophia Quach

    Person

    Hi. Megan Simmons, with Everytown for Gun Safety. Proud to sponsor, the bill and also registering support on behalf of the California Medical Association, Youth Alive, the Jewish Community Relations Council of the Bay Area, and Jewish California Who Couldn't Make It Today.

  • Roger Niello

    Legislator

    Spencer Reid, Oakland resident, in support on behalf of Moms Demand Action and also, for Everytown. Thank you. Any others in support? And seeing none, moving to the opposition. Primary witnesses in opposition.

  • Marlene Voglar

    Person

    Hello. My name is Marlene Voglar. I'm the CEO of Thangs, a platform that enables independent creators to sell and design and share unique 3D designs. Since 2010, my marketplace businesses have helped start and scale thousands of small businesses, creating jobs and contributing over half a billion dollars in annual revenue to the US economy. I strongly support effective gun, gun legislation, including California's existing AB 2156, which prohibits 3D printed guns and gun parts.

  • Marlene Voglar

    Person

    But today, I'm asking you to oppose AB 2—2047—because it raises serious technical, privacy, and economic concerns. This law would require manufacturers to build monitoring systems into general fabrication tools. This man—misunderstands—how the 3D printing works. A design would have to be checked against the database of prohibited parts before printing, before print instructions are sent to the printer. The printer itself does not have access to original geometry.

  • Marlene Voglar

    Person

    So, it cannot determine whether a part that it's producing is illegal or legal. At the software level, these databases will always lag behind innovation and can be easily circumvented and generate false positives that block legal designs and won't reflect everyday makers. At Thangs, we use similar technology and we removed it. It was not useful for our community. The bill also creates serious privacy and security risk by giving third parties access to analyze designers' files.

  • Marlene Voglar

    Person

    That threatens intellectual property and adds digital surveillance in a state that values data privacy. Notably, this law does not stop the metal parts that function final—that functional firearms actually rely on, such as barrels and firing chambers. Entrepreneurs, educators, engineers, and small businesses rely on open access to 3D printing and 3D design, and for tools to teach, build, and innovate, and earn a living.

  • Marlene Voglar

    Person

    As someone who cares deeply about these communities, I oppose AB 2047 because it would impose burdens and restrictions without addressing a demonstrated problem. Thank you.

  • Marlene Voglar

    Person

    Please oppose 2047. Thank you.

  • Roger Niello

    Legislator

    Thank you. Any other primary witness in oppose?

  • David Tobin

    Person

    Good afternoon. It's nice to finally meet everyone in person. My name is David Tobin. Hello, everyone watching online around California. In 2022, this committee put legislation into place that makes the crimes in this bill illegal.

  • David Tobin

    Person

    It's already illegal to do everything in this bill here. And according to the Department of Justice, the crimes in this bill are done—down—31% statewide, 50% in Los Angeles. You can't make it illegal-er. And that same Department of Justice put this bill when it was in Assembly through—it went in suspense because they said technology is not possible, and they're very concerned about the First Amendment violations like prior restraint and compelled speech. Because we're talking about a shape.

  • David Tobin

    Person

    We're talking about an object here. The object doesn't commit the crime, and we've met with—every time, we've met with the council, the assembly member's office twice. Everyone in the 3D printing community, every manufacturer on planet Earth, except for FISMA, the company that's been trying to sell the same product for years, is against this bill because of the core principles. We cannot tell intent from a shape.

  • David Tobin

    Person

    And, last week, I was here meeting with the staffers from a lot of your offices. Some of it was the first time seeing a 3D printed item, but for a lot of them, they've been in first robotics. They understand the technology, and they were surprised that this was actually becoming a thing. We're not trying to scare you when we say if you pass this bill, this all goes away. But when you ask for something impossible to exist, it can't be done.

  • David Tobin

    Person

    And we're not trying to scare you with weird stats like a 1,000% and the other things that they say about all these gun parts everywhere.

  • David Tobin

    Person

    It's, it—no one's actually described that. It's been 30 parts found here. Firearm parts? No. 3D printed parts.

  • David Tobin

    Person

    They're not saying whether they're fired, they're components, or anything like that. It's being used to gaslight people. And we're here to talk about what's real and what's really going on in the world and things like that. And this bill just isn't the way. If you have any questions, we're here as well.

  • Roger Niello

    Legislator

    Thank you. Others here opposed to the bill? Name, organization, and position.

  • Eric Butler

    Person

    Sure. Eric Butler, I'm speaking for myself. I'm from Sacramento, California. I, I respectfully oppose this bill.

  • Eric Butler

    Person

    The reason is, is that it is already illegal to many, in Cal...

  • Roger Niello

    Legislator

    You already had that testimony. This is "Me Too" testimony. You state your name, organization, and your position on the bill. Your position is opposed?

  • Eric Butler

    Person

    Opposed. Yes, sir.

  • Eric Butler

    Person

    I am opposed to this bill. I respectfully ask you to vote no. Thank you.

  • Paul Rothstein

    Person

    Hi. My name is Paul Rothstein. I'm from Davis, California. I also respectfully ask you to vote no.

  • Luke Bishai

    Person

    Graham Smith, resident of San Francisco, representing myself. I am opposed.

  • Danny Kaiser

    Person

    Good afternoon. Danny Kendall Kaiser here on behalf of the Electronic Frontier Foundation, Privacy Rights Clearing House, and the ACLU. Respectfully oppose.

  • Luke Bishai

    Person

    My name is Luke Bishai on behalf of WPM Keyboards, a design company in Southern California. We respectfully ask you to say no. Thank you.

  • Russell Claren

    Person

    Russell Claren, open source firmware engineer, and I oppose this bill.

  • Daniel Nazer

    Person

    Daniel Nazer, 3D bioprinting researcher and Noisebridge hackerspace member. Strongly oppose.

  • Kean Kelly

    Person

    Hi. I'm Kean Kelly and I—from Windsor, California—and I'd like to strongly discourage you from mandating spyware in this amazing technology built off of open-source innovation. Thank you.

  • Alan Mihara

    Person

    Alright. Alan Mihara, small business owner and privacy advocate. I do not support.

  • Joey Griffiths

    Person

    Dr. Joey Griffiths, strongly opposed.

  • Steve Peterson

    Person

    Kevin Bancourt, mechanic from Fresno, and I oppose.

  • Ariatna Villanueva

    Person

    Ariatna Villanueva, laboratory worker, and I oppose.

  • Joan Horvath

    Person

    Joan Horvath, author of over a dozen books on 3D printing and curriculum for blind students, oppose on accessibility grounds.

  • Rich Cameron

    Person

    Rich Cameron. I designed some of the earliest consumer 3D printers and currently own a small business that would be harmed by this bill, making educational models for use with 3D printers. I oppose.

  • Chris Taylor

    Person

    Chris Taylor. I'm a software engineer in the open source community, and I strongly oppose.

  • Steve Peterson

    Person

    Steve Peterson, member of the Voron Design Team, representing the open-source hobbyist 3D printing community, and we're opposed.

  • Bill Brothers

    Person

    Bill Brothers, on—representing the 1,500 people on the stream today, and we all oppose.

  • Ethan Coulter

    Person

    Ethan Coulter representing O-Create, OC Makers Foundation, and Maker Faire Orange County, highly oppose.

  • Thomas Riley

    Person

    Hi. My name is Thomas Riley, and I oppose.

  • Paul Hansel

    Person

    Hi. My name is Paul Hansel. I'm the CEO of a camera company in Redwood City called Defy. I strongly oppose on the basis of educational attainment and economic prosperity.

  • Matthew Mummert

    Person

    Hello. My name is Matthew Mummert. I'm a firmware engineer in the aerospace industry in San Diego. I flew up here today to say that I oppose.

  • Ethan Yabando

    Person

    Hello. My name is Daniel Dewitt. I'm from Chico, California. From the standpoint of ownership and privacy, I also oppose.

  • Jackson Dia

    Person

    Hi. My name is Jackson Dia. I'm representing myself. I strongly oppose.

  • Chris Nielson

    Person

    Chris Nielsen, small business owner, Sacramento, strongly oppose.

  • Daniel Dafna

    Person

    This is Daniel Dafna from Sacramento. And on the grounds of privacy and open source, I, I respect you to vote no. Thank you.

  • Ethan Yabando

    Person

    Hi. I'm Ethan Yabando. I'm representing the Embry Riddle Aeronautical University Cybersecurity CyberEye Group, and I strongly oppose—I strongly oppose this measure.

  • Xavier Potton

    Person

    Xavier Potton, Sacramento native and full-time electronics engineer. I strongly oppose.

  • Arhan Schultz

    Person

    I'm Artan Alavi. I'm a District 16 constituent, and I oppose this bill.

  • James Cannon

    Person

    James Cannon, Sacramento, California, small businessman, strongly oppose.

  • Anthony Garcia

    Person

    Anthony Garcia, small business owner, strongly oppose.

  • Arhan Schultz

    Person

    Evan Marquez, I'm an engineering student, and I strongly oppose.

  • San Lawrence-Hastings

    Person

    San Lawrence Hastings, free and open source software and hardware advocate, resident of Shasta County. I strongly oppose.

  • Brendan Talbot

    Person

    Kane Ponce, Lodi, California. I strongly oppose this irrational bill.

  • Arhan Schultz

    Person

    Arhan Schultz, Los Altos, California. I'm a student at Foothill College, and I strongly oppose.

  • Jason North

    Person

    Jason North, computer science major in Sacramento, local, I oppose.

  • Adam Wilson

    Person

    Adam Wilson, on behalf of Gun Owners of America, Gun Owners of California, California Rifle and Pistol Association, and the National Rifle Association, all in opposition.

  • Brendan Talbot

    Person

    Brendan Talbot. I'm a student of UC Santa Cruz and I strongly oppose this bill.

  • Roger Niello

    Legislator

    Are there any others? That appears to be the end of the line. So, as I bring it back to this side of the dais, I will turn the meeting back over to our real Chair and, and Senator Durazo, I'm afraid this ends your temporary position.

  • Thomas Umberg

    Legislator

    Well, it looks like you've done a good job in my absence. Maybe I should've stayed away a little longer. Alright. So, I'll bring it back to committee for questions or comments. Questions or comments? Senator Durazo.

  • María Elena Durazo

    Legislator

    Just if you could respond to some of the opposition having to do with the technology that's used and maybe sort of putting everybody in the same, in the same bucket. That's what I understood in terms of technology. But the other one is it's already illegal, like, that term was used. So, those ring a bell, if you could respond.

  • Matthew Mummert

    Person

    the opposition

  • Rebecca Bauer-Kahan

    Legislator

    Okay. I'm not sure I understood the first part of your question. I apologize. I don't know if you could clarify. But the second part of your question about it already being illegal, we—I believe under the leadership of Assemblymember Gipson, we did outlaw the printing of ghost guns.

  • Rebecca Bauer-Kahan

    Legislator

    The—we've seen across the state that they continue to be printed. It's, it's a hard thing to stop, unlike our very strong laws that require manufacturers to put, you know, numbers on guns, make sure that you get a license for it, guns that are sold through licensed dealers. These are printed in people's homes, and we are not able to track them. And so, we know they continue to be printed.

  • Rebecca Bauer-Kahan

    Legislator

    And so, as I mentioned, New York passed this recently and it allows for us to put technology on the front end that stops the components from being printed and allows us to prevent it.

  • Rebecca Bauer-Kahan

    Legislator

    Now, I don't believe—I may be wrong—but in order to allow for the printing that people are talking about here today, I don't know that it will be foolproof in preventing all printing, but we are going far in making sure that we can stop as many ghost guns from being printed as possible, and I think that's critically important.

  • Rebecca Bauer-Kahan

    Legislator

    And so, this does add on to our laws to the point that was made, but we do not currently have this law on the books, if that answers your second question.

  • María Elena Durazo

    Legislator

    Describe that again. So, it just—describe that again in terms of the difference between the two.

  • Rebecca Bauer-Kahan

    Legislator

    So, it is illegal to print a gun in California, but there is nothing to actually stop it. This will stop the printing. Did that make more sense? Yeah.

  • Thomas Umberg

    Legislator

    Alright. Other questions or comments? Seeing none. Is there a motion?

  • Aisha Wahab

    Legislator

    Move the bill.

  • Alan Mihara

    Person

    Senator Wahab has moved the bill. Would you like to close?

  • Rebecca Bauer-Kahan

    Legislator

    I respectfully ask for your aye vote.

  • Alan Mihara

    Person

    Alrighty. Thank you very much. Chief Counsel Estrada, please call the roll.

  • Committee Secretary

    [Roll Call]

  • Unidentified Speaker 066
    ID Pending

    Alright. Three to one. Put that on call. Next bill, file item number 10 AB 2212.

  • Unidentified Speaker 008
    ID Pending

    Thank you.

  • Unidentified Speaker 066
    ID Pending

    Why don't we just wait Yeah.

  • Unidentified Speaker 008
    ID Pending

    Wait a second. Give,

  • Unidentified Speaker 066
    ID Pending

    you know, one minute here. Alright. I think it's sufficiently quiet now.

  • Unidentified Speaker 030
    ID Pending

    Okay.

  • Unidentified Speaker 066
    ID Pending

    So Okay. Let let's proceed to file number 10 AB 2212.

  • Unidentified Speaker 008
    ID Pending

    I think between that bill and four twelve, I had filled the room. Good afternoon, Mister Chair and senators. Today, I'm proud to present AB 2212, the Higher Education AI Responser HEAR Survivors Act. AB 20122212 updates the definition of sexual harassment in the post secondary education code to account for modern digital technologies and requires California's higher education institution to develop policies addressing nonconsensual deep fakes, cyberstalking, cyberbullying, and other forms of tech facilitated sexual harassment.

  • Unidentified Speaker 008
    ID Pending

    For anyone who has, been a student on campus, we know that our universities are often the first place that our students are out into the world, and our universities take great steps to prevent, in person harassment.

  • Unidentified Speaker 008
    ID Pending

    But many of our universities, if not all, have not updated to meet today's online environment. And so this bill just updates the definition to include, online facilitated sexual harassment. As the committee analysis suggests, we're actively engaging with stakeholders to address implementation concerns that have come up just in the last week, I think it was.

  • Unidentified Speaker 008
    ID Pending

    So with that, I will turn it over to my witnesses, Roma Kapoor, undergraduate at UC Berkeley and director of policy at ASUC Sexual Violence Commission, and Stephanie a graduate student at UCLA and a member of Survivor Plus Allies.

  • Unidentified Speaker 066
    ID Pending

    Alrighty. First witness. Thank you.

  • Unidentified Speaker 027
    ID Pending

    Good afternoon, members of the committee. My name is Roma Kapoor, and I'm an undergraduate student at UC Berkeley and a member of Survivors and Allies. I'm here in support of AB 2212, also known as the HEAR Survivors Act. This bill makes necessary updates to the definition of sexual harassment under the education code to reflect modern digital technologies, which includes AI generated and digitally sexually explicit material.

  • Unidentified Speaker 027
    ID Pending

    I'm speaking for this bill on my own experience as director of public policy for the ASUC sexual balance Commission, where I'm responsible for informing 33,000 Berkeley undergraduates about their rights and resources under our campus' sexual violence policies.

  • Unidentified Speaker 027
    ID Pending

    Through this work, I have been able to see firsthand how significantly our students are being impacted by tech facilitated harm. For instance, at my campus, while we do have mandated introductory SBSA training, it does not cover image based abuse, AI generated content, or digital harassment.

  • Unidentified Speaker 027
    ID Pending

    Because of this, when students are facing tech facilitated violence, they don't know what either what happened to them counts as sexual violence, and because of that, don't know where to go when it happens to seek the resources and support that they need. Our survivors and allies data also reflects this gap. In our study, we found that one in seven survivors of sexual violence reported experiencing all night sexual harm.

  • Unidentified Speaker 027
    ID Pending

    Survivors of this tech facilitated abuse consistently report uncertainty about whether their experience even counts as sexual violence in the first place and about how to access support and resources they so desperately need. From this, I can confidently say from my own personal experience that tech facilitated violence is not simply a Berkeley problem. There is a statewide gap in how we define and respond to sexual harm.

  • Unidentified Speaker 027
    ID Pending

    I believe that AB 2212 is a critical step we can begin to take to address this issue, and for these reasons, I urge your support. Thank you for your time.

  • Unidentified Speaker 066
    ID Pending

    Thank you very much. Alright. Next witness, please.

  • Unidentified Speaker 048
    ID Pending

    Good morning, Chair and committee members. My name is Stephanie Hall, and today, I'm here on behalf of Survivors and Ally, the sponsor of AB 2212. As a proud undergraduate and master's graduate of the University of California system, I'm saddened to say that Aye, alongside many of my classmates, have experienced tech facilitated forms of sexual violence and sexual harassment. As a survivor from our study stated, it took me years to understand that this was a form of sexual harassment.

  • Unidentified Speaker 048
    ID Pending

    No one talks about the harms that can happen online, and no one tells you what you can do when it happens.

  • Unidentified Speaker 048
    ID Pending

    The institutions that were supposed to protect me failed me, not by explicitly dismissing me, but through their silence. There is no clear reporting mechanism, no messaging that digital sexual harm counted, and no visible path to support. Their experience is far from unique and the reality on our campuses is clear. The majority of sexual harassment now takes place online and the rapid expansion of generative AI tools has escalated these harms.

  • Unidentified Speaker 048
    ID Pending

    Part of campus life now means navigating toxic, nonconsensual digital spaces that don't stop harassing students when they leave the classroom.

  • Unidentified Speaker 048
    ID Pending

    The psychological toll is severe. Many survivors shut down completely, withdrawing from the online spaces where they learn, connect, and build community, losing access to friendships, academic resources, and their sense of belonging at the moment they need it most. Our study shows the majority of survivors who experience online sexual harm did not reach out to their institutions for support because they didn't think anyone would believe them or that they could access resources. Students who do experience technology facilitated harm deserve not only validation, they deserve action.

  • Unidentified Speaker 048
    ID Pending

    And AB 2212 is the first step to ensuring that survivors are heard and provide a proper support for these experiences.

  • Unidentified Speaker 048
    ID Pending

    Thank you.

  • Unidentified Speaker 049
    ID Pending

    And

  • Unidentified Speaker 066
    ID Pending

    you urge an aye vote.

  • Unidentified Speaker 048
    ID Pending

    Thank you. Yes.

  • Unidentified Speaker 066
    ID Pending

    Yes. Alright. Thank you very much. Alright. All those in support of AB 2212, please approach the microphone.

  • Unidentified Speaker 066
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    In one moment, we're gonna ask for the opposition.

  • Unidentified Speaker 020
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    Hi. Brooke Benetti with Kaiser, out of PC in support on behalf of the Electronic Frontier Foundation.

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    Thank you.

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    Chloe King with Political Solutions on behalf of the California Commission on the Status of Women and Girls in support. Thank you.

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    Thank you.

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    Cheryl Westmont as a parent.

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    Thank you.

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    Mamta Bhandari is a parent of a 20 year old girl and a 16 year old boy. I support.

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    Thank you.

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    Alright. There was Amayoa, policy intern with Mesa Verde Group here on behalf of the CAL Student Association, we support.

