Hearings

Assembly Standing Committee on Judiciary

June 23, 2026
  • Ash Kalra

    Legislator

    So, Chair, welcome. Let me go ahead and get go ahead and take a seat. Let me get this meeting started. Welcome to Assembly Judiciary Committee. In order for us to complete our agenda, allow everyone equal time.

  • Ash Kalra

    Legislator

    The rule for witness testimony are that each side will be allowed two main witnesses each. Witnesses will have approximately two minutes to testify in support of our opposition to the bill. Additional witnesses state only their names, organization, if any, in their position on the bill. We don't have quorum, but we will proceed as a subcommittee. And, Senator Umberg, whenever you're ready.

  • Thomas Umberg

    Legislator

    Well, thank you, Mister Chair and member. I have a very simple bill before you today, s p 46. I appreciate the help of Mister Lidecki in making sure that this bill is up to snuff. Senate bill 46 amends the California Elections Code to ensure that the California Secretary of State has the legal authority to remove, constitutionally ineligible candidates for president and vice president from California's primary and general election ballot.

  • Thomas Umberg

    Legislator

    What it does in sum is make sure that somebody who's already served two terms as president of The United States may not appear on the California ballot if that same person wishes to serve a third term. That's it, Mister Chair. Urge an aye vote.

  • Ash Kalra

    Legislator

    Alright. Thank you. Is there anyone else here in support of SB 46? Is there anyone here? Oh, alright. You know? A very a very dramatic very, very dramatic approach.

  • Terry Brennan

    Person

    Yeah. Lisa didn't fall. But, Mister chairman, members, Terry Brennan, on behalf of SEIU California representing over 750,000 California voters who support protecting the constitution and democracy. Thank you.

  • Ash Kalra

    Legislator

    Thank you. Is there anyone here in opposition to SP 46? Alright. I'll bring it back to committee. Any questions or comments?

  • Diane Dixon

    Legislator

    I'll just again, interested in asking a question. If this is in the constitution, need seventh amendment or 20 why is this necessary?

  • Thomas Umberg

    Legislator

    That's a great question. And most of us who had fifth grade civics understand the import of that question. But there there's at least one person in The United States supported by others who believe that that he can serve a third term. And so when the president says, I may seek a third term and those around him encourage him to do so, I actually believe him. So, thus, the need for the bill.

  • Diane Dixon

    Legislator

    And I don't believe him. I do. I said it or I respect what you're doing, but I don't think I could support it. But Alright.

  • Ash Kalra

    Legislator

    Thank you. Well, thank thank you, Senator. Yeah. I I and and whether, you know, we believe him or not is I I think this is another example of a piece of legislation that we wish we wouldn't have to do have to do, but these are unusual times. And I think we're we're doing things that are out of the ordinary for that reason. And so I appreciate you for bringing this forward. Would you like to close?

  • Thomas Umberg

    Legislator

    Thank you, Mister Chair. Thank you, Mister Leike, for your assistance and I urge an aye vote.

  • Ash Kalra

    Legislator

    Thank you. We'll take that up when we get a chance, and hopefully we'll get more senators in here. Item six, SB 1078. See what happens when you get here at a relatively early time? Yeah.

  • Ash Kalra

    Legislator

    That's right. Baking up for last week. So layered, SB 1078, whenever you're ready. Thank you

  • John Laird

    Legislator

    very much.

  • Ash Kalra

    Legislator

    Oh, yeah. Hold on. There we go. Yeah.

  • John Laird

    Legislator

    There we are. Thank you very much, Mister Chair. I'm in three simultaneous Senate hearings, so I couldn't believe I was getting yanked out of one already. Senate bill 1078 requires a copy of a court filing to be sent to the director of civil rights department if the matter involves a violation of civil rights laws that fall under the civil rights department.

  • John Laird

    Legislator

    This ensures that the director of that department, the institutional centerpiece of California's broad anti discrimination and hate policy is made aware of any alleged violation of any civil rights in the cases that may affect interpretation or enforcement of the state laws. The civil rights department is the state's primary civil rights enforcement agency. However, current law only requires this notice be sent to the attorney general. The bill has no registered opposition. I ask for an aye vote.

  • Ash Kalra

    Legislator

    Thank you. Is there anyone here in support of SB 1078? Anyone here in opposition to SB 1078? We'll bring it back to our committee member. Any questions or comments?

  • Ash Kalra

    Legislator

    Okay. As you can see, we do not have quorum, so we can't take it up for a vote yet. But thank you for bringing us both forward. Would you like to close?

  • John Laird

    Legislator

    At the appropriate time, I respectfully ask for an aye vote.

  • Ash Kalra

    Legislator

    Thank you. Thank you, sir. Thank you. Alright. Sorry. Are you are you ready for your?

  • Catherine Blakespear

    Legislator

    Yeah. I need my

  • Ash Kalra

    Legislator

    notes. Okay. Okay. Alright. So we have item four, s B989, Senator Blakespear. Whenever you're ready.

  • Catherine Blakespear

    Legislator

    Okay. Excellent. Thank you. I'm happy to be able to jump to the front of the queue. Thank thank you for calling.

  • Ash Kalra

    Legislator

    That's why, telcos get here. You get here early. You never know.

  • Catherine Blakespear

    Legislator

    That's right. Early bird gets the worm. I'm pleased to author SB 989, which is sponsored by the California Professional Firefighters. This bill would expand access to Care Court and help more Californians with schizophrenia spectrum and other psychotic disorders receive the care they need. Care Court was created to provide a structured coordinated pathway to treatment for individuals with severe mental illness who are too often cycling through emergency rooms, jail, and repeated law enforcement encounters.

  • Catherine Blakespear

    Legislator

    While early implementation shows promise, barriers in the current petition process are preventing the program from reaching many of the individuals it was designed to serve. Through 06/30/2024, there were 557 petitions filed to care court statewide. Of those, 217 were dismissed, and only a 100 individuals, just eighteen percent, ultimately developed treatment and housing plans. It's a very small number, eighteen percent. Today, first responders are often the first point of contact for individuals in crisis.

  • Catherine Blakespear

    Legislator

    But under current law, they must navigate a complex court filing process, obtain sensitive medical records, and appear in court to initiate a care petition. As a result, many individuals who would benefit from care court are never connected to the program. SB 989 creates a more practical and effective pathway by allowing first responders to request that county behavioral health agencies review and file care petitions on their behalf.

  • Catherine Blakespear

    Legislator

    Counties are required to assess these requests within thirty business days and determine whether to file a petition when eligibility criteria are met or are likely to be met. Finally, the bill directs the Department of Health Care Services to develop a standardized referral form to provide guidance to first responders and to establish data reporting requirements to improve transparency and program performance.

  • Catherine Blakespear

    Legislator

    This approach reduces administrative barriers, better aligns responsibilities with expertise, and ensures that individuals in crisis are connected to care and not lost in the system. SB 989 builds on the promise of care court by making it more accessible, more accountable, and more effective.

  • Catherine Blakespear

    Legislator

    With me today in support to testify, I have Meagan Subers on behalf of the California Professional Firefighters Association.

  • Ash Kalra

    Legislator

    Thank you.

  • Meagan Subers

    Person

    Thank you, Mister Chair and member Meagan Subers on behalf of the California Professional Firefighters and pleased to be the sponsor of SB 989. CPF and our local affiliates have been leading and evolving the local response framework to improve patient care and outcomes for individuals who are experiencing mental health crisis. We've worked with this legislature to expand programs like community paramedicine and mobile mental health units, and our members are committed to this work.

  • Meagan Subers

    Person

    What I hear again and again is that they are too often running 911 calls on individuals who they know may not get the deeper level of treatment that they need, and they will likely have to respond to that individual again soon. We see care as another tool for firefighters and first responders who have had repeated interactions with someone to try to connect them to the services that they need through this process if they are eligible.

  • Meagan Subers

    Person

    I've been fortunate enough to sit on the eight on the, Care Act advisory working group at HHS with one of my local presidents from the city of San Jose. And through that work, we've learned a lot about implementation across the state. We have good examples of cities and counties working with their fire departments in Alameda City, Alameda County, San Diego, integrating them into care act implementation, but we have other examples across the state where there is a little bit of a disconnect.

  • Meagan Subers

    Person

    The process of filing a petition as a first responder can be complicated. There is in-depth medical history information that's required as part of the the petition. So what is proposed under this bill, we think, is an additional tool to give the first responder an option to collect what information they do have about that individual, the repeated interactions that they've had, and give that information to the county so that the county can, follow-up and do the investigation and determine if that, individual is eligible. We know there are concerns from organizations and and individuals about the underlying process of care, and we respect and understand those concerns.

  • Meagan Subers

    Person

    I think, we view this bill as not an expansion of anyone who can already do a petition or an expansion of who would be eligible. But if what was working prior to care was actually working, we wouldn't be in a situation where we're trying to, you know, make sure that care is a a helpful tool. So for those reasons, we ask for your support today. Thank you.

  • Ash Kalra

    Legislator

    Thank you. Is there anyone else here in support of SB 989?

  • June Dutis

    Person

    Good morning. June Dutis, San Diego family member and representing the California chapter of the National Shattering Silence Coalition. My cousin's no fault brain disease was obvious to everyone who encounters him, but getting him into treatment remained incredibly difficult. He suffered unnecessary neurological damage as he cycled through homelessness and prison. Please give first responders a simpler path to connect people with care court and an earlier path to treatment. Thank you.

  • Ash Kalra

    Legislator

    Thank you. We'll we'll treat that as our second witness.

  • Moira C. Topp

    Person

    Good morning, Chair members. Moira Topp on behalf of San Diego mayor Todd Gloria in support.

  • Ash Kalra

    Legislator

    Thank you. Is there anyone else is there anyone here in opposition to SB 989?

  • Samuel Jan

    Person

    Chair and member, Samuel Jan with Disability Rights California. We are here in opposition to SB 989. We are sympathetic to first responders about wanting to help people they see on the streets over and over again. We're also sympathetic to family members who have and have lost loved ones struggling with severe mental illness. This bill would create a streamlined referral process for care court.

  • Samuel Jan

    Person

    Care court is already law, but we don't believe that deepening our investment in this program is the solution. We know what services work. We have decades of research showing that people need stable housing and low barrier intensive services in the community. As California's designated protection and advocacy system, our organization litigates against county behavioral health departments across the state. We've had to prove in court what's wrong with the system and negotiate with counties to reprioritize services due to the imbalance between the extreme need and available resources.

  • Samuel Jan

    Person

    What's wrong is people in crisis are being placed on three month wait list because we don't have enough outpatient care. People are being discharged from psychiatric hospitals onto the streets because we don't have enough housing. Last year, this committee found that Care Court costs $713,000 per participant per year, and that just pays for a court process. Care Court doesn't pay for services. How many outpatient visits would that cover?

  • Samuel Jan

    Person

    We could buy participants a new house, probably a condo, eight blocks from the beach every year. People don't need court ordered services with the threat of conservatorship if they don't comply. They just need reasonable access to timely services, which many aren't getting. This bill deepens our investment into a program that's rotten at its core and pulling money from the services that do work. We ask for your opposition. Thank you.

  • Ash Kalra

    Legislator

    Thank you. Is there anyone else here in opposition to SB 989?

  • Danny Thirakul

    Person

    Danny Thirakul on behalf of Mental Health America of California in opposition.

  • Ash Kalra

    Legislator

    Thank you.

  • Leah Barrows

    Person

    Apologies. I'm actually in late support. Leah Barrows on behalf of California office California Hospital Association. Thank you.

  • Ash Kalra

    Legislator

    Thank you. Alright. We'll bring it back to our committee member.

  • Diane Dixon

    Legislator

    Yes, please. Well, thank you, Senator, for another for another good good bill that you're trying to to the gentleman's comments. The care court is, what, only two or three years old, and it's still working through its growing pains and figuring out ways to meet the needs of those who just need it. I think this is a good bill. I support it. I'd like to coauthor it with you because it's going to take one step at a time.

  • Diane Dixon

    Legislator

    I I don't think it conflicts with the witnesses organizations. They're doing their good work on the streets and helping people. I think if we come at this in our communities to help people through the court system, through the services that your organizations provide, it's mainly to help people and get them into protected housing. And if their situation on the street involves activity that needs to enter the court system that needs there needs to be a pathway into the court system. If not, that's where your organizations do good work.

  • Diane Dixon

    Legislator

    So I don't know. And hearing these other bills we've talked about last week, they're they're not mutually exclusive. Everybody has a role to play. And once this patient individual becomes part of the criminal justice system, let's find the best way to help them. And I think this information from from the fire first responders, I think that's useful. I didn't realize that I wouldn't have thought about it, but that could be an important component to making those decisions in court. So thank you. I support it. I will coauthor it whenever we do that.

  • Ash Kalra

    Legislator

    Thank you. Thank you, Sean, for bringing this forward as famously or infamous infamously being a care court skeptic. You know, I I I don't want that to be mistaken for wanting it to fail. Yeah. I I I do have, you know, I the general concerns as was raised by opposition.

  • Ash Kalra

    Legislator

    But that being said, on this particular bill, I do believe that firefighters in particular are are very well situated to make determinations because they are sometimes responding to the same individual five, six, seven, ten, 12 times for medical calls that oftentimes are are mental health related, and and I trust their judgment.

  • Ash Kalra

    Legislator

    I have a little bit more concern with law enforcement in the category of first responders because of, you know, I guess different incentives as to why you may want someone off the street as well as the trauma that law enforcement might cause with some individuals that are on the street versus firefighters.

  • Ash Kalra

    Legislator

    That being said, I think helping to facilitate some process for first responders to to better at least get their referral over to the county You know, is is something that I think that we can say well, again, you you mentioned collecting data. We'll see what the fruits of that are once or if they're be given that opportunity to have a more streamlined approach.

  • Ash Kalra

    Legislator

    Again, the caution is is simply the the burden on the county to have to kind of have folks in in to some extent jump the line or at least have more more care court referrals to process more quickly.

  • Ash Kalra

    Legislator

    And so I'm I'm sure we'll hear from our counties as to the cost burden so that appropriations could deal with that in in in terms of those issues. But like, you know, as the summary Dixon said, this is still a work in progress, and I think there's still a lot to be learned about how we can better facilitate Care Court in a way that actually get people the help they need. I mean, we don't have a quorum, so we can't take a vote. But would you like to close?

  • Catherine Blakespear

    Legislator

    Yes. Thank you. I appreciate the comments from both of the Assembly members who are here, and thank you to the Chair for your your deep thought and work on Care Court and and these issues.

  • Catherine Blakespear

    Legislator

    You know, I I wanna take a little bit of exception to the suggestion that Care Court is rotten at its core, because I do think that one of the things that the opposition who's here today and in general, the opposition to care court is concerned about the, mental health services being provided through jails. Basically, through a criminal justice approach is really what we're trying to get away from.

  • Catherine Blakespear

    Legislator

    And having, taken the time to go and actually witness multiple hours of care court in operation, what I saw was that there's very much, a group therapy aspect to what care court is doing. So there are many people who are helping one person who has a lot of needs. And the reality is that the responsibility for people with severe mental health problems really does devolve to the counties.

  • Catherine Blakespear

    Legislator

    And we hear this from so many family members who come and speak, here at committee, but also talk to me directly about the fact that they are begging for more help for their family members and trying to find a system that that allows for an entrance point so that the counties can actually be helping the people who are most severely in need of help. You know, counties have a lot of responsibilities, but I would argue that this is the tip of the spear in terms of the priorities the county should be focusing on.

  • Catherine Blakespear

    Legislator

    And what we see is that there are a lot of different programs that are funded, and it it are they the ones that deal with the most severe people who need the most help, who family members are begging for help? And our first responders are seeing the same person dozens and dozens of times. And I think the worst thing is when the fire department comes, to try to help somebody having a mental health crisis. And when that doesn't work out, there's no it's a dead end. There's no future place for that person to go.

  • Catherine Blakespear

    Legislator

    Then they end up with a law enforcement violation. And the next thing you know, it's the sheriff. And the next thing you know, they're arrested. And then they are involved in the carceral system, which is the whole thing we were trying to avoid.

  • Catherine Blakespear

    Legislator

    So recognizing that having a a mental health related intervention and having the county involved is really the right, path for people and for families and also for our system to be functioning in a healthy way that also respects the opposition's concerns, respects people's, rights, but but provides help that is currently not being provided.

  • Catherine Blakespear

    Legislator

    I think it's clear it's very clear that we continue to have a major problem. And when you look at just the care court numbers of having only 18% developing a treatment and housing plan in the state, you see that we're we are really not at all meeting the need.

  • Catherine Blakespear

    Legislator

    So, you know, recognizing where are the barriers and why is this such a slow and difficult start to having Care Court operate, This is a bill that will really help streamline and create the opportunity for a path to be a a little bit wider for for people who desperately need that help. So with that, I respectfully ask your aye vote.

  • Ash Kalra

    Legislator

    Thank you. And we'll take that up as soon as we can. Thank you. Thank you. Alright.

  • Ash Kalra

    Legislator

    Up next, Senator Gonzales. Item file file item five, SB 998. And also file file item eight s B1146 after that.

  • Lena Gonzalez

    Legislator

    Yeah. I can take those both up. Thank you, Mister Chair and members. Alright. Hi.

  • Lena Gonzalez

    Legislator

    Alright. So good morning, Mister Chair and member. I'm here to present member Senate bill 998, which defines the roles and responsibilities of five discrimination prevention coordinators housed in the newly creative created office of civil rights at the government operations agency, GovOps. Last year, the chairs of the API Black and LGBTQ caucuses as well as myself, the Chair of the Latino caucus, authored and the legislature passed SB 48 establishing four discrimination prevention coordinators. SB 998 fulfills our commitment to follow-up legislation.

  • Lena Gonzalez

    Legislator

    Specifically, the the bill clarifies coordinator roles, adds a new coordinator focused on disability discrimination prevention, and creates four deputy coordinators on anti black, Anti Asian American, native Harabedian, and Pacific Islander discrimination, anti Latino discrimination, and anti Native American discrimination. And each coordinator will work with the local educational agencies upon request to ensure administrators are equipped to proactively identify and address incidents involving discrimination based on the protected characteristics.

  • Lena Gonzalez

    Legislator

    A school's culture and climate shape everything in September strengthens that foundation by equipping educators with restorative justice practices, cultural competency, training, and providing tailored student services. With me, to testify in support is Beth Graves Meyerhoff, senior attorney from the Public Council. I respectfully ask for an aye vote.

  • Ash Kalra

    Legislator

    Thank you.

  • Beth Meyerhoff

    Person

    Good morning, Chair and members. My name is Beth Graves Meyerhoff, and I'm a senior attorney with Public Counsel, a nonprofit public interest law firm dedicated to advancing civil rights and racial, gender, and economic justice. Our education equity team serves many students of color, students with disability, and gender expansive youth experiencing racial, gender, or disability discrimination in school. Our office has seen an exponential increase in the number of students seeking services after experiencing discrimination, often intersectional leading to a devastating effect on a student's ability to thrive in school. The law prohibits discrimination. Nevertheless, discrimination in school has happens.

  • Beth Meyerhoff

    Person

    The California Department of Education's uniform complaint procedures process on upward trajectory in recent years of complaints based on recent years of complaints based on protective status. In 2025, well over half of the education equity complaints filed with CDE span two or more protected categories. SB 998 recognizes that students often fall into more than one protected class and ensures the coordinators for race, gender, LGBTQ plus, and disability create the intersectional framework our students desperately need. Federal rollback significantly impacted office for civil rights capacity.

  • Beth Meyerhoff

    Person

    In 2025, OCR received a record number of civil rights complaints yet dismissed upwards of 90% of individual discrimination complaints. This bill is filling a vacuum by pro preventing discrimination and ensuring that schools have guidance and staff to provide clear direction on how to identify and address discrimination on the school campus. Every student has the right to feel safe and be seen on the school campus. Senate bill 998 will help schools provide a place for students to learn and grow free from discrimination and harassment.

  • Beth Meyerhoff

    Person

    On behalf of public council and disability rights California, who is also in support, I respectfully ask for your support today.

  • Ash Kalra

    Legislator

    Thank you. Is there anyone else here in support of SB 998?

  • Diana Vu

    Person

    Diana Vu on behalf of the Association of California School Administrators in support. Thank you.

  • Samuel Jan

    Person

    Samuel Jan with disability here. It's California in support.

  • Ash Kalra

    Legislator

    Thank you. Is there anyone here in opposition to SB 998? Alright. We'll bring it back to committee. Any questions or comments?

  • Ash Kalra

    Legislator

    Okay. Well, thank you, Senator, for bringing this bill forward and kind of further creating some guidelines as to how some of the legislation in years past will be executed. I know it's it's it's pretty complicated, and I think some of that guidance is gonna be important. Would you like to close?