  • Unidentified Speaker 066
    ID Pending

    Thank you very much. Alright. Anyone else in support, please come forward. Now let's turn the opposition. I'm informed there's no opposition.

  • Unidentified Speaker 066
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    Let's see if I was informed correctly. If you're opposed to AB 2212, please approach the microphone. Going once, going twice. Thank you, Assemblymember Brian. Alright.

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    Let's bring it back to committee for questions. Questions? Is there a motion? Is there a motion?

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    bill. Senator Wahab has moved the bill. Would you like to close?

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    Thank you. I just wanna thank our students for showing up and advocating on behalf of their classmates. And with that, I respectfully ask for your

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    aye vote.

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    Alright. Thank you very much. Committee's supporter, please call the roll.

  • Unidentified Speaker 002
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    This is file item number 10 AB 2212. The motion is do passed to the Senate privacy, Digital Technologies, and consumer protection committee. Umberg?

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    Aye.

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    Umberg, aye. Nilo?

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    Aye.

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    Nilo, aye. Allen, Ashby, Caballero, Turazo? Aye. Turazo, aye. Laird, Reyes, Stern, Valadares, Wahab.

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    Aye. Wahab, aye, Weber Pearson, Wiener. Aye. Weiner, aye. 5 to 0.

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    50. We're gonna put that on call. Next, we're gonna go to file item number 52. I understand that Assemblymember Wicks has asked you to present that because her last name begins with a w.

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  • Thomas Umberg

    Legislator

    Right. Okay. So, file number 52 AB 2023 by Assemblymember Wicks being presented by Assemblymember Bauer-Kahan.

  • Rebecca Bauer-Kahan

    Legislator

    Thank you, Mr. Chair and members. And, it's an honor to present on behalf of Assemblymember Wicks, my joint author on this bill, along with Senator Padilla, who has a similar matter over in our House. This bill was born out of the tragedy of Adam Raine when he lost his life right here in California, when he went on to Chat GPT seeking help with math as a high schooler.

  • Rebecca Bauer-Kahan

    Legislator

    And the months long engagement with Chatt GPT ended with him dying by suicide after it coached him on how to keep it a secret, on how to take his own life, and he ultimately is not gonna grow up into the young man he deserves to be.

  • Rebecca Bauer-Kahan

    Legislator

    And so this bill is a really important piece of legislation that will ensure that we have safe by design chatbots here in California. It will allow for chatbots to be accessible, but will require that for for children that they are tested, vigorously audited, and ensured that prior is being released to our children, they are safe and will do nothing like they did to Adam Raine to children in the future. With me here today is John Bennett on behalf of CITED. Thanks.

  • Thomas Umberg

    Legislator

    Mister Bennett, the floor is yours.

  • John Bennett

    Person

    Great. Thank you. Good afternoon, Chair and members. I'm John Bennett, the Initiative Director at the California Initiative for Technology and Democracy or CITED, a project of California Common Cause, speaking today in support of AB 2023. After many years of fighting for legislation to keep kids safe on social media, the fight for accountability has come to a head, not through legislation, but in the courts.

  • John Bennett

    Person

    Over the past few months, we have seen historic verdicts totaling hundreds of millions of dollars with juries finding that social media companies intentionally addicted children, misrepresented the safety of their platforms, and failed to protect children from known harms. These verdicts are a reminder of what happens when powerful technology companies are allowed to operate without meaningful accountability or or oversight. And while these are historic wins, the work is far from over.

  • John Bennett

    Person

    If the legislature does not act, we risk repeating the same mistake, allowing a powerful new technology to cause decades of preventable harm before accountability catches up. AB 2023 is a comprehensive measure that establishes the kind of democratic oversight and corporate accountability that the social media era lacked.

  • John Bennett

    Person

    It covers companion AI from start to finish, ensuring that at every step, children are protected and companies are held accountable. AB 2023 requires operators of companion AIs to perform annual risk assessments and mitigate identified harms. Operators must publish a child safety policy and implement a crisis response protocol, bringing transparency and accountability to an industry that is largely operated in the dark.

  • John Bennett

    Person

    Importantly, the bill establishes default settings, including ephemeral mode, no push notifications during school hours or at night, and default time limits on daily use. We have seen that safeguards developers put on their chatbots typically falter after sustained interaction, and these default settings will provide greater protection for children without placing the burden on parents to navigate complex settings.

  • John Bennett

    Person

    And let me be clear, we are not saying that the harms stemming from AI are the same as those stemming from social media use, and we are not and we're not claiming that the AI is not going to be beneficial for children. But now is the moment to define, through this democratic process and public accountability, what beneficial uses of AI look like for our youth. And with that, cited urges your aye vote, and I'm happy to answer any questions that you may have. Thank you.

  • Thomas Umberg

    Legislator

    Alrighty. Thank you very much. Next witness in support of AB 2023. Anyone in support of AB 2023, now's a good time to come to the microphone. Thank you.

  • Lucy Carter

    Person

    Lucy Salcido Carter with the Alameda County Office of Education in support.

  • Thomas Umberg

    Legislator

    Thank you.

  • Erin Friday

    Person

    Erin Friday in support, attorney.

  • Thomas Umberg

    Legislator

    Thank you.

  • Cheryl Westmont

    Person

    Cheryl Westmont with Common Sense Media.

  • Thomas Umberg

    Legislator

    Thank you.

  • Mamta Bhandari

    Person

    Mamta Bhandari with Mothers Against Media Addiction in support.

  • Thomas Umberg

    Legislator

    Thank you. Others in support. Alright. I see the opposition lining up. If you're opposed to AB 2023, please approach the microphone.

  • Laura Bennett

    Person

    We're trying to be efficient. Good morning, Chair, afternoon, right? Chair, members of the committee, Laura Bennett on behalf of the California Chamber of Commerce with an opposed and less amended position. Because our members continue to work diligently with the authors regarding our concerns with AB 2023, my testimony will be brief today. I want to first start by thanking the Assembly members for their engagement and willingness to include us in conversations.

  • Laura Bennett

    Person

    We share the critical goal of protecting children when using AI systems and appreciate the bill's effort to provide safeguards while still preserving access to beneficial tools. Our primary concern is ensuring that the bill establishes clear, objective, and workable standards that can be consistently applied by developers, auditors, regulators, and the courts. We believe, additionally, refinements are needed to reduce ambiguity, avoid hindsight based liability, and ensure that good faith compliance efforts are not undermined by subjective or undefined requirements.

  • Laura Bennett

    Person

    We continue to have concerns regarding key several key provisions, including the definition of covered harms, and specifically with those that mean what means psychological or emotional harm when the term child spans a wide range of developmental stages up to the age of 18. In addition to other issues remain around audit and disclosure framework.

  • Laura Bennett

    Person

    On the issue of liability, my colleague from CJAC will cover those issues. We We look forward to continue to work with the authors to address these issues and more from our letter to develop a framework that is both protective and workable for our members. Thank you.

  • Thomas Umberg

    Legislator

    Thank you. Professor?

  • Chris Micheli

    Person

    Mister Chair, thank you. Chris Micheli here on behalf of the Civil Justice Association of California in respectful opposition. Two items, risk assessments and the liability structure. First, from our, view of the language, we think that the language requires risk assessments to essentially guarantee against any future harm that may occur. They are important tools, of course.

  • Chris Micheli

    Person

    However, the way, we're interpreting it is they would have to essentially eliminate any conceivable risk. When you add some of the language and the definitions, for example, any child safety risk in 22610d is reasonably foreseeable, obviously quite an ambiguous standard. In 22610g, the covered harm is using proximately cause language, obviously a negligence standard, a very low threshold here.

  • Chris Micheli

    Person

    And then when we turn to the liability structure in 22616b, we've got a PRA, a pry private right of action for a child or a parent, including the potential for recovery of punitive damages. We too share the concerns of the author the joint authors, miss Wicks and miss Bauer-Kahan, in protecting children, but we still think that there's a lot of language that needs to tightening up, and, for those reasons, we respectfully oppose the bill unless amended. Thank you, Mister chairman.

  • Thomas Umberg

    Legislator

    Alrighty. Thank you very much. Others in opposition?

  • Jason Schmelzer

    Person

    Thank you, Mister Chair and members. This is Jason Schmelzer on behalf of TechNet. Opposed unless amended and want to align my comments with the prior two witnesses. Thank you.

  • Thomas Umberg

    Legislator

    Thank you.

  • Naomi Padron

    Person

    Good afternoon, Chair and members. Naomi Padron on behalf of the Computer and Communications Industry Association. I would also align my comments with the previous speakers. Thank you.

  • Thomas Umberg

    Legislator

    Thank you.

  • Molly Corcoran

    Person

    Good afternoon, Chair and members. Molly Corcoran on behalf of the American Innovators Network. Look forward continued conversations with the authors. Thank you.

  • Thomas Umberg

    Legislator

    Thank you. Alright. Anyone else opposed to AB 2023? Let's bring back committee for questions, comments, motions, all the above. Senator Wiener has moved the bill. Would you like to close?

  • Rebecca Bauer-Kahan

    Legislator

    Thank you. On behalf of Senator Wicks and myself, I respectfully ask for your aye vote. Thank you.

  • Thomas Umberg

    Legislator

    Thank you. Committee's supporter, please call the roll.

  • Committee Secretary

    This is file item number 52, AB 2023. The motion is do passed to the Senate Appropriations Committee. [Roll call] five to zero.

  • Rebecca Bauer-Kahan

    Legislator

    Thank you all.

  • Thomas Umberg

    Legislator

    We'll put that on call. Thank you very much. Thus ends the Bauer-Kahan extravaganza. Alright. Next, we have Assemblymember Bryan.

  • Thomas Umberg

    Legislator

    Assemblymember Bryan, I see present, and I think followed by Assemblymember Rogers, if I'm not mistaken. So if you, right. Keep your fingers crossed. There you go. Alright.

  • Thomas Umberg

    Legislator

    File name number 14, AB 2599.

  • Isaac Bryan

    Legislator

    Thank you, Mister Chair, and colleagues. I'm proud to present AB 2599, a bill focused on corporate transparency and accountability. For centuries, private corporations across the country benefited from shadow slavery. They benefited from the economic wealth transfer of free labor. They wrote loans using slaves as collateral.

  • Isaac Bryan

    Legislator

    They insured those loans and underwrote them with the same slave labor, but a lot of these stories have been erased and purposely hidden from the public. The truth and disclosure act requires that any company with an annual worldwide gross receipts of over a $100,000,000 to verify and search its records for any transactions related to wealth gained during chattel slavery and report that wealth to the state to be held in a public digital archive. This bill is simply about truth. It's simply about disclosure.

  • Isaac Bryan

    Legislator

    It's so that we have an understanding of how our public investments might still be going to corporations that have benefited from some of the darkest moments in world history and the darkest moments in our country's history.

  • Isaac Bryan

    Legislator

    With me to testify are pastor Michael McBride with Live Free and Don Tamaki, former Reparations Task Force member.

  • Thomas Umberg

    Legislator

    Pastor, the floor is yours.

  • Michael McBride

    Person

    Well, good afternoon. It is a gift to be here, and, very, grateful for, this opportunity to speak on this very important issue. As stated, my name is Michael McBride. I'm pastor of the Wake Christian Center, and executive of Live Free, the largest faith based network committing to ending mass, incarceration, and gun violence in our communities. We are also a founding and proud member

  • Michael McBride

    Person

    of ARRT, the Alliance for Reparations, Reconciliation and Truth. This bill AB 2599 is a powerful and necessary moral declaration of transparency, accountability, and truth telling. In essence, it will require corporations to disclose their historical financial benefits that derive from chattel slavery and human trafficking. And, just as importantly, it will go on record to make a commitment to never engage in such practices again.

  • Michael McBride

    Person

    Archbishop Desmond 2 2, a very, exemplary moral leader, views reparations as a moral imperative and essential component of healing historical trauma. This historical trauma that needs to continue the healing process in our country will be moved forward, in the state of California with the passage of the Truth and Disclosure Act. For how can we heal what we won't acknowledge? How can we repair what we won't be accountable for? The Truth and Disclosure Act is a commitment to placing truth as the foundation of repair.

  • Michael McBride

    Person

    To ensure that we protect the future by, promising publicly and also as, I was taught young, as a young person, we can respect people's, commitments but we must verify them with some, John Hancock's on a piece of paper that can withstand some legal scrutiny. Somebody say amen. Amen. Thank you. So we do believe that corporate responsibility is not a partisan issue.

  • Michael McBride

    Person

    It is a commitment for all of us to remain.

  • Thomas Umberg

    Legislator

    Pastor, at the risk of my own salvation, I'm gonna have to ask you to wrap up.

  • Michael McBride

    Person

    Yes. I was wrapping up.

  • Thomas Umberg

    Legislator

    Alright.

  • Michael McBride

    Person

    It's a commitment to remain transparent, grounded in truth, and accountability. Your salvation.

  • Thomas Umberg

    Legislator

    You urge an eye vote. Thank you. Oh, God. Okay. Next witness, please.

  • Thomas Umberg

    Legislator

    Other witnesses in support of AB 2599.

  • Don Tamaki

    Person

    Chair Umberg, members of the committee, it's always challenging to follow pastor Mike. Very powerful spokesman. My name is Don Tamaki. Recall that on 05/25/2020, the murder of George Floyd was captured in nine minutes and twenty nine seconds of excruciating video. Four months later, the California Reparations Task Force was signed into existence.

  • Don Tamaki

    Person

    I served as one of nine members of the task force, and I'm here in behalf of the Alliance for Reparations, Reconciliation and Truth, the statewide multiracial coalition urging the legislature to implement the task force's 115 recommendations.

  • Don Tamaki

    Person

    After two years of intense work in June 2023, the task force presented its groundbreaking, authoritative 1100 page final report consolidating 27 hearing days, 48 hours of testimony, and drawing a through line from 246 years of slavery, another 100 years of Jim Crow exclusion, and decades more of discrimination for most of the twentieth century, resulting in today's huge racial disparities from health to wealth.

  • Don Tamaki

    Person

    While California entered the Union in 1850 as a non slave state, enslavers entered California bringing their human property with them, more than 1,500 people. California's non slave constitution meant little since it was not a crime to keep black Californians in bondage. Worse, fugitive slave laws were enacted, allowing black people to be chased down and deported back to the South even though they had been living in the free state of California.

  • Don Tamaki

    Person

    In creating the task force, the legislature understood the importance of unmasking state sanctioned harm. It is likewise important to the public and for posterity that there be truth telling of the profits reaped by some corporations from the forced labor of trafficked African peoples and their American descendants Surround as commodities. So few of these corporations are known. We should know the names of all of them. We speak in behalf of AB 2599.

  • Thomas Umberg

    Legislator

    Thank you. Alright. Others in support of AB 2599. Please queue up. Give us your name and your affiliation and your position on the bill.

  • Kim Robinson

    Person

    Hi. My name is Kim Robinson. I'm with Black Women for Wellness Action Project, and we are in strong support of this bill.

  • Thomas Umberg

    Legislator

    Thank you.

  • Sam Wilkinson

    Person

    Hello. Sam Wilkinson with End Child Poverty in California in strong support. Thank you.

  • Lanae Norwood

    Person

    Linay Norwood with the Alliance for Reparations, Reconciliation, and Truth, and the California Black Power Network, and the IE Black Women's Collective in strong support for this bill. Thank you.

  • Ruth Sosa-Martinez

    Person

    Good afternoon. Ruth Sosa Martinez on behalf of Power CA Action in strong support. Thank you.

  • Aaron Chandler

    Person

    Aaron Chandler on on behalf of Black Equity Collective in strong support. Thank you.

  • Kristin Nimmers

    Person

    Kristen Nimmers on behalf of the California Black Power Network and Catalyst California in strong support. Thank you.

  • Carol Goldberg

    Person

    Carol Moon Goldberg with the League of Women Voters in support. Thank you.

  • Debray Sanders

    Person

    Good afternoon, Chair, members, and staff. Debray Sanders of Black Californians United for Early Care and Education, also a member of Art in strong support.

  • Thomas Umberg

    Legislator

    Thank you. Anyone else in support of AB 2599, now is the time to come forward? Seeing no one else coming forward, If you're opposed to a v twenty five ninety nine, now is the time to come forward.

  • Rochelle Conner

    Person

    Rochelle Conner, Frederick Douglass Foundation of California. I just have a question for the author.

  • Thomas Umberg

    Legislator

    Oh, well, ma'am, I'm sorry. Are you in support? If you're in No.

  • Rochelle Conner

    Person

    I'm in opposition, sir.

  • Thomas Umberg

    Legislator

    Alright. Go ahead and give us your you you give us your name. And then if you're a primary witness in opposition, you have two minutes.

  • Rochelle Conner

    Person

    My name is Rochelle Conner. I am past president of the Frederick Douglass Foundation of California. I have a question. And that question is, does this transparency bill include any corporation owned by black people who enslaved black people going back to the very first slave by Andrew Johnson who was a black man? I just wanna know if this bill includes transparency of any black owned corporations that enslaved and enriched themselves profitably from the use of black slaves.

  • Rochelle Conner

    Person

    That's my question for the author.

  • Thomas Umberg

    Legislator

    Alright. And are you a support or opposed to the bill?

  • Rochelle Conner

    Person

    I am opposed, sir.

  • Thomas Umberg

    Legislator

    Opposed to the bill. Alright. Thank you. Anyone else opposed to AB 2599 please come forward? Going once, going twice, seeing no one else coming forward, let's come back to committee.

  • Thomas Umberg

    Legislator

    Questions by committee members? Yes. Senator Weber Pearson.

  • Akilah Weber Pierson

    Legislator

    Thank you, Mr. Chair. I wanna thank the author so much for bringing this bill forward. As Chair of the California Legislative Black Caucus and Assemblymember Brian as vice Chair of the California Legislative Black Caucus, we have been working, for years on various aspects of the Reparation Task Force report. I want to thank those who came out and spoke in support of the bill. I saw Don Tamaki here.

  • Akilah Weber Pierson

    Legislator

    I haven't seen him in about a year since we were working on the, the agency bill and the genealogy bill. You know, this bill is extremely important because it acknowledges that many of the economic disparities facing black Americans did not happen by accident but also talks about the fact that many of the economic opportunities by major institutions did not also happen by accident, that those were a result of, their participation in, American chattel slavery.

  • Akilah Weber Pierson

    Legislator

    For example, the predecessors of JPMorgan Chase, Citibank, Bank of America, and Wells Fargo all participated in and benefited from American chattel slavery. When you look at some of the, insurance companies, New York Life Insurance, AIG, and Aetna all sold life insurances, on enslaved individuals to mitigate the risk of their slave owners. And so as we look at these institutions that have been around for hundreds of years, they received their financial foundation off of the black back of those that were enslaved.

  • Akilah Weber Pierson

    Legislator

    And so AB 2599 advances truth and accountability by requiring major corporations regardless of who currently owns them now or if they're owned by black, white, Asian, or whoever. But to examine and disclose whether or not their predecessor entities profited from the enslavement of black people, ensuring that this history is no longer hidden from public view and the lasting impacts of the harms of their foundation on black Americans is recognized and acknowledged.

  • Akilah Weber Pierson

    Legislator

    And so once again, I wanna thank Assemblymember Brian for bringing this bill forward. It is the only bill that the California Legislative Black Caucus has chosen as its priority bill for this legislative session and respectfully ask for an aye vote and move the bill at the appropriate time. Thank you.