  • Lena Gonzalez

    Legislator

    I respectfully ask for an aye vote on behalf of our diversity caucuses. Thank you.

  • Ash Kalra

    Legislator

    Thank you so much. Alright. And then up next, item eight, SB 1146.

  • Lena Gonzalez

    Legislator

    Thank you.

  • Lena Gonzalez

    Legislator

    Alright. Thank you, Mister Chair, for taking this up and members now. I hear I'm here to present Senate Bill 1146, which will protect Californians from deceptive AI generated health advertisements. As we know, the rapid advancement of AI and generative AI has made it increasingly difficult to distinguish between real and fake content. SB 1146 will address the issue by requiring advertisements for health products or services that include a digital replica or synthetic performer depicted as a health care provider.

  • Lena Gonzalez

    Legislator

    To clearly disclose that the content was AI generated, it's a critical step forward in ensuring that there is integrity and a trusted medical, information that is out there for the public. Testifying in support, I have George Sorey from the California Medical Association. I respectfully ask for a nigh vote.

  • George Sorey

    Person

    Good morning, Chair members. George Sorey with the California Medical Association. We're the proud sponsor of, SB 1146 by Senator Gonzales. Whether it's a good practice or not, patients increasingly rely on online videos and advertisements for health information. Unfortunately, some artificial intelligence programs now allow bad actors, to create convincing deep fake physicians to promote products and services that are ineffective, misleading, and even harmful.

  • Ash Kalra

    Legislator

    Thank you.

  • George Sorey

    Person

    This bill provides a common sense safeguard by requiring clear disclosure when AI generated or digitally altered physicians are used in advertisement and by establishing meaningful enforcement mechanisms, including giving physicians a tailored pathway to legally defend themselves when their image is used without their consent.

  • George Sorey

    Person

    This bill protects patients, preserves trust in physician patient relationship, and helps ensure Californians know when health information is coming from a real clinician and when it's not. We respectfully ask your aye vote at the appropriate time. Thank you, and I'm happy to answer questions.

  • Ash Kalra

    Legislator

    Thank you. Is there anyone else here in support of SB 1146?

  • Unidentified Speaker

    Great job.

  • Jen Chase

    Person

    Jen Chase on behalf of the University of California in support.

  • Ash Kalra

    Legislator

    Thank you.

  • Kelly McMillan

    Person

    Hello. Kelly McMillan on behalf of the American Academy of Pediatrics California in support.

  • Lawrence Gaiden

    Person

    Good morning. Lawrence Gaiden with the California Dental Association in support.

  • Ash Kalra

    Legislator

    Thank you.

  • Ash Kalra

    Legislator

    Thank you.

  • Allison Ramey

    Person

    Good morning, Chair. Allison Ramey on behalf of Kaiser Permanente in support.

  • Ash Kalra

    Legislator

    Thank you. Alright. Is there anyone here in opposition? Oh, one more.

  • Chancellor Meli

    Person

    Chancellor Meli asked me California support.

  • Ash Kalra

    Legislator

    Thank you. Is there anyone here in opposition to SB 1146? Alright. Bring him back to committee. Any questions or comments? Yeah. Sure.

  • Diane Dixon

    Legislator

    Hey, Senator. I think it it your bill is a good bill. My question is about the private right of action. Have you thought about that? Why is there any other way to work around that?

  • Lena Gonzalez

    Legislator

    Well, at this time, you know, we we do think that individual doctors need to find some reprieve to be able to, you know, ensure that their name and likeness is not replicated. And, you know, that they're also not

  • Diane Dixon

    Legislator

    Or does it have to go through a private I mean, couldn't it go through a local prosecution?

  • Lena Gonzalez

    Legislator

    Right now I mean, you wanna add but right now, we just have the private right of action. We're certainly up for discussion, but, you know, that's what we've been working on

  • Diane Dixon

    Legislator

    Okay.

  • Diane Dixon

    Legislator

    Okay.

  • Lena Gonzalez

    Legislator

    Only.

  • Lena Gonzalez

    Legislator

    Just to make sure that, you know, people are not being faked out. But please, George.

  • George Sorey

    Person

    Thank you. I appreciate the question. So in general, you know, the the bill, we included this because we thought that it was the best way to give a physician, a way to legally defend themselves as the Senator said. But we found that in some in California and in other states when, a physician has had their their images without their consent, that that courts don't necessarily always take it serious because the the laws have not necessarily been updated to account for AI generated technology. So it's something that we thought was, you know, very narrow. And it's it's only for the individual physician, so it couldn't become a larger situation to where folks like Kyle or section or something.

  • Diane Dixon

    Legislator

    Or section or something

  • George Sorey

    Person

    Correct. It cannot become that.

  • Diane Dixon

    Legislator

    Yeah. Okay. Well, thank you for clarification.

  • Lena Gonzalez

    Legislator

    I appreciate the question.

  • Ash Kalra

    Legislator

    Thank you for bringing this forward. Would you like to close?

  • Lena Gonzalez

    Legislator

    I respectfully ask for an a vote.

  • Ash Kalra

    Legislator

    Thank you. We'll get to it as soon as we can.

  • Lena Gonzalez

    Legislator

    Thank you so much.

  • Ash Kalra

    Legislator

    Up next, file item 10, SB 1164. Senator Cervantes. Whenever you're ready.

  • Sabrina Cervantes

    Legislator

    Thank you, Mr. Chair and members, for the opportunity to present SB 1164 today. Before I begin, I want to refer the committee to the Campaign Legal Center support letter and state publicly that I concur with the interpretation of SB 1164. Colleagues, as we know, democracy in America is under attack, by this federal administration and his conservative allies in Congress and in the Supreme Court of the United States.

  • Sabrina Cervantes

    Legislator

    Under the stewardship of Chief Justice Roberts, conservatives on the court have steadily been chipping away at the federal Voting Rights Act of 1965. This has culminated in the court's shameful recent decision in Louisiana versus Kelly, which Governor Newsom rightfully called the implementation of Jim Crow 2.0.

  • Sabrina Cervantes

    Legislator

    This means that many of the safeguards against vote dilution, voter suppression, and voter discrimination that have been protected for Californians for generations are effectively no longer in place. While we have the California Voting Rights Act of 2001 in law, the CVRA only protects against discriminatory at-large election systems. We cannot stand idly by and watch the Chief Justice and the Supreme Court dismantle our democracy piece by piece.

  • Sabrina Cervantes

    Legislator

    This is why we have SB 1164, which is part of the California Voting Rights Act of 2026, which comes into play. This bill will codify many of the provisions of the federal Voting Rights Act as it existed before the Callais decision into state law.

  • Sabrina Cervantes

    Legislator

    This will ensure that no matter what the Supreme Court does, California voters will continue to have safeguards against vote dilution, voter suppression, and other forms of voter discrimination. The bill also provides the California Attorney General and individual voters with more tools to enforce voting rights laws. We cannot allow California to continue to be imperiled by the chaos emanating from D.C.

  • Sabrina Cervantes

    Legislator

    Here in the Golden State, we will continue to protect democracy, even in the face of a federal government that sabotages voting rights and continues its descent into authoritarianism. I do want to note that it is not our intent of the California Voting Rights Act of 2026 to conflict with federal law, including Supreme Court jurisprudence.

  • Sabrina Cervantes

    Legislator

    Our mission is to protect voting rights in California and the space between the actions that the Fourteenth Amendment permits of the states and what the Fifteenth Amendment authorizes Congress to do. To that end, we will continue working to ensure that the provisions of the California Voting Rights Act of 2026 are in a strong position to survive future judicial scrutiny.

  • Sabrina Cervantes

    Legislator

    I also want to say that my team and I have been in discussion with a wide variety of stakeholders, many of whom reached out really at the last minute before the bill reached the Assembly. And so I am committed to working with the sponsors and those stakeholders to address concerns, should this bill continue to move forward.

  • Sabrina Cervantes

    Legislator

    And I did share that with some members of this committee, that I had a similar issue in my own city of Norco, and so I certainly understand the city's perspective and what we needed to do and what I will continue to do in future committees.

  • Sabrina Cervantes

    Legislator

    I do have with me today to testify in support the California Democracy Partnership, Hector Villagra, Vice President of Policy Advocacy, MALDEF. Just say MALDEF for short here. And Kristin Nimmers, the Policy and Campaign Manager with the California Black Power Network.

  • Ash Kalra

    Legislator

    Thank you. Whenever you're ready, whoever wants to start, feel free.

  • Kristin Nimmers

    Person

    Good morning, Chair and committee members. I'm Kristin Nimmers, Policy and Campaigns Manager with the California Black Power Network. We are one of the sponsors of SB 1164, and we represent a statewide coalition of over 49 Black-led and Black-empowering grassroots organizations. Formerly known as the Black Census and Redistricting Hub, our coalition actually began with an intentional focus on democracy.

  • Kristin Nimmers

    Person

    We led work to engage hard-to-reach Black residents during the 2020 Census, and we led a statewide campaign to engage Black communities in the state redistricting process and support our network in engaging in local redistricting to uplift communities of interest.

  • Kristin Nimmers

    Person

    For over a decade, our member organizations have been engaging voters year-round to provide public education on voting. Through this work, we've seen firsthand the challenges that Black voters face to achieve true political power and representation. We have also been called to support and advocate on behalf of communities facing disenfranchisement and voter suppression. These things are not confined to the past. There are a few examples of recent intentional acts to suppress Black votes and political power.

  • Kristin Nimmers

    Person

    In 2022, leaked records captured LA City Council members making racist remarks in a discussion about how to redraw district lines to maintain power at the expense of historically Black communities. In 2018, a court found that Latino voters face similar dilution attempts under Kern County's supervisorial map. We've also seen increased efforts to restrict access to the ballot as election deniers take hold of some local governments.

  • Kristin Nimmers

    Person

    Last year, we joined an amicus brief challenging the attempt in Huntington Beach to enact a new voter ID law based on unfounded claims of fraud. We highlighted the burdens voter ID requirements placed on Black voters and other communities.

  • Kristin Nimmers

    Person

    And although successful, the outcome of that case turned on a narrow legal theory that is not always available in cases like these. These examples confirm that we still face threats of discriminatory redistricting and efforts to pass laws that suppress voter participation. SB 1164 provides important safeguards against current threats to voters of color by strengthening California's Voting Rights Act to cover district-based systems, adding a preapproval program to prevent repeat violations. And I'll stop there.

  • Ash Kalra

    Legislator

    Thank you.

  • Hector Villagra

    Person

    Good morning, Mr. Chair and members. My name is Hector Villagra. I'm Vice President for Policy Advocacy at MALDEF, and I'm here in proud support of SB 1164, a key part of the Civil Rights Act of 2026 package. California has long recognized that the right to vote is not simply the formal right to cast a ballot. It's the right to participate equally and meaningfully in the political process.

  • Hector Villagra

    Person

    Nearly 25 years ago, California led the country by passing the nation's first state Voting Rights Act. MALDEF was proud to be the principal sponsor of that law, which has been enormously important in addressing at-large election systems that prevent Latino and other protected-class voters from electing candidates of their choice. California can and must lead again by enacting SB 1164. Federal voting rights law is no longer a reliable protector of equal political opportunity.

  • Hector Villagra

    Person

    For decades, section two of the Federal Voting Rights Act recognized that minority voters can be denied equal participation when district maps or election systems dilute their voting strength.

  • Hector Villagra

    Person

    But recent Supreme Court decisions, including Louisiana versus Callais, have made those claims far more difficult to prove and remedy under federal law. That leaves voters of color vulnerable to discriminatory barriers to equal participation, especially at the local level where there's less scrutiny. SB 1164 addresses that problem by one, expanding the CVRA's protection against vote dilution beyond at-large elections to district elections. Two, prohibiting voter suppression and discriminatory barriers to the ballot.

  • Hector Villagra

    Person

    Three, requiring preapproval of certain voting changes by local governments with the recent history of discrimination.

  • Hector Villagra

    Person

    And four, directing courts to protect voting access and equal political opportunity. The public understands the need for states to step up and protect the promise of democracy. Two-thirds of California voters support expanding the CVRA. For all these reasons, MALDEF proudly and respectfully urges an aye vote. Thank you.

  • Ash Kalra

    Legislator

    Thank you. Is there anyone else here in support of SB 1164?

  • Janice O'Malley

    Person

    Good morning, Mr. Chair and members. Janice O'Malley with AFSCME California, in strong support.

  • Ash Kalra

    Legislator

    Thank you.

  • Carlos Lopez

    Person

    Carlos Lopez with the California School Employees Association in support.

  • Ash Kalra

    Legislator

    Thank you.

  • Dora Rose

    Person

    Dora Rose, League of Women Voters of California, sponsor and in support. Also, I have the proxies of some other sponsors: Asian Law Caucus, UCLA Voting Rights Project, PANA, the Partnership for the Advancement of New Americans, NAACP Legal Defense and Educational Fund, Power California Action. Thank you.

  • Ash Kalra

    Legislator

    Thank you.

  • Symphoni Barbee

    Person

    Good morning, Chair members. Symphoni Barbee on behalf of the ACLU California Action, proud cosponsor.

  • Ash Kalra

    Legislator

    Thank you.

  • Daniel Conway

    Person

    Good morning. Daniel Conway on behalf of Common Cause, another proud cosponsor. Thank you.

  • Ash Kalra

    Legislator

    Thank you.

  • Sydney Fong

    Person

    Good morning. Sydney Fong on behalf of Asian Americans and Pacific Islanders for Civic Empowerment (AAPI Force, proud cosponsor in support. Thank you.

  • Scott Rafferty

    Person

    Scott Rafferty. I've represented LULAC and the Dawsworth Foundation and others in 10 lawsuits. I support, with legislative findings, to protect the law and to avoid protracted litigation. Thank you.

  • Ash Kalra

    Legislator

    Thank you.

  • Ruth Sosa-Martinez

    Person

    Good morning, Chair and members. Ruth Sosa on behalf of PowerCA Action in support.

  • Ash Kalra

    Legislator

    Thank you.

  • Panorea Avdis

    Person

    Good morning. Panorea Avdis, on behalf of the California Community Foundation, in support.

  • Ash Kalra

    Legislator

    Thank you.

  • Benjamin Henderson

    Person

    Benjamin Henderson with the Western Center on Law and Property in support.

  • Ash Kalra

    Legislator

    Thank you.

  • Tiffany Whiten

    Person

    Tiffany Whiten with SEIU California, co-sponsors, in support. Thank you.

  • Ash Kalra

    Legislator

    Thank you.

  • Sarah Brennan

    Person

    Sarah Brennan with The Weideman Group, on behalf of the Partnership for the Advancement of New Americans, PANA, and NextGen California, in strong support. Thank you.

  • Ash Kalra

    Legislator

    Thank you.

  • Sarah Flocks

    Person

    Sarah Flocks, California Federation of Labor Unions, in support.

  • Ash Kalra

    Legislator

    Thank you.

  • Janet Sadik-Petin

    Person

    Hi. Janet Sadik Petin on behalf of the Coalition for Immigrant Rights. Thank you.

  • Ash Kalra

    Legislator

    Thank you

  • Hector Pereyra

    Person

    Hector Pereyra, on behalf of the IHector Pereyra, on behalf of the Inland Coalition for Immigrant Justice, in support.

  • Ash Kalra

    Legislator

    Thank you. Is there anyone here in opposition to SB 1164?

  • Ash Kalra

    Legislator

    If we can clear a Chair for a gentleman. Thank you.

  • Johnnie Pina

    Person

    Good morning, Mr. Chair and members. Johnnie Pina, on behalf of the League of California Cities, here today and respectfully opposed, unless amended, to the bill. And apologies for getting our position in late on here. And I just want to start by saying we do appreciate the already productive discussions that we've had on this bill. So thank you to the author and to the sponsors of the bill.

  • Johnnie Pina

    Person

    And I'll start by saying that we recognize and appreciate the intent of this bill. I think our cities share the goal of protecting voting rights and ensuring equitable access to the democratic process. However, SB 1164 makes a significant policy shift, and I think our concern is kind of how that expansion is done.

  • Johnnie Pina

    Person

    The bill, in its current form, could, in our opinion, clearly does not define voter dilution or suppression or certain triggers in the bill, like material disparity, and without certain clarifications, I think it'll make it harder for our cities to come into compliance with the law.

  • Johnnie Pina

    Person

    At the same time, the bill has not provided meaningful opportunity to cure alleged violations, that notice provisions can be bypassed, timeline conflicts with required public processes, and our cities may even need a court approval to, as talked about, go forward with that remedy.

  • Johnnie Pina

    Person

    Other important point of this, our concerns are: Cities that are already in compliance with the CVRA by adopting district-based elections do lose those meaningful safe harbor protections and can be pulled back into repeat litigation even before that next Census cycle starts?

  • Johnnie Pina

    Person

    Our concern, I think, is for our our, you know, our cities that have gone at large to districts could be sued again and again, kind of kinda kind of having to change from district to district and, again, having to redistrict once the census is updated. And with that, just we're we're we're respectfully opposed unless amended at the time, but, again, look forward to productive discussions.

  • Ash Kalra

    Legislator

    Thank you. Is there anyone else here in opposition to SB 1164? Alright. Bring it back to committee. Any questions or comments?

  • Ash Kalra

    Legislator

    Assembly member Harabedian.

  • John Harabedian

    Legislator

    Thank you, Mister Chair. Thank you to the author. I enjoyed our conversation. Obviously, a very important bill, and I appreciate the witnesses on both sides. I I think that I agree with the staff analysis and both sides.

  • John Harabedian

    Legislator

    I mean, frankly, I think most of this is really good. And I think that this bill is trying to do great things. I have concerns and questions on a few different things that we discussed, including the remedy, how we're defining the harm, and I just appreciate that you're going to continue to work on these issues. I completely trust you to get this right.

  • John Harabedian

    Legislator

    And with that understanding, I will be supporting this out of committee, and I look forward to the amended bill before it comes to the floor. So thank you for responding to what's going on in this country. It's really sad to see what the Supreme Court and what our federal government has done to the Voting Rights Act at the federal level. And I think California does need to step up to make sure that everyone is protected, and hopefully this bill does everything we can.

  • John Harabedian

    Legislator

    Obviously, as the staff, report noted, this bill isn't going to solve what federal law has become and what the Supreme Court has done on the federal level, unfortunately.

  • John Harabedian

    Legislator

    But I think that, hopefully, on the state level and on the margins, it will be protecting a lot of communities that otherwise wouldn't have protection. So thank you again, and happy to support the bill with the ongoing amendments.

  • Ash Kalra

    Legislator

    Thank you. Yeah. I I also wanna thank you for bringing this forward. I think the Supreme Court decision demands a response from California. And I think this is a good one.

  • Ash Kalra

    Legislator

    And I know you'll continue to work the recommendations to pass this to Elections. Anyway, I think that they all have certain expertise that can help to further guide the author and all the stakeholders. Would you like to close?

  • Sabrina Cervantes

    Legislator

    Yes. Thank you, Mr. Chair. Thank you for the comments from my colleague. Yes. My commitment is to continue to work with the sponsors and the stakeholders to address the issues that have been raised and to work to manifest those into a solution that's workable for future amendments will be taken.

  • Sabrina Cervantes

    Legislator

    I respectfully ask for an aye vote.

  • Ash Kalra

    Legislator

    Thank you. We'll take it up when we can.

  • John Harabedian

    Legislator

    How many have we done?

  • James Thorektor

    Person

    Alright.

  • John Harabedian

    Legislator

    We have an author. Senator Jones, come on up. Thank you, sir. Item number 16, SB1256. Senator Jones, when you're ready, please proceed.

  • Brian Jones

    Legislator

    Thank you, Mister Chair.

  • Brian Jones

    Legislator

    I, Vice, Vice Chair. Third Vice Chair to the fourth. That's right. This is you. Thank you for accommodating our presentation.

  • Brian Jones

    Legislator

    Members, I'm gonna be presenting SB1256. It's a measure to prevent lawsuit abuse, nimbyism, and needless delays in the building of a much needed new homes for the residents of San Diego County. I wanna thank the Chair and the committee staff for their work on the bill, and we will be accepting the committee's amendments to address the concerns of the Chair and the opposition. Harmony Grove Village South is a planned development of about 500 new homes in San Diego County.

  • Brian Jones

    Legislator

    San Diego County has identified a need for an additional 100,000 new homes by 2029.

  • Brian Jones

    Legislator

    So this is a small dip into that need. Litigation abuse, like seen with Harmony Grove Village South, is one of the main reasons that that goal will almost certainly not be reached, and as you know, around the state as well. This development has been twice approved by the Board of Supervisors and the Planning Commission. It has a project to labor agreement with the local laborers union local, eighty nine, and the plans for the subdivision are fire safe and certified by local fire authorities.