  • Thomas Umberg

    Legislator

    Alright. Thank you. Senator Valderas, did you have your hand up? No?

  • Suzette Martinez Valladares

    Legislator

    I do not.

  • Thomas Umberg

    Legislator

    Oh, okay. Other questions or comments? Seeing no other Oh, I'm sorry. Senator Durazo.

  • María Elena Durazo

    Legislator

    Yes. Thank you, Arthur and the caucus and all who've been involved in bringing this forward and moving it forward. I think it's important for all of us to continue to understand the history and the depth that, slavery, caused in not only black Americans, but in all Americans. So I'm grateful for you moving this forward.

  • Thomas Umberg

    Legislator

    Alrighty. Senator Weber Pearson has moved the bill. Other questions or comments? Seeing none, would you like to close?

  • Isaac Bryan

    Legislator

    Absolutely. Well, I think the question that was asked to me is largely ridiculous. Any corporation with over a 100,000,000 in gross receipts, which would include black corporations, which I hope there are many, or will someday be many with over a 100,000,000 in gross receipts have to disclose their historic ties to to chattel slavery. We've had a public accounting of the ways that our civic institutions have benefited from chattel slavery and reaped wealth through that process.

  • Isaac Bryan

    Legislator

    And we've even had, some cost estimates of what a true repair and accounting for that would be.

  • Isaac Bryan

    Legislator

    We haven't had a full conversation about what the private sector's role in extracting that wealth, compounding that wealth, and continuing to pass that wealth through generations, what that looks like. This bill starts that conversation around truth and disclosure. I also wanna thank the Chair of the legislative black caucus, my colleague, Senator Weber, for her remarks and her leadership on this effort, and respectfully ask for your aye vote.

  • Thomas Umberg

    Legislator

    Thank you very much. Alright. Committee's supporter, please call the roll.

  • Committee Secretary

    This is file item number 14, AB 2599. The motion is do passed to the Senate Public Safety Committee. Umberg?

  • Thomas Umberg

    Legislator

    Aye.

  • Unidentified Speaker 002

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  • Thomas Umberg

    Legislator

    51. We'll put that on call. Alright. Thank you very much. Assemblymember Bryan, I see Assemblymember Rogers here.

  • Thomas Umberg

    Legislator

    You're up. And I also see, there several folks in the audience that I believe are here for the informational hearing. I do not think we're gonna get to that informational hearing anytime before four. So just heads up. Alright.

  • Thomas Umberg

    Legislator

    Assemblymember Rogers.

  • Chris Rogers

    Legislator

    Thank you so much, Mister Chair. I'm here to present AB 928, the COCKFIGHTING CRUELTY ACT of 2026. Given the inordinate length of of your committee hearing, I'll let our witnesses do the heavy lifting, but I will say this is the fifth hearing for this bill. Many of you had to deal with this yesterday. We did receive some late opposition.

  • Chris Rogers

    Legislator

    We are, have already reached out to work with those folks if this bill were to advance to appropriations. I'll let our witnesses talk about the bill, which gives more tools to local animal control to be able to address the farms that are, creating the birds for cockfighting, raising them in conditions to make them intentionally more aggressive. And I'm happy to answer any questions after the fact if the the committee has them.

  • Chris Rogers

    Legislator

    With that, I'll present Jenny Berg, who's the state director for Humane World for Animals, formerly known as the Humane Society, and Beth Wyatt, who is the operations manager for Sonoma County Animal Services.

  • Thomas Umberg

    Legislator

    Alright. Thank you.

  • Jenny Berg

    Person

    Good afternoon, Chair and members of the committee. I'm Jenny Berg, California state director for Humane World for Animals, the sponsor AB 928. This bill directly addresses the cruel, practice of cockfighting by getting at the root of the problem. The large scale illegal trafficking of fighting birds in our state. Cockfighting is organized crime commonly associated with drug trafficking, domestic violence, illegal gambling, money laundering, gun violence, all centered around violent cruelty to animals.

  • Jenny Berg

    Person

    Despite strong existing laws, cockfighting continues to flourish in California. The industry is driven by large scale game file breeders who sell birds for up to thousands of dollars to cockfighters, both domestically and internationally. California is widely recognized as one of, if not the largest source of fighting birds with cases that repeatedly uncover breeding operations with hundreds or thousands of fighting birds.

  • Jenny Berg

    Person

    AB 928 complements existing California law by establishing civil penalties for individuals who possess more than 25 roosters on a property that are tethered or caged individually, consistent with cockfighting operations. The 25 rooster threshold reflects well documented operational scale within the industry and provides clear, enforceable standards for intervention.

  • Jenny Berg

    Person

    Importantly, the legislation also includes explicit exemptions for anyone who has more than 25 roosters for legitimate reasons. The bill's language is a culmination of direct conversations with animal control experts and other stakeholders. It was carefully crafted to ensure that it targets cockfighting practices and does not impact legitimate agricultural education or hobby poultry activities. The ordinances address residents' concerns the these ordinances address residents' concerns excessive noise, illegal cockfighting, and cruelty to animals.

  • Jenny Berg

    Person

    I urge you to support AB 928 to protect animals, other communities, and the poultry industry from the clearly detrimental aspect of cockfighting. Thank you.

  • Thomas Umberg

    Legislator

    Alrighty. Thank you very much. Next witness in support of AB 928.

  • Beth Wyatt

    Person

    Hi. Good afternoon, Chair and members of the committee. I am Beth Wyatt, operations manager for Sonoma County Animal Services. We are in strong support of AB 928. I would like to share a recent Sonoma County Cockfighting case that highlights the need for this bill.

  • Beth Wyatt

    Person

    In late January 2026, what began as a suspected DUI stop by California Highway Patrol led to the discovery of five severely injured roosters being transported in a vehicle. One of our on call animal control officers responded. Also discovered in the vehicle were 24 slasher devices, devices commonly used in cockfighting inside the vehicle. That traffic stop launched a multi agency investigation. In February 2026, investigators serve a search warrant on a rural Sonoma County property suspected as operating as a cockfighter feeding facility.

  • Beth Wyatt

    Person

    What they found was staggering. A total of 833 live roosters were housed on the property. Many showed evidence of fighting injuries, including deep cuts and gouges. After determining there was sufficient evidence of Cockfighting activity including the manufacture of slashers for sale and use in cockfights, the Sonoma County Sheriff's Office authorized the seizure and humane euthanasia of all 833 birds. 10 animal control officers, two veterinarians, a registered vet tech worked until 11PM carrying out the operation.

  • Beth Wyatt

    Person

    The incident placed an enormous strain on Sonoma County Animal Services. Staff suffered workplace injuries and exposures to zoonotic diseases. The operation required significant overtime from multiple agencies. AB 928 would provide small departments like ours with additional tools and flexibility to work proactively with bird owners to manage flocks humanely and help prevent the spread of disease. AB 928 is essential to reduce cockfighting and eliminate the illicit gamefoul operations where roosters are bred, raised, and trained specifically for combat.

  • Beth Wyatt

    Person

    I respectfully request you vote aye on AB 928. Thank you.

  • Thomas Umberg

    Legislator

    Thank you. Perfect timing. Alright. Others in support of AB 928, please come forward.

  • Karen Stout

    Person

    Good afternoon, Chair and members. Karen Stout here on behalf of the Animal Legal Defense Fund in support. Thank you.

  • Thomas Umberg

    Legislator

    Thank you.

  • Lizzie Guansona

    Person

    Good afternoon. Lizzie Guasona here on behalf of Cal Animals and the Humane Veterinary Medical Alliance in support.

  • Thomas Umberg

    Legislator

    Thank you.

  • Lily Kirby

    Person

    Lily Kirby, citizen of Sacramento County, in support.

  • Thomas Umberg

    Legislator

    Thank you very much. Alright. Seeing no one else approached the microphone, in support of AB 928, let's turn to the opposition. If you're opposed to AB 928, now is your opportunity to come forward.

  • Unidentified Speaker

    Good afternoon, chairs and member. My name is Su Zhuang. I am the owner of XCDV and a proud member of the Hmong in California. I testify today strongly oppose AB 928 as AB 928 raised serious concern regardless religious liberty, due process, and its disproportionate impacts on immigrant communities. For many Hmong families, roosters are not simply livestock.

  • Unidentified Speaker

    They play an important role in our religious ceremonies, spiritual practice, families traditions, and culture observances that have been preserved, passed down through generations. Yet, AB 928 contains no religious exemptions and no accommodation for these long standing practices. As written, the bill risks burden the religious exercise of law abiding families without any requirement that the government provides lawful conduct. California already has a strong law prohibiting cockfighting, in possession of birds for fighting purposes.

  • Unidentified Speaker

    Those laws appropriately focus on criminal behaviors and intents.

  • Unidentified Speaker

    AB 928 moves from moves away from that framework by imposing penalized on lawful ownerships in, in husbandry practice rather than targeting actual illegal activities. I am also concerned that the bill would disproportionately affect immigrants' community where rooster ownerships remains culturally and religiously significant. Increasing inspection, citations, and enforcement action may further erode trust between government institutions and communities that California has worked hard to engage and support. Finally, the bill contains no meaningful requirements for multilingual outreach or educations before enforcements begin.

  • Unidentified Speaker

    Community potentially affect by this legislation deserve notice, education, and language they understand before facing penalty for conduct that, that they may not realize is restricted.

  • Unidentified Speaker

    AB 928, wrongfully infringe upon my religious practices, discard

  • Thomas Umberg

    Legislator

    Thank you very much.

  • Unidentified Speaker

    My culture tradition, and discriminate laws, abiding families.

  • Thomas Umberg

    Legislator

    And you urge a no vote?

  • Unidentified Speaker

    I hope you guys vote no.

  • Thomas Umberg

    Legislator

    Okay. Thank you. Alright. Next witness, please.

  • Alejandro Solis

    Person

    Good afternoon, Chair and members. Alejandro Solis in opposition to AB 928 on behalf of La Cooperativa, Campasina de California. AB 928 discriminately profiles Latinos and communities of color. The rooster represents the symbolic and cultural identity of many ethnic groups, and a new civil law will certainly and unfairly be used to profile immigrant Mexicans, Asians, and other communities of color. Rural unincorporated communities are home to thousands of migrant and immigrant farm workers and their families who will be

  • Alejandro Solis

    Person

    targeted by law enforcement simply by simply by hearing the rooster crowing. AB 928 will expand law enforcement's ability to issue civil penalties with a lesser standard than reasonable suspicion or beyond a reasonable doubt. Under this bill, it is entirely possible that law enforcement may believe that a resident is in violation of the new law, appear at the resident's front door, demand entry causing fear and uncertainty. Should a citation result, then the resident will need to resolve the citation. That's if they can afford to pay the fine.

  • Alejandro Solis

    Person

    Whether it is resolved or not, it will likely leave a record that is subject to investigation by federal immigration authorities. AB 928 likely will result in a in a USCIS immigration official to define and apply the issue of moral turpitude against Mexican and other immigrant communities. A new civil penalty law is unnecessary and inappropriate as the federal administration is looking for looking for creating new or refining laws to use to deny, charge, or detain, and deport immigrants for civil offenses.

  • Alejandro Solis

    Person

    It is entirely feasible that the proposed bill may be used against noncitizens and naturalized citizens. AB 928 will likely result in more work for immigration attorneys and accredited representatives to investigate and research on a client's case.

  • Alejandro Solis

    Person

    Currently, even traffic fix tickets are of concern. Current federal, state, and local law exist currently to address the illegality of human treatment of of roosters as cited by the analysis. Therefore, AB 928 is overbroad and unnecessary. It's not appropriate public policy. It will add to mistrust and fear of governmental law enforcement at a time when the federal administration is looking for any means to deny, detain, and deport residents without regard to due process. Thank you.

  • Thomas Umberg

    Legislator

    Thank you. Alright. Others in opposition to AB 928, please queue up. Please line up. If you oppose, please approach the microphone. Give us your name, your affiliation, and your position on the bill.

  • Vince Bennikid

    Person

    I'm Vince Bennikid. I'm from Sacramento County. I'm a member of the APG, and I oppose this bill. Thank you. Thank you.

  • Joe Valentino

    Person

    I'm Joe Valentino, and I strongly oppose this bill. Thank you.

  • Jesus Perez

    Person

    Hi. I'm Jesus Perez from Rio Linda. I'm opposed to this 928.

  • Thomas Umberg

    Legislator

    Thank you.

  • Alvin Salibar

    Person

    My name is Alvin Saldivar from Sacramento County. I oppose this bill.

  • Thomas Umberg

    Legislator

    Thank you.

  • Michael Mahoney

    Person

    My name is Michael Mahoney from Sacramento County, and I strongly oppose this bill. Thank you.

  • Mateo Noriega

    Person

    Mateo, my name is Mateo Noriega, and I strongly oppose this bill.

  • Thomas Umberg

    Legislator

    Thank you.

  • Gustavo Noriega

    Person

    Hello. My name is Gustavo Noriega, representing our family's feed store, Sutter County, and I strongly oppose this bill. Thank you.

  • Nestor Puking

    Person

    My name is Nestor Puking, and, I'm a member of APG, and I live in Sacramento County, and I'll oppose.

  • Oscar Gutierrez

    Person

    Oscar Gutierrez from Butte County, and I'll post to his bill. Thank you.

  • Thomas Umberg

    Legislator

    Thank you.

  • Ronald Lechuga

    Person

    Ronald Lechuga. I'm a member of the California APG and I am in opposition of AB 928.

  • Thomas Umberg

    Legislator

    Thank you.

  • Owen Sierra

    Person

    My name is Carlos Galvan. I live in Sacramento County, vote no on this bill. Thank you.

  • Joaquin Galvan

    Person

    My name is Joaquin Hernandez Galvan, vote no on this bill.

  • Thomas Umberg

    Legislator

    Alright. Thank you, sir.

  • Owen Sierra

    Person

    Hello. My name is Owen Sierra from, Sacramento County. We oppose to cockfighting, as the gentleman here explained. But AB 928 isn't definitely not the one Alright. I oppose.

  • Thomas Umberg

    Legislator

    Alright. Thank you.

  • Jeanette Pathin

    Person

    Hi. Janet Cinek Patin on behalf of the Coalition for Humane Immigrant Rights, one of the largest leading immigrant rights, organizations in the country, as well as California Rural Legal Foundation in opposition.

  • Thomas Umberg

    Legislator

    Thank you.

  • Alejandro Solis

    Person

    Once again, Alejandro Solis on behalf of the groups that signed on to our opposition letter. That is Asian Law Ally Asian Law Alliance, California Human Development, Central Valley Opportunity Center, the Center for Employment Training, First Day Foundation, Los Amigos de La Comunidad, Mothers of East Los Angeles, Amigo, Comiteracion del Valle, Social Equity Los Angeles, Wonderwood Ranch, Proteus Incorporated, all in opposition to AB 928.

  • Thomas Umberg

    Legislator

    Thank you. Thank you.

  • Unidentified Speaker

    My name is Sue. I'm actually a a fee store owner in the local, Sacramento County here, and I oppose AB 928.

  • Thomas Umberg

    Legislator

    Thank you. Others opposed to AB 928, please come forward. Alright. Let's bring it back committee for questions by committee members, questions by Senator D'Orazo. Did you have a question?

  • Joaquin Galvan

    Person

    Thank you. Yes. I started to share. I haven't gotten into all the issues with with the author. But I think first and foremost, should make it really clear that my comments and my questions are not about defending people who engage in cruelty to animals.

  • Joaquin Galvan

    Person

    In this case, roosters. But there are many issues that I have and concern. And and couple of questions before I go into my into my comments. If you could explain the relationship of this this bill to the counties that already have related ordinances.

  • Unidentified Speaker 056

    Yeah. Absolutely. And I appreciate the question. Currently, there are 16 counties in California that have ordinances that regulate how many roosters can be on a property. I believe, I'm I'm 99% sure, all 16 are more restrictive than this bill.

  • Unidentified Speaker 056

    That actually in the event that a county wants to do their own ordinance or has their own ordinance, their local ordinance would be what actually is in effect. I said this in our committee hearing yesterday, but the same is true in this committee here today. Every single member of this committee represents counties that have ordinances that are more restrictive than what this bill would be. In those counties, their local ordinances would be in effect.

  • Unidentified Speaker 056

    So I'll just as a as an example for Los Angeles County, the rule is that you can only have two roosters on a parcel that is half an acre or smaller, and a maximum of 10 roosters on an on a parcel that is larger than that.

  • Unidentified Speaker 056

    Our bill sets the baseline at 25. So as you can see, LA is much more restrictive than what this bill would be.

  • Joaquin Galvan

    Person

    Okay. Well but it would be on top of that?

  • Unidentified Speaker 056

    Well, it would not over it wouldn't supersede your local county ordinance. It would set a baseline for the counties that do not have their own ordinance in place.

  • Joaquin Galvan

    Person

    Okay. But there's there's a a requirement of intent to to treat the animals So in those in those local ordinances? They're not just like ownership of of roosters.

  • Unidentified Speaker 056

    It depends on the ordinance. And I'll say with this bill, what we were really trying to start with was looking at, where these birds that engage in cockfighting come from. Because most of the money to be made in cockfighting in California doesn't come from the actual fight. It comes from the preparation of the birds and then the sale of the birds for the purposes of a fight.

  • Unidentified Speaker 056

    And because it is very difficult to actually shut down the operations once they're at the fight, it that's what we were focused on.

  • Unidentified Speaker 056

    And as we work through this, and again, this bill, we've been working on it for a year and a half with many of these groups. What we found was that there were specific conditions wherein which you would have birds being raised to be more aggressive that would make them more valuable for the sale. The individual tethering was the key the key point.

  • Unidentified Speaker 056

    If you have more than 25 birds, but they are not individually tethered in a way that is intended for them to be more aggressive, you're not in the bill. So even if you're in a county where, that doesn't have its own local ordinance, you can have a 100 birds, 200 birds.

  • Unidentified Speaker 056

    If they're free range, if they're with other animals, it's the individuals, the conditions where in which they're raised to make them more aggressive. And that's where the pivot in the bill came in many of the amendments that you've seen. As was mentioned, we've been working on the bill for a year and a half, working with folks, and that's that's really where where we've landed. I'll note that there's a ton of exemptions in the bill.

  • Unidentified Speaker 056

    Ag businesses, so you heard from an ag business, that they're not impacted by it.

  • Unidentified Speaker 056

    Hobbyists, f, FFA, four h, if they're untethered, as I mentioned, specified show birds or specific types of birds that we see at rooster shows. For instance, I use the example of bantams. They're the little tiny birds. We don't see those in fighting, so there's an exemption for those. Backyard chickens, commercial poultry operations.

  • Unidentified Speaker 056

    There's a reason that the American Poultry Association that the Farm Bureau are not opposed to the bill. We've worked very closely with them.

  • Joaquin Galvan

    Person

    Thank you. Thank you. Appreciate that. And I appreciate all the effort that you put into trying to make this right. I think that I know my concern and what I hear from, members of the community there in opposition are how it could be unintended impact on the rest of our community.

  • Joaquin Galvan

    Person

    And since this is, this is pretty much would end up being primarily immigrant communities that would be impacted. I'm concerned that this would be looked at if you own roosters. Others could look at it and say, well, this is a potential breeding ground for criminal activity. I mean, part of the support comments made reference to other criminal activities. That could come with, oh, there's roosters over there, something else might be going on.

  • Joaquin Galvan

    Person

    The other is how this would, in this day and age with so much anti immigrant, hysteria that's that's out there with the raids. That it's just another opportunity. It's another excuse to go into our communities. And and and, you know, pull in some version of enforcement, some version of law enforcement. And that we don't want.

  • Joaquin Galvan

    Person

    This is not what we need at this particular time. And these communities would be the ones most impacted. So I'm I'm I'm concerned about that. I think there's a way of targeting illegal activity and not making just the ownership. If there's already, if there's already a law that says cockfighting and cruelty is illegal, why does just owning the roosters become illegal as well?

  • Joaquin Galvan

    Person

    So when a complaint is made, call a complaint is call is made, what are they gonna say? I hear roosters. Come and check it out. I mean, you know, they're not gonna have the perfect evidence. So somebody's gonna have to come out and check it and and check to see and how many roosters count them.

  • Joaquin Galvan

    Person

    I mean, that's kind that's the kind of presence in our community that we don't need. So I think it's very fair to have the strict the strict enforcement of real act real illegal activity but not just because you own the just because you own the rooster. So I'm very concerned about that and I think as you move, if you get this passed today, you gotta make it gotta make it you gotta make it taken that into consideration.

  • Joaquin Galvan

    Person

    We don't need this in our communities at this particular time, so I can't support in its current

  • Unidentified Speaker 056

    shape. Yeah. And if I could respond a couple of points. So first of all, there's zero data to suggest that immigrants engage in cockfighting more than non immigrants. There just has there's no data to back up that that claim.

  • Unidentified Speaker 056

    Second, I understand absolutely I'm a sensitive to the concerns around law enforcement, around immigrant communities right now. The part that you have concern with about animal control being able to come out when there's a complaint, that exists in every county currently, not because of our bill. What our bill allows for is when animal control does get one of those complaints, can look at the conditions on the farm to say whether they are consistent with farms that are creating the birds for fighting.

  • Unidentified Speaker 056

    One of the amendments that we took is again, this bill has been in print for a year and a half, is we had one immigrant, legal defense group that came forward that was concerned, and we worked with them to make sure that there's a two week minimum for individuals to be able to rectify anything that they find wrong that code enforcement or animal control finds wrong at that moment so that they can rectify it.

  • Unidentified Speaker 056

    Where there is no documentation that goes to the courts, there's no citation, no fine to pay.

  • Unidentified Speaker 056

    They have a remediation period consistent with most types of code code enforcement. That was very deliberate, and then that group removed their opposition. There are some additional, as I mentioned, opposition that came in literally at the end of last week. There is some that showed up to committee yesterday that we have reached out to that has still not responded to us nor reached out to us over the last year and a half that this bill has been in print.

  • Unidentified Speaker 056

    We have engaged trying to see if they would work with us because we are interested in making sure that those concerns are addressed in appropriations, should we advance out of this committee.

  • Unidentified Speaker 056

    The goal is not to criminalize immigrants. What the goal is is to make sure that we have the tools to prevent this from becoming a cockfight ultimately. That's where the 25 roosters came in is that's the profitability point for many of those folks raising the roosters in those conditions to be more aggressive.

  • Unidentified Speaker 056

    Again, you can raise as many roosters as you want, but the conditions that lead to them to be more aggressive for the purposes of cockfighting, which is more valuable for folks, that gives animal control a tool to try excuse me, to try to address it. But the ability for education to take place, the ability for that remediation period to take place, we thought was very important.

  • Unidentified Speaker 056

    We have an expert from animal control who, I'm sure, if you're interested, could explain how they go through that process, what they see that tells them if it's a legitimate operation where they just need education, or if after two weeks somebody hasn't been interested in remediating that, that's a really big signal that that they are not interested in remediating it, probably because they're engaging in this activity.

  • Joaquin Galvan

    Person

    I do think the the issue of generally more education, more connect Yep. More contact connection is an important issue. But you gotta understand and know what it's like No. In these communities today and to add another factor that would give a version of law enforcement to come into the communities to go into people's homes and properties is just not not needed right now. No.

  • Unidentified Speaker 056

    I understand that. And what I'm saying is that that already this this bill does not change that ability or that mechanism that's already in place. And I will say, you have 16 counties right now that have ordinances that are more restrictive than this, and we have not heard of a single instance where in which this has led to, somebody facing an immigration enforcement action, not one. So But I but I get the concern.

  • Joaquin Galvan

    Person

    But what they have now is they have to prove that there's some illegal activity, Whereas your bill is saying

  • Unidentified Speaker 056

    But the engagement with that animal control or code enforcement person currently, when a complaint comes in, they currently have the ability already to go and investigate.

  • Thomas Umberg

    Legislator

    Alright. Just for fun, let's do it through the Chair. Yeah. I'm sorry. Okay.

  • Thomas Umberg

    Legislator

    No sweat. So okay. Other questions or comments? No. Alright.

  • Thomas Umberg

    Legislator

    Is there a motion?

  • Unidentified Speaker 025

    Right here.

  • Thomas Umberg

    Legislator

    Senator Senator Wahab has moved the bill. Would you like to close?

  • Unidentified Speaker 056

    No. Just I appreciate the engagement on the issue. As we mentioned with additional opposition, we are interested in working with them to make sure that we're all on the same page. I would encourage folks to look at the social media accounts for some of the opposition that came in, to see some of the comments on the bill that people are saying, and then to judge for yourselves which concerns are legitimate and which folks are trying to protect a criminal enterprise.

  • Unidentified Speaker 056

    And with that, I ask for an aye vote.

  • Thomas Umberg

    Legislator

    Alright. Committee's support. Please call the roll.

  • Committee Secretary

    This is file item number 45, AB 928. The motion is do passed to the Senate Appropriations Committee. Umberg?

  • Thomas Umberg

    Legislator

    Aye.

  • Committee Secretary

    Umberg, Aye. Nilo? Aye. Nilo, Aye. Allen?

  • Committee Secretary

    Ashby? Caballero? Durazo? Laird? Reyes?

  • Committee Secretary

    Stern? Valadares? Wahab Aye. Wahab, aye. Weber Pearson?

  • Unidentified Speaker 002

    Aye. Weber Pearson, aye. Weiner? Aye. Weiner, aye.

  • Committee Secretary

    50.

  • Thomas Umberg

    Legislator

    50. Alright. We're gonna put that on call. I see Assemblymember Zibur here. Much to your surprise, I'll bet that you are presenting your bill before 04:00.

  • Rick Chavez Zbur

    Legislator

    Yes. Yes. Yes.

  • Unidentified Speaker 012

    And I've

  • Unidentified Speaker 000

    got two. Alright.

  • Thomas Umberg

    Legislator

    File number 53, AB 1930.

  • Rick Chavez Zbur

    Legislator

    Great. Thank you, Mister Chair, members. I'm proud today to present AB 1930 sponsored by Attorney General Rob Bonta and Equality California, which will defend health care access and enforce California's protected health activities laws for all who provide and receive care in California. I'd like to begin by accepting the committee amendments and thanking the Chair and the committee staff for their work and their allyship on this issue.

  • Rick Chavez Zbur

    Legislator

    California has long been a place where people can access the health care they need and live authentically, safely, and with dignity.

  • Rick Chavez Zbur

    Legislator

    But across the country, we're seeing a coordinated effort to roll that back. Efforts to intimidate patients, to target providers, and to attack abortion and gender affirming care, care that simply allows people to live who they are, who they truly are. And as we've already see and we've already seen the consequences of those efforts right here in California.

  • Rick Chavez Zbur

    Legislator

    Last year, the US Department of Justice issued a subpoena to Children's Hospitals Los Angeles seeking information that could identify thousands of transgender youth receiving care, care they receive with the support of their families and their doctors. That action just didn't raise alarms.

  • Rick Chavez Zbur

    Legislator

    It had real consequences. It put privacy and safety at risk, and it contributed to the closure of the Hospital Center for Trans Youth Health and Development, cutting off access to care for young people who need it most. That is unacceptable. No one should have to fear that seeking lawful medical care could put their privacy or their safety at risk.

  • Rick Chavez Zbur

    Legislator

    AB 1930 will protect patients and providers by requiring business entities in California to notify the Office of the California Attorney General if they intend to respond to a subpoena regarding legally protected health care activity.

  • Rick Chavez Zbur

    Legislator

    The bill also gives the Attorney General the authority to both intervene and counsel the, and counsel the entity who received the subpoena and to enforce the provisions of the bill. Let's be clear. California will not buckle under threats buckle under to threats meant to intimidate our communities.

  • Rick Chavez Zbur

    Legislator

    We're gonna stand firmly on the side of patient privacy, dignity, and access to care. We're gonna protect our providers, and we're gonna make sure that California remains a safe haven for all those who need it.

  • Rick Chavez Zbur

    Legislator

    My office is working with the hospital association, the children's hospitals, and other concerned stakeholders on amendments that will address their concerns while maintaining the integrity of this bill. I wanna thank the Chair who's also been involved in some of these discussions, and thank you for the continued dialogue as we work our way through those issues.

  • Rick Chavez Zbur

    Legislator

    Because we've run out of time to take those in commit, some of those in committee, I've committed to the Chair that I'll be continuing to work with stakeholders and with him and the staff to reach an agreement.

  • Rick Chavez Zbur

    Legislator

    I ask for your aye vote at the appropriate time. And with me today in support of the bill is Magaly Zagal on behalf of Equality California, and Tiffany Brokaw, Deputy Attorney General in the Office of Legislative Affairs.

  • Rick Chavez Zbur

    Legislator

    Also today, we got Carly Eisenberg, Supervising Deputy Attorney General for reproductive the reproductive justice unit who's available to answer technical questions.

  • Thomas Umberg

    Legislator

    Alright. Thank you very much. Floor is yours.

  • Magaly Zagal

    Person

    Good afternoon, Chair and members. Magaly Zagal on behalf of Equality California, cosponsor of this measure. AB 1930 is about protecting Californians, especially LGBTQ individuals seeking lawful health care in the state. We are seeing increased efforts from out of state actors targeting patients and providers alike for care that is fully legal and lawful here in the state. For LGBTQ Californians, this creates real harm.

  • Magaly Zagal

    Person

    There is fear of seek, they fear seeking medically necessary care. There's risk and legal uncertainty for providers delivering such care. There's uncertainty for families relying on California's legal protections. California has long served as a safe haven. This bill ensures it remains one.

  • Magaly Zagal

    Person

    This bill takes a measured and practical approach by requiring notice and transparency around certain requests. It reinforces protections for individuals acting lawfully under California law. And as the Attorney General's office will explain, the bill has been carefully refined through amendments to address stakeholder concerns while maintaining core protections.

  • Magaly Zagal

    Person

    LGBTQ Californians, particularly transgender individuals and those seeking gender affirming care, are facing a rapidly intensifying climate of uncertainty and fear driven by actions in other states that attempt to reach across borders to access personal data or penalize lawful care.

  • Magaly Zagal

    Person

    Even when care is fully legal in California, patients and providers are increasingly concerned about exposure, surveillance, and legal risk originating elsewhere. Without clear safeguards, Californians remain exposed to hostile out of state enforcement efforts. This bill ensures California law keeps pace with those risks.

  • Magaly Zagal

    Person

    For these reasons, Equality California respectfully ask for your aye vote. Thank you.

  • Thomas Umberg

    Legislator

    Alrighty. Thank you very much. Next, Miss Brokaw.

  • Tiffany Brokaw

    Person

    Good afternoon, Chair and members. Tiffany Brokaw, Deputy Attorney General here on behalf of Attorney General, Rob Bonta in his Office of Legislative Affairs. We are proud to cosponsor AB 1930, and we thank Assembly members Zbur for his authoring this important piece of legislation. AB 1930 strengthens protections for patients receiving reproductive care as well as the providers who serve them.

  • Tiffany Brokaw

    Person

    It requires certain California business entities to notify the California Attorney General before responding to specified requests for information related to abortion and gender affirming care.

  • Tiffany Brokaw

    Person

    It also authorizes the AG to intervene to prevent the improper disclosure of such information. Recent actions by federal and out of state officials have raised concerns about attempts to obtain private medical information or prosecute individuals involved in legally protected health care.

  • Tiffany Brokaw

    Person

    Without strong safeguards, subpoenas, investigations, and other legal demands may be used to circumvent California law and undermine the rights of patients and the providers that serve them.

  • Tiffany Brokaw

    Person

    AB 1930 provides our office the opportunity to intervene and prevent these disclosures from happening in order to protect the privacy of patients and providers. And for these reason, we respectfully request an aye vote.

  • Thomas Umberg

    Legislator

    Alrighty. Thank you very much. Alright. If you're in support of AB 1930, please approach the microphone.

  • Rebecca Gonzales

    Person

    Rebecca Gonzales, Western Center on Law and Poverty in support.

  • Thomas Umberg

    Legislator

    Thank you.

  • Sam Wilkinson

    Person

    Sam Wilkinson with End Child Poverty in California in support. Thank you.

  • Danny Kaiser

    Person

    Danny Kendall Kaiser on behalf of the Electronic Frontier Foundation in support.

  • Thomas Umberg

    Legislator

    Thank you. Alright. Anyone else in support of AB 1930? I see the opposition getting ready. If you're opposed to AB 1930, now please approach the microphone.

  • Thomas Umberg

    Legislator

    If your support

  • Thomas Umberg

    Legislator

    Okay. If you're in support of AB 1930, now's a good time to come forward.

  • Cox Carmen-Nicole

    Person

    Hi, Chair. It's not support. It's Tweener.

  • Thomas Umberg

    Legislator

    Alright. Now, go ahead.

  • Cox Carmen-Nicole

    Person

    Thank you. My name is Carmen Nicole Cox. I'm here on behalf of the California Children's Hospital Association. We did submit a letter of concerns. We appreciate we've been working so well with the author's office.

  • Cox Carmen-Nicole

    Person

    We're all on the same side here, and we're really looking forward to achieving the amendments that we need to make this operational.

  • Thomas Umberg

    Legislator

    Alright. Thank you. Thank you very much.

  • Thomas Umberg

    Legislator

    If you're opposed to AB 1930, now is a good time to approach.

  • Thomas Umberg

    Legislator

    Okay. Go ahead.

  • Vanessa Gonzalez

    Person

    Thank you. Vanessa Gonzalez, California Hospital Association. We really appreciate the ongoing discussions with the author and sponsors to address our concerns. Now, we're not quite there yet, but are hopeful that we'll get to a good place as the bill moves forward.

  • Thomas Umberg

    Legislator

    Alright. Alright. Is this a Tweener?

  • Vanessa Gonzalez

    Person

    Yes, sir.

  • Thomas Umberg

    Legislator

    So you're you like the idea, but you need amendments.

  • Angela Hill

    Person

    Yeah. I align. Angela Hill with the California Medical Association. I align my comments with CHA and thank the author as well. Thank you.

  • Thomas Umberg

    Legislator

    Okay. Thank you. Alright. One one second. Anyone else who wishes to be a tweener?

  • Thomas Umberg

    Legislator

    No other tweeners. Okay. Now the opposition. If you're opposed to AB 1930, floor is yours.

  • Nicole Young

    Person

    Thank you. Nicole Young, Moms for Liberty Placer County. Every year you have a trans theme. This year, it's protecting the ghouls who are destroying children's bodies. This bill makes California a shield for providers who transition minors without adequate informed consent, and it actively blocks parents and other states from holding those providers accountable through lawful legal process.

  • Nicole Young

    Person

    It penalizes California businesses, really any company that does business in California, medical record companies, telehealth platforms, insurers, for complying with a lawful subpoena from another state's courts. It hands the California Attorney General Authority to sue any entity that dares cooperate with another state's child welfare proceeding.

  • Nicole Young

    Person

    It protects California's Doctor, Johanna Olson Kennedy who proudly transitions sex traffic, drug addicted, and homeless children. It protects Scott Mosser, a California surgeon who stated on video that he will remove any female's breasts regardless of age. He boasts that he has amputated two thousand women's breasts.

  • Nicole Young

    Person

    It protects San Francisco Surgeon, Thomas Satterwhite who will add a never healing fake vagina to a male while leaving his penis intact, manufacturing a human hermaphrodite. Online sellers of cross sex hormones who melt children testosterone or estrogen will be protected from prosecution.

  • Nicole Young

    Person

    Sweden, Finland, England, and Denmark have all concluded these interventions cause more harm than good. Every major systematic review of the evidence concludes that the evidence base for performing sex rejecting interventions is low.

  • Nicole Young

    Person

    The FTC just sued WPATH last week for making false and deceptive claims about the safety and medical necessity of these procedures.

  • Nicole Young

    Person

    The entire transgender edifice is collapsing, and California Democrat politicians want to protect the doctors who perform these procedures. California should not be in the business of shielding the perpetrators of medical malpractice and violations of other states' laws. Stand for something for once and vote no. Thank you.

  • Thomas Umberg

    Legislator

    Alrighty. Thank you very much. Next witness, please.

  • Erin Friday

    Person

    Erin Friday, Attorney and President of our duty. This bill creates a shield for medical providers who perform sex rejecting interventions on minors, bars compliance of out of state subpoenas, authorizes the attorney general to sue companies that cooperate with other states' child welfare proceedings, and places California in direct conflict with the full faith and credit clause of the constitution. The bill also shields those providers from California law enforcement.

  • Erin Friday

    Person

    A DA investigating a provider for performing sex rejecting interventions on a minor without parental consent, child abuse in California can be impeded because he must attest to the consent status without the records that he needs to prove that attestation. The penalties for being wrong are steep enough to discourage the DA from action.

  • Erin Friday

    Person

    This committee needs to understand who is harmed by transgenderism. It is autistic kids, those with preexisting mental health issues, victims of sexual assault and trauma, and a group that you, Mister Zbur, purport to care about, kids who are likely to grow up to be gay as adults. The entire pediatric met gender medicine edifice rests on a single Dutch study of 70 kids. Of those 70 kids, 62 were same sex attracted. Only one was heterosexual.

  • Erin Friday

    Person

    A gay doctor at The UK's pediatric gender clinic stated that there is a dark joke among the team that there will be no gay kids left at this rate, at the rate that they're transitioning these kids. So you, Sir, are transing the gay

  • Thomas Umberg

    Legislator

    Miss Friday. You direct your comments to the committee.

  • Chris Schultz

    Person

    Chris Schultz with the California Bankers Association. We have an opposing unless amended position. We continue working with the author's office in the Department of Justice. Banks received a lot of document requests for divorces, bankruptcies, things like this. Concerned that, everyone may not know they need to submit those requests with the required affidavit. Thank you, Sir.

  • Thomas Umberg

    Legislator

    Alrighty. Thank you. Others opposed to AB 1930?

  • Rochelle Connor

    Person

    Rochelle Connor, Concerned Women for America, representing thousands of families. We strongly oppose this bill.

  • Thomas Umberg

    Legislator

    Alright. Thank you.

  • Paul Everts

    Person

    Paul Everts, teacher, cause our duty, Moms for Liberty, strongly oppose this bill. Thank you.