  • Brian Jones

    Legislator

    This project has been tied up in litigation since 02/2018 and has been updated to address secret concerns and is completely shovel ready.

  • Brian Jones

    Legislator

    However, the opponents of the project have continued to put the county of San Diego and the developers of the project through a litigation spin cycle over the same claims on issues that were already litigated in the previous filings. Litigation that never ends on issues that have already been addressed by the court is nothing more than a tool to stop construction at any cost.

  • Brian Jones

    Legislator

    That is why this measure is needed because without it, the litigation will keep coming, and these much needed homes will remain a dream and not a reality. And we wanna bring these homes to fruition. Today with me, I have Matt Henderson, counsel for the developer of the project, to speak in support and answer.

  • Brian Jones

    Legislator

    If you have any technical questions, we'd be happy to do that as well. Thank you.

  • Matthew Henderson

    Person

    Thank you, Senator Jones. Thank you, Mister Chair and Members of the Committee. My name is Matthew Henderson, and I do represent RCS Harmony Partners and Harmony Grove Village South. I'm here this morning to advocate for my client's much needed housing project in San Diego County and to be candid to, you know, hopefully talk myself out of a job in this particular case. That project is exactly the kind of, housing development that California needs and should be encouraging.

  • Matthew Henderson

    Person

    The project has 453 units, including affordable housing with an renewable energy component, and it is cited close to jobs and services. It also has a support of local union that Senator Jones mentioned. The project was first submitted to the county in 2015, more than a decade ago. And as is often the case for these kinds of projects, it was subject to extensive environmental review, including traffic, fire safety, etcetera. The county approved the project in 2018.

  • Matthew Henderson

    Person

    As is often the case, it was subject to, litigation, in which my client almost completely prevailed, but they only have to win once. We have to win. We have to bat a thousand in those cases. And so after it was sent back to the county, there was yet more analysis, and the county approved the project again in 2025. So you had two completely different boards of supervisors reviewing the same project and deciding this is what the county of San Diego needs.

  • Matthew Henderson

    Person

    Despite that 2025 reapproval, the project today continues to face further litigation and delay. It has been more than a decade, and we're still not even close to breaking ground. And this these kinds of delays and all the uncertainty they they entail, the problems that you have with financing, with tariffs, with construction costs, these are the kinds of delays that kill projects. And at some point, we need to ask when is enough government review enough, and when do we allow housing to actually be built?

  • Matthew Henderson

    Person

    It is litigation like this, precisely like this, that helps explain California's housing crisis.

  • Matthew Henderson

    Person

    This bill is not about eliminating environmental protection. It's not about eliminating or limiting public participation. It's about providing certitude and finality to the process for a project that has been thoroughly reviewed and lawfully approved. So we respectfully ask for your aye vote.

  • John Harabedian

    Legislator

    Thank you very much. Any any other individuals or organizations in support of the bill come forward now, state your name, organization, and your position.

  • James Thorektor

    Person

    Good morning, Chair and members. James Thorektor with the California State Council of Laborers, also here on behalf of Local Laborers Local 89 based out of San Diego in strong support. Thank you.

  • John Harabedian

    Legislator

    Thank you. Any main witnesses in opposition on the bill? Please come forward.

  • Jp Theberge

    Person

    Thank you, Chair, Members of the, of the, of the, of the Committee, for the opportunity to speak in opposition to SB1256 on behalf of our community and our town council. I moved to Harmony Grove area, one of the most fire prone communities in San Diego County about fourteen years ago. Quickly learned what it means to live in a fire prone community.

  • Jp Theberge

    Person

    I served on volunteer fire department board, our fire safe council, our town council, and became really real to me a few years later when the Cocos Fire burned thousands of acres and thrashed our community, destroying 40 plus homes on the same dead end road this project is being proposed.

  • Jp Theberge

    Person

    I've seen firsthand how limited our our evacuation infrastructure is. Our community is actually a very pro housing community. In fact, we worked with the county and two other housing developers to improve project strength and fire safety measures and add evacuation routes. Ultimately, earning broad support, both projects, Harmony Grove Village and Valleano, are being built today with our backing and our testimony in favor of those projects at the border of supervisors. So we're not housing anti housing people.

  • Jp Theberge

    Person

    Excuse me. My thing just canceled. Sorry about that.

  • John Harabedian

    Legislator

    And while you're finding your place, could your name and affiliation? I'm sorry.

  • Jp Theberge

    Person

    My name is JP Theberge, and I'm on the Alpha Force Harmony Grove Town Council.

  • John Harabedian

    Legislator

    Thank you.

  • Jp Theberge

    Person

    This project is different. It is proposed on a dead end road in a bull canyon surrounded by thousands of acres of open space where that same Cocos Fire destroyed homes a decade ago. In good faith, we asked for additional evacuation improvements and safety measures. We were ignored.

  • Jp Theberge

    Person

    When the county approved the project anyway, our community did what all citizens are supposed to do. We held fun runs, fundraisers, attended hearings, and pursued legal process. More than a dozen independent fire scientists, PhDs, fire professionals, and evacuation modeling experts identified serious concerns, including a very likely evacuation entrapment scenario due to the limited narrow country roads. This is not a case about opposing housing.

  • Jp Theberge

    Person

    It's about whether the court or the county properly followed its own local and fire state fire safety requirements when approving a newly submitted newly submitted recently, this for the second time, in a very high fire hazard area.

  • Jp Theberge

    Person

    We we believe the county got it wrong. We may ultimately win or lose, but we deserve the opportunity to present our evidence in court. We don't believe that an out of state billionaire should be given a chance to override our fire safety concerns. We strongly, ask you to to reconsider this, because this is not just a Harmony Grove issue. It's a unincorporated, community issue that we're all facing, and we really appreciate your your support. Thank you.

  • John Harabedian

    Legislator

    Thank you. Opposition now.

  • John Harabedian

    Legislator

    Any other parties in opposition to the bill? Please come forward now. State your name, organization, and position.

  • Marissa Rodriguez

    Person

    Good morning. Marissa Rodriguez with the Planning and Conservation League in respectful opposition.

  • Natalie Brown

    Person

    Good morning. Natalie Brown on behalf of Resource Renewal Institute, the California Coastal Protection Network, Endangered Habitats League, and the Center for Biological Diversity also voicing opposition. Thank you.

  • John Harabedian

    Legislator

    Thank you. I'll bring it back to committee. Any questions, comments from committee members? Seeing none, Senator Jones, would would you like to respond and or close?

  • Brian Jones

    Legislator

    Sure. Yeah. I'll just, be brief, and, and, to, I wanna point out, you know, one thing that's very important in this issue, that Matthew pointed to is that two different boards of supervisors in the county of San Diego have approved this project. One that was a Republican, majority and one that most recently, the Democrat majority. So this is obviously a nonpartisan issue in San Diego County, so I appreciate that perspective.

  • Brian Jones

    Legislator

    And, and I wanna speak personally to the comments regarding the fire prone and, and fire issues there. I've represented this area since 2010 when I got elected to the City Council or to the State Assembly. But before that, 2002, since I was on the Santee City Council, I've been elected through both the '03, fires and the o seven fires that impacted my neighbor my district in my area. So I'm very sensitive to that.

  • Brian Jones

    Legislator

    This project has been approved by Cal Fire and the local Rancho Bernardo Rancho Bernardo fire officials.

  • Brian Jones

    Legislator

    KB Homes just most recently opened a new housing development in my district in Escondido that is recognized as one of the most fire safe new communities in the country with a bunch of fanfare and press. The California commissioner of insurance, Ricardo Lara, came and visited at the at the grand opening. So the new construction policies are gonna lead to this being one of the most fire safe communities as well. And with that, I ask for your right vote.

  • John Harabedian

    Legislator

    Thank you. And we will take that up as soon as we have a quorum.

  • Brian Jones

    Legislator

    Oh, thank you. Alright. I appreciate that.

  • John Harabedian

    Legislator

    And I do see that we have another Senator here to present, Senator Reyes, which would be item number two, SB 873. Senator, welcome. Good to see you. Whenever you're ready, you can begin.

  • Eloise Gómez Reyes

    Legislator

    Thank you, Mister Chair, committee members for the opportunity to present SB 873, an important step forward to ensure all Californians can access can have access to our justice system without fear. One of the core responsibilities of government is to protect people, not in not to inflict terror on them. SB 873 will protect the legal process for all in California by preventing the the indiscriminate arrests by ICE agents in and around the grounds of a courthouse.

  • Eloise Gómez Reyes

    Legislator

    Recently, there have been numerous reports of immigration related arrests happening in and around courthouses in California. Earlier this year, witnesses at the Rancho Cucamonga Rancho Cucamonga Courthouse located in my district witnessed several arrests of individuals coming out of the courthouse.

  • Eloise Gómez Reyes

    Legislator

    This was done without explanation with and with very little detail after the fact, significantly impacting our community. Despite this limited information, one thing is clear. This has a chilling effect on on the willingness of individuals to participate in our legal process. Discouraging people from coming to court makes our community less safe. Several states have taken similar action as we are proposing here, including New York, Illinois, and Washington, who have all enacted legislation to protect the sanctity of courthouses from ICE arrests.

  • Eloise Gómez Reyes

    Legislator

    California fully intends to protect the rights of our residents to participate in judicial proceedings. The when we talk about the indiscriminate arrest, we do not intend to stop a judicial warrant to be executed by an ICE agent or anyone else. Here to testify on behalf of this bill are Andrea Garcia, public defender with the San Bernardino County public defender's office, and Jacqueline Ruby, legal observer with the Inland Coalition for Justice's Rapid Response Network.

  • Andrea Garcia

    Person

    Good morning. My name is Andrea Garcia, and I'm a deputy public defender speaking on behalf of the California Public Defenders Association. I am asking you to vote I on SB 873 because it protects the fair administration of justice in our state courts. This is a justice system issue. Every case, civil, family, probate, juvenile traffic is affected when the public believes the courthouse is a trap.

  • Andrea Garcia

    Person

    These civil arrests are unbridled and widespread across California. We have collected reports from deputy public defenders, community members, and families of persons subject to civil courthouse arrests. These civil arrests occur on a weekly, sometimes daily basis. Immigration agents are civil administrative officers who do not carry judicial warrants, unlike our deputized criminal law enforcement officers. They surround persons in the parking lot, in the streets, on the sidewalks, and in and around the courthouses.

  • Andrea Garcia

    Person

    These civil arrests are not surgical. One man was detained in a parking lot while simply searching for a son. I personally witnessed a monolingual Spanish speaking woman surrounded in a desolate alley only a block from the San Bernardino Courthouse, my courthouse. The Department of Homeland Security's internal memo shows that fewer than fourteen percent of people arrested by ICE nationwide were charged or convicted of a crime. These civil arrests chill due process.

  • Andrea Garcia

    Person

    When people fear arrest at the courthouse, they stop coming. Witnesses don't show victims of domestic violence and wage theft refuse to seek relief. Children who need court services don't have rides because of the fear instilled in their caregivers. Defendants miss mandatory appearances and face new charges. The courthouse stops functioning as a courthouse.

  • Andrea Garcia

    Person

    California law already prohibits civil immigration arrests inside courthouse buildings. SB 873 closes the loophole. It extends the protection to parking lots, sidewalks, and a thousand foot perimeter where ICE is currently operating freely. SB 873 gives courthouse staff authority and a legal framework. The bill requires that agents present a valid judicial warrant signed by a judge and clearly identify themselves to court personnel before any arrest.

  • Andrea Garcia

    Person

    This means our clerks, security staff, and public defenders own are no longer guessing who these masked agents are or whether their paperwork is legitimate. This is not obstruction. This is due process in action. This is a public safety issue. All the bill asks is this.

  • Andrea Garcia

    Person

    If you wanna make an arrest near a courthouse, get a judicial warrant. This is a reasonable constitutional standard. The courthouse must be a place where everyone, regardless of their legal status or their family member's legal status, can safely exercise their rights. Please vote aye on SB 873. Thank you.

  • Rebecca Bauer-Kahan

    Legislator

    I'm looking to meet you.

  • John Harabedian

    Legislator

    Please proceed.

  • Rebecca Bauer-Kahan

    Legislator

    Ma'am?

  • Jacqueline Anton

    Person

    Hi. Good morning, Chair Kalra, and committee members. My name is Jacqueline Anton. I am a professor at a Cal State University here, and I am also a trained legal observer from Rancho Cucamonga. As Senator Ela Reese Reyes Reyes said, Rancho Cucamonga courthouse has been hit hard by immigration agents In exactly two hundred and ninety days between June 2025 and and, 04/20/2660 people were abducted by federal law enforcement agencies at the Rancho Cucamonga Superior Courthouse alone.

  • Jacqueline Anton

    Person

    That does not include the surrounding streets. It does not include unwitnessed abductions. It does not include abductions at other locations in the city. That is solely the numbers for the abductions that had taken place at the Rancho Cucamonga Courthouse in a little under nine months. Since the beginning of this current administration, I have personally witnessed 40 of the 60 abductions at the Rancho Cucamonga Courthouse and countless others on the streets of San Bernardino, Pomona, Fontana, Rialto, and you name it.

  • Jacqueline Anton

    Person

    I've personally witnessed how disruptive and violent these operations are and how negatively they impact the system. I will take you through an average day at the Rancho Cucamonga Courthouse in the last nine months.

  • Jacqueline Anton

    Person

    Beginning as early as 7AM, you could expect to see a plainclothes ice scout agent standing outside of the outside of the public defender's office or the district attorney's office waiting as attorneys were calling their clients' names so that they could alert agents who are outside in anywhere from 10 to 15 vehicles, which means you have 15 plus agents who are waiting to take people from inside and outside the courthouse, including outside parking lots that are already over 2,000 feet away.

  • Jacqueline Anton

    Person

    It gives them a great bird eye view, into our courthouse parking lots. During this, they drive recklessly through our courthouse parking lot, refuse to identify themselves, and demand compliance from people who don't know why they're being stopped or who they're being stopped by.

  • Jacqueline Anton

    Person

    They use excessive force to arrest people and racially profile people while also threatening the safety of bystanders and court attendees in their vehicles and by person. One day stands out in particular for its heedlessness and, devastation. On 02/19/2026, there were six abductions in one day at the Rancho Cucamonga Courthouse alone. There were 15 unmarked vehicles in the parking lots of the courthouse and surrounding parking lots. I witnessed masked agents violently tear a mother from her car as her children were screaming for her.

  • Jacqueline Anton

    Person

    I watched two men completely unrelated to the incident run-in fear because masked men, unidentified, were chasing them. They were then profiled based on their fear, their skin color, and the language they were speaking, and they were detained. In person, ICE agents referred to them as collateral. Both of those men are still in detention at Adelanto. One is going through medical, crises at which he is not receiving any attention for.

  • Jacqueline Anton

    Person

    And this has become a regular practice at court houses all throughout the Inland Empire in San Bernardino, Fontana, Pomona, Rancho especially, and elsewhere. Law enforcement and the state courthouse or use the state courthouses to stalk them, eavesdrop in court proceedings, and make shows of force that only serve to deter people and scare them away. Allowing indiscriminate civil arrests at our state courthouses prohibits everyone's ability to engage in due process, not just immigrant communities, but all communities.

  • Jacqueline Anton

    Person

    This is not only affecting our ability to engage in due process. It is also tearing families apart, causing unnecessary trauma, and sometimes ending in death.

  • Jacqueline Anton

    Person

    Following abductions, families are hit with inaccessible legal systems, egregious legal fees, and for profit detention centers that don't care about their loved ones. SB 873 is an important first step in, protecting our judicial system for everyone and especially for Californians. For these reasons, I respectfully request your aye votes, and thank you for your time.

  • Ash Kalra

    Legislator

    Is there anyone else here in support of SB 873?

  • Hector Pereira

    Person

    Hector Pereira on behalf of the Inland Coalition for American Justice, proud cosponsor of the bill in support.

  • Brian Augusta

    Person

    Brian Augusta on behalf of the California Rural Legal Assistance Foundation, one of the co sponsors, also the National Housing Law Project, the Public Interest Law Project, and housing and economic rights advocates in support.

  • Samuel Jain

    Person

    Samuel Jain with Disability Rights. California has strong support.

  • Becca Cramer-Mowder

    Person

    Thank you. Becca Cramer. I've been asked to register support for Oakland Privacy.

  • Ash Kalra

    Legislator

    Thank you.

  • Sandra Barreiro

    Person

    Sandra Barreiro on behalf of SEIU California, proud cosponsor in support.

  • Tracy Kenny

    Person

    Tracy Kenny on behalf of the Judicial Council in support of Senate bill 873, ask your aye vote.

  • Rebecca Marcus

    Person

    Rebecca Marcus on behalf of the California Public Defender's Association, proud cosponsor in support.

  • Rebecca Bauer-Kahan

    Legislator

    Thank you.

  • Eric Paredes

    Person

    Eric Paredes with the California Faculty Association in support. Thank you.

  • Marcus Idro

    Person

    Marcus Idro with the County of Los Angeles in support. Thank you.

  • Ash Kalra

    Legislator

    Thank you.

  • Ash Kalra

    Legislator

    Thank you.

  • Benjamin Henderson

    Person

    Benjamin Henderson with the Western Center on Law and Property who is also a cosponsor in support. Thank you.

  • Unidentified Speaker 031

    Good afternoon, Patine, on behalf of the Coalition for Humane Immigrant Rights, also in support.

  • Ash Kalra

    Legislator

    Thank you. Is there anyone here in opposition to SB 873? They will bring it back. Oh, yes. Go ahead.

  • Dillon Lesovsky

    Person

    On behalf of the San Bernardino County Sheriff's Department in opposition.

  • Ash Kalra

    Legislator

    Thank you. Thank you. Alright. Bring it back to committee. Any questions or comments?

  • Ash Kalra

    Legislator

    I think thank you, Senator, for, bringing this forward. And I think it's an incredibly important piece of legislation. I would, like to be added as a coauthor. Would you like to close?

  • Eloise Gómez Reyes

    Legislator

    We'd be honored to have you as a coauthor.

  • Ash Kalra

    Legislator

    Thank you.

  • Eloise Gómez Reyes

    Legislator

    So in closing, I just our our our chief justice of the California Supreme Court, Patricia Guerrero Guerrero, in the state of the judiciary stated, making court houses a focus of immigration enforcement hinders rather than helps the administration of justice. I cannot agree more with our chief justice. And with that, I respectfully ask for your vote.

  • Ash Kalra

    Legislator

    Thank you. And we will take that up as soon as we can.

  • Eloise Gómez Reyes

    Legislator

    K. Thank you.

  • Ash Kalra

    Legislator

    That's okay. I don't mind that on the record.

  • Benjamin Allen

    Legislator

    Alright. Thank you, Mister Chair. Thank you, members.

  • Ash Kalra

    Legislator

    We have item 14, SB 1267, whenever you're ready.

  • Benjamin Allen

    Legislator

    So, thank you. Residents, belong to homeowner associations, and condominium complexes find it, often, particularly difficult making the switch to electric vehicles because unlike with single family homeowners or- or HOA owners that have a dedicated personally owned garage, folks in this set of circumstances, you have to use common area spaces to to park. And then, you know, most people charge at home. They then have to install the needed infrastructure to charge their vehicles in these common area spaces.

  • Benjamin Allen

    Legislator

    So we know that the biggest barrier to large scale market proliferation of EVs is accessibility charging stations.

  • Benjamin Allen

    Legislator

    As someone who has couple, like, you know, like some electric vehicles in my family, I- I know this well. So we know we have to do more to ensure that prospective EV drivers living in HOAs that have these common area spaces for parking are accommodated. So last year, I authored a bill, SB 770, which removed a requirement for HOA residents to name an association as an additional insured, on their homeowners policy.

  • Benjamin Allen

    Legislator

    Many consumers were struggling to find insurers that would allow them to add endorsement for the HOA, and then you remember this discussion last year. Now our friends who represent the HOAs raised concerns at the time, as you may recall as a member, about liability for damage or injury that might be caused by a charger.

  • Benjamin Allen

    Legislator

    I made a commitment at the time that if this move were to move through, we would figure out a path that would provide some some protection for the association. So this bill is me fulfilling that promise. And it and it seeks to require the installer of an EV charging station to indemnify the association during the installation of the charger and make the homeowner liable for any cost arising from the use of a privately owned charger.

  • Benjamin Allen

    Legislator

    You know, listen, there's not been any shown, as we discussed last year, risk of- of significant risk or injury. But I understand the lack of certainty in the law then and now, that is worrying to HOAs and it may you know, it can make it more difficult for HOAs to obtain adequate insurance in an increasingly unaffordable broad based insurance market, especially for HOAs.