  • Thomas Umberg

    Legislator

    Thank you.

  • Thomas Umberg

    Legislator

    Others in opposition, please approach the microphone.

  • Lisa Disbrow

    Person

    Lisa Disbrow, Moms for Liberty of Contra Costa County, Informed parents of Contra Costa County, a mom, a nana, a veteran public school teacher. Let's protect the kids. All kids.

  • Thomas Umberg

    Legislator

    Alright.

  • Lisa Disbrow

    Person

    In opposition.

  • Thomas Umberg

    Legislator

    Alrighty. Okay. Anyone else in the opposition to AB 1930? Please approach the microphone.

  • Thomas Umberg

    Legislator

    Seeing no one else approaching the microphone, let's bring it back to committee.

  • Thomas Umberg

    Legislator

    Questions? Comments? Yes. Senator Weber Pierson.

  • Akilah Weber Pierson

    Legislator

    Thank you, Chair. I wanna thank the author for bringing this bill forward.

  • Thomas Umberg

    Legislator

    Senator Weber Pierson, would you pull your microphone just a little closer there? Okay. There you go.

  • Akilah Weber Pierson

    Legislator

    I wanna thank the author for bringing this bill forward. Glad to hear that you are still having conversations with some members that are now tweeners, CHA and the Children's Hospital because, there are I think there's some vagueness in the bill that, is very concerning to hospitals and also for those of us that actually provide care to patients.

  • Akilah Weber Pierson

    Legislator

    So, you know, for example, many hospital record requests involve billing and licensure quality oversight research or employment matters where information related to abortion or gender affirming care may be present but is not actually the subject of that investigation.

  • Akilah Weber Pierson

    Legislator

    And so, you know, there's confusion as to whether or not these routine requests would trigger the bill's reporting and waiting and notification requirements. And just wondering if you have any comments on that or if that's something that you're still in the process of kind of working out.

  • Rick Chavez Zbur

    Legislator

    You know, I think one of the, one of the challenges and one of the things we are focused on is really sort of trying to differentiate these sort of regulatory requests that are sort of, you know, that happen regularly from, you know, when you have some entity that is actually trying to get private medical records in a way that's harmful to patients and to the providers. So we are continuing to work with the Hospital Association.

  • Rick Chavez Zbur

    Legislator

    We're committed to working with CMA and with the Children's Hospital to continue addressing those and also reducing the likelihood of there being sort of friction between a federal and putting them at crosshairs in a way that is not necessary. So we we are continuing to look at those issues.

  • Akilah Weber Pierson

    Legislator

    Okay. And, another question that I have, you know, we, we have been very strong, you know, we are reproductive, we are reproductive health state. We strongly believe in comprehensive reproductive health care. We've also established that, you know, we support, you know, all forms of gender affirming care. But this does not necessarily align with federal policy and where the this current federal administration is going.

  • Akilah Weber Pierson

    Legislator

    And so there is concern about penalties and the cost of penalties and other things that may happen if, you know, a hospital ignores or delays a federal request. And so I'm not sure if you all have any sense of how significant that might be, especially in a time when hospitals are already under significant financial distress, especially some of them.

  • Akilah Weber Pierson

    Legislator

    If we are if we have a sense of what that would cost and if there has been any conversation about how we would be able to support those hospitals if they are following California law and delaying answering some of these requests because there's now potentially a process that's gonna be established, but then they get a significant fine by the Federal Government. Have we thought about that?

  • Rick Chavez Zbur

    Legislator

    The answer to that is yes. So first of all, the fine under this bill is actually pretty modest.

  • Akilah Weber Pierson

    Legislator

    Right. But I'm talking about from the Federal Government.

  • Rick Chavez Zbur

    Legislator

    From the Federal Government. One of the things we are doing is we're looking at the timing considerations on what is likely to, as I mentioned, cause a medical provider to run into crosshairs with the Federal Government looking at those timing issues. We we want there to remain in the bill a requirement that the Attorney General be notified in sufficient amount of time for the Attorney General to intervene.

  • Rick Chavez Zbur

    Legislator

    And so that's the goal we're trying to look at, how we can compress those so that those become less of a risk.

  • Akilah Weber Pierson

    Legislator

    Thank you.

  • Thomas Umberg

    Legislator

    Alright. Thank you. Any further questions or comments? Is there a motion?

  • Thomas Umberg

    Legislator

    Alright. Senator Weber Pearson has moved the bill. So Assemblymember Zbur, thank you for agreeing to take the amendments. I realize they've not been taken in this committee. They're outlined in the analysis. You've committed to taking them in the next committee should this bill pass.

  • Thomas Umberg

    Legislator

    Also, in terms of shortening the timeline, I wanna make sure that you've committed to shorten the timeline so it is less burdensome to hospitals and other healthcare providers that I understand and agree with the intent of the bill. I wanna make sure it's workable.

  • Rick Chavez Zbur

    Legislator

    Yep. Now, we one of the things we're looking at is shortening the timeline, that is required for the notice to give the Attorney General more time to respond to it and then shortening the timeline. I mean, I agree that thirty days is likely to put these medical care providers in a a fair number of cases at risk.

  • Rick Chavez Zbur

    Legislator

    So we're looking at we have committed to shorten the timelines, and we will be in discussion with your committee staff, the committee Chair, and continue to talk to the hospital association and CMA about those timelines. But we have made a commitment to shorten them.

  • Thomas Umberg

    Legislator

    Alright. And I know that you you've kept your commitments, and so I know you will keep your commitments. But we just wanna make sure that this becomes feasible.

  • Rick Chavez Zbur

    Legislator

    Yeah.

  • Thomas Umberg

    Legislator

    So, alright.

  • Thomas Umberg

    Legislator

    With that, there's been a motion. Committee assistant Porter, if you call the roll.

  • Committee Secretary

    This is file item number 53, AB 1930. The motion is to pass the Senate Public Safety Committee.

  • Committee Secretary

    [roll call]

  • Committee Secretary

    4-1.

  • Thomas Umberg

    Legislator

    4 to one. We'll put that on call. Alright. Assemblymember Ziburr, file number 54 AB 2039. And for those of us who are following the committee today, after Assemblymember Zibur presents twenty thirty nine, then we are going to go through the role one time.

  • Thomas Umberg

    Legislator

    Then, we'll finish the very final bill, and then we're gonna turn the informational hearing. So Assemblymember Zbur, floor is yours. File item number 54, AB 2039.

  • Rick Chavez Zbur

    Legislator

    Thank you again, Mister Chair and members. I'm proud to present AB 2039, which will protect victims, preserve the integrity of the justice system, and close loopholes in existing law that bad attorneys exploit. Access to justice depends on public trust in the legal profession. When attorneys exploit vulnerable people paying runners to file fraudulent claims, lending money to clients in ways that create hidden conflicts, they just don't break the law.

  • Rick Chavez Zbur

    Legislator

    They undermine the credibility of every attorney fighting for injured Californians who have nowhere else to turn.

  • Rick Chavez Zbur

    Legislator

    And when bad actors erode trust in the system, real people lose lose access to justice and accountability. Recent reporting by the Los Angeles Times highlighted a wave of inappropriate attorney conduct, including allegations that attorneys paid recruiters to find them clients and paid individuals to fabricate claims and become their clients.

  • Rick Chavez Zbur

    Legislator

    Unethical conduct results in claims being brought that are false or fraudulent, which not only undermine our justice system, it also denies real victims their day in court by wasting the time and resources that should go to real cases. AB 2039 closes three specific enforcement gaps that allow misconduct to go undisciplined. First, this bill requires mandatory summary disbarment when attorneys are convicted of felony capping or illegally soliciting clients and misdemeanor convictions involving knowing financial gain.

  • Rick Chavez Zbur

    Legislator

    Second, the bill prohibits termination, harassment, blacklisting, or other retaliation against people inside firms who report misconduct. Lastly, this bill requires clear separate attorney client loan agreements with no hidden fees or interest and informed an an informed consent process and a cooling down period before signing. Together, these reforms will help ensure that attorneys are held accountable for misconduct and will reduce the number of fraudulent cases that, take up time and resources in California.

  • Rick Chavez Zbur

    Legislator

    I wanna thank the California consumer attorneys, the consumer attorneys of California for working with us on this bill, and for their commitment to making sure that we maintain high degrees of ethics in the legal profession. I ask for your aye vote at the appropriate time.

  • Rick Chavez Zbur

    Legislator

    And with me today is Casey Johnson, president of the Consumer Attorneys of California, who are the sponsor of the bill.

  • Thomas Umberg

    Legislator

    Alright. Mister Johnson, floor is yours.

  • Casey Johnson

    Person

    Good afternoon, Mister Chair and members. My name is Casey Johnson. I'm the president-elect of the Consumer Attorneys of California and a partner at Aiken Aiken and Co. I'm here as a sponsor of AB 2039. This bill is about protecting consumers and restoring trust in our legal system.

  • Casey Johnson

    Person

    Right now, California already has laws against serious miss attorney misconduct, like illegal client solicitation known as capping and unethical financial arrangements with clients. But the reality is these, laws are not being enforced consistently. As a result, bad actors can exploit vulnerable clients, people who are often dealing with injuries, financial hardship, or crises, and they face uneven consequences. We've also seen the people who try to report misconduct risk retaliation, including losing their jobs or being pushed out of the profession. This creates a culture where wrongdoing can continue unchecked.

  • Casey Johnson

    Person

    AB 2039 addresses these gaps with three key reforms. First, it creates clear mandatory consequences for illegal client solicitation schemes. If an attorney is convicted of this misconduct, they will be disbarred. No loopholes, no inconsistent discipline. Second, it protects whistleblowers, so employees, colleagues, and others can report misconduct without fear of retaliation.

  • Casey Johnson

    Person

    And third, it prevents financial exploitation by banning attorneys from charging interest or hidden fees on loans or advances to their own clients, ensuring these arrangements don't erode a client's recovery. Together, these reforms strengthen accountability and ensure the law is applied fairly and consistently. This bill is about making sure legal decisions are based on what's best for the client, not financial incentives or unethical practices. It protects vulnerable Californians and supports the overwhelming majority of ethical attorneys who are already following the rules.

  • Casey Johnson

    Person

    AB 2039 strengthens consumer protections and upholds the integrity of our legal system. I respectfully ask for your aye vote.

  • Thomas Umberg

    Legislator

    Alright. Thank you, Mister Johnson. Others in support of AB 2039, please approach the microphone.

  • Annalee Akin

    Person

    Thank you, Mister Chair and members. Annalee Augustine with the Civil Justice Association of California. Pleased to support.

  • Thomas Umberg

    Legislator

    Alright. Here we go again. CJAC and CAOC. Alright. Anyone else?

  • Thomas Umberg

    Legislator

    AB 2039. Seeing no one else approached the microphone in support, let's turn the opposition. If you oppose AB 2039, now is a good time to come forward. Alright. Let's bring it back to committee members.

  • Thomas Umberg

    Legislator

    Just an announcement for committee members. In just a moment, we're gonna turn to calling the roll on all the bills. So Alright. Questions, comments? Seeing no questions or comments, is there a motion?

  • Thomas Umberg

    Legislator

    Senator Wahab has moved oh, I'm sorry. Senator Niello.

  • Roger Niello

    Legislator

    Just very quickly, I'd like to congratulate the author for receiving the support of two of the most unique political bedfellows, the consumer attorneys and and CJAC. Good for you. Thank you.

  • Thomas Umberg

    Legislator

    Stick around for the informational hearing. You'll really be surprised. So Alright. So, there's been a motion by Senator Wahab. Would you like to close?

  • Rick Chavez Zbur

    Legislator

    I respectfully ask for your aye vote.

  • Thomas Umberg

    Legislator

    Alright. Committee Assistant Porter. By the way, thank you very much. On behalf of the profession, this is an important bill and I appreciate your leadership in advancing the profession in these trying times. Thank you, Assemblymember Zbur.

  • Thomas Umberg

    Legislator

    Thank you. Thank you. Alright. Committee assistant Porter.

  • Unidentified Speaker 002

    [Roll Call]

  • Thomas Umberg

    Legislator

    8-0 put that on call.

  • Thomas Umberg

    Legislator

    I see

  • Thomas Umberg

    Legislator

    Thank you very much. Assembly member Sharpe Collins here. The floor is yours. This is the last bill. We are gonna have the informational hearing though.

  • Thomas Umberg

    Legislator

    Don't get too excited. Okay.

  • Lashae Sharp-Collins

    Legislator

    Alright.

  • Lashae Sharp-Collins

    Legislator

    going to the wrong

  • Thomas Umberg

    Legislator

    Alright

  • Lashae Sharp-Collins

    Legislator

    Running running. Good afternoon Chair and members. Today I am here to present Assembly Bill 2395.

  • Lashae Sharp-Collins

    Legislator

    A bill that fosters equity throughout the state by increasing access to the state child support debt debt reduction program. California carries more than 6,000,000,000 in government owed child support debt, much of which is is actually, exacerbated by the 10% interest rate, one of the highest in the entire nation. People get into this type of debt because the parent paying child support must repay the government assistance their child currently receives.

  • Lashae Sharp-Collins

    Legislator

    The result of of this government reimbursement comes at the expense of a child that loses money their parent can can provide. This can be incredibly harmful as a child is already eligible for government assistance due to their custodial parent's income.

  • Lashae Sharp-Collins

    Legislator

    The debt reduction program was created to assist these low income families who have been paralyzed by their debt situation. However, the programs lack uniformity as local child support agencies have varying methods of administering, the program. This causes some parents to miss their opportunity to participate in a program that could assist them in providing for their child. My bill ensures that that low sorry.

  • Lashae Sharp-Collins

    Legislator

    My bill ensures that local child support agencies have readily available program contact information, establishes a clear timeline for processing cases, and allow parents an opportunity to contest agency action.

  • Lashae Sharp-Collins

    Legislator

    We have worked, collaborative with the key stakeholders, CAL, c CSA, and they have removed their opposition. And here to provide witness testimony to testify is Rebecca Gonzalez from policy advocate for Western Center on Law and Poverty and and Koi Satterin from the Coalition of California Welfare Rights Organizations.

  • Thomas Umberg

    Legislator

    Excuse me. Miss Gonzales, the the floor is yours.

  • Rebecca Gonzalez

    Person

    Good afternoon, Mr. Chair and members. My name is Rebecca Gonzales with the Western Center on Law and Poverty. We are a cosponsor of AB 2395 with the Truth and Justice in Child Support Coalition. This bill would create enforceable statewide standards to ensure the existing debt deduct debt reduction program in child support truly helps low income parents to settle their government owed child support debt. For over forty years, California has required parents who receive CalWORKs to repay these benefits by intercepting their child support.

  • Rebecca Gonzalez

    Person

    Families receiving CalWORKs generally only only receive $100 for one child or $200 for two or more children of their monthly child support, while the government keeps the rest. The debt can grow rapidly because of the 10% interest rate. Past studies show that 95% of this government owed debt is uncollectible, and the bulk of the state owed arrears are owed by parents with extremely low incomes. In many of these cases, the children are now adults and the parents are in their fifties or sixties.

  • Rebecca Gonzalez

    Person

    Specifically, this bill requires the department to promulgate statewide program regulations, forms, and procedures to make the program operate uniformly throughout the state, which can be enforced through the department's existing complaint resolution process, require all local child support agencies to post the application to the program to their website, have a designated phone number or email, and send a notice to parents who are eligible.

  • Rebecca Gonzalez

    Person

    Lastly, the bill ensures the new regulations account for pass throughs for formerly assisted CalWORKs families. Lifting the burden of government owed child support death from parents has shown to reduce employment barriers, improve housing status and credit scores, and more and most importantly, improve parent child and co parenting relationships. This bill is a common sense improvement of an existing program, and we ask for your eye vote. Thank you.

  • Thomas Umberg

    Legislator

    Alrighty. Thank you very much. Thank you. Next witness.

  • Koissy Tern

    Person

    Hi, Chair members. Koissy Tern with the Coalition of California Welfare Rights Organization. I'm reading testimony, on behalf of DeMond Hampton. Good afternoon, Audible Committee members. My name is DeMond Hampton, and I live in Van Nuys.

  • Koissy Tern

    Person

    My child support obligations began in 1995, and over time, because I could not pay the full amount, my child support arrears just ballooned. My debt got so high that I felt like I was stuck in a hole. My children were in their thirties, and I had over $100,000 in child support arrears, most of it interest. Also, all of my arrears were assigned to the government and not owed to my children. Over the last decade, I have been on a fixed income.

  • Koissy Tern

    Person

    Every month, child support garnished $50 for my social security. Child support arrears because they held me back from growing in life. I could not move forward while I had such a big debt. Over the years, I talked to child support workers and family law facilitators about my arrears, but no one ever told me about the debt reduction program. It wasn't until I went to Neighborhood Legal Services that an attorney told me about the program.

  • Koissy Tern

    Person

    At first, I couldn't even get a copy of the application. When I asked my child support caseworker about it, she told me that in order to apply, LA Child Support had to first audit my account, which could take up to a year. After the audit was complete, child support sent me a copy of the application. I returned the application and took three more months to receive a response. When my application was approved, they told me that I had to make payment within thirty days.

  • Koissy Tern

    Person

    They could not show me a copy of the debt relief agreement until I made had made the payment. Luckily, I was able to make the payment and sign the agreement, and today, all of my child support debt has been resolved. AB 2395 will help other people like me resolve old and burdensome government owed debt child support debt. It will make sure people know about the debt reduction program.

  • Koissy Tern

    Person

    It will make sure there are clear rules to follow it, to apply and qualify, and it'll make sure people do not have to wait for months and months to get the relief they qualify for and move forward in their lives.

  • Koissy Tern

    Person

    We are due to vote Aye.

  • Thomas Umberg

    Legislator

    Vote Aye. Thank you. You and Mister Hammond. Got it. Okay.

  • Thomas Umberg

    Legislator

    Thank you. Others in support of AB 2395, please come forward.

  • Sam Wilkinson

    Person

    Hello. Sam Wilkinson with End Child Poverty in California, also a cosponsor of the bill and strong support. Thank you.

  • Thomas Umberg

    Legislator

    Thank you. Others in support, please come forward. Let's turn to the opposition. If you're opposed, I'm told there's no opposition, AB. Oh, here we go.

  • Thomas Umberg

    Legislator

    AB AB 2395.

  • Lauren Wesche

    Person

    Word of the day, I'm a tweener. Okay. So I'm Lauren Weisham with the California Child Support Association. We were opposed to the bill, but we've had a lot of talks with the author's office. We appreciate that with the Washington Center Law and Poverty.

  • Lauren Wesche

    Person

    And with that, we would love to support the bill, but there are just a couple of things that we're still concerned about. First, the bill expands the complaint resolution and state hearing rights in a way that could create a costly and burdensome appeals process over discretionary cope decisions. We believe that the review should be limited to agency inaction or failure to meet timelines, not the merits of an individual comprised decision. And second, and most importantly, the bill does not fully account for pass through.

  • Lauren Wesche

    Person

    The judiciary analysis, focuses on the $100 pass through and currently assisted cases, but most pass through, if not 99% of them, are formally assisted cases that would receive the full amount collected.

  • Lauren Wesche

    Person

    And in those cases, every dollar compromised may be a dollar that otherwise would have gone directly to the custodial parent and child. We share the author's goals and appreciate the amendments made. We just simply believe that there should be, a clear balance and relief for obligors while protecting support that may ultimately pass through to families. Thank you.

  • Thomas Umberg

    Legislator

    Alrighty. Thank you very much. Anyone else who wish to testify on AB 2395? Now's the time. Alright.

  • Thomas Umberg

    Legislator

    Back to you. Well, back to the committee first. Questions by committee members. Question Senator Wieners moved the bill. Senator Wahab has a question.

  • Aisha Wahab

    Legislator

    This is not a question. I just wanna thank you for bringing this bill forward. This is the time when I'm gonna say it on Senate judiciary just for our Chair here. It's always good to have more social workers and educators, you know, introduce bills because they truly, truly do help the most vulnerable community members. So I wanna thank you for bringing this forward and I will be voting aye.

  • Thomas Umberg

    Legislator

    Alrighty. Thank you. Senator Weiner has moved the bill. Any other comments or questions? Seeing none, Assemblymember Sharp Collins, would you like to close?

  • Committee Secretary

    Thank you.

  • Committee Secretary

    I will just keep your eyes short and sweet and just say thank you again to to to our Chair and members, and I respectfully ask for your nine vote.

  • Thomas Umberg

    Legislator

    Thank you very much. Alright. Committee Assistant Porter, please call the roll.

  • Committee Secretary

    This is file item number 50, AB 2,395. The motion is do passed to the Senate Human Services Committee. Umberg? Aye. Umberg, Aye.

  • Committee Secretary

    Nilo?

  • Roger Niello

    Legislator

    No.

  • Committee Secretary

    Nilo, no. Allen? Ashby? Aye. Ashby, Aye.

  • Committee Secretary

    Caballero? Aye. Caballero, Aye. Durazo? Aye.

  • Committee Secretary

    Durazo, Aye. Laird? Aye. Laird, Aye. Reyes?

  • Committee Secretary

    Stern? Valadares? Aye. Aye. Wahab, Aye.

  • Committee Secretary

    Weber Pearson? Aye. Weber Pearson, Aye. Weiner? Aye.

  • Committee Secretary

    Weiner, Aye. Thank you. 8 1.

  • Thomas Umberg

    Legislator

    8 1. Are we missing members? We are? Yeah. Alright.

  • Thomas Umberg

    Legislator

    8 to one. We'll put that on call. Thank you very much. Alright. Now, we're gonna go through what I hope Well, it looks like we're not gonna go through one time, but one time for many of you. So let's go ahead and start at the top with the consent calendar. Miss Porter, let's do this.

  • Unidentified Speaker 004
    ID Pending

    time, but one time for many

  • Thomas Umberg

    Legislator

    of you. So let's go ahead and start at the top with the consent calendar. Miss Porter, let's do this.

  • Unidentified Speaker 003
    ID Pending

    On the consent calendar, Umberg?

  • Committee Secretary
    ID Pending

    Aye. Umberg, Aye. Alan? Aye. Allen, aye. Ashby? Aye. Ashby, aye. Durazo, aye. Reyes. Stern, Wahab, aye. Weber Pearson, aye. 11 to 0.

  • Unidentified Speaker 003
    ID Pending

    Umberg, Aye. Alan? Aye. Allen, aye. Ashby?

  • Unidentified Speaker 003
    ID Pending

    Aye. Ashby, aye. Durazo, aye. Reyes. Stern, Wahab, aye.

  • Unidentified Speaker 003
    ID Pending

    Weber Pearson, aye. 11 to 0.

  • Thomas Umberg

    Legislator

    11 Alright. 11 to 0. We'll put that back on call. Alright. Committee assistant Porter.

  • Thomas Umberg

    Legislator

    Let's go down the roll.

  • Unidentified Speaker 003
    ID Pending

    File item number one, AB 1876. Umberg. Aye. Umberg, Aye. Allen.

  • Unidentified Speaker 004
    ID Pending

    Aye.

  • Unidentified Speaker 003
    ID Pending

    Allen, Aye. Ashby. Ashby, Aye, Durazo. Aye. Durazo, Aye, Reyes, Stern, Valadares.

  • Unidentified Speaker 003
    ID Pending

    Aye. Wahab, Aye, Weber Pearson. Aye. Weber Pearson, Aye. Nine to 1.

  • Thomas Umberg

    Legislator

    9To1. Put that back on call.

  • Unidentified Speaker 003
    ID Pending

    File item number 4AB1857. Ummberg. Aye. Ummberg, Aye. Allen.

  • Unidentified Speaker 003
    ID Pending

    Aye. Allen, aye. Ashby? Aye. Ashby, aye.

  • Unidentified Speaker 003
    ID Pending

    Turasso? Aye. Turasso, aye. Reyes? Stern?

  • Unidentified Speaker 003
    ID Pending

    Valadares? Wahab. Aye. Wahab, Aye. Weber Pearson.

  • Unidentified Speaker 003
    ID Pending

    Aye. Weber Pearson, Aye. Valadares, Aye. 11 to 0.

  • Thomas Umberg

    Legislator

    11 to 0. Put that on call.

  • Unidentified Speaker 003
    ID Pending

    File item number 5, AB 635. Chair not yet having voted, Umberg. Aye. Umberg, aye. Allen?

  • Unidentified Speaker 003
    ID Pending

    Aye. Allen, aye. Ashby? Aye. Ashby, aye.

  • Unidentified Speaker 003
    ID Pending

    Turasso? Aye. Turasso, aye. Reyes? Stern?

  • Unidentified Speaker 003
    ID Pending

    Valadares? No. Valadares, no. Wahab? Aye.

  • Unidentified Speaker 003
    ID Pending

    Wahab, aye. Webber Pearson? Aye. Weber Pearson, aye. 92.

  • Thomas Umberg

    Legislator

    92. Put that on call.

  • Unidentified Speaker 003
    ID Pending

    File item number 7AB412. Umberg. Aye. Umberg, aye. Allen?

  • Unidentified Speaker 003
    ID Pending

    Aye. Allen, aye. Ashby? Aye. Ashby, aye.

  • Unidentified Speaker 003
    ID Pending

    Reyes? Stern? Valadares? Wahab? Aye.

  • Unidentified Speaker 003
    ID Pending

    Wahab, aye. 100?

  • Thomas Umberg

    Legislator

    100? Put that on call.

  • Unidentified Speaker 003
    ID Pending

    File item number 8AB2007. Umberg. Aye. Umberg, Aye, Allen. Aye. Allen, Aye, Ashby. Aye. Ashby, Aye, Caballero. Aye. Caballero, Aye, Laird. Laird, Aye, Reyes, Stern. Valadares. Wahab. Aye. Wahab, Aye. Weber Pearson. Aye. Weber Pearson, Aye. Valadares, Aye. Reyes, Aye. Reyes, Aye. 12 to one. 12. Stern.

  • Thomas Umberg

    Legislator

    Aye.

  • Unidentified Speaker 003
    ID Pending

    Umberg, Aye, Allen. Aye. Allen, Aye, Ashby. Aye. Ashby, Aye, Caballero.

  • Unidentified Speaker 003
    ID Pending

    Aye. Caballero, Aye, Laird. Laird, Aye, Reyes, Stern. Valadares. Wahab.

  • Unidentified Speaker 003
    ID Pending

    Aye. Wahab, Aye. Weber Pearson. Aye. Weber Pearson, Aye.

  • Unidentified Speaker 003
    ID Pending

    Valadares, Aye. Reyes, Aye. Reyes, Aye. 12 to one.

  • Thomas Umberg

    Legislator

    12.

  • Unidentified Speaker 003
    ID Pending

    Stern.

  • Thomas Umberg

    Legislator

    Senator Stern voted?

  • Unidentified Speaker 003
    ID Pending

    No.

  • Thomas Umberg

    Legislator

    Okay. Hold on. It can't be twelve to 1PM. Come on.

  • Unidentified Speaker 005
    ID Pending

    She's gonna Oh.

  • Unidentified Speaker 003
    ID Pending

    Twelve to zero.

  • Thomas Umberg

    Legislator

    I'm sorry.

  • Unidentified Speaker 003
    ID Pending

    Twelve to zero.

  • Thomas Umberg

    Legislator

    Twelve zero. Alright. We'll put that on call.

  • Unidentified Speaker 003
    ID Pending

    File item number nine, AB 2047, Chair voting, aye. Allen? Allen, aye. Ashby? Aye.

  • Unidentified Speaker 003
    ID Pending

    Ashby, aye. Caballero? Aye. Caballero, aye. Durazo?

  • Unidentified Speaker 003
    ID Pending

    Aye. Laird? No. Laird, Aye. Reyes?

  • Unidentified Speaker 003
    ID Pending

    Aye. Reyes, Aye. Stern? Valaderas?

  • Unidentified Speaker 005
    ID Pending

    Valaderas, no.

  • Unidentified Speaker 003
    ID Pending

    Weber Pearson? Aye. Weber Pearson, Aye. 10 to 2.

  • Thomas Umberg

    Legislator

    102. Put that on call.

  • Unidentified Speaker 003
    ID Pending

    File item number 10, AB 2212, Chair voting, aye. Allen? Aye. Allen, aye. Ashby?

  • Unidentified Speaker 003
    ID Pending

    Aye. Ashby, aye. Caballero? Aye. Caballero, aye.

  • Unidentified Speaker 003
    ID Pending

    Layered? Layered, aye. Reyes? Reyes, Aye. Stern?

  • Unidentified Speaker 003
    ID Pending

    Valadares? Valadares, Aye. Weber Pearson? Aye. Weber Pearson, Aye.

  • Unidentified Speaker 003
    ID Pending

    12 to 0.

  • Thomas Umberg

    Legislator

    120. Put that on call.

  • Unidentified Speaker 003
    ID Pending

    File item number 12AB2682. Umberg? Aye. Ummberg, aye. Allen?

  • Unidentified Speaker 003
    ID Pending

    Aye. Allen, aye. Ashby? Aye. Ashby, aye.

  • Unidentified Speaker 003
    ID Pending

    Durazo, aye. Reyes? Aye. Reyes, aye. Stern?

  • Unidentified Speaker 003
    ID Pending

    Valadares? Mohab. Aye. Mohab, Aye. Weber Pearson.

  • Unidentified Speaker 003
    ID Pending

    Aye. Weber Pearson, Aye. 10 to one.

  • Thomas Umberg

    Legislator

    10 to one. Put that on call.

  • Unidentified Speaker 003
    ID Pending

    File item number 13AB2624. Ummberg?

  • Thomas Umberg

    Legislator

    Aye.

  • Unidentified Speaker 003
    ID Pending

    Ummberg, aye. Allen? Aye. Allen, aye. Ashby?

  • Unidentified Speaker 003
    ID Pending

    Aye. Ashby, aye. Reyes? Aye. Reyes, aye.

  • Unidentified Speaker 003
    ID Pending

    Stern? Valadares? No. Valadares, no. Wahab?

  • Unidentified Speaker 003
    ID Pending

    Aye. Wahab, aye. Weber Pearson? Aye. Weber Pearson, aye.

  • Unidentified Speaker 003
    ID Pending

    10 to 2.

  • Thomas Umberg

    Legislator

    10 to 2. Put that on call.

  • Unidentified Speaker 003
    ID Pending

    File item number 14AB2599. Chair voting, aye. Allen?

  • Unidentified Speaker 003
    ID Pending

    Allen, aye. Ashby? Aye. Ashby, aye. Caballero?

  • Unidentified Speaker 006
    ID Pending

    Aye.

  • Unidentified Speaker 003
    ID Pending

    Aye. Caballero, aye. Laird? Aye. Laird, aye.

  • Unidentified Speaker 003
    ID Pending

    Reyes? Aye. Reyes, aye. Stern? Valadares.

  • Unidentified Speaker 003
    ID Pending

    10 to 1.

  • Thomas Umberg

    Legislator

    10 to 1. Put that on call.

  • Unidentified Speaker 003
    ID Pending

    File item number 15AB1650, Umberg. Aye. Umberg, aye. Allen? Aye.

  • Unidentified Speaker 003
    ID Pending

    Allen, aye. Ashby? Aye. Ashby, aye. Reyes?

  • Unidentified Speaker 003
    ID Pending

    Aye. Reyes, aye. Stern? Valadares? No.

  • Unidentified Speaker 003
    ID Pending

    Valadares, no. Wahab? Aye. Wahab, aye. Weber Pearson?

  • Unidentified Speaker 003
    ID Pending

    Aye. Weber Pearson, aye. 10 2.

  • Thomas Umberg

    Legislator

    102. Put that on call.

  • Unidentified Speaker 003
    ID Pending

    File item number 16AB2662. Umberg. Aye. Umberg, Aye. Allen.

  • Unidentified Speaker 003
    ID Pending

    Allen, Aye. Ashby? Aye. Ashby, Aye. Reyes?

  • Unidentified Speaker 003
    ID Pending

    Aye. Reyes, Aye. Stern? Valaderas? Yes.

  • Unidentified Speaker 003
    ID Pending

    Wahab? Aye. Wahab, aye. Weber Pearson? Aye.

  • Unidentified Speaker 003
    ID Pending

    Weber Pearson, aye. 10 to one.

  • Thomas Umberg

    Legislator

    10 to one. Put that on call.

  • Unidentified Speaker 003
    ID Pending

    File item number 17, AB 1892. This needs a motion.

  • Thomas Umberg

    Legislator

    Moved by Senator D'Orazzo?

  • Unidentified Speaker 003
    ID Pending

    Valadares.

  • Thomas Umberg

    Legislator

    Senator Valadares.

  • Unidentified Speaker 003
    ID Pending

    The motion is do pass. Umberg?

  • Thomas Umberg

    Legislator

    Aye.

  • Unidentified Speaker 003
    ID Pending

    Umberg, aye. Nilo? Aye. Nilo, aye. Allen?

  • Unidentified Speaker 003
    ID Pending

    Aye. Allen, aye. Ashby? Aye. Ashby, aye.

  • Unidentified Speaker 003
    ID Pending

    Caballero? Aye. Caballero, aye. Durazo? Durazo, Aye.

  • Unidentified Speaker 003
    ID Pending

    Laird. Aye. Laird, Aye. Reyes? Aye.

  • Unidentified Speaker 003
    ID Pending

    Reyes, Aye. Stern? Valadares? Aye. Valadares, Aye.

  • Unidentified Speaker 003
    ID Pending

    Wahab? Aye. Wahab, Aye. Weber Pearson? Aye.

  • Unidentified Speaker 003
    ID Pending

    Weber Pearson, Aye. Weiner. That's alright. Weiner, Aye. 12 to 0.

  • Thomas Umberg

    Legislator

    120. Put that on call.

  • Unidentified Speaker 003
    ID Pending

    File item number 20AB1770. This needs a motion.

  • Thomas Umberg

    Legislator

    Move by Senator Wahab.

  • Unidentified Speaker 003
    ID Pending

    The motion is do passed to Senate health. Umberg? Aye. Umberg, aye. Nilo?

  • Unidentified Speaker 003
    ID Pending

    No. Nilo, no. Allen?

  • Thomas Umberg

    Legislator

    Aye.

  • Unidentified Speaker 003
    ID Pending

    Allen, aye. Ashby? Aye. Ashby, aye. Caballero?

  • Unidentified Speaker 003
    ID Pending

    Aye. Caballero, aye. Durazo? Aye. Durazo, aye.

  • Unidentified Speaker 003
    ID Pending

    Laird? Laird, Aye. Reyes? No. Reyes, Aye.

  • Unidentified Speaker 003
    ID Pending

    Stern? Valadares? No. Valadares, no. Wahab?

  • Unidentified Speaker 003
    ID Pending

    Aye. Wahab, Aye. Weber Pearson, Aye. Weiner?

  • Unidentified Speaker 003
    ID Pending

    Weiner, Aye. 10 to 2.

  • Thomas Umberg

    Legislator

    Aye.

  • Thomas Umberg

    Legislator

    10 to 2. Put that on call.

  • Unidentified Speaker 003
    ID Pending

    File item number 22AB634. This needs a motion.

  • Thomas Umberg

    Legislator

    Moved by Senator Waha.

  • Unidentified Speaker 003
    ID Pending

    The motion is do passed to the Senate Appropriations Committee. Umberg?

  • Thomas Umberg

    Legislator

    Aye.

  • Unidentified Speaker 003
    ID Pending

    Umberg, Aye. Nilo?

  • Thomas Umberg

    Legislator

    Aye.

  • Unidentified Speaker 003
    ID Pending

    Nilo, Aye. Allen? Aye. Allen, Aye. Ashby?

  • Unidentified Speaker 003
    ID Pending

    Aye. Ashby, Aye. Caballero? Aye. Caballero, Aye.

  • Unidentified Speaker 003
    ID Pending

    Durazo? Durazo? Aye. Durazo, Aye. Laird?

  • Unidentified Speaker 003
    ID Pending

    Aye. Laird, Aye. Reyes? Aye. Reyes, Aye.

  • Unidentified Speaker 003
    ID Pending

    Stern. Valaderas? Aye. Valaderas, Aye. Wahab?

  • Unidentified Speaker 003
    ID Pending

    Wahab, Aye. Weber Pearson? Aye. Weber Pearson, Aye. Weiner?

  • Unidentified Speaker 003
    ID Pending

    Aye. Weiner, Aye. 12 to zero?

  • Thomas Umberg

    Legislator

    Twelve zero. Put it on call.

  • Unidentified Speaker 003
    ID Pending

    File item number 26, AB 121. This needs a motion.

  • Thomas Umberg

    Legislator

    Moved by Senator Wahab.

  • Unidentified Speaker 003
    ID Pending

    The motion is do passed to the Senate Appropriations Committee. Umberg? Aye. Umberg, aye. Nilo?

  • Unidentified Speaker 003
    ID Pending

    No. Nilo, no. Alan? Aye. Alan, aye.

  • Unidentified Speaker 003
    ID Pending

    Ashby? Aye. Ashby, aye. Caballero? Aye.

  • Unidentified Speaker 003
    ID Pending

    Caballero, aye. Turasso? Durazo, Aye. Layered? Layered, Aye.

  • Unidentified Speaker 003
    ID Pending

    Reyes? Reyes, Aye. Stern? Valadares? Valadares, no.

  • Unidentified Speaker 003
    ID Pending

    Wahab? Wahab, Aye. Weber Pearson? Aye. Weber Pearson, Aye.

  • Unidentified Speaker 003
    ID Pending

    Weiner? Aye. Weiner, Aye. 10 2?

  • Thomas Umberg

    Legislator

    10 to 2. Put on call.

  • Unidentified Speaker 003
    ID Pending

    File item number 27, AB 1697. This needs a motion.

  • Thomas Umberg

    Legislator

    Senator Wahab.

  • Unidentified Speaker 003
    ID Pending

    Oh, wow. The motion is do passed to the Senate Appropriations Committee.

  • Thomas Umberg

    Legislator

    One second.

  • Unidentified Speaker 005
    ID Pending

    We don't have bill fees for us, but I'll come talk to you.

  • Thomas Umberg

    Legislator

    Okay. Committee's to Porter. Go ahead and call the roll.