  • Benjamin Allen

    Legislator

    And so it's with that spirit we come today, and and I respectfully ask for your aye vote on SB 1267.

  • Ash Kalra

    Legislator

    Thank you.

  • Louis Brown Jr.

    Person

    Mister chairman, members of the committee, Louis Brown here today on behalf of the Community Associations Institute. The Senator is a man of his word, and we have, addressed some of the issues that we were discussing at the end of session last year, and we support the bill and ask for an aye vote.

  • Ash Kalra

    Legislator

    Thank you. Is there anyone else here in support of SB 1267? Is there anyone in opposition to SB 1267? Bring it back to committee. Any questions or comments? Assemblymember Harabedian.

  • John Harabedian

    Legislator

    Thank you, Mr. Chair. I wanna briefly thank both of you. I- I do think that it's rare when, an author actually follows through on addressing we hear a lot about how if a bill gets done, I promise to follow-up with additional work and additional bills, and oftentimes that's, you know, that falls by the wayside. And it's great because we- we had a lot of discussions, the three of us and members here and and insurance about going forward, trying to make sure that everyone was comfortable.

  • John Harabedian

    Legislator

    So it's just great that- that both of you follow through and appreciate the Senator for doing that.

  • John Harabedian

    Legislator

    So happy to support at the right time.

  • Benjamin Allen

    Legislator

    Thank you.

  • Ash Kalra

    Legislator

    Thank you. I also wanna thank you, Senator. Actually, about a month ago, I have a charger in my home as a single family residence. It started smoking.

  • Ash Kalra

    Legislator

    I know. It was- It was- It was a-

  • Benjamin Allen

    Legislator

    Was it medical or- or--

  • Ash Kalra

    Legislator

    I- I- I- I- I don't know. I- I although I do think there might have been some user error involved, but the bottom line was, like, you know, we had to shut the power off, get an electrician to come and fix it. If I did live in a condo complex townhouse or under the office of an HOA, it would be, I think, unreasonable for me to expect the HOA to be liable for that.

  • Ash Kalra

    Legislator

    And- And so I think that this is one more step, not only a follow-up to legislation, but- but one more step in- in helping to facilitate the growth of the infrastructure of EVs, which is really the next phase of our kind of EV involvement in this state. So I thank you for bringing this bill forward.

  • Ash Kalra

    Legislator

    Would you like to close?

  • Benjamin Allen

    Legislator

    Yeah. No. This is a good issue that reminds you that insurance undergirds so much of- of our economy and- and so- so many aspects of- of life, including our transition to a- a- a- a less carbon intensive future. And- But appreciate the work of everyone. Appreciate Mister Brown and ask for an aye vote.

  • Ash Kalra

    Legislator

    Thank you. When we get quorum, we'll get right on top of that. Thank you.

  • Benjamin Allen

    Legislator

    Thank you.

  • Ash Kalra

    Legislator

    While we're waiting for senators and the senators, if they do show up, we can pretty much get everything but one item done by noon. Last week, we had to go into the afternoon because senators didn't show up, and we had over a half hour. We were waiting for authors. It seems to be happening again today. So I really urge our our Senate authors to get here so we can take care of their business as quickly as possible.

  • Ash Kalra

    Legislator

    And we will be returning in the afternoon regardless for one item on for special order of business at 01:30PM. That's SB 623, Umberg, and we'll be in Room 447 this afternoon. But I just urge our Senate colleagues to get here as soon as possible, and we can get you on your way. Alright. Senator Cortese, s it's item 16, SB 1425, whenever you're ready.

  • Dave Cortese

    Legislator

    Good morning, Chair. Good morning, and Members. I'm pleased to present SB1425. And before I begin, I wanna thank, the chief counsel and Chair for their work on this, and I'll be accepting the amendments as outlined on page six. Thank you.

  • Dave Cortese

    Legislator

    California is building the nation's first two twenty mile per hour fully electrified high speed rail system as I think we all know. There's going to be massive development potential along that corridor measured at approximately 400 miles. While the state is charged with managing the land, it lacks legal authority to regulate encroachments that may delay the building operation and maintenance of the project.

  • Dave Cortese

    Legislator

    SB1425 simply enables the authority to do what most local governments and agencies are equipped to do, to adopt regulations to establish an encroachment permit program within the project's right of way. A codified permit process will bridge the gap between local property owners, businesses, and public entities to bolster the surrounding communities and support expansion along the corridor.

  • Dave Cortese

    Legislator

    With us today, we have Keith Dunn with State Building and Construction Trades Council. I mean, at the appropriate time, I'd respectfully ask for your item.

  • Ash Kalra

    Legislator

    Thank you.

  • Keith Dunn

    Person

    Thank you, Mister Chair, Members. Keith Dunn, State Building Construction Trades Council. I'd like to thank the Senator for bringing forward this measure. As he's mentioned, this provides the authority for the high speed rail authority to manage encroachment permits. We've spent a lot of time talking about some of the concerns and issues that surround this project.

  • Keith Dunn

    Person

    I've spent better part of the last decade and a half trying to improve them. I would tell you that this bill goes a long way to make sure that we're avoiding some of the delays that drive cost. So, again, this is a measure that's been born out of experience in the ground with the valley and some of the utilities that interact in that space.

  • Keith Dunn

    Person

    So I hope that you can support this measure that's gonna provide the opportunity to to do things better, to learn from some of the past issues that we've encountered, and improve upon the delivery of this very important construction project. So with that, I'd like to ask for your support.

  • Keith Dunn

    Person

    Thank you.

  • Ash Kalra

    Legislator

    Thank you. Is there anyone else here in support of SB1425?

  • Sarah Flock

    Person

    Mister Chair, Members, Sarah Flock, California Federation of Labor Unions in support.

  • Ash Kalra

    Legislator

    Thank you.

  • James Thorektor

    Person

    Chair and members, James Thorektor here with the California State Council of Laborers in strong support. Thanks.

  • Ash Kalra

    Legislator

    Thank you. Is there anyone here in opposition to SB1425?

  • Brian White

    Person

    Good morning, Mister Chair, Members. Brian White here on behalf of Los Angeles Department of Water and Power, largest public utility in the nation. We have our own rights of ways and enforcement issues that that we deal with at a local level. We have a lot of interactions with various agencies, Department of Water Resources, Caltrans. We're just worried about outstanding enforcement provisions.

  • Brian White

    Person

    We're worried about the ability to go in and do emergency work and, and maintenance and repairs along our rights away. So we just need to have a better process of dealing with that without having to get encroachment permit simply to go in and protect our our public rights away. So we're working with the author trying to fix that and hopefully, we can get that done in the next committee. So thank you.

  • Ash Kalra

    Legislator

    Thank you.

  • Kiera Ross

    Person

    Good morning. Kiera Ross on behalf of the City of Burbank and Burbank Water and Power. We would echo the comments of LADWP. We've had conversations with the author, and we'll continue. Thank you much.

  • Ash Kalra

    Legislator

    Thank you.

  • Rod Brewer

    Person

    Good morning, Mister Chair and Members. Rod Brewer for Southern California Edison also in the opposed.

  • Ash Kalra

    Legislator

    Thank you. Alright. Bring it back to committee. Any questions or comments? Assemblymember Zbur.

  • Rick Chavez Zbur

    Legislator

    Thank you for bringing the bill. I'll be supporting you today. I actually do think though that some of the comments from the utilities related to rights away and doing those in a more systematic way, similar to what's been done in other kinds of bills that are similar is are are are valid points, and I'm hoping that you'll continue working with them to try to refine that as the bill moves forward.

  • Dave Cortese

    Legislator

    So Yes. Absolutely. May I respond?

  • Rick Chavez Zbur

    Legislator

    Yes, please.

  • Dave Cortese

    Legislator

    Thank you, Assemblymember. We've been working, among other things, I think we've solved the issue of making sure existing or preexisting agreements, which was some of the larger utilities have with directly with high speed rail. It's basically dealing with what we normally deal with a code section just by contractual agreement that give them presumably what they want. There is the rights they want.

  • Dave Cortese

    Legislator

    It, it doesn't, that doesn't foreclose still, you know, having an an encroachment permit program is sort of a fundamental building block beneath all of that.

  • Dave Cortese

    Legislator

    But, you know, issues of where they have preexisting easements, underground underground work, underground pipelines, etcetera. We assume that they have easements, you know, some of them probably go back decades and decades, which allow them just like Pacific Gas and Electric or I, I know we have Southern California utility here, but they don't ask permission. They just go into their easement and do their work because that's what the easement says they can do.

  • Dave Cortese

    Legislator

    But we're gonna keep working to make sure we don't, you know, inadvertently create an encroachment permit program that that forces them where they already have a right to come in, you know, to take another step. We that there's no intention of doing that.

  • Dave Cortese

    Legislator

    Thank you.

  • Rick Chavez Zbur

    Legislator

    Yeah. I, I think the thing that makes the, the electric utilities and other utilities, it's a little bit different is because they're so extensive. So, I mean, it's not like one property owner that you actually have to deal with. It's you know, they've got easements all over the place. They haven't been in my backyard.

  • Rick Chavez Zbur

    Legislator

    So it just, I just think it needs more attention to really deal with the details of some of the, the concerns that they have to allow them to continue to doing what they need to do to serve the public. So but thank you for agreeing to work with them. Thank you.

  • Ash Kalra

    Legislator

    Thank you. Any other questions or comments? Yeah. And, and this, this past, this committee is going to the utilities committee, and if that's appropriate to me to deal with some of these more technical issues that it doesn't sound like opposition is principally opposed, but they obviously have their concerns of the work that they need to do, especially when it's urgent work.

  • Ash Kalra

    Legislator

    And but on a on a larger scale, we already know that the delays have really hinder hinder the Hyattsville project and whatever we can do to help speed it along.

  • Ash Kalra

    Legislator

    And I think this is definitely a bill that can help us do that. It's critically important. Would you like to close?

  • Dave Cortese

    Legislator

    Thank you, Chair, and thank you for this again, this committee's hard look at it and the amendments that we're taking. And we'll certainly you know, we've through through each committee, we've, you know, taken the process very seriously. And I, I think, you know, probably everybody says this, at least in my committee when they come through, but we're very, very close in in reality to just, you know, buttoning up these issues. And it's everyone's intention to do it, including mine.

  • Dave Cortese

    Legislator

    So with that, I respectfully ask for your ayee vote.

  • Ash Kalra

    Legislator

    Thank you. We'll get we'll get to a vote when we get a quorum, which is we're very close. Thank you. Can we establish madam secretary, if we can establish quorum, please?

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  • Ash Kalra

    Legislator

    That motion on the consent calendar.

  • Committee Secretary

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  • Ash Kalra

    Legislator

    Aye. It's on. Consent calendar's on call. Alright. Let's keep it moving. Item can we get a motion on file item one?

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  • Ash Kalra

    Legislator

    That that's on call. The motion on item two.

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  • Ash Kalra

    Legislator

    Okay. Place that on call. Do we have a motion item four? SB 99, Blakespear?

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  • Ash Kalra

    Legislator

    Place that on call. Do we have a motion on item five, SB 998 Gonzales?

  • Committee Secretary

    Second. Motion is do passed to appropriations. Kalra? Aye. Kalra, aye. Maseta Berghagen, Brian Connolly, Dixon, Harabedian? Aye. Hair beating, Aye. Pacheco. Aye. Pacheco. Aye. Pappen. Aye. Pappen. Aye. Sanchez. Stephanie. Aye. Stephanie, Izavert.

  • Ash Kalra

    Legislator

    We'll place it on call. Aye. Is there a motion on item six? SB 1078 Laoird.

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  • Ash Kalra

    Legislator

    Is there a motion on item eight? SB 1146 Gonzales?

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  • Ash Kalra

    Legislator

    Is it on call? Is there a motion on item 10 SB 1164 Cervantes?

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  • Ash Kalra

    Legislator

    We'll place it on call. Is there a motion on item 13 SB 201256 Jones?

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  • Ash Kalra

    Legislator

    Okay. Place that on call. Item 14SB1267, Allen.

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  • Ash Kalra

    Legislator

    That's our we have a bill out of it. Alright. Okay. We have a motion on item 16 SB 1425 Cortesi.

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  • Ash Kalra

    Legislator

    K. That goes out. If we can do add ons for the consent calendar.

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  • Ash Kalra

    Legislator

    Yeah. Consent calendar is out. If we could do, add ons for item one, SB46, Umberg.

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  • Ash Kalra

    Legislator

    That bill is out. Two add ons for item two. SB 873 Reyes.

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  • Ash Kalra

    Legislator

    That bill is out. Add ons for item four, SB989, Blakespear.

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  • Ash Kalra

    Legislator

    Goes out. Add ons for item five, SB998, Gonzales.

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  • Ash Kalra

    Legislator

    Goes out. Add on item six, SB1078, Laird.

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  • Ash Kalra

    Legislator

    Add those out. Add ons, item 8, SB1146 Gonzales.

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  • Ash Kalra

    Legislator

    Those out. Add ons item 10 with SB1164, Cervantes.

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  • Ash Kalra

    Legislator

    That goes out. Move the move the call on item 13. SB1256Jones.

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  • Ash Kalra

    Legislator

    It's That bill is out. Okay. Alright. We have with us Senator Durazo. Item nine. Item nine, SB 1116.

  • María Elena Durazo

    Legislator

    Good morning. Thank you, Mister Chair and members. During my time at the legislature, I've been really focused on protecting tenants. In my district alone, there are over 70% renters. The cost of housing rises and more Californians are rent burdened on the verge of eviction or actually getting evicted and becoming homeless.

  • María Elena Durazo

    Legislator

    This bill seeks to increase transparency and better understand the housing instability and homelessness across our state by gathering eviction court data at the ZIP code level. Specifically, this bill requires that Judicial Council of California assess which counties have the feasibility to report eviction data by ZIP code. It also allows counties with a 100 or fewer ZIP codes for their data to be kept at the county wide level, which is where they currently report.

  • María Elena Durazo

    Legislator

    Other counties that are not in that carve out would report as at a ZIP code level. Lastly, the judicial council will then have the aggregated data and we'll post it on their website.

  • María Elena Durazo

    Legislator

    Year after year in the legislature, we continue to hear of the growing crisis. Just last year, data showed 13% of low income households, 800,000 renters report facing evictions. With the data this bill collects, policymakers, legal service providers, and local governments can identify patterns in eviction filings and outcomes like default between ZIP codes, track local, statewide, and statewide progress preventing. Why ZIP codes? I'll give you an example.

  • María Elena Durazo

    Legislator

    The specific, state housed LA is an innovative homelessness prevention initiative. It functions as a right to counsel program. During implementation, advocates encountered two major challenges, a high volume of eviction cases relative to the limited number of attorneys handling eviction defense and low public awareness of tenants' rights and services. So to address these issues, the program partnered with community based organizations, conducted outreach, education, workshops, and canvassing. The advocates soon identified more barriers given that, which were concentrated near Downtown Los Angeles.

  • María Elena Durazo

    Legislator

    Given these capacity constraints, advocates adopted a phased implementation strategy using priority ZIP codes. Because eviction filing data were unavailable, they relied on proxy indicators such as homelessness counts and census status. ZIP codes were prioritized bay based on severity of housing instability and the estimated demand and for community services. This approach helped inform residents about eviction process, available assistance, and how to respond to eviction notices.

  • María Elena Durazo

    Legislator

    I know that, judicial council continues to have some concerns, but I remain committed to continuing the discussion to find a solution on the concerns.

  • María Elena Durazo

    Legislator

    Today, we have the opportunity to hear from our two cosponsors, Kyle Nelson, director of policy and advocacy with Strategic Actions for a Just Economy, and Benjamin Henderson, housing policy advocate for the Western Center on Law and Poverty.

  • Ash Kalra

    Legislator

    Thank you.

  • Kyle Nelson

    Person

    Thank you. Good morning, chair and committee members. My name is Kyle Nelson, and I'm director of policy and advocacy at Strategic Actions for a Just Economy. We're a cosponsor of SB 1160 because we strongly believe that having ZIP code level data on eviction filings and outcomes is worth the investment. Not only is it worth the investment, it will positively impact how we make policy decisions to end homelessness in California.

  • Kyle Nelson

    Person

    75 organizations from across the state agree with this assessment. And in their support for the bill, they've shared how essential eviction data can be to the day to day work of preventing homelessness in an increasingly unstable economy. Currently, eviction data is available at the county level. And since 2016, I've collected this data by submitting public records request to the Judicial Council.

  • Kyle Nelson

    Person

    In Los Angeles, this data helped elected officials craft emergency tenant protections during the COVID 19 pandemic, and it's been vital to implementing StayHoused LA, the city and county's right to council program.

  • Kyle Nelson

    Person

    But this data can only tell us part of the story. For our homelessness prevention policies to work, we also need to know where eviction outcomes are happening. For example, we know that over half of tenants in Kern County default where they lose their cases before their first court date. With ZIP code level data, however, tenant advocates could focus outreach efforts on areas with the highest default rates, increasing the likelihood that tenant- increasing the likelihood that tenants respond to landlords' lawsuits in time.

  • Kyle Nelson

    Person

    This is especially important in a county that is larger than the state of New Jersey with a lot of evictions and few tenant advocates.

  • Kyle Nelson

    Person

    Implementing SB 1160 will not come without costs, but if California hopes to curb homelessness, then we must enact data driven policies that allow advocates to focus their efforts on the places where tenants need support the most. I respectfully ask for your aye vote, and thank you for your consideration.

  • Ash Kalra

    Legislator

    Thank you.

  • Benjamin Henderson

    Person

    Good morning, chair and members. My name is Benjamin Henderson. I am a policy advocate with the Western Center on Law and Poverty. For tenants, an eviction filing can mean losing affordable housing, disrupting a child's education, and even experiencing homelessness. Yet despite the life changing consequences of eviction, California still lacks consistent statewide data to understand how many unlawful detainers are filed, how these cases are resolved, and which communities are most impacted by evictions.

  • Benjamin Henderson

    Person

    Today, legal advocates and local governments need eviction data to identify communities experiencing the highest rate of displacement and to target resources where they are needed most. They look at eviction cases- look at where eviction cases are being filed, how many cases end in default judgment because tenants are unable to respond, and other factors. The Western Center on Law and Property holds monthly eviction defense calls where we discuss this information with our legal service partners.

  • Benjamin Henderson

    Person

    The problem is that this data is not collected or reported consistently across California. Some counties make this information available, but most do not. Making it difficult to understand

  • Benjamin Henderson

    Person

    statewide trends or evaluate whether our policies are effectively keeping people housed. SB 1160 addresses this gap by creating a standardized statewide reporting system for unlawful detainer cases by collecting information on filings, defaults, the stipulated judgments, dismissals, and other case outcomes by ZIP code. This bill would give California the transparency and information needed to improve eviction prevention efforts and better serve people at the risk of losing their homes. We respectfully ask for a yes vote.

  • Ash Kalra

    Legislator

    Thank you. Is there anyone else here in support of SB 1160?

  • Brian Augusta

    Person

    Good morning, chair and members. Brian Augusta on behalf of the California Rural Legal Assistance Foundation, California Coalition for Rural Housing, the Berkeley Rent Stabilization Board, and Housing California in support. Thank you.

  • Mark Isidro

    Person

    Good morning. Mark Isidro with the County of Los Angeles in support. Thank you.

  • Ash Kalra

    Legislator

    Thank you. Is there anyone here in opposition to SB 1160?

  • Morgan Lardizabal

    Person

    Good morning, chair and members. Morgan Lardizabal, legislative advocate with the Judicial Council. Today, here in respectful opposition to 1160, we appreciate the work Senator Durazo and her office have put into the latest amendments, especially the needed delayed implementation timeline. However, we remain in opposition based on the significant workload and fiscal impact the bill will have on the courts and the council. The main crux of the impact remains with the corp- requirement to provide the data by ZIP code.

  • Morgan Lardizabal

    Person

    This is not a field that exists in nearly all court case management systems today. As these systems are designed to ensure cases are tracked through the judicial system, it is not an easy fix to add a new field to each of the individual systems and create a statewide extraction system for the information to regularly flow up to the council for the aggregation and information that needs to be reported by the bill.

  • Morgan Lardizabal

    Person

    This new requirement will require significant resources and divert court staff from helping court users to focus on data collection for use outside of the court system. We look forward to continuing the conversation with Senator Durazo and her office. Thank you.

  • Morgan Lardizabal

    Person

    Happy to take any questions.

  • Ash Kalra

    Legislator

    Thank you. Is there anyone else here in opposition to SB 1116? Bring it back to the committee. Any questions or comments? Assemblymember Pacheco.

  • Blanca Pacheco

    Legislator

    Thank you. I had just had a question for, judicial counsel. Is there a way to get this bill to a better place so that, this bill can forward? I know there were some amendments that were were already taken, but I do also have a concern about, you know, our course in, you know, the different judicial council forms. Is there a way to- to go to neutral?

  • Morgan Lardizabal

    Person

    There's not a cheap way to go to neutral. I'll put it that way. It's really gonna take an update to all these different systems. LA is currently doing this with the help of Stanford researchers, so they have a lot of people helping them do this currently. And one of our first suggestions was maybe we do a pilot program specifically to LA where they do have this data.

  • Morgan Lardizabal

    Person

    We have all the other data elements that do get reported annually. It's really the ZIP code factor that they're hinging the bill on every year that we just simply don't have an ability to easily implement into all of our systems. There are 58 different systems. Every system's different. We'd have to work with multiple vendors at the council and the court level.

  • Morgan Lardizabal

    Person

    The bill amendments do reference our GIPSA system, which is an outdated system that we're slowly starting to move away from. So it's a separate system that needs to be created at our level and then at every individual court level. So short answer is no.

  • Blanca Pacheco

    Legislator

    And- And I'm just curious to the author, and I commend you for always advocating on behalf of tenants. I'm curious if there's a way and and I'm not saying to make a commitment right now, but is there a way to maybe go down the right- route of maybe doing this as a pilot program, maybe only for LA County so that way this wouldn't be an impact for judicial council?

  • María Elena Durazo

    Legislator

    Well, LA County pretty much does that does it now. So a pilot- pilot project isn't gonna help in that case. The- What we were looking at is the time that it would take. One is that the the judicial council would- would decide which of the counties have the feasibility to do it. So it's not just saying everybody right now.

  • María Elena Durazo

    Legislator

    Right? So judicial council decides which counties have the feasibility to do that. We gave them extra time to- to do it. We have we can talk about more, but we- we and then that there are counties with a 100 or fewer ZIP codes. So capacity feasibility, we're trying to address that.

  • María Elena Durazo

    Legislator

    We're not just saying you're off on your own. We've also suggested that as techno- as they upgrade the technology, each county has some more, some less, but they all rely on some level of technology that has that technology make they make changes in the technology that they would include this. We did this with the paid family leave information that we asked for and we got passed through a law is that as the technology was upgraded, they asked they added these data points.

  • María Elena Durazo

    Legislator

    So those are the- Those are the ways in which we've suggested to move forward. We'll continue to take any suggestions along those lines.

  • María Elena Durazo

    Legislator

    Thank you.

  • Blanca Pacheco

    Legislator

    And I'm- I'm curious. Does this what the Senator just mentioned, do those amendments help to alleviate some of the concerns? It seems like it does.

  • Morgan Lardizabal

    Person

    It- It doesn't just because that's not the way our systems are set up to be updated. Uh-huh. So all the different vendors have current projects ongoing that this can't just easily be added into. And we need project managers at our level to be able to make sure everything gets implemented across the board. The two years really LA is the only county that would be able to court and county that would be able to do this.

  • Morgan Lardizabal

    Person

    So it really is an update that needs to go out to all 57 other courts. And currently, with these latest amendments, there is an exception for courts with a 100 or fewer annual filings over the last five years. However, the bill still requires all 58 courts to report to the council. It's just when the council then posts the results, we would exclude those. So there's still it's just it needs a lot of updates to be able to make this work.

  • Blanca Pacheco

    Legislator

    Well, I'm hoping that- that there will be further conversations held. I will be voting for your bill today so that you can continue having those conversations. But I'll reserve my vote, for when it gets on the floor, but hopefully hoping that it gets to a better place. But again, thank you.

  • María Elena Durazo

    Legislator

    Thank you. Thank you very much.

  • Ash Kalra

    Legislator

    Assemblymember Zbur.

  • Rick Chavez Zbur

    Legislator

    Thank you, author, for bringing the bill. You know, data collection is something that's really important. And when I was at Equality California, we actually had a series of bills that were trying to collect data on sexual orientation and gender identity, and we were doing it in pieces because you always sort of and they're valid concerns, but you always have the concerns about how much it's costing to update your systems, how much it's costing to update your forms.

  • Rick Chavez Zbur

    Legislator

    And the way you deal with it is the way you're dealing with it now, which is that you try to look at, okay, when are the systems gonna be updated on its own anyway? So you're already bearing those costs.

  • Rick Chavez Zbur

    Legislator

    When are you gonna print the forms anyway? So when you print the forms the next time, you add it at that point. And so those are the ways that you typically deal with issues of data collection when you're trying to collect more data. It sounds like you're very focused on those kinds of things to reduce the cost, of our court- for our for the judicial council and our courts. And so with that, I'd be supporting the bill.

  • Rick Chavez Zbur

    Legislator

    I think these are the kinds of things that always happen on data collection bills. And so, you know, I- I just wanna thank the author for continuing to work on these issues, and I'll be supporting this today.

  • María Elena Durazo

    Legislator

    Thank you.

  • Ash Kalra

    Legislator

    Alright. Any questions or comments? Okay. I- I also wanna thank the author. Look, you know, this is- we're talking about adding one more field of information to information that already exists.

  • Ash Kalra

    Legislator

    The courts already have it. These are unlawful to tenors. They have the ZIP code of these residents. The- You know, we talk a lot about the housing crisis, and I think so much focuses on new construction and how being able to have homeownership. The number one crisis, not just now, but has been for many, many years, is rents too high.

  • Ash Kalra

    Legislator

    Evictions, you know, families are struggling to survive. And it's not just LA County. It's in all 58 counties now. Having the data to be able to be nimble enough to respond is critically important. Although I- I understand the concerns the judicial council, I think, you know, having from today's date at least two and a half years to add one more field.

  • Ash Kalra

    Legislator

    You know, every year court forms are updated every single year. Adding one more field and adding one more field, particularly electronically, just to enter into a computer, I get it's gonna take some work, but I- I think the again, in- in balance, having that information is critically important for us to deal with the number one crisis that our residents face, which is the cost of housing. So with that, would you like to close?

  • María Elena Durazo

    Legislator

    I ask for your vote. Thank you all very much for your comments.

  • Unidentified Speaker

    I'll move it.

  • Ash Kalra

    Legislator

    Is there a second? I'll sec- I'll second it.

  • Committee Secretary

    Motion is do passed to appropriations. [Roll Call].

  • Ash Kalra

    Legislator

    'Kay. We'll place that on call. Thank you.

  • María Elena Durazo

    Legislator

    Thank you, members.

  • Ash Kalra

    Legislator

    So so we we still have five bills left. Unfortunately, we've had very, very long delays without having senators here to present. So we're definitely gonna go to the afternoon on some of those bills. Unfortunately, for the second week in a row, for lack of having Senate authors, we're going to the afternoon on bills that we really shouldn't have to. So I implore senators, not just today, but next week, please show up and present.

  • Ash Kalra

    Legislator

    We are all ready for for your presentations. And it's unfortunate that we're gonna be further delayed today when I know folks have very busy agendas in the afternoon as well. It's it's unacceptable. We'll go ahead and do some add ons right now, and we'll start with the consent calendar.

  • Committee Secretary

    [Roll Call]

  • Ash Kalra

    Legislator

    Item one of SB 46 Umberg.

  • Committee Secretary

    [Roll Call]

  • Ash Kalra

    Legislator

    Add on for item two, SB 873 Reyes.

  • Committee Secretary

    [Roll Call]

  • Ash Kalra

    Legislator

    Add ons for item four, SB 989, Blakespear.

  • Committee Secretary

    [Roll Call]

  • Ash Kalra

    Legislator

    Item add ons for item five, SB998 Gonzales.

  • Committee Secretary

    [Roll Call]

  • Ash Kalra

    Legislator

    Add ons for item six, SB 1078 Laird.

  • Committee Secretary

    [Roll Call]

  • Ash Kalra

    Legislator

    Item eight 1146 Gonzales add ons.

  • Committee Secretary

    [Roll Call]

  • Ash Kalra

    Legislator

    Move to call on item nine, SB 1160 Durazo.

  • Committee Secretary

    [Roll Call]

  • Ash Kalra

    Legislator

    I'll place that back on call. Add ons for item 10, SB 1164 Cervantes.

  • Committee Secretary

    [Roll Call]

  • Ash Kalra

    Legislator

    Add ons for item 13. SB 1256 Jones.

  • Committee Secretary

    [Roll Call]

  • Ash Kalra

    Legislator

    Item 14. SB 1267. Allen add ons.

  • Committee Secretary

    [Roll Call]

  • Ash Kalra

    Legislator

    Add ons to item 16, SB 1425, Cortesi.

  • Committee Secretary

    [Roll Call]

  • Ash Kalra

    Legislator

    If we don't have a Senator here in five minutes, we're gonna recess to the afternoon. Yeah. We have people have work to do.

  • Alexandra Macedo

    Legislator

    Women.

  • Committee Secretary

    Alright. Here we go. Good. Did you save the rest of the senators?

  • Unidentified Speaker 012

    Item 11.

  • Ash Kalra

    Legislator

    Item 11. SB 1194, Senator Caballero. Whenever you're ready.

  • Anna Caballero

    Legislator

    Good morning, Mister Chair and members. Thank you for the opportunity to present SB 1194. This bill will codify the immigration legal fellowship project, which has proven to be a successful model to expand access immigration legal services in some of the most underserved regions of the state. The fellowship began as a pilot project in 2019 in response to the federal administration as it pursued repressive immigration enforcement, creating fear and confusion for many immigrant families and children across California.

  • Anna Caballero

    Legislator

    While access to immigration counsel and legal services has been limited, the environment created under the federal administration magnified the severity of the issue and demonstrated the clear need for trusted legal services and community based support to assist individuals navigating the complex immigration processes.

  • Anna Caballero

    Legislator

    The fellowship was designed to increase the number of qualified immigration attorneys who could defend California residents. The first, fellowship cohort was deployed in 2021, and the program has not only created a sustainable immigration attorney pipeline to areas hardest hit by the Federal Federal Administration's rates, but has also strengthened trust in public institution and ensured individuals receive accurate legal representation during some of the most critical moments of their lives. The fellowship has provided legal representation services to nearly 2,500 individuals across 39 counties.

  • Anna Caballero

    Legislator

    Local organizations who have hosted fellows have gained the requisite experience required in order to be eligible to apply for state legal services funding and are in a better position to leverage philanthropic support. The one California funds that we put into operation went to communities that already had established legal services legal immigration services.

  • Anna Caballero

    Legislator

    So the the value of this fellowship was that it created a pipeline to be able to send resources so people could see an attorney. In in my region of the state, both when I was in the Assembly and now in the Senate, we had no no operating entities. And so what would happen is people would come in and do a know your legal rights series. But knowing your legal rights series doesn't mean you know how to defend yourself in court.

  • Anna Caballero

    Legislator

    And so these attorneys have been critically important.

  • Anna Caballero

    Legislator

    So with that, SB 1194 bills on its success successful model. And with me to testify today is Jackie Gonzales, co executive director of immigrant defense advocacy. Thank you.

  • Jackie Gonzales

    Person

    Good morning, Chair members. One of the most pressing questions before our state over the last year is how best to navigate the uncertainty and harm caused by federal immigration policies. And while the intensity has certainly increased, these problems and challenges are not new. I would go so far as to say they transcend federal administration policies under both administrations. Seven years ago, under the first Trump administration, I stood before this legislature and pitched this fellowship.

  • Jackie Gonzales

    Person

    It is near and dear to my heart as a former practicing deportation defense attorney. I still remember how far people would travel from other parts of the state to talk to me. Five hours, three hours, and they did that to make sure that the advice that they were getting was reputable, honest, and they would have a fair assessment of their case. For some of those people, they were lucky enough to obtain pro bono representation.

  • Jackie Gonzales

    Person

    As you have seen over the last year, immigrants remain vulnerable to arbitrary arrests, inhumane detention, and all of this without due process due process.

  • Jackie Gonzales

    Person

    Immigration law is one of the most complex areas of the law. In fact, lawyers joke that after tax law, it's one of the most complicated areas. Even I refuse to give legal advice to anyone no longer practicing because the law changes every day. The need, as the Senator mentioned, is is especially urgent in rural and underserved parts of our state.

  • Jackie Gonzales

    Person

    Seven years ago, when we advocated for this fellowship, we provided data to this legislature that showed that the highest rates of enforcement in this state were exactly in the Central Coast and the Central Valley.

  • Jackie Gonzales

    Person

    This was not by mistake. It is by design. We need durable capacity, trained providers, and a pipeline of expertise to these areas that have been historically left behind. That's what this fellowship has begun to do. Today, when an individual or family needs representation or there is an unexpected rate in a community, we are far better prepared than we were seven years ago.

  • Jackie Gonzales

    Person

    These are the kinds of investments that the state should be making, not just to stabilize individuals, but families and entire economies. Thank you.

  • Ash Kalra

    Legislator

    Thank you. Is there anyone else here in support of SB 1194?

  • Abraham Badoy

    Person

    Good morning, Chair and members. My name is Abraham Badoy. I'm the California policy and government affairs manager with the Immigrant Legal Resource Center, proud support of SB 1194. We are also participants in the current iteration of the fellowship program. There's so much I could say, but I'm actually a, native, to the Central Valley.

  • Abraham Badoy

    Person

    I currently live in Stanislaus County, Modesto, California, and I could tell you firsthand how transformative the fellowship has been to provide legal services to regions like my own. And, we'll, continue to hopefully do so through this program. So strong support, and, let's make sure more, legal services come to the community.

  • Ash Kalra

    Legislator

    Thank you. You. We'll treat that as a second witness.

  • Janet Petin

    Person

    Janet, on behalf of the Coalition for Humane Immigrant Rights, or Chirla, in strong support.

  • Ash Kalra

    Legislator

    Thank you.

  • Zena Yaya

    Person

    Zena Yaya on behalf of ACLU Cal Action in strong support.

  • Ash Kalra

    Legislator

    Thank you.

  • Diego Zamayo

    Person

    Diego Zamayo, policy in term with Mesa Verde Group on behalf of Central American Regional Center. Caresin, strong support.

  • Ash Kalra

    Legislator

    Thank you. Is there anyone here in opposition to SB 1194? Back to committee, any questions or comments? Move the bill.

  • Ash Kalra

    Legislator

    We We have a motion. Is there a second? A motion in a second. I wanna thank you, Senator, for bringing this forward. I think those that choose to do these legal fellows that choose this work are truly angels in in our legal system.

  • Ash Kalra

    Legislator

    And, you know, it also provides them of a of a pathway towards a very fulfilling career in in using their law degree to really, you know, bring voice to those that are all too often voiceless. I'd like to close.

  • Anna Caballero

    Legislator

    Thank you very much. Mister Chair, I agree with you a 100%. Having legal services in the community has is transformational. It gives me a place to be able to send individuals that come in with some really serious issues and who have lived in this country for twenty five years, have worked, have miss citizen children. And I don't even try to give legal advice on on on it because it is so complicated.

  • Anna Caballero

    Legislator

    So respectfully ask for your aye vote.

  • Ash Kalra

    Legislator

    Thank you. And I also would like to be added as a co author, if that's okay. Yes. So Thank you.

  • Committee Secretary

    Motions do pass to appropriations. Kalra? Aye. Kalra, aye. Masato?

  • Committee Secretary

    No. Masato, no. Barag Hayhan. Brian Connolly? Aye.

  • Committee Secretary

    Connolly, aye. Dixon? No. Dixon, no. Harabedian.

  • Committee Secretary

    Pacheco?

  • Anna Caballero

    Legislator

    Aye.

  • Committee Secretary

    Pacheco, aye. Pappan Sanchez, Stephanie Zivert.

  • Ash Kalra

    Legislator

    K. I'll place that on call. Thank you. Thank you very much.

  • Zena Yaya

    Person

    Thank you very much.

  • Ash Kalra

    Legislator

    Alright. Item three, SB 957, Senator Perez. When whenever you're ready.

  • Sasha Perez

    Legislator

    Thank you. Good morning and-- good afternoon, actually, Mr. Chair and members. I am here to present SB 957, the Shield Act. SB 957 requires social media companies to notify individuals when the federal government seeks their personal information through an administrative subpoena. This bill also ensures that users have 30 days to respond or challenge the subpoena, requires companies to disclose what information was shared, and establishes reporting requirements to the Attorney General.

  • Sasha Perez

    Legislator

    Social media has become a critical tool for Californians to engage in activism, political expression, and information sharing. This is especially true now. Discussions around politics and government have been particularly prominent as communities across the state are responding to increased federal immigration enforcement. Community leaders and residents have organized to share updates about immigration enforcement activity, using social media platforms to track ICE presence, share alerts with their neighbors, and hold federal agencies accountable.

  • Sasha Perez

    Legislator

    Despite the federal and state constitutional right to freedom of speech, administrative subpoenas are being increasingly used by DHS to obtain information about individuals who operate accounts that post about or criticize ICE. These administrative subpoenas do not require judicial approval or probable cause, yet they can be used to obtain sensitive personal information like names, addresses, and phone numbers.

  • Sasha Perez

    Legislator

    We've already seen cases where individuals were targeted simply for expressing criticism of the federal government. For example, a New York Times article sites that in recent months, Google, Meta, Discord, and Reddit have received multiple subpoenas from DHS requesting identifying details of anonymous accounts that have spoken out against ICE or track the location of ICE agents. In another example, a man in Philadelphia was subpoenaed after sending an email to DHS criticizing their treatment of an asylum seeker. DHS agents and local police showed up to his home to interrogate him.

  • Sasha Perez

    Legislator

    The subpoena was challenged in federal court as a violation of the First Amendment, and the court ruled that subpoenas cannot be used to intimidate individuals who criticize federal agencies. While some social media companies have willingly provided notice to individuals, others have shared information without ever letting the user know their data was requested. The lack of transparency in these instances undermines trust, exposes individuals to potential retaliation, and discourages people from speaking out publicly.

  • Sasha Perez

    Legislator

    People should not be intimidated into silence out of fear that their personal information may be secretly shared to the federal government without their knowledge. SB 957 would protect user privacy and free speech by ensuring that Californians are notified and given a fair opportunity to challenge a subpoena before their information is disclosed.

  • Sasha Perez

    Legislator

    This bill is sponsored by the California Legislative LGBTQ Caucus and is supported by the ACLU California Action, the Electronic Frontier Foundation, Oakland Privacy, Public Counsel, and others. Today with me to provide testimony in support of this bill is Becca Cramer with Kaiser Advocacy, on behalf of the Electronic Frontier Foundation.

  • Ash Kalra

    Legislator

    Thank you.

  • Becca Cramer Mowder

    Person

    Hello. Becca Cramer with the Electronic Frontier Foundation in strong support. In the past year, the Trump Administration has consistently targeted people engaged in free speech. For example, ICE has issued administrative subpoenas to tech companies to unmask users tracking ICE activity, people who have criticized the government, and even those who have attended a protest. These ICE subpoenas are unlawful and the government knows it.

  • Becca Cramer Mowder

    Person

    Nearly every time a user has challenged one of these subpoenas in court in the past few months, ICE has withdrawn them. SB 957 offers very basic consumer protections. It requires social media companies to do two things that they should already be doing. First, companies must give their users prior notice of a subpoena. In order to challenge a lawless subpoena, users must first know about them.

  • Becca Cramer Mowder

    Person

    Many companies already promise to give this notice, but they don't always follow through. EFF's lawyers currently represent a PhD student whose data was turned over to ICE because Google didn't give him the notice that he was promised. Second, SB 957 requires companies to make sure that ICE subpoenas do not exceed the agency's authority and are not overly broad. Companies say that they already do this.

  • Becca Cramer Mowder

    Person

    For example, when EFF asked 10 tech companies to do more to protect their users from these subpoenas, one company replied, quote, we carefully review all legal process to ensure official validity and legal sufficiency, and we will object when appropriate. While this statement is a good start, a mere promise from a tech company is no longer enough. We need enforceable laws, which is why EFF strongly supports SB 957.

  • Ash Kalra

    Legislator

    Thank you. Is there anyone else here in support of SB 957?

  • Becca Cramer Mowder

    Person

    Bless you.

  • Blanca Pacheco

    Legislator

    Thank you.

  • Zeenat Yahya

    Person

    Hello again. Zeenat Yahya, on behalf of ACLU Cal Action and Oakland Privacy, in support.

  • Ash Kalra

    Legislator

    Thank you. Is there anyone here in opposition to SB 957?

  • Robert Boykin

    Person

    Sorry. There you go.