  • Unidentified Speaker 003
    ID Pending

    File item number 27, AB 1697. The motion is to pass to the Senate Appropriations Committee. Umberg? Aye. Umberg, Aye.

  • Unidentified Speaker 003
    ID Pending

    Nilo?

  • Unidentified Speaker 004
    ID Pending

    Aye.

  • Unidentified Speaker 003
    ID Pending

    Nilo, Aye. Allen? Aye. Allen, Aye. Ashby?

  • Unidentified Speaker 003
    ID Pending

    Aye. Ashby, Aye. Caballero? Aye. Caballero, Aye.

  • Unidentified Speaker 003
    ID Pending

    Durazo? Aye. Durazo, Aye. Laird? Aye.

  • Unidentified Speaker 003
    ID Pending

    Laird, Aye. Reyes? Aye. Reyes, Aye. Stern?

  • Unidentified Speaker 003
    ID Pending

    Yes. Valadares? Aye. Walhob?

  • Aisha Wahab

    Legislator

    Aye.

  • Unidentified Speaker 003
    ID Pending

    Waub, aye. Weber Pearson? Aye. Weber Pearson, aye. Weiner?

  • Unidentified Speaker 003
    ID Pending

    Aye. Weiner, aye. 12 to 0?

  • Thomas Umberg

    Legislator

    120, put on call.

  • Unidentified Speaker 003
    ID Pending

    File item number 30AB2782. This needs a motion.

  • Thomas Umberg

    Legislator

    Senator Mohawk moves the bill.

  • Unidentified Speaker 004
    ID Pending

    30? Is that a consent

  • Thomas Umberg

    Legislator

    item? Nope. Nope. Go ahead. Committee of support.

  • Thomas Umberg

    Legislator

    Call the roll.

  • Unidentified Speaker 006
    ID Pending

    Okay. Okay. Okay. I mean,

  • Thomas Umberg

    Legislator

    this is important. Call the roll, please.

  • Unidentified Speaker 003
    ID Pending

    File item number 30AB2782. The motion is do pass. Umberg? Aye. Umberg, Aye.

  • Unidentified Speaker 003
    ID Pending

    Nilo?

  • Unidentified Speaker 004
    ID Pending

    Not really.

  • Unidentified Speaker 003
    ID Pending

    Allen?

  • Thomas Umberg

    Legislator

    Aye.

  • Unidentified Speaker 003
    ID Pending

    Allen, Aye. Ashby? Aye. Ashby, Aye. Caballero?

  • Unidentified Speaker 003
    ID Pending

    Aye. Caballero, Aye. Durazo? Aye. Turazo, Aye.

  • Unidentified Speaker 003
    ID Pending

    Laird? Aye. Laird, Aye. Reyes? Yes, Aye.

  • Unidentified Speaker 003
    ID Pending

    Reyes, Aye. Stern? Valadares? Aye. Wahab?

  • Aisha Wahab

    Legislator

    Aye.

  • Unidentified Speaker 003
    ID Pending

    Wahab, Aye. Weber Pearson? Aye. Weber Pearson, Aye. Weiner?

  • Unidentified Speaker 006
    ID Pending

    Aye.

  • Unidentified Speaker 003
    ID Pending

    Weiner, Aye. 11 to zero?

  • Thomas Umberg

    Legislator

    110. Put on call.

  • Unidentified Speaker 003
    ID Pending

    File item number 31AB2784. This needs a motion.

  • Thomas Umberg

    Legislator

    Moved by Senator Wahab.

  • Unidentified Speaker 003
    ID Pending

    The motion is to pass as amended. Ummberg?

  • Thomas Umberg

    Legislator

    Aye.

  • Unidentified Speaker 003
    ID Pending

    Ummberg, Aye. Nilo?

  • Unidentified Speaker 004
    ID Pending

    Aye.

  • Unidentified Speaker 003
    ID Pending

    Nilo, Aye. Allen? Allen, Aye. Ashby? Ashby, Aye, Caballero.

  • Thomas Umberg

    Legislator

    Somebody else.

  • Unidentified Speaker 003
    ID Pending

    Caballero, Aye, Durazo. Durazo, Aye, Laird. Laird, Aye, Reyes. Reyes, Aye. Stern?

  • Unidentified Speaker 003
    ID Pending

    Valadares? Valadares? Valadares, Aye. Wahab? Aye.

  • Unidentified Speaker 003
    ID Pending

    Wahab, Aye. Weber Pearson? Aye. Weber Pearson, Aye. Weiner?

  • Unidentified Speaker 003
    ID Pending

    Aye. Weiner, Aye. 12 to zero.

  • Thomas Umberg

    Legislator

    120, put on call.

  • Unidentified Speaker 003
    ID Pending

    File item number 32AB1544. This needs a motion. Senator Mohamu's bill. The motion is do passed to the Senate Appropriations Committee. Umberg?

  • Thomas Umberg

    Legislator

    Aye.

  • Unidentified Speaker 003
    ID Pending

    Umberg, aye. Nilo?

  • Unidentified Speaker 004
    ID Pending

    Aye.

  • Unidentified Speaker 003
    ID Pending

    Nilo, aye. Allen? Aye. Allen, aye. Ashby?

  • Unidentified Speaker 003
    ID Pending

    Aye. Ashby, Aye. Caballero? Aye. Caballero?

  • Unidentified Speaker 003
    ID Pending

    Aye. Caballero, Aye. Durazo? Aye. Durazo, Aye.

  • Unidentified Speaker 003
    ID Pending

    Laird? Laird, Aye. Reyes? Aye. Reyes, Aye.

  • Unidentified Speaker 003
    ID Pending

    Stern? Valadares? Aye. Valadares, Aye. Wahab?

  • Unidentified Speaker 003
    ID Pending

    Aye. Wahab, Aye. Weber Pearson? Aye. Weber Pearson, Aye.

  • Unidentified Speaker 003
    ID Pending

    Weiner? Aye. Weiner, Aye. 12 to zero.

  • Thomas Umberg

    Legislator

    Twelve zero, put on call.

  • Unidentified Speaker 003
    ID Pending

    File item number 33, AB 1752. This needs a motion.

  • Thomas Umberg

    Legislator

    Senator Maha moves bill.

  • Unidentified Speaker 003
    ID Pending

    The motion is do passed to the Senate Appropriations Committee. Umberg?

  • Unidentified Speaker 003
    ID Pending

    Umberg, aye.

  • Thomas Umberg

    Legislator

    Aye.

  • Thomas Umberg

    Legislator

    Nilo? 1752.

  • Unidentified Speaker 003
    ID Pending

    Yes. By

  • Thomas Umberg

    Legislator

    Senate. File item 30 three. Aye.

  • Unidentified Speaker 003
    ID Pending

    Nilo, aye. Allen? Allen, aye. Ashby? Aye.

  • Unidentified Speaker 003
    ID Pending

    Ashby, aye. Caballero? No. Caballero, no. Durazo?

  • Unidentified Speaker 003
    ID Pending

    Aye. Durazo, aye. Laird? Laird, aye. Reyes?

  • Unidentified Speaker 003
    ID Pending

    Reyes, Aye. Stern? Valadares? Valadares, Aye. Wahab?

  • Unidentified Speaker 003
    ID Pending

    Wahab, Aye. Weber Pearson? Aye. Weber Pearson, Aye. Weiner?

  • Unidentified Speaker 003
    ID Pending

    Weiner, no. 10 to two?

  • Thomas Umberg

    Legislator

    10 to two. Put on call.

  • Unidentified Speaker 003
    ID Pending

    File item number 36, AB 2235. This needs a motion.

  • Thomas Umberg

    Legislator

    Move the bill. So while I move the bill.

  • Unidentified Speaker 003
    ID Pending

    The motion is do passed to the Senate Public Safety Committee. Umberg?

  • Thomas Umberg

    Legislator

    Aye.

  • Unidentified Speaker 003
    ID Pending

    Umberg, Aye. Nilo?

  • Unidentified Speaker 004
    ID Pending

    Aye.

  • Unidentified Speaker 003
    ID Pending

    Nilo, Aye. Allen? Aye. Allen, Aye. Ashby?

  • Unidentified Speaker 003
    ID Pending

    Aye. Ashby, Aye. Caballero? Aye. Caballero, Aye.

  • Unidentified Speaker 003
    ID Pending

    Durazo? Aye. Durazo, Aye. Layered? Aye.

  • Unidentified Speaker 003
    ID Pending

    Layered, Aye. Reyes? Aye. Reyes, Aye. Stern?

  • Unidentified Speaker 003
    ID Pending

    Valadares?

  • Unidentified Speaker 007
    ID Pending

    Aye.

  • Unidentified Speaker 003
    ID Pending

    Valadares, Aye. Wahab? Aye. Wahab, Aye. Weber Pearson?

  • Unidentified Speaker 003
    ID Pending

    Aye. Weber Pearson, Aye. Weiner? Aye. Weiner, Aye.

  • Unidentified Speaker 003
    ID Pending

    12 to zero.

  • Thomas Umberg

    Legislator

    Bill zero, put on call.

  • Unidentified Speaker 003
    ID Pending

    File item number 40, AB 782. This needs a motion.

  • Thomas Umberg

    Legislator

    Needs a motion. I'm sorry. Who who said it? Senator Reyes moves the bill.

  • Unidentified Speaker 003
    ID Pending

    The motion is do passed to the Senate Housing Committee. Umberg?

  • Thomas Umberg

    Legislator

    Aye.

  • Unidentified Speaker 003
    ID Pending

    Umberg, aye. Nilo?

  • Unidentified Speaker 004
    ID Pending

    No.

  • Unidentified Speaker 003
    ID Pending

    I'm sorry. Nilo? No. Nilo, no. Allen?

  • Unidentified Speaker 003
    ID Pending

    Yes. Allen, Aye. Ashby? Aye. Ashby, Aye.

  • Unidentified Speaker 003
    ID Pending

    Caballero? No. Caballero, no. Durazo? Aye.

  • Unidentified Speaker 003
    ID Pending

    Durazo, Aye. Laird? Aye. Laird, Aye. Reyes?

  • Unidentified Speaker 003
    ID Pending

    Aye. Reyes, Aye. Stern? Valadares? No.

  • Unidentified Speaker 003
    ID Pending

    Wahab, no. Webber Pearson? Aye. Webber Pearson, aye. Weiner?

  • Unidentified Speaker 003
    ID Pending

    No. Weiner, no. Seven to four. 7

  • Thomas Umberg

    Legislator

    to 4. Put that on call. File item

  • Unidentified Speaker 003
    ID Pending

    number 42, AB 2195. This needs a motion.

  • Thomas Umberg

    Legislator

    Moved by Senator

  • Unidentified Speaker 003
    ID Pending

    Wahab. The motion is to pass to the Senate Human Services Committee. Umberg?

  • Thomas Umberg

    Legislator

    Aye.

  • Unidentified Speaker 003
    ID Pending

    Umberg, aye. Nilo? Allen? Aye. Allen, Aye.

  • Unidentified Speaker 003
    ID Pending

    Ashby? Aye. Ashby, Aye. Caballero? Aye.

  • Unidentified Speaker 003
    ID Pending

    Caballero, Aye. Durazo? Aye. Durazo, Aye. Laird?

  • Unidentified Speaker 003
    ID Pending

    Aye. Reyes? Aye. Reyes, Aye. Stern, Aye.

  • Unidentified Speaker 003
    ID Pending

    Wahab. Wahab Aye. Weber Pearson. Weber Pearson Aye. Weiner.

  • Unidentified Speaker 003
    ID Pending

    Weiner Aye.

  • Unidentified Speaker 004
    ID Pending

    Nilo Aye.

  • Unidentified Speaker 003
    ID Pending

    Nilo, Aye. 12 to zero.

  • Thomas Umberg

    Legislator

    12 to zero. The bill is out.

  • Unidentified Speaker 003
    ID Pending

    File item number 43AJR17. This needs a motion.

  • Thomas Umberg

    Legislator

    Move by Senator Senator Reyes.

  • Unidentified Speaker 003
    ID Pending

    The motion is that the resolution be adopted as amended. Ummberg? Aye. Ummberg, Aye. Nilo?

  • Unidentified Speaker 004
    ID Pending

    I'm sorry. What item are we on?

  • Unidentified Speaker 003
    ID Pending

    43. File item 43AJR17.

  • Thomas Umberg

    Legislator

    Not voting.

  • Unidentified Speaker 003
    ID Pending

    Allen?

  • Thomas Umberg

    Legislator

    Aye.

  • Unidentified Speaker 003
    ID Pending

    Allen, Aye. Ashby? Aye. Ashby, Aye. Caballero?

  • Unidentified Speaker 003
    ID Pending

    Aye. Caballero, Aye. Durazo? Aye. Durazo, Aye.

  • Unidentified Speaker 003
    ID Pending

    Laird? Aye. Laird, Aye. Reyes? Reyes, Aye.

  • Unidentified Speaker 003
    ID Pending

    Stern? Stern, Aye. Valadares? Aye. Mohab?

  • Unidentified Speaker 003
    ID Pending

    Aye. Mohab, Aye. Weber Pearson, Aye. Weiner? Aye.

  • Unidentified Speaker 003
    ID Pending

    Aye. Weiner, aye. 11 to zero?

  • Thomas Umberg

    Legislator

    Eleven zero. The resolution is adopted.

  • Unidentified Speaker 003
    ID Pending

    File item number 45AB928. Chair voting, aye. Allen? Ashby? Not voting.

  • Unidentified Speaker 003
    ID Pending

    Caballero? Aye. Caballero, aye. Durazo? No.

  • Unidentified Speaker 003
    ID Pending

    Laird? Laird, Reyes. Stern. Aye. Stern, aye.

  • Unidentified Speaker 003
    ID Pending

    Valadares. 8 to 0.

  • Thomas Umberg

    Legislator

    80. Bill is out.

  • Unidentified Speaker 003
    ID Pending

    File item number 46AB1622, Umberg.

  • Thomas Umberg

    Legislator

    Aye.

  • Unidentified Speaker 003
    ID Pending

    Umberg, aye. Allen? Allen, Aye. Ashby? Aye.

  • Unidentified Speaker 003
    ID Pending

    Ashby, Aye. Durazo? Aye. Durazo, Aye. Reyes?

  • Unidentified Speaker 003
    ID Pending

    Aye. Reyes, Aye. Stern?

  • Thomas Umberg

    Legislator

    Aye.

  • Unidentified Speaker 003
    ID Pending

    Stern, Aye. Wahab? Aye. Wahab, Aye. Weber Pearson?

  • Unidentified Speaker 003
    ID Pending

    Aye. Weber Pearson, Aye. 13 to zero.

  • Thomas Umberg

    Legislator

    Thirteen zero bills out.

  • Unidentified Speaker 003
    ID Pending

    File item number 47, AB 2439 needs a motion.

  • Thomas Umberg

    Legislator

    Moved. So now, I move this bill.

  • Unidentified Speaker 003
    ID Pending

    The motion is to pass as amended. Umberg? Aye. Umberg, Aye, Nilo?

  • Unidentified Speaker 004
    ID Pending

    Not voting.

  • Unidentified Speaker 003
    ID Pending

    Laird, Aye. Reyes. Aye. Reyes, Aye. Stern.

  • Unidentified Speaker 003
    ID Pending

    Aye. Stern, Aye. Valadares. Wahab. Aye.

  • Unidentified Speaker 003
    ID Pending

    Wahab, Aye. Weber Pearson. 10 to zero.

  • Thomas Umberg

    Legislator

    10 to zero. Bill's out.

  • Unidentified Speaker 003
    ID Pending

    File item number 48AB1660. This needs a motion. Move the bill.

  • Thomas Umberg

    Legislator

    Mister Waha moves.

  • Unidentified Speaker 003
    ID Pending

    The motion is do passes amended. Umberg? Aye. Umberg, Aye. Nilo?

  • Unidentified Speaker 003
    ID Pending

    Aye. Nilo, Aye. Allen?

  • Thomas Umberg

    Legislator

    Aye.

  • Unidentified Speaker 003
    ID Pending

    Allen, Aye. Ashby? Ashby, Aye. Caballero? Aye.

  • Unidentified Speaker 003
    ID Pending

    Caballero, Aye. Durazo? Aye. Durazo, Aye. Laird?

  • Unidentified Speaker 003
    ID Pending

    Aye. Reyes? Reyes, Aye. Stern? Stern, Aye.

  • Unidentified Speaker 003
    ID Pending

    Valadares? Wahab? Wahab, Aye. Weber Pearson? Aye.

  • Unidentified Speaker 003
    ID Pending

    Weber Pearson, aye. Weiner? Weiner. Weiner, aye. 12 to 0.

  • Thomas Umberg

    Legislator

    120. Bill's out.

  • Unidentified Speaker 003
    ID Pending

    File item number 5050, AB 2395. Chair voting, aye. Allen? Aye. Allen, aye.

  • Unidentified Speaker 003
    ID Pending

    Reyes? Reyes, aye. Stern? Aye. Stern, Aye.

  • Unidentified Speaker 003
    ID Pending

    Valadares. 1121.

  • Thomas Umberg

    Legislator

    1101. Bill's out.

  • Unidentified Speaker 003
    ID Pending

    File item number 51, AB 1684. This needs a motion.

  • Thomas Umberg

    Legislator

    Senator Hot Moose.

  • Unidentified Speaker 003
    ID Pending

    The motion is to pass. Umberg? Aye. Umberg, aye. Nilo?

  • Unidentified Speaker 004
    ID Pending

    Aye.

  • Unidentified Speaker 003
    ID Pending

    Nilo, aye. Allen? Aye. Allen, aye. Ashby?

  • Unidentified Speaker 003
    ID Pending

    Aye. Ashby, aye. Caballero, aye. Durazo? Aye.

  • Unidentified Speaker 003
    ID Pending

    Durazo, aye. Laird? Valadares, aye. Wahab. Aye.

  • Unidentified Speaker 003
    ID Pending

    Wahab, aye. Weber Pearson.

  • Thomas Umberg

    Legislator

    Chair.

  • Unidentified Speaker 003
    ID Pending

    Weber Pearson, aye. Weiner. Weiner, aye. 13 to zero.

  • Thomas Umberg

    Legislator

    13 to zero. Bill's out.

  • Unidentified Speaker 003
    ID Pending

    File item number 52, AB 2023. Chair voting, aye. Allen? Aye. Allen, aye.

  • Unidentified Speaker 003
    ID Pending

    Ashby? Aye. Ashby, aye. Caballero? Aye.

  • Unidentified Speaker 003
    ID Pending

    Caballero, Aye. Durazo? Duresso, Aye. Laird? No.

  • Unidentified Speaker 003
    ID Pending

    I did. Laird, Aye. Reyes?

  • Thomas Umberg

    Legislator

    Reyes? Reyes,

  • Unidentified Speaker 003
    ID Pending

    Aye. Reyes, Aye. Stern? Stern, Aye. Valadares, aye.

  • Unidentified Speaker 003
    ID Pending

    Weber Pearson? Aye. Weber Pearson, aye. 13 to zero?

  • Thomas Umberg

    Legislator

    13 to zero. Bill is out.

  • Unidentified Speaker 003
    ID Pending

    File item number 53, AB 1930. Chair voting, aye. Allen? Aye. Allen, aye.