  • Robert Boykin

    Person

    Good morning, Chair and members. My name is Robert Boykin with TechNet. Here today in respectful opposition to SB 9570 as it is amended. To be clear from the start, our member companies understand the authors intent behind this bill. Therefore, we are proposing targeted amendments to minimize conflicts with federal and state laws, set clear notice standards, and define workable obligations for assessing subpoena validity.

  • Robert Boykin

    Person

    First, I'll link the duty to notify the company's confirmation that the subpoena is valid and that it plans to disclose information. So notice is required only after an actual decision is made, not beforehand. As currently written, the bill might suggest that notice is needed before the company even decides whether the subpoena is valid or whether it is or whether or not it will disclose anything. The obligation should only arise once the company confirms the subpoena's validity and its intent to disclose.

  • Robert Boykin

    Person

    An allowance for court ordered nondisclosure so the notice duties don't apply when a company is legally barred from disclosing a request.

  • Robert Boykin

    Person

    Let a court of competent jurisdiction set a different response window and replace it at a fixed 30 when circumstances warranted. Second, our amendments do remove sorry. Submitted amendments do remove section 15 or nine. However, we are open to a conversation around a clear exclusion so that when a company has a good faith belief that disclosure is needed to prevent imminent harm, it can act without the thirty day notice.

  • Robert Boykin

    Person

    Our member companies are most concerned with the addition of Section 15 or nine because most administrative subpoenas we received from DHS under that section involve child exploitation cases.

  • Robert Boykin

    Person

    Any thirty day tip-off in those cases puts a trial at a greater risk. Third, align the bill with California's existing Al ECPA framework rather than establishing a separate parallel regimen that applies only to certain companies. The bill authorizes enforcement by both the AG and private individual individuals, but does not clear the final scope of liability or the standards for compliance. This creates the uncertainty for regulated entities and increases litigation risk, particularly when companies must make complex legal determinations without adequate guidance.

  • Robert Boykin

    Person

    And fourth, give companies a single workable validity standard rather than ones they must apply under threat of liability.

  • Robert Boykin

    Person

    The bill asked companies to evaluate three separate undefined standards, procedurally improper, irrelevant, or immaterial, and two and two indefinite or abroad with no statutory guidance and liability for getting it wrong. We asked to remove those three and keep the clearest most administratable one whether the request was related to lawful authorized purpose. We included these specific statutory language in our letter for these for each of these, and we're committed to working with the author of this committee and the stakeholders moving forward to address these concerns.

  • Robert Boykin

    Person

    Thank you for your time today.

  • Ash Kalra

    Legislator

    Thank you. Is there anyone else here in opposition to SB 957? Bring it back to the committee. Any questions or comments? Assemblymember Pacheco.

  • Blanca Pacheco

    Legislator

    Thank you. To the author, thank it seems like some amendments were already taken to address some of the concerns. So I'm hoping more conversations can be held. It seems like the opposition is an opposing as amended, so there's a pathway of perfecting this bill. Just wondering you've had conversations with the opposition.

  • Blanca Pacheco

    Legislator

    Right?

  • Sasha Perez

    Legislator

    Yeah. So the opposition approached my office last minute, and so we reached out very early on to see if they had any feedback. And so there have been conversations with my staff. My staff actually proposed a solution. I wanna be very clear.

  • Sasha Perez

    Legislator

    Section 1509 of the terror fact of 1930 is a customs enforcement statute that was specifically designed for investigating duty payments on imported goods to catch smugglers. So I understand what he's raising around the child exploitation cases, but this goes beyond that. So we provided a solution. We didn't receive feedback in terms of what we were suggesting. And so I'm happy to have those discussions, but we need to continue talking.

  • Blanca Pacheco

    Legislator

    And thank you thank you for that. I am, of course, supporting your bill today, but I would like to see more conversations had. And I'll reserve my vote when it gets to the floor, but I'm sure I will be supporting it as well because I'm sure you will get to a good place. So thank you again for bringing this bill forward.

  • Ash Kalra

    Legislator

    Thank you. Do we have a motion?

  • Blanca Pacheco

    Legislator

    I will.

  • Ash Kalra

    Legislator

    The motion. Is there a second? A motion and a second. Thank you, Senator, as well for bringing this forward. Would you like to close?

  • Sasha Perez

    Legislator

    Respectfully ask for your Aye vote.

  • Ash Kalra

    Legislator

    Thank you.

  • Committee Secretary

    Motions due pass to appropriations. [Roll Call]

  • Ash Kalra

    Legislator

    Alright. Place that on call. Thank you. And we have item seven, SB 1103 as well.

  • Sasha Perez

    Legislator

    Thank you, Mister Chair and Members. I appreciate the work and effort of this committee staff in working with my office to work through amendments to address opposition reflected on pages six and ten of the analysis. The amendments will do the following, extend the amount of time that retailers have to submit documentation to the AG after being subpoenaed from seventy two hours to fourteen calendar days, incorporate a sunset date for 01/01/2030.

  • Sasha Perez

    Legislator

    SB 1103, the repair act, requires large home improvement retailers doing business in California to publicly report immigration enforcement activity occurring on their premises and to provide the attorney general with copies of any documentation gathered in the normal course of business within fourteen calendar days of receipt of an administrative subpoena. This bill will also require retailers to publicly disclose their policies on employee interactions with immigration authorities and whether they directly or indirectly share surveillance data with federal immigration agencies.

  • Sasha Perez

    Legislator

    Every morning across California, day laborers gather in the parking lots of large home improvement retailers, which have long served as informal hiring sites for workers seeking jobs from homeowners and contractors in need of labor. Recently, we have witnessed these same locations increasingly become targets for immigration enforcement activity. Authorities carrying out these rates have utilized deceptive and legally questionable tactics during raids, including showing up masked, driving unmarked vehicles, utilizing military style

  • Sasha Perez

    Legislator

    equipment, and otherwise racially profiling a predominantly Latino workforce.

  • Sasha Perez

    Legislator

    These racially profiling a predominantly Latino workforce. These dangerous practices have spread fear, chaos, and harm among workers, shoppers, and surrounding communities. Individuals who are simply seeking honest work and otherwise abiding by the law are being kidnapped in broad daylight. In many cases, they are seriously injured, and in some instances, they have lost their lives. This is an issue that has deeply impacted my district.

  • Sasha Perez

    Legislator

    In 2025, Carlos Roberto Montoya Valdez was seeking work in the parking lot of a Home Depot in Monrovia when an immigration enforcement rate occurred. He was chased and fled onto a nearby freeway where he was struck by a vehicle and later died from his injuries. Despite lives lost and communities terrorized, there has been no accountability taken for the actions that continue to occur on the premises of these companies.

  • Sasha Perez

    Legislator

    Even when there have been efforts to enforce basic constitutional protections, these orders have been ignored with little consequence. In April of this year, a federal judge of the Eastern District Of California ruled that agents again violated a court order by continuing to detain individuals without reasonable suspicion of any law violations, relying instead on generalized assumptions about daily prayers.

  • Sasha Perez

    Legislator

    We cannot allow these assaults to take more lives and continue to spread fear in our communities. As these actions have continued, there is little to no information available for the appropriate parties to pursue legal action against the aggressive and borderline delinquent behavior directed at largely innocent people. This includes information about when these enforcement actions occur, how they are conducted, or whether surveillance data collected on these premises is being shared with federal agencies.

  • Sasha Perez

    Legislator

    That lack of transparency creates fear, spreads misinformation, and undermines public safety for workers, businesses, and communities across the state, especially as efforts to curb these attacks have stalled. SB 1103 is a transparency and accountability measure to address that gap.

  • Sasha Perez

    Legislator

    Now I wanna note that my office has engaged in ongoing conversations with stakeholders and opposition. We are open to working collaboratively to address concerns. We've also accepted several amendments as well. Joining me to provide testimony today in support of this bill is Salvador Sarmiento, staff attorney and campaign director for the National Day Labor Organizing Network or Endelon, and Mister Pedro Giovanni Rossell, a volunteer from a local adopt a corner group in Pasadena.

  • Ash Kalra

    Legislator

    Thank you.

  • Giovanni Roselle

    Person

    Good morning. My name is Giovanni Roselle. I'm here with Endelon and as a member of Grupo Auto Defense at Pasadena, my local rapid response network. I volunteer at the Home Depot in Pasadena alongside countless members of the community. The work that volunteer volunteers do at Home Depot is centered around keeping the day laborers and our other neighbors, safe from the ongoing unconstitutional immigration rates.

  • Giovanni Roselle

    Person

    This work entails canvassing large retailers that have been the hot spots for these rates to get information about whether or not people were taken, who was taken, and how many people were taken. The aim of these raids is ultimately to instill a sense of fear and chaos in our community. Since the first wave of of raids, there has been a growing anxiety that day laborers, customers, and volunteers feel related to home I'm sorry. Related to retailers like Home Depot.

  • Giovanni Roselle

    Person

    Present with us today is a family who tragically lost their home in the Eaton fire.

  • Giovanni Roselle

    Person

    As they go through the process of trying to rebuild their home and restore the sense of home that they once had, they're confronted with the fear of going to Home Depot and other retailers in order to buy material, tools, and hire laborers. Jose and Maria's story are indicative of the compounding impacts that that Home Depot's uncooperative inaction have. To close, I'm part of a group of neighbors that's been showing up for our other neighbors. We're volunteers, and we're doing what we can.

  • Giovanni Roselle

    Person

    Day laborers are doing what they can, and we need these companies to do better, and we're calling on this body to act in order to make that happen.

  • Giovanni Roselle

    Person

    Thank you.

  • Ash Kalra

    Legislator

    Thank you.

  • Salvador Salmiento

    Person

    In the mic? Yes. Sorry. Sorry. You get the back.

  • Salvador Salmiento

    Person

    Sorry. You get the front. Sorry. So my name is Salvador Salmiento, staff attorney and National Campaign Legislative Director for the National Day Laborer Organizing Network. I'm gonna make two points, and I'll be brief.

  • Salvador Salmiento

    Person

    First, it's important to clarify that this didn't come out of the blue. Right? This is very much a response to what we've been seeing for a year and a half. We've all been appalled by the arrest, the abuses, the it's not just the rhetoric, but the directives of the fanatical, you know, of Stephen Miller, etcetera.

  • Salvador Salmiento

    Person

    About six months ago, our legal team with the facilitation of the mayor of Los Angeles, Bass, met with vice presidents of Home Depot and and members of the general counsel, to ask minimal information to show good faith about where rates have if they could confirm where some of the rates had happened.

  • Salvador Salmiento

    Person

    Their response was that they cannot confirm that rates have taken place on their stores. So this is very much a response to the inaction of some of these major stores. Like our friend from Pasadena said, folks are doing what they can. The cities are doing what they can. Volunteers, neighbors are doing what they can.

  • Salvador Salmiento

    Person

    We need Home Depot to do better. As the Senator mentioned, we've tried to be very flexible because we need these stores to do something. Right? Everybody's doing the best we can in this crazy time that we live. We need these stores to do something, and we think this legislation is something modest.

  • Salvador Salmiento

    Person

    It's something concrete. And given the moment that we're in, it's something that will move the ball forward. Given the moment we're in again, what we're asking for is very, very specific and modest. We're asking for these stores to share, share with the community what it is that they already know, and we've tried to be flexible. We've provided a lot of clarifications, amendments in Senate judiciary where we we're amending again, before this committee, to make clear that there's no additional duties for the employees.

  • Salvador Salmiento

    Person

    They don't need to interact with federal enforcement. This is already information that these stores already have. We're just asking them to share it with the public, with the community. So I think it it's a question of public safety, and trust in the community. These are our local home and from a source.

  • Salvador Salmiento

    Person

    Thank you so much.

  • Ash Kalra

    Legislator

    Thank you. Is there anyone else here in support of SB 1103?

  • Fatima Garcia

    Person

    Hi, committee. My name is Fatima Garcia. I'm here with the Sembrando Semillas Day Laborer Worker Center here in Sacramento, and we are in full support, and we hope that you support us today.

  • Ash Kalra

    Legislator

    Thank you.

  • Maria Rivera

    Person

    Hi. Hi. Good morning. My name is Maria Rivera. I am here support of LA.

  • Ash Kalra

    Legislator

    Thank you.

  • Unidentified Speaker 021

    Hello. My name is Jose Rivera. I'm from Martadena, and I'm here to support the bill. Thank you.

  • Unidentified Speaker 009

    Hi. My name is Ricardo Milo. I'm from Pasadena. I appoint you this one.

  • Ash Kalra

    Legislator

    Thank you.

  • Skyler Wanaka

    Person

    Hello. My name is Jose Madera. I'm director of the Pasadena Community Job Center, also part of the Dina Raise Up Coalition, and I support this bill. Thank you.

  • Ash Kalra

    Legislator

    Thank you.

  • Alexandra Macedo

    Legislator

    Mister Chair members, Sarah Flock, California Federation of Labor Unions in support.

  • Ash Kalra

    Legislator

    Thank you.

  • Unidentified Speaker 018

    Zenit Yaya on behalf of ACLU Cal Action in support.

  • Ash Kalra

    Legislator

    Thank you.

  • Unidentified Speaker 005

    Jeanette Sanik Patina on behalf of the Coalition for Humane and Immigrant Rights or Chirla in strong support.

  • Ash Kalra

    Legislator

    Thank you.

  • Unidentified Speaker 011

    Diego Samayoa, interim with Mesa Verde Group here on behalf of Carrecin and, Inclusive Action for the City in support.

  • Ash Kalra

    Legislator

    Thank you. Is there anyone here in opposition to SB 1103?

  • Ryan Allain

    Person

    Good afternoon. I think, I think it's just noon right now. Ryan Elaine on behalf of the California Retailers Association in respectful opposition to SB 113. I wanna mention my colleague with the chamber would be here today as well, but he's sick. So he's given a me too in his his absence.

  • Ryan Allain

    Person

    First, I'd like to recognize the profound negative impact that immigration enforcement activities have had on employees, customers, and our communities. And I gotta say the example given by the Senator regarding Carlos Roberto Montoya Valdez is absolutely gut wrenching, and my sympathy goes out to all those impacted. CRA opposes SB 113 for a few reasons. First, principally, we all oppose, statewide public policy, effectively directed at two companies.

  • Ryan Allain

    Person

    We believe this bill places two retailers in the middle of state and Federal Government fights to surveil the Federal Government's activities, and maintain a daily log on their websites of immigration enforcement.

  • Ryan Allain

    Person

    We appreciate the committee's analysis recommending that the online daily log be removed from the retailer's website, and moved under the AG's, authority and website. Additionally, we appreciate the amendments to place the sunset, on this bill and extend the time to comply with the administrative subpoena for, from seventy two hours to fourteen days. We further believe it'll be difficult for retailers to determine when an immigration enforcement activity occurs as they're often dressed in plain clothes.

  • Ryan Allain

    Person

    Also, the definition of premises is expansive to include the adjacent walkways, not on the retailer's property. This causes compliance issues outside the retailer's control.

  • Ryan Allain

    Person

    We appreciate the Senator and the committee's work, on this to get this bill, moving in more positive direction, but, the California Retailers Association must remain in opposition. Thank you.

  • Ash Kalra

    Legislator

    Thank you. Is there anyone else here in opposition to SB 113?

  • Skyler Wanaka

    Person

    Good afternoon, Mister Chair, Member, Skyler Wanaka on behalf of the California Business Properties Association in respectful opposition.

  • Ash Kalra

    Legislator

    Thank you. I'm bringing back to committee. Any questions or comments? Madam Vice Chair?

  • Alexandra Macedo

    Legislator

    Thank you, Mister Chair. I wanna thank you for bringing this forward, and I'm so sorry for everything that you guys have experienced. I do share some of the concerns of retailers that I'm hoping you can clarify for me. So as it stands right now, there has to be a link on the retailer's website. But that I mean, this being California law, a lot and these are national real retailers.

  • Alexandra Macedo

    Legislator

    So are you expecting this to be on their national website? Because there's not, like, a California specific one or, you know, my Tulare Home Depot doesn't have its own website. No.

  • Sasha Perez

    Legislator

    This this bill is California specific, so it would apply only to Home Depots that are located here in the state. So nowhere across the nation.

  • Alexandra Macedo

    Legislator

    But it would have to be on the national company's website.

  • Sasha Perez

    Legislator

    Yes. I mean, the goal would be basically to indicate whether or not a raid has occurred at a Home Depot and the location of that Home Depot. And so that's part of the discussion that we've been having. And I think part of what the sponsors really wanna see here is transparency with that data. So when these activities are occurring on the premises of a Home Depot or another location, that that information is being made public.

  • Sasha Perez

    Legislator

    It's really critical, especially as folks search for their family members. But, yes, that is how we would envision this operating and that it would be, for example, the Home Depot and Tulare, that it would list that Home Depot and Tulare, and it would say whether or not a raid has occurred in that location. And I don't know if my sponsors wanna speak at all to that. But

  • Alexandra Macedo

    Legislator

    Well, I mean, I would just think that maybe a California specific website that people can reference would be more appropriate for something like this to put where they are happening. I just struggle with a California specific rule or California specific immigration policy affecting a national home page? And then to add on to that, you know, how long do they have to keep it on this website? When can they bring that down?

  • Alexandra Macedo

    Legislator

    Because I know there's a sunset, but I don't believe the sunset applies to these postings.

  • Alexandra Macedo

    Legislator

    Or are they supposed to leave them on until 2030a?

  • Sasha Perez

    Legislator

    I think the sunset applies to the entire bill. So it would sunset I believe we set it is it 2020. 2029? And so that's when that information would come down. So and, you know, while I can appreciate this concern and if I was a member of Congress, we would be doing this federally and I'd be introducing legislation.

  • Sasha Perez

    Legislator

    You know, our our stores here operating in California have to navigate our different laws that we have here in the state versus other states all the time.

  • Alexandra Macedo

    Legislator

    So various states. So But the link would stay up then until 2029. So if something happened tomorrow at Tulare Home Depot, god, please no. But then it would have to stay all the way until 2029 under this current bill is what you're saying.

  • Salvador Salmiento

    Person

    I think one of the things that I think was we've been really, really open with the opposition, and the Senator has gone more so than out of her way to to we're really open. And so if there's really if there's you know, we're we took amendments, the Senate judiciary. We're taking amendments here because if there's you know, every right now, everything will sunset at at the the sunset date.

  • Salvador Salmiento

    Person

    But, you know, if there's concrete specific ways that we can make it better, we are more than willing. Right?

  • Salvador Salmiento

    Person

    We it's got our position is, like, we need these stores to do something. Right? Even to just sharing what information they have would be a big game changer for the neighborhoods around these stores. And so if there was concrete specific ways that we can make it better, for example, if that's impractical, that's something super specific. And that for example, that we're trying to address some of the things that were brought up for this committee, the next committee hearing is, is privacy.

  • Salvador Salmiento

    Person

    Right? And so that I was you know, that there's a lot of questions related to the website that we know are gonna come up for privacy, and that's that, you know, that's a really specific one that could as well.

  • Alexandra Macedo

    Legislator

    Well, and Vice Chair privacy as well. So I guess we can discuss it there a little bit more. But from the retailer's point of view, is I mean, is it even feasible from to put it on a national website? I mean, leaving that kind of information up. I did go to Home Depot's website And I see that they do have a tab about immigration related questions and answering the questions about the parking lots and things like that.

  • Alexandra Macedo

    Legislator

    But from the retailer's perspective, I mean, is there a way to make this better, I guess?

  • Ryan Allain

    Person

    Yeah. The and I appreciate the question and and kinda appreciate the the goal of what's what's what's this bill is intending for. I think a lot of, like, the websites, when you go to, like, the the one of the retailers websites, it'll have the national page and then the individual store for products.

  • Ryan Allain

    Person

    And so I think our members are Kinda trying to see where would we put that in the store or the page for the products, like, and then how is that gonna like, if where Kinda, like, figuring that out. That's why I think we appreciate the the recommendation of putting it moving that Kinda towards the eight g side, because he already collects that data, collects information, and having it in in his realm, as, like, one single space.

  • Ryan Allain

    Person

    I based on the data that would be given via a an administrative subpoena, to them, I think that would probably be we would recognize that as a better place for that to be.

  • Alexandra Macedo

    Legislator

    Okay. Well, I look forward to that ongoing conversation. And then my next question is, you had mentioned, you know, sometimes these people are in plain clothes, so it's Kinda hard to decipher. And when the bill says to report immigration enforcement activity, but that Kinda depends on knowing which agency is involved in the purpose of the enforcement action. So for an employee, I think it's a very difficult thing to, you know, decide on or to verify who they are.

  • Alexandra Macedo

    Legislator

    So, like, are in this I mean, from the I have the question goes to the retailer specifically. If this goes in as implemented, would you guys expect employees to go and approach these maybe, maybe not law enforcement officers?

  • Ryan Allain

    Person

    Yeah. That's a concern that our members have said to us and the the definition of immigration enforcement activity and and what that mean in order to comply with the administrative subpoena, should it say, let us know what immigration enforcement activities happen For us to confirm that, it's gonna be hard for us to do it via video surveillance. We might not know if it's an undercover operation from a state agency. It could be a sting operation of some other thing, just on the video alone.

  • Ryan Allain

    Person

    And I know there were strides to made to protect employees in this space, but just still how it is in order to comply with it and not give the wrong information.

  • Ryan Allain

    Person

    Because if we give information that may not be an immigration enforcement activity, that could cause unnecessary fear in the community as well. So that's something in order to verify it. They're saying that we may have to have employees see and go look to see who is actually providing this, this rate.

  • Sasha Perez

    Legislator

    Okay. And I do just wanna mention, I know that was a concern raised early on by the opposition. I've sat down and I've had conversations directly with Home Depot as well. I wanna make very clear there is no desire, no way, shape, or form that I would want for employees of big box stores to be having interactions with whether it's ICE, DHS, CBP. You know, that is not at all something that we're seeking in this bill.

  • Sasha Perez

    Legislator

    This is about the data that they're collecting through, flock camera systems that have been installed at many of these locations in order to, address shoplifting and to also use video evidence when they are able to verify that there is immigration enforcement activity happening. I recognize, and we've talked about this as well, that it is hard to discern in some cases whether or not something is immigration enforcement activity or not.

  • Sasha Perez

    Legislator

    And so there is going to be some, you know, discretion that they're gonna have to exercise in determining whether or not to share that information. And I think the sponsors recognize that as well. There's just a desire here to create some transparency with what is happening at these locations and for us to begin collecting data.

  • Sasha Perez

    Legislator

    But we've tried to make very clear in addition through the amendments that we do not want employees having those types of interactions at all.

  • Alexandra Macedo

    Legislator

    Yeah. I totally agree with that. I just from an employee safety standpoint and even from, you know, making sure they feel comfortable in the workplace, trying to figure out how we can avoid that interaction completely for employees. And then my final concern was also with the premises issue that you had mentioned of, you know, including parking lots, public walkways, and things like that that I just don't think it's the employee's responsibility to be, you know, sidewalk monitors or parking lot monitors.

  • Alexandra Macedo

    Legislator

    And at the end of the day, I also on this the Home Depot website, it does explain it being a public area.

  • Alexandra Macedo

    Legislator

    So is there you know, I'd love to hear from you guys what your solution would be as far as how you can achieve what the Senator is wanting to do, but also, you know, understanding those are public areas and not sending out people into unsafe areas like parking lots or public sidewalks.

  • Ryan Allain

    Person

    Yeah. I think the the premises definition, as mentioned, the adjacent sidewalks and the parking lots. And I think, like, a part of it what I could interpreting is where does the parking lot end if it's a big shopping center, like, with a big mall, how far does that extend? I know my folks some other folks I've talked to, like, the property owners as well that own these, they're kind of like, well, those aren't your cameras that are over there.

  • Ryan Allain

    Person

    They might be on the other side of our parking lot.

  • Ryan Allain

    Person

    I think, there could possibly be a voice, like, narrow it down to specifically actually, I don't I gotta actually talk to my members on that because that's just something they look at it like, we don't really quite know how to comply. But I know they're having conversation. We're having conversations with the Senator to see how that can be workable.

  • Alexandra Macedo

    Legislator

    And maybe, like, setting a radius from, you know, the front door or something like that because, you know, a lot of these are in large shopping centers that how do you hold somebody accountable if they don't have access to the cameras and things like that. Have do you have any solutions to that?

  • Sasha Perez

    Legislator

    Yeah. I mean, the the data we're referring to in my bill is data that is owned by these big box stores. So it's through their cameras. We're not seeking for them to tap into any other cameras or devices that are outside of their ownership. In addition to that, and I think all of us have seen this now because we've seen so many of these rates occur either online or on, you know, television and seen videos of them.

  • Sasha Perez

    Legislator

    Most of them do occur in public parking lots. Parking lots are considered public spaces. That's why immigration enforcement rates happen there. That's why they have the legal right to do so. But for many of these parking lots, there are cameras installed for loss prevention.

  • Sasha Perez

    Legislator

    There is a flock data cameras that are installed to collect in case, somebody steals an item, they try to get away. And so that's information that we're trying to tap into. Okay.

  • Alexandra Macedo

    Legislator

    I think that there's workable things to make this bill better. I can't support today, but I do appreciate you all being here today. And to the people in the audience that came, thank you for being here as well.

  • Ash Kalra

    Legislator

    Assembly Member Zbur.

  • Rick Chavez Zbur

    Legislator

    So first, I wanna thank you for bringing the bill. It is has, you know, righteous goals, obviously. I remember at one point, you know, when all of this ICE enforcement activity was happening in my district, it was happening almost every week in the in, you know, at the Home Depot in my district, almost every week. I will tell you, though, that also at that time, we were getting a lot of my district staff was out there.

  • Rick Chavez Zbur

    Legislator

    We were getting a lot of cooperation from the store management.

  • Rick Chavez Zbur

    Legislator

    They were giving us information. They were cooperating with us. They didn't like this happening in their in their parking lots. I mean, they, you know, the episode of being put out of crosshairs. And so I think the you know, I'm just gonna support the bill today because, obviously, I know that the, that the goals are good.

  • Rick Chavez Zbur

    Legislator

    But I really would encourage you to continue working with, the retailers I met with, with both Home Depots and Lowe's on this issue a number of months back. And I think a lot of what they were concerned about was two things.

  • Rick Chavez Zbur

    Legislator

    One is, having to comply in ways where they just didn't have the ability to do without putting their own employees in harm's way, you know, going out and, you know, what what's what's happening in these and as you all know, I mean, I you know, I you know, the reason why you're bringing this is is righteous. I mean, you had, like, thugs that are coming into these parking lots. It's often you don't even know who they are.

  • Rick Chavez Zbur

    Legislator

    They're coming in in vans with vests without any uniforms, with guns, putting people in vans. And the last thing that the retailer wants is to have to go send their employees out there and figure out what, you know, what's happening. So I Aye, you know, Aye, ask you to continue working with, with the with with the with the retailers and the, and the, with the retailers, to really try to deal with these sort of implementation issues.

  • Rick Chavez Zbur

    Legislator

    I'm making sure and I know you don't really want to put employees in harm's way, but making sure that it's very clear that what is being reported is what they have access to, that it's their own cameras, that it's not, you know, outside the boundaries of the store, dealing with the shared parking lot issues.

  • Rick Chavez Zbur

    Legislator

    And then I also think the I went through after I met with the retailers, I went actually went on to one of their websites, and I was trying it's a national website.

  • Rick Chavez Zbur

    Legislator

    So I was trying to figure out how you actually report these daily logs and how they would even do that in some kind of timely way. So I do think that's a real issue. I do think that potentially, providing that information to the attorney general and having the attorney general put that on a website is probably a better approach. So I'd ask you to consider doing that.

  • Rick Chavez Zbur

    Legislator

    You know, I think ultimately, you know, we we do want then I guess the last issue is is about sort of the targeting and I of two two entities.

  • Rick Chavez Zbur

    Legislator

    The reality is ICE agents are on these parking lots more than they are other piece. So I think we can't ignore that fact, but they're also doing this to other things too. I mean, we were having raids in car washes in my district. So, you know, I I would sort of think carefully about the scope of the bill as well. And, you know, just wanna thank all of you and and and the retailers for trying to come to a place where we're providing good information.

  • Rick Chavez Zbur

    Legislator

    I think that, ultimately, what we wanna do is make sure that as much information as it can be provided is being given to the attorney general and potentially DAs. We also wanna know when when things are happening on parking lots that are not ICE enforcement. If people are coming in on a parking lot that's not ICE enforcement, obviously, that's something that's, you know, the public needs to know, you know. So, anyway, I'm supporting the bill today.

  • Rick Chavez Zbur

    Legislator

    Just wanna thank you and and encourage you to continue working with the with the opponents of the bill because I do think some of the some of the issues they're raising are legitimate ones.

  • Ash Kalra

    Legislator

    Assembly Member Dixon.

  • Diane Dixon

    Legislator

    Thank you, Mister Chair. Just listening to the discussion about this, I would like to think we could look at the root cause. The people who are the ice is going interacting with And you talk about the day laborers. So you represent day laborers. I mean, they're not going to be working for Lowe's or Home Depot.

  • Diane Dixon

    Legislator

    Correct? They're working looking for people driving by to give them a job, or what is the purpose of them aggregating congregating on public or private? Some parking lots are private and privately owned. So can they avoid putting themselves at risk? Or or if you're representing them, I just see your organization as the National Day Laborers organizing network.

  • Diane Dixon

    Legislator

    Great. Providing leadership to people. They're looking for jobs. I think that's important. But to be on private property or public rights of way and putting themselves at risk as well as employees of these retailers, to me is unwise.

  • Diane Dixon

    Legislator

    And then the people I mean, the real targets these retailers are being targeted to do this additional compliance proposal when it's they're not even hiring these people. It's their customers perhaps who are hiring these people who are congregating on street corners, who are looking for lower wage people to work, sadly. I mean, that's really the target. That's the root cause if somebody is driving that demand for those workers.

  • Diane Dixon

    Legislator

    If you have a place where you're organized, that's where people should congregate and not put themselves at risk.

  • Diane Dixon

    Legislator

    I think it's bad for the employees of the retailers. It's bad for the day laborers themselves that they're setting themselves up as as easy targets. Don't be in a major retailer and find ways that you could find opportunities maybe to help them get a work permit. Ultimately, you're organized. Help them get a work permit.

  • Diane Dixon

    Legislator

    Help them go through a process so they don't put themselves at risk. But to put the burden because we they're there. Help them be successful in getting work that's perhaps through a work permit. I mean, that's a complicated long process. I get that.

  • Diane Dixon

    Legislator

    But, why put the burden on the retailers when people are looking for work? And maybe there's a way to help go through a process that keeps them safe. The employees safe, private property safe, and the people who are work looking for work safe. And I don't even know if they are illegal or undocumented. Maybe they're just workers, and they're they have work permits.

  • Diane Dixon

    Legislator

    So help them be safe. That's, I guess, my position on the bill. Thank you.

  • Salvador Salmiento

    Person

    Can I?

  • Ash Kalra

    Legislator

    Yeah. Be very, very, very, briefly.

  • Salvador Salmiento

    Person

    Yeah. I appreciatet he earnest question. I mean, I that question goes back. As long as there's been home improvement stores and contractors and homeowners that go to home improvement stores, there's been day laborers. There's plaques in New York and West Massachusetts of the Jewish day laborers centers, the Italian day laborers.

  • Salvador Salmiento

    Person

    Right? As long as there's folks on that end, the low income end of our economy, it's an ecosystem of contractors. The day laborers themselves are also Home Depot customers. They wouldn't be going folks don't go to Home Depot because it's their first choice of of job searches. Right?

  • Salvador Salmiento

    Person

    They're going because there's a market there. And a lot of homeowners they themselves are customers of Home Depot And, also, a lot of homeowners, contractors that are Home Depot's huge customer base, also, a a huge segment of the construction industry is subsidized by day laborers across the country as well. But it's really what you're pointing to. It's real.

  • Diane Dixon

    Legislator

    There's a solution there somewhere long term complicated, but Yeah. It's really what you're trying to do.

  • Ash Kalra

    Legislator

    Any other questions or comments? I will just say a couple of things. One is it's not asking any of these retailers do anything more than what they do in the ordinary course of business. It it you don't if you don't have a camera in a certain area, you don't have to have patrols walking around to see what's going on. So let's make it very clear.

  • Ash Kalra

    Legislator

    This is just asking if you would happen to have that information provided. And, look, we have rapid rapid response networks that are made up of volunteers that are very basically trained that can identify very quickly if someone is ICE or not. They post up. If there's concerns with community, it's literally online within an hour. Oh, that wasn't ICE.

  • Ash Kalra

    Legislator

    That was a retail theft response or that was a a drug operation. And these are highly sophisticated stores that have highly sophisticated surveillance protocols to respond to retail theft. I worked at Orchard by Hardware back in the nineteen eighties. Everything is meticulously recorded. If you everything is is documented by managers.

  • Ash Kalra

    Legislator

    Any law enforcement that shows up for any reason to suggest that somehow, like, oh, yeah. We're just gonna not pay attention to what's happening on our property or in front of our premises. It's just not what's happening in reality. These stores are are have very sophisticated protocols on how they record things and how they document things. So if you to suggest that somehow there's law enforcement activity of any kind on their premises and they have no idea about it, it's just not reality.

  • Ash Kalra

    Legislator

    What this bill is asking is if you have that information, hand that over. If you have it on your cameras, hand it over. Not if someone across the street has it. It it's quite simple in that sense. And I get the idea of putting on the AG site, but the reality is not everyone's gonna go to the AG site.

  • Ash Kalra

    Legislator

    Like, you know, I when you go to your Home Depot or those sites, I just did a moment ago, it tells you the closest location. They know which ones are in California. And I get this. Some of the immigrant enforcement organizations may may know to go to the AG site, but not everyone that is curious or wants to know if there's activity at that particular Home Depot or Lowe's is gonna know to do that.

  • Ash Kalra

    Legislator

    That's why the most accessible and common sense place is for these to be on the websites of those particular stores or corporations.

  • Ash Kalra

    Legislator

    And they know, you know, they're highly sophisticated. They they'll be able to put a link or some information based upon what store you're looking up because it's closest to you, that's where you're gonna pick up your product or go to to find something is is something that absolutely can be done. And I would just end by saying that you can't have it both ways.

  • Ash Kalra

    Legislator

    For many, many, many years, all of us have had the experience of going to these stores, and we've spent many billions of dollars over many, many years at these very profitable stores going there. And we all know that they're the day laborers there.

  • Ash Kalra

    Legislator

    These stores have had no problem with that because, ultimately, it's an amenity that they're offering. But the way it may not be they may not be their employees, but the fact that they that people know that not only can you get your hardware products from these stores, but you can also get someone that's a day laborer there. They've never charged them for loitering or trespassing. Why?

  • Ash Kalra

    Legislator

    Because it's an attraction for people coming not only looking for supplies, but looking for workers to help get their jobs done.

  • Ash Kalra

    Legislator

    So let's be very clear that that's the reason why there have been that there are day laborers at these sites. And to to to make it to to distinguish from, and I agree there are issues of car wash in the places, is that this is a in a a place that specifically attracts folks to be hired by third parties.

  • Ash Kalra

    Legislator

    And they have highly sophisticated surveillance systems for anti theft that are already in place where they're gonna capture a lot of information that is being asked for through this bill. So I would just ask that these retailers understand that you can't have it both ways. You can't, you know, ask our immigrant community, some of which who are undocumented, to offer an amenity to your customers and then turn a blind eye when they're being targeted, harassed, and arrested by the Federal Government.

  • Ash Kalra

    Legislator

    I would like to be added as a coauthor. Would you like to close?

  • Sasha Perez

    Legislator

    Thank you so much, Mister Chair. I really appreciate your comments and and everything you just shared. I don't think I could have said it better myself. And I just also wanna thank the Assembly Members, Assembly Member Macedo Dixon and, Karla, Zbur for their questions and their comments too.

  • Sasha Perez

    Legislator

    We are facing an unusual moment in this country and in this moment in history, and it's requiring us to think, creatively about how we respond and make sure that we're not just keeping our immigrant communities safe, but that we're keeping members of the public safe.

  • Sasha Perez

    Legislator

    And these questions about data, about transparency, how our information is being used are all very real. And so that is what we are working to address with this bill, and we will continue to work with the opposition and respectfully ask your Aye vote.

  • Ash Kalra

    Legislator

    Thank you, Senator. And for the record, the amendments being accepted are the fourteen days to respond to subpoena and the sunset. Those are the only amendments that we're asking that are being accepted today, and we do need a motion. I'll second.

  • Committee Secretary

    Motion is motion is due passes amended. Motion is due passes amended to privacy and consumer protection. [Roll Call]

  • Ash Kalra

    Legislator

    Alright. We'll place that on the call. And we'll return we'll adjourn until 01:30PM, Room 447. We have a special item of business, and we have one other bill that we'd have to two other bills to hear. Yeah.

  • Ash Kalra

    Legislator

    Alright. We're gonna, reconvene, you know, Semi Judiciary Committee. And, we have an item a special order of business for SB 623, Umberg and Pappen. And we do have Chair Umberg here with us, and it looks like we have witnesses here with us as well. So whenever you're ready, you may begin.

  • Thomas Umberg

    Legislator

    Alright. Mister Chair. Thank you, Mister Chair and member. I'm I'm here to present SB 623, which is authored by myself and Assemblymember Pappen. First, due to the hard and good work of the various stakeholders, they reached a compromise, which is a fair compromise, a compromise that creates a system that's safe, fair, accountable by protecting patients from unnecessary treatment or getting overcharged, ensuring access to medical care and legal representation, and strengthens, ride share safety measures.

  • Thomas Umberg

    Legislator

    Just to briefly summarize what the compromise does, what the bill does, it provides that for accidents occurring after 01/01/2027, if a plaintiff receives treatment from a lien based medical provider, the plaintiff generally cannot recover more than 70 more than the seventieth percentile is shown in the Fair Health database for that particular service in that geographic area. Charges above this amount cannot be collected.

  • Thomas Umberg

    Legislator

    The court, however, can approve a higher amount if the plaintiff proves by clear and convincing evidence that the treatment was exceptionally rare or highly specialized, and and there's no comparable provider or service available, requires standardized itemization of all lien based medical bills. A lien based care provider sells their lien to a third party. The maximum amount the third party can recover is the consideration paid by the third party to the lien based provider for the assignment.

  • Thomas Umberg

    Legislator

    Makes it unlawful for an attorney representing a person under a contingency fee agreement to refer the client to a health care provider in which an attorney or family member has a direct ownership interest, makes it unlawful for an attorney to receive kickback or fee split for referring a client to a lien based provider, or provide bonuses or other remuneration to for referring a client to a lien based provider, prohibits attorneys from charging an additional contingency fee, administrative fee, management fee, or other fee based on reducing or resolving client's medical lien.

  • Thomas Umberg

    Legislator

    Also, provides for several forms, in the ride share industry in order to protect passengers and create greater accountability. Requires an initial background check before activating a ride share driver and annual annual background checks thereafter. Adds additional crimes like violating a restraining order and child abuse, the list of crimes that disqualifies a potential ride share driver, and also importantly, expressly allows women drivers to request women passengers and women passengers to request women drivers only.

  • Thomas Umberg

    Legislator

    With me here to testify, are several witnesses, miss Ramona Prieto as well as, captain Doug's captain Doug Salazar, formerly the Second Airborne, now coincidentally president of the California Association of Consumer Attorneys.

  • Ash Kalra

    Legislator

    Thank you.

  • Doug Seltzer

    Person

    Chair and members, thank you. My name is Doug Seltzer, and I'm here on behalf of consumer attorneys of California, proud sponsor of SB 623. ThiS Bill represents a joint agreement between CAOC and Uber that protects patients and makes Californians safer. The bill does two things that relate to ride shares. First, SB 623 offers safety protection.

  • Doug Seltzer

    Person

    The bill adopts a clear statutory authorization for women's riders and driver preferences. SB 623 also expands background checks and requires annual rescreening for drivers. Second, when someone is injured in a crash, they often require emergency or specialized care. Providers often treat these patients without requiring payment upfront, recovering later from any settlement or judgment. That is called medical lien.

  • Doug Seltzer

    Person

    That access to care matters, especially for people who can't pay out of pocket. At times, however, those Lien based bills come in far above the ordinary cost of the same care, and it's the injured person who pays. The fact those bills are now being sold on a secondary market makes the problem worse. Private equity and hedge funds buy them at a steep discount and turn around and collect the full inflated amount. That's money flowing to Wall Street investors, not patients.

  • Doug Seltzer

    Person

    SB 623 stops that. It anchors lean recovery to fair health, an independent nationally trusted database of what providers charge. This bill caps recovery at seventieth percentile, a ceiling that sits high enough so these vulnerable patients keep their access to care, and no patient can ever be held personally liable for amounts above what is allowed in court. We appreciate the opportunity to bring this bill forward on an expedited basis, Respectfully ask your support, and we wouldn't be here without my fellow here, Leanne Tratt.

  • Ash Kalra

    Legislator

    Thank you. Let

  • Doug Seltzer

    Person

    So thank you.

  • Thomas Umberg

    Legislator

    let me add to my testimony. I may have, misspoken. Scott Jelowick is the primary witness, and with support from miss Ramona Prieto and also for technical support, miss Leanne Tratt. Thank you.