  • Unidentified Speaker 003
    ID Pending

    Ashby? Aye. Ashby, aye. Caballero? Aye.

  • Unidentified Speaker 003
    ID Pending

    Caballero, aye. Laird? Aye. Laird, aye. Reyes?

  • Unidentified Speaker 003
    ID Pending

    Aye. Reyes, Aye. Stern?

  • Thomas Umberg

    Legislator

    Aye.

  • Unidentified Speaker 003
    ID Pending

    Stern, Aye. Baladares? Baladares, no. Weiner? Aye.

  • Unidentified Speaker 003
    ID Pending

    Weiner, Aye. 11 to two.

  • Thomas Umberg

    Legislator

    Eleven two, bills out.

  • Unidentified Speaker 003
    ID Pending

    File item number 50 four, AB 2039, Chair voting aye. Caballero? Aye. Caballero, aye. Reyes?

  • Unidentified Speaker 003
    ID Pending

    Aye. Reyes, aye. Stern?

  • Unidentified Speaker 003
    ID Pending

    Stern, Aye. Valadares. Aye. Valadares, Aye. Weiner, Aye.

  • Thomas Umberg

    Legislator

    Aye.

  • Unidentified Speaker 003
    ID Pending

    13 to zero.

  • Thomas Umberg

    Legislator

    I'm sorry.

  • Unidentified Speaker 003
    ID Pending

    1320?

  • Thomas Umberg

    Legislator

    130 bill is out. Alright. Here we go. So we have to finish the hearing, and then turn to the informational hearing. In order to finish the hearing, we're gonna go through the role one time and one time only, and that'll be it.

  • Thomas Umberg

    Legislator

    So and I know you all must stick around for the informational hearing. So k.

  • Unidentified Speaker 004
    ID Pending

    No. We don't. We will.

  • Thomas Umberg

    Legislator

    Well, Senator Niello is gonna stick around. So good for you. Alright. Let's go let's go through one final last complete time. Committee assistant Porter, are you ready?

  • Thomas Umberg

    Legislator

    Okay.

  • Unidentified Speaker 003
    ID Pending

    On the consent calendar We're

  • Thomas Umberg

    Legislator

    gonna go through the whole thing.

  • Unidentified Speaker 003
    ID Pending

    On the consent calendar, Chair voting aye. Reyes? Aye. Reyes, aye. Stern?

  • Unidentified Speaker 003
    ID Pending

    Stern, aye. 13 to zero.

  • Unidentified Speaker 006
    ID Pending

    Aye.

  • Thomas Umberg

    Legislator

    Thirteen zero. Consent calendar is adopted.

  • Unidentified Speaker 003
    ID Pending

    File item number one, AB 1876. Chair voting, aye. Reyes? Reyes, aye. Stern?

  • Unidentified Speaker 003
    ID Pending

    Stern, aye. Valadares? 11 to one.

  • Thomas Umberg

    Legislator

    11 to one. Bill is out.

  • Unidentified Speaker 003
    ID Pending

    File item number four, AB 1857. Chair voting, aye. Reyes? Aye. Reyes, aye.

  • Unidentified Speaker 003
    ID Pending

    Stern? Aye. Stern, aye. 13 to zero.

  • Thomas Umberg

    Legislator

    130, bills out.

  • Unidentified Speaker 003
    ID Pending

    File item number five, AB 635, Chair voting aye. Reyes?

  • Unidentified Speaker 006
    ID Pending

    Aye.

  • Unidentified Speaker 003
    ID Pending

    Reyes, aye. Stern?

  • Thomas Umberg

    Legislator

    Good soldier. Aye.

  • Unidentified Speaker 003
    ID Pending

    Stern,

  • Unidentified Speaker 006
    ID Pending

    Aye.

  • Unidentified Speaker 003
    ID Pending

    11 to two.

  • Thomas Umberg

    Legislator

    11 to two. Bill's

  • Unidentified Speaker 003
    ID Pending

    out. File item number seven, AB 412, Chair voting, Aye. Reyes? Aye. Reyes, aye.

  • Unidentified Speaker 003
    ID Pending

    Stern?

  • Unidentified Speaker 004
    ID Pending

    Aye.

  • Unidentified Speaker 003
    ID Pending

    Stern, aye. Valadares? 12 to zero?

  • Thomas Umberg

    Legislator

    120, bills out.

  • Unidentified Speaker 003
    ID Pending

    File item number eight, AB 2,007. Chair voting, aye. Stern?

  • Unidentified Speaker 003
    ID Pending

    Stern, aye. 13 to zero.

  • Thomas Umberg

    Legislator

    Aye.

  • Thomas Umberg

    Legislator

    Thirteen zero bills out.

  • Unidentified Speaker 003
    ID Pending

    File item number nine, AB 2047, Chair voting aye. Stern. Aye. Stern, aye. 11 to two.

  • Thomas Umberg

    Legislator

    11 to two, bill is out.

  • Unidentified Speaker 003
    ID Pending

    File item number 10, AB 2212, Chair voting aye. Stern. Aye. Stern, aye. 13 to zero.

  • Thomas Umberg

    Legislator

    130, bill's out.

  • Unidentified Speaker 003
    ID Pending

    File item number 12AB2682, Chair voting aye. Stern?

  • Thomas Umberg

    Legislator

    Aye.

  • Unidentified Speaker 003
    ID Pending

    Stern, aye. Voladares. 11 to one.

  • Thomas Umberg

    Legislator

    11 to one. Bill's out.

  • Unidentified Speaker 003
    ID Pending

    File item number 13, AB 2624, Chair voting aye, stern. Aye. Stern, aye. 11 to two.

  • Thomas Umberg

    Legislator

    Vowel two, bills out.

  • Unidentified Speaker 003
    ID Pending

    File item number 14, AB 2599, Chair voting aye. Stern? Aye. Stern, aye. Valadares.

  • Unidentified Speaker 003
    ID Pending

    11 to one.

  • Thomas Umberg

    Legislator

    11 to one, bills out.

  • Unidentified Speaker 003
    ID Pending

    File item number 15, a B1650. Chair voting, aye. Stern.

  • Thomas Umberg

    Legislator

    Aye.

  • Unidentified Speaker 003
    ID Pending

    Stern, aye. 11 to two.

  • Thomas Umberg

    Legislator

    11 to

  • Unidentified Speaker 003
    ID Pending

    two bills out. File item number 16, AB 2662. Chair voting, Aye. Stern.

  • Thomas Umberg

    Legislator

    Aye.

  • Unidentified Speaker 003
    ID Pending

    Stern, Aye. Valadares. 11 to one.

  • Thomas Umberg

    Legislator

    11 to one. Bill is out.

  • Unidentified Speaker 003
    ID Pending

    File item number 17, AB 1892, Chair voting, Aye. Stern. I see. Stern, Aye. 13 to zero.

  • Thomas Umberg

    Legislator

    I'm sorry.

  • Unidentified Speaker 003
    ID Pending

    13 to zero.

  • Thomas Umberg

    Legislator

    Thirteen zero bills out.

  • Unidentified Speaker 003
    ID Pending

    File item number 20AB1770, Chair voting aye. Stern.

  • Thomas Umberg

    Legislator

    Aye.

  • Unidentified Speaker 003
    ID Pending

    Stern, aye. 11 to 2.

  • Thomas Umberg

    Legislator

    112, bills out.

  • Unidentified Speaker 003
    ID Pending

    File item number 22AB634, Chair voting aye. Stern. K. Stern, aye. 13 to zero.

  • Thomas Umberg

    Legislator

    Thirteen zero, bills out.

  • Unidentified Speaker 003
    ID Pending

    File item number 26, AB 12 O1, Chair voting, Aye. Stern. Aye. Stern, Aye. 11 to two.

  • Thomas Umberg

    Legislator

    11 to two. Bill is out.

  • Unidentified Speaker 003
    ID Pending

    File item number 27AB1697. Chair voting, aye. Stern? Aye. Stern, aye.

  • Unidentified Speaker 003
    ID Pending

    13 to zero.

  • Thomas Umberg

    Legislator

    13 to zero. Bill is out.

  • Unidentified Speaker 003
    ID Pending

    File item number 30AB2782. Chair voting, aye. Milo Stern. Aye. Stern, aye.

  • Unidentified Speaker 003
    ID Pending

    12 to zero.

  • Thomas Umberg

    Legislator

    120. Bill's out.

  • Unidentified Speaker 003
    ID Pending

    File item 31, AB 2784, Chair voting, aye. Stern. Aye. Stern, aye. 13 to zero.

  • Thomas Umberg

    Legislator

    Thirteen zero. Bill's out.

  • Unidentified Speaker 003
    ID Pending

    File item 32, AB 1544, Chair voting aye. Stern. Aye. Stern, aye. 13 to zero.

  • Thomas Umberg

    Legislator

    13 to zero. Bill's out.

  • Unidentified Speaker 003
    ID Pending

    File item 33, AB 1752, Chair voting aye.

  • Unidentified Speaker 003
    ID Pending

    Stern. Aye. Stern, aye. 11 to two.

  • Thomas Umberg

    Legislator

    Hold on.

  • Thomas Umberg

    Legislator

    11 to two, bill is out.

  • Unidentified Speaker 003
    ID Pending

    File item number 36, AB 2235, Chair voting aye. Stern. Aye. Stern, aye. 13 to zero.

  • Thomas Umberg

    Legislator

    13 to zero, bill is out.

  • Unidentified Speaker 003
    ID Pending

    File item 40, AB 782, Chair voting aye. Stern. Aye. Stern, aye. Voladares.

  • Unidentified Speaker 003
    ID Pending

    File item 42, AB 2195, Chair voting aye. Valadares. Oh, we already did that one. I'm sorry. That one's out.

  • Unidentified Speaker 003
    ID Pending

    I think we're done now.

  • Thomas Umberg

    Legislator

    Well, I'll mess this in forty one. Just check for a second.

  • Unidentified Speaker 003
    ID Pending

    Yes.

  • Thomas Umberg

    Legislator

    Alright. Then we are adjourned until the June 30 09:30AM. At which time we will commence at 09:30AM. Good work by staff and committee. Oh.

  • Thomas Umberg

    Legislator

    Oh. Oh. Give me a supporter. One second.

  • Thomas Umberg

    Legislator

    Oh. Oh. Give me a supporter. One second.

  • Thomas Umberg

    Legislator

    Just to be clear just to be clear, file item number 45 B928. Okay. File Number 45. AB 828 by 928 h, my gosh. By Assembly member Rogers. Eight to zero. The bill is out. Okay.

  • Thomas Umberg

    Legislator

    Alright. We are adjourned till ninth AM on June 30, next Tuesday, and I invite you all to return. So Alright. Now, we're going to commence an informational hearing on SB 623.

  • Roger Niello

    Legislator

    And I am pressed back into service as Chair, casting caution to the wind. So having concluded our bill hearing today, we are new move now moving to an informational hearing on SB 623 by Senator Umberg, Umberg. This informational hearing will be run just like a regular bill hearing. Senator Umberg will present. There will be two support witnesses, who have two minutes each to speak.

  • Roger Niello

    Legislator

    We will hear from any Me Too support witnesses, and then we will, do the same thing for any opposition to the bill. Members will then have an opportunity to make comments. You'll see we have, members clamoring to hear this. The, since this is an informational hearing, there will be no vote on the bill today. After the informational hearing ends, our business for the day will be concluded.

  • Roger Niello

    Legislator

    We'll be serving, dinner and drinks for everybody. Oh, no. That's not on the Senator Umberg is the Kunen fort Fahren.

  • Thomas Umberg

    Legislator

    Thank you. Grazie. Chair Nielo. Alright. And I appreciate, Chair Nielo's ask that that those who testify give a complete history of Uber starting from the beginning, as well as the California the consumer attorneys at California.

  • Thomas Umberg

    Legislator

    You are out of order. Right. Alright. So I am I'm quite pleased to present SB 623, which is the product of a negotiation between various stakeholders to arrive at a product that creates a system that's safe, fair, and accountable by protecting patients from unnecessary treatment or getting overcharged, ensuring access to medical care and legal representation, and strengthens TNC safety measures, transportation network industry safety measures.

  • Thomas Umberg

    Legislator

    For accidents occurring on or after 01/01/2027, if a plaintiff receives treatment from a lien based medical provider, the plaintiff generally cannot recover more than the seventieth percentile as shown in the Fair Health database for that particular service in that geographic area.

  • Thomas Umberg

    Legislator

    Charges above that amount cannot be collected. However, the court can approve a higher amount if plaintiff can show by clear and convincing evidence that the treatment was exceptionally rare or highly specialized and no reasonable reasonably comparable provider services available. Requires standardized itemization of all lien based medical bills. If a lien based care provider sells their lien to a third party, the maximum amount that the third party can recover is the consideration paid by the third party to the lien based provider for the assignment.

  • Thomas Umberg

    Legislator

    Makes it unlawful for an attorney representing a person under a contingency fee agreement to refer the client to a health care provider in which the attorney or family member has a direct ownership interest.

  • Thomas Umberg

    Legislator

    Makes it unlawful for an attorney to receive a kickback or fee split for referring a client to a lien based provider or provide bonuses or incentives for referring a client to a lien based provider, prohibits attorneys from charging an additional contingency fee, administrative fee, management fee, or similar fee based on reducing or resolving a client's medical lien. It also requires an additional excuse me. It requires an initial background check before activating a ride to your driver and annual background check thereafter.

  • Thomas Umberg

    Legislator

    As additional crimes like violating a restraining order or additional, issues like violating a restraining order and child abuse to the list of crimes that disqualifies a potential TNC rideshare driver. Lastly, it also expressly allows women drivers to request women passengers only and women passengers to request women drivers only.

  • Thomas Umberg

    Legislator

    With me to testify in regard to SB 623 on behalf of the Consumer Attorneys of California is former army captain, a veteran of eighty second airborne, Doug Seltzer, as well as, Ramona Prieto from Uber. So without further ado Proceed when ready.

  • Doug Seltzer

    Person

    Chair and members, thank you. My name is Doug Seltzer, and I'm here as president and on behalf of Consumer Attorneys of California, a proud sponsor of SB 623. ThiS Bill represents a joint agreement between CAOC and Uber that protects patients and makes Californians safer. The bill does two things that relate to ride shares. First, SB 623 offers safety protections.

  • Doug Seltzer

    Person

    The bill adopts a clear statutory authorization for women's rider and driver preferences. SB 623 also expands background checks and requires annual rescreening for drivers. Second, when someone is injured in a crash, they often require emergency or specialized care. Providers often treat these patients without requiring payment upfront, recovering later from any settlement or judgment. That is called a medical lien.

  • Doug Seltzer

    Person

    The access to care matters, especially for people who can't pay out of pocket. At times, however, those Lien based bills come in far above the ordinary cost of the same care, and it's the injured person who pays. The fact those bills are now being sold on a secondary market makes this problem worse. Private equity and hedge funds buy them at a steep discount, then turn around and collect the full inflated amount. That's money flowing to Wall Street and not patients.

  • Doug Seltzer

    Person

    SB 623 stops that. It anchors lean recovery to fair health, an independent, nationally trusted database of what providers charge. This bill caps recovery at the seventieth percentile, a ceiling that still still sits high enough so those vulnerable patients keep access to care, and no patient can ever be held personally liable for amounts above what is allowed in court. We appreciate the opportunity to bring this bill forward on an expedited basis and respectfully ask for support.

  • Thomas Umberg

    Legislator

    Thank you. Also, Ramona Prieto on behalf of Uber.

  • Ramona Prieto

    Person

    Great. Thank you, Chair Nielo and members, especially following the day you guys have had today. We really appreciate the time. My name is Ramona Prieto, and I lead the public policy team at Uber. I'm here today proudly supporting SB 623.

  • Ramona Prieto

    Person

    Namely, it addresses a problem that has grown increasingly common in the medical lien space. While medical liens can help facilitate treatment following an accident, the current system can also produce charges that bear little relationship to what is typically billed for the same care. When that happens, injured people ultimately bear the cost of a system that lacks consistent standards and transparency.

  • Ramona Prieto

    Person

    SB 623 establishes an objective benchmark for lean based medical charges using Fair Health, a nationally recognized and independent database that reflects what providers actually charge for similar services, creating a clear and predictable standard while preserving the flexibility for extraordinary circumstances. The bill further addresses the growing practice of selling and financing medical Liens by tying recoverable amounts to the actual economics and requiring disclosure of Lien transfers.

  • Ramona Prieto

    Person

    SB623 helps ensure that financial arrangements are transparent and that more of the injured person's recovery remains with the injured patient. In addition, SB 623 contains important ethics provisions that prohibit conflicts of interest and undisclosed financial relationships in connection with Lien based treatment. Finally, the bill includes meaningful safety investments for drivers and riders. It deepens background checks and provides clear statutory authorization for women rider and driver preference features as Senator Umberg walked through at the top of this.

  • Ramona Prieto

    Person

    This is a balanced reform focused on transparency, consumer protections, accountability, and safety.

  • Ramona Prieto

    Person

    It establishes clear rules, protects injured Californians from inflated charges, and brings greater confidence to a system that affects thousands of Californians every year. For those reasons, we respectfully ask for your aye vote.

  • Thomas Umberg

    Legislator

    Alrighty. Thank you. Also, here today is, miss Leanne Tratton with CAOC and Scott Jalowick, with Uber to answer technical questions.

  • Roger Niello

    Legislator

    And the opposition? Oh, excuse me. That's right. First of all, Me too support. Sorry about that.

  • Roger Niello

    Legislator

    I'm really not trying to raise their conclusion. It's only 05:00.

  • Unidentified Speaker 007

    Thank you, Mister Chair and members. Annalie Augustine with the Civil Justice Association of California. Pleased to support and hope this is the first step to broader reform in the future too.

  • Roger Niello

    Legislator

    Anyone else in support? Seeing none come forward, now we will move to the opposition. Principal witnesses in opposition, seeing no one come to the microphone. Any others here in opposition also seeing no one come to the microphone. Bring it back to our committee.

  • Roger Niello

    Legislator

    Are there any questions or comments?

  • Thomas Umberg

    Legislator

    Good work. Good work.

  • Roger Niello

    Legislator

    Well, Senator Humbert, we appear to be Well, I'm like, close.

  • Thomas Umberg

    Legislator

    Thank you very much. I'd said earlier today that, being in politics, I credit take credit for all sorts of things, including the sunrising. Can't take credit for this, though. I'm merely a rider on the bus that the stakeholders did an amazing job over the course of the last several months coming to an agreement that is fair for Californians, protects Californians, and ensures their safety. With that, I'll ask for an aye vote.

  • Thomas Umberg

    Legislator

    Well, actually, I won't ask for an aye vote. I will ask for all of you to be so informed. That's what I would ask.

  • Roger Niello

    Legislator

    Okay? And so And and I refuse, to, call for a roll call. Alright. So it appears that now we are at a conclusion. The dinner and drinks will be coming shortly.

  • Roger Niello

    Legislator

    You all wait here for them. I'm leaving. This meeting is adjourned.

  • Thomas Umberg

    Legislator

    Thank you, sir. Halo. Alright. Thank you all. Alright.

  • Thomas Umberg

    Legislator

    Dang it. Thanks. Oh. Yeah. There you go.

  • Thomas Umberg

    Legislator

    There it is. Now it's done.