  • Ash Kalra

    Legislator

    Thank you.

  • Ramona Prieto

    Person

    Yes. Thank you for that clarification, and thank you everybody for your time this afternoon. I realize this come together rather quickly, and we are very grateful to have the opportunity to talk today. My name is Ramona Prieto, and I lead the public policy team at Uber, and I am joined by my colleague, Scott Jalic, who leads complex litigation for the company. And I'm here today in support of SB 623.

  • Ramona Prieto

    Person

    Namely, it addresses a problem that has grown increasingly common in the medical lien space. While medical liens can help facilitate treatment following an accident, the current system can also produce charges that bear little relationship to what is typically billed for the same care. When that happens, injured people ultimately bear the cost of a system that lacks consistent standards and transparency.

  • Ramona Prieto

    Person

    SB 623 establishes an objective benchmark for lean based medical charges using Fair Health, a nationally recognized and independent database that reflects what providers actually charge for similar services. The bill creates a clear and predictable standard while preserving flexibility for extraordinary circumstances.

  • Ramona Prieto

    Person

    The bill further addresses the growing practice of selling and financing medical Liens by tying recoverable amounts to the actual economics of the transaction and requiring disclosure of Lien transfers. SB 623 helps ensure that financial arrangements are transparent and that person's recovery remains with them. In addition, SB 623 contains important ethics provisions that prohibit conflicts of interest and undisclosed financial relationships in connection with Lien based treatment. Finally, the bill includes meaningful safety investments for drivers and riders.

  • Ramona Prieto

    Person

    It deepens background checks and provides clear statutory authorization for women, riders, and drivers as mentioned earlier by Senator Umberg.

  • Ramona Prieto

    Person

    This balance reform measures focused this balance reform measure focused on transparency, consumer protection, accountability, and safety. It establishes clear rules, protects injured Californians from inflated charges, and brings greater confidence to a system that affects thousands of Californians every year. For those reasons, we respectfully ask your aye vote. Thank you for the time.

  • Ash Kalra

    Legislator

    Thank you. Is there anyone else here in support of SB 623?

  • Ramona Prieto

    Person

    Good afternoon. Andrea Lent on behalf of the California Chamber of Commerce in support.

  • Ash Kalra

    Legislator

    Thank you.

  • Annalee Akin

    Person

    Thank you, Mister Chair and members. Annalee Augustine with the Civil Justice Association of California. Pleased to support and hope this is a first step in broader form too. Thank you.

  • Ash Kalra

    Legislator

    Thank you.

  • Stuart Thompson

    Person

    Mister Chair, members, Stuart Thompson, on behalf of California Medical Association. We're officially neutral, on this bill, but we are supportive of this bill moving through the process. We believe it's a fair compromise. I wanna thank all the stakeholders for involving us in these negotiations. Thank you.

  • Ash Kalra

    Legislator

    Thank you. Is there anyone here in opposition to SB 623? Okay. We'll bring it back to committee. Any questions or comments?

  • Ash Kalra

    Legislator

    Yes. It's something member Pacheco.

  • Blanca Pacheco

    Legislator

    I just want to commend and I want to thank both sides for reaching this compromise. This is amazing. I think now we can stop seeing all the commercials from both sides. I think we're all gonna be happy about that. But congratulations.

  • Blanca Pacheco

    Legislator

    And this is so amazing that I would love to be added as a co author. So thank you.

  • Ash Kalra

    Legislator

    Thank you. Anyone else? I I also wanna thank you, Senator Umberg, and I also wanna add my thanks to all the parties, particular the consumer attorneys California and Uber for coming together. I agree that over the last several weeks, it's gotten kinda depressing. I think that's the intention of the ads to some extent.

  • Ash Kalra

    Legislator

    But the reality is that even more seriously, this this piece of legislation does some really important things in terms of consumer protection, patient care, access to justice, and putting parameters in terms of guardrails against unethical practices by lawyers. All noble, and necessary, I think, to ensure, that we're we're not curtailing the ability for those that are genuinely injured and harmed, to have their their day in court, but also more importantly to be able to get healed, to be able to recover appropriately what they should.

  • Ash Kalra

    Legislator

    And the added, I I think, really important aspects of back not just background checks, but women drivers and passenger preferences, I I think is is a critical aspect of this. I I know that it's something that in different forms has been offered in different ways, but I think to ensure that there's first of all, the the the companies are free from liability. But more significantly, again, it's about the the customer experience.

  • Ash Kalra

    Legislator

    And we wanna make sure that everyone, especially given how ubiquitous these rideshare companies are now, that people feel comfortable using them. And I think that's always been the goal of the companies. But I think with this legislation, I think it it has that extra element for women to to truly feel safe and to have that preference if they so choose to have it, both the the driver and the passenger.

  • Ash Kalra

    Legislator

    So, you know, I I think that this is something that we're all very grateful for, ensuring that, again, not just making sure the stops on the ballot. That's, of course, certainly added bonus, but more importantly, what's before us is a very good compromise that actually accomplishes really important objectives that both sides wanted to see get done.

  • Ash Kalra

    Legislator

    And so incredibly grateful to all the work that's been put into it. Many, many hours. I wanna express my gratitude, to Manuela Busce de La Cadena and Nicholas Lidke, from our team here on the committee. I know they spent many hours, especially this past weekend, on this, updating me and and and making sure the analysis was done, and, and that's during the couple of the busiest weeks we already have.

  • Ash Kalra

    Legislator

    And so that's added on to all the work that I know all of you and your staffs have done, Chair Umberg.

  • Ash Kalra

    Legislator

    And so we we we have a lot of people to thank for this, including the folks that are here at at the table. And I would yeah. Please, Senator Papin.

  • Diane Papan

    Legislator

    Sorry to go out of order, Mister Chair. Appreciate the opportunity to be heard. I I just wanna comment about the process rather than the intricacies of the bill. And and I am a firm believer that compromise is what really constitutes good government. And so I'm very grateful that the parties hammered this out.

  • Diane Papan

    Legislator

    All of the public will benefit from compromises like this. And and then I'm gonna make a second comment, and that is, you know, we have representative government for a reason, and some of these issues do not lend themselves to the ballot. So the fact that we have two less ballot initiatives that might have been very complex and perhaps not particularly clear to the public. I mean, I trust the public, but but these can be very complex things.

  • Diane Papan

    Legislator

    I'm very grateful that we are able to present this at the legislative level and, hopefully, get it signed by the governor and make things easier for all parties and and for the public at large.

  • Diane Papan

    Legislator

    So it it's an honor to be involved in the process as well. So thank you all for any yeoman's effort you put into a compromise that really moves government forward.

  • Ash Kalra

    Legislator

    I knew the question or comment. The last thing I wanted to mention is that I I think that even if you look at the data and you look at kind of rider experiences, driver experiences, I think that, you know, the far majority of experiences are safe. They provided a service.

  • Ash Kalra

    Legislator

    And and so I I don't think the the the the need for this legislation is critical because we wanna make sure that everybody is safe and everyone feels safe, but also that if there are accidents which happen, that we make sure that people are made whole to the greatest time possible. However, I I do believe that, you know, most of the folks that are driving do so safely do so in a way that is respectful.

  • Ash Kalra

    Legislator

    And I think this will just add to that, and for that, I'm grateful. Would you like to close?

  • Thomas Umberg

    Legislator

    Well, thank you, Mister Chair, and thank you for giving me any sort of credit for this. I am in politics, so I take credit for everything I possibly can.

  • Thomas Umberg

    Legislator

    a press release this morning, taking credit for the sun coming up. But I'll

  • Ash Kalra

    Legislator

    I did

  • Ash Kalra

    Legislator

    take credit for going down that.

  • Thomas Umberg

    Legislator

    Yeah. Well, there you

  • Ash Kalra

    Legislator

    go. But but but

  • Thomas Umberg

    Legislator

    really, I'm just honored to be associated with this effort that I'm just a rider on the bus. But the group here and those behind me formed an incredible coalition. I have not seen this kind of a coalition since everybody opposed my preemptory challenge bill. So kudos kudos to all those who are engaged, involved, and I echo the comments of Assemblymember who happened that this is the way government should work with that urgent eye vote.

  • Ash Kalra

    Legislator

    Thank you. Do we have a motion? No motion. We have a motion and a second.

  • Committee Secretary

    Motion is do passed. Culra? Aye. Colra, Aye. Masito, Barakahan, Brian Connolly?

  • Committee Secretary

    Aye. Connolly, Aye. Dixon, Harabedian? Aye. Hairbedian, Aye.

  • Committee Secretary

    Pacheco? Aye. Pacheco, Aye. Pappan? Aye.

  • Committee Secretary

    Pappan, Aye. Sanchez? Sanchez, Aye. Stephanie Zuber.

  • Ash Kalra

    Legislator

    Bill's on call. Good luck.

  • Thomas Umberg

    Legislator

    We'll see you guys. Do you guys come tonight?

  • Ash Kalra

    Legislator

    Yeah. Yeah.

  • Thomas Umberg

    Legislator

    Yeah. Although we're going fast.

  • Ash Kalra

    Legislator

    I mean,

  • Thomas Umberg

    Legislator

    we're going really fast inside of this year. We we may be done by 04:00.

  • Ash Kalra

    Legislator

    I love it.

  • Thomas Umberg

    Legislator

    So Yes.

  • Ash Kalra

    Legislator

    We now only have two items are from this morning. I'll plan to adjourn at 02:15 if we don't have an author here. Let's do some add ons. Yeah. I think that there's quite a few folks that might need to add on. So we'll start with consent calendar.

  • Unidentified Speaker 017

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  • Ash Kalra

    Legislator

    Item one, SB 46, Umberg.

  • Unidentified Speaker 017

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  • Ash Kalra

    Legislator

    Item add ons for item two of SB873 Reyes.

  • Unidentified Speaker 017

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  • Ash Kalra

    Legislator

    We'll move the call on item SB957 Perez as item three.

  • Unidentified Speaker 017

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  • Ash Kalra

    Legislator

    Okay. We'll we'll put we'll place that back on call. Item four, add on, SB 989, Blake Spear.

  • Unidentified Speaker 017

    [Roll Call]

  • Ash Kalra

    Legislator

    Add ons for item five, SB 998, Gonzales.

  • Unidentified Speaker 017

    [Roll Call]

  • Ash Kalra

    Legislator

    Item six, SB1078 Laird add ons.

  • Unidentified Speaker 017

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  • Ash Kalra

    Legislator

    Item seven, SB11O3 Perez. Move the call.

  • Unidentified Speaker 017

    [Roll Call]

  • Ash Kalra

    Legislator

    We'll place that back on call. Add ons for SB 1146 Gonzales, item eight.

  • Unidentified Speaker 017

    [Roll Call]

  • Ash Kalra

    Legislator

    Move the call on item nine, SB 1160, Durazo.

  • Unidentified Speaker 017

    [Roll Call]

  • Ash Kalra

    Legislator

    Place that back on call. Add ons item 10. SP1164. Cervantes.

  • Unidentified Speaker 017

    [Roll Call]

  • Ash Kalra

    Legislator

    Item 11. SB1195 Caballero. Move the call. SP1194 Caballero. Yeah.

  • Unidentified Speaker 017

    [Roll Call]

  • Ash Kalra

    Legislator

    Place that back on call. Item add ons to item 13 SB1256, Jones.

  • Unidentified Speaker 017

    [Roll Call]

  • Ash Kalra

    Legislator

    Add ons to item 14, SB1267, Allen.

  • Unidentified Speaker 017

    [Roll Call]

  • Ash Kalra

    Legislator

    Add ons for item 16, SB1425, Cortese.

  • Unidentified Speaker 017

    [Roll Call]

  • Ash Kalra

    Legislator

    Okay. We're all caught up. Okay. We have item 15 SB 1323, Senator Rubio.

  • Susan Rubio

    Legislator

    Thank you so much. Well, first of all, thank you for that. And I just wanna begin by saying that I will be accepting the committee's clarifying amendments. SB 1323 is a patient protection and dignity measure that strengthens its existing law for individuals receiving medical care while in immigration custody. A lot of our the patients that go into hospitals don't have a way of notifying their families.

  • Susan Rubio

    Legislator

    They don't know where they're at. And so this simply just says, let's take care of our human beings. And I always like to say, it's not only immigrant communities because so many US citizens have been heard. One was shot, was in a hospital for two, three days, couldn't notify their parents. So again, this is for everyone.

  • Susan Rubio

    Legislator

    Protection for everyone where they can notify their parents, their loved ones, if they're hurt, and they're in detention centers. And so if I may turn it over to my witnesses. Thank you.

  • Jeannette Zanipatin

    Person

    I'll keep it brief too. Jeannette Zanipatin, policy director of policy advocacy for the Coalition for Humane Immigrant Rights. I just wanna here to say that we're in strong support of this measure. We actually had a client that was at UCLA Harbor Medical Center who was in ICE detention, at one of the at a hospital. And, essentially, what the center just mentioned is is absolutely correct.

  • Jeannette Zanipatin

    Person

    Their family, was not able to locate the individual. We we had to go in with, basically, 12 to 15 people one day to try to have access to the patient with his immigration attorneys, with a minister, as well as union members. And what the hospital did was was pretty terrible. In addition to not releasing information about the the person who is the patient, once they did allow the family to have access to the patient, they subsequently took away the the family's visitation rights.

  • Jeannette Zanipatin

    Person

    And so we wanna make sure that individuals that are in these situations, that we do have uniform policies throughout the state.

  • Jeannette Zanipatin

    Person

    And so for those reasons, we urge your support today.

  • Hector Pereira

    Person

    Thank you. Good afternoon, committee. Hector Pereira on behalf of the Inland Coalition for American Justice, proud sponsor of the bill. This bill is really about basic human dignity and the rights that are afforded to any person who is hospitalized, but for some reason, not just civil immigrant detainees. We work extensively with folks that are detained at the Adelanto Ice Processing Center, which is in our region in San Bernardino County.

  • Hector Pereira

    Person

    And there have been so many countless stories that we hear from people who are injured when they're detained. So they haven't even been sent to a detention center yet. But because of the violence of this administration, they're injured because they've been beaten. They've been trampled to the ground, so they have to be hospitalized right after an arrest.

  • Hector Pereira

    Person

    People who are sent to the attention centers where medical conditions are among the most negligent, and this is well documented that medical attention and medical care, both for physical and mental health in these detention centers are abhorrent, and folks die in these detention centers.

  • Hector Pereira

    Person

    Last year was the deadliest year for folks that are being held in private detention centers since the creation of the Department of Homeland Security. So these are the conditions that folks are being subjected to. And then when they're hospitalized finally because their conditions have become life threatening, and these private centers have stopped ignoring them, They're completely cut off from access to their family members and to their lawyers. We had a case in which a detainee from Adelanto was hospitalized.

  • Hector Pereira

    Person

    They were not allowed a phone call to let their family know that they were hospitalized.

  • Hector Pereira

    Person

    And when they finally they were allowed one after pleading and pleading for days, the ICE agent told them, if you even hint at where you're being hospitalized right now, we will completely cut you off from any other phone calls. So he couldn't even tell his family member where he was. He just had to tell them he was hospitalized.

  • Hector Pereira

    Person

    Another Adelanto detainee, that passed away last year, the family was only called a couple hours before that detainee passed away to say your loved one is in their final moments. Come say goodbye.

  • Hector Pereira

    Person

    Those are the conditions that are existing right now in the state of California, and we cannot accept this in the state. So I respectfully ask for your aye vote.

  • Ash Kalra

    Legislator

    Thank you. Is there anyone else here in support of SB 1323? Is there anyone here in opposition to SB 1323? Okay. So we we do have a motion already.

  • Ash Kalra

    Legislator

    Any questions or comments? We already have a motion. Well, thank you, Senator, for bringing this bill again. Another example of a bill that we will hope we would not to do, but at this moment in time, I think our community desperately needs it. Would you like to close?

  • Susan Rubio

    Legislator

    Yeah. Just real quickly, I'll leave you with the story. A a young lady was taken shot several times since she was bleeding out in a hospital. Again, they wouldn't let her call her family. She was moved into the detention center.

  • Susan Rubio

    Legislator

    The detention center denied her entry because she was dying. She had to be hospitalized again somewhere else and again was denied a a phone call and just wanted to share. She was a US citizen and her family didn't know where she was at. So with that, I respectfully ask for an aye vote. Thank you.

  • Ash Kalra

    Legislator

    Thank you.

  • Committee Secretary

    Motions do pass to appropriations. Kalra?

  • Ash Kalra

    Legislator

    Aye.

  • Committee Secretary

    [Roll Call]

  • Ash Kalra

    Legislator

    Okay. That bill is out. Thank you.

  • Susan Rubio

    Legislator

    Thank you. Thank you, everyone.

  • Ash Kalra

    Legislator

    Our last bill is Item 12: SB 1247, Padilla-- Senator Padilla. We have a motion and a second.

  • Steve Padilla

    Legislator

    Yay. You want me to present or...?

  • Ash Kalra

    Legislator

    Yeah.

  • Steve Padilla

    Legislator

    I mean, I'll take the vote. One of a couple, one of a couple. Thank you, Mr. Chairman and members. Pleased to present SB 1247, which gives the children whose images--particularly while they were juveniles were provided in content monetized online--the ability to delete the content from which they were a minor, allowing them to take control back of their image and particularly during some of the most important developmental stages of their life.

  • Steve Padilla

    Legislator

    You might remember two years ago, I introduced SB 764, which created financial protections for child influencers in line with the Coogan Act of nearly more than a century ago. The bill, now law, is a key step in adopting laws that adapt to the modern economy. Today, as we know, children of vloggers provide click-worthy content, which is often monetized to the benefit of their parents.

  • Steve Padilla

    Legislator

    This bill gives children who were monetized online the ability to delete content from when they were a minor and take back control of that element of their lives going forward. Children of family influencers may not have a choice in participating in videos during this stage of their lives, which are often available for public consumption, and more child influencers are now speaking up about the difficulties of growing up in the public light, with some experiencing stalking and threats due to this public presence.

  • Steve Padilla

    Legislator

    A New York Times investigation also found many of these children posted online, drew audiences of adults seeking explicit content, and parents continued posting their child because more followers means more lucrative branding deals. An example is Alyson Stoner, a champion of the bill and former child actress; actually experienced stalking and identity theft as a performer and states that these sorts of threats are the norm, and with the rise in AI tools, these images are now used often for sexual exploitation of minors.

  • Steve Padilla

    Legislator

    Similar legislation to this has been proposed and passed in other states, such as Utah, where Shari Franke, daughter of Ruby Franke, a family vlogger who was convicted of child abuse, championed a similar bill after her and her siblings grew up with their lives documented online. This bill, again, would give them control of their image when they turn 18, requiring platforms to make available a user-friendly platform for them to request the deletion. This bill has had broad bipartisan support, has had no no votes, and I would respectfully ask for an aye vote.

  • Ash Kalra

    Legislator

    Thank you. Is there anyone else here in support of SB 1247? Hold on one moment. Let's get the microphone on. Okay.

  • Cheryl Westmont

    Person

    Thank you. Thank you. Cheryl Westmont with Mothers Against Media Addiction, for overall California.

  • Ash Kalra

    Legislator

    Thank you.

  • Mamta Bhandari

    Person

    Mamta Bhandari from Common Sense Media, in support of the bill.

  • Ash Kalra

    Legislator

    Thank you. Is there anyone here in opposition to SB 1247? Okay. Bringing it back to committee. We do have a motion. Any further-- Assembly Member Dixon? Yep.

  • Diane Dixon

    Legislator

    Hello, Senator. I think I have supported many of these bills, and I want to support your bill. Thank you for bringing it forward. I'm concerned about the private right of action. Do you have a specific reason why you're including that?

  • Steve Padilla

    Legislator

    That accrues to the-- Mr. Chairman, if I may? Assembly Member, thank you for the question. As you might note, there was a distinction noted even in your analysis, but the language in the bill goes to providing that private right of action to seek damages from actually the creator but not the platform.

  • Diane Dixon

    Legislator

    Oh. Okay. All right. Thank you.

  • Steve Padilla

    Legislator

    You're welcome.

  • Ash Kalra

    Legislator

    Assembly Member Bauer-Kahan.

  • Rebecca Bauer-Kahan

    Legislator

    I wanna thank the author for his work on this, I mean, this amongst many other bills that protect children, but for those that have not read the New York Times reporting on this issue-- it is hard to read, frankly. Parents are abusing their children by putting them online, and they are selling sexual images, clothing, undergarments to pedophiles, frankly, through online influencing, and the investigator reporting by the New York Times where they did an undercover-- they went online as-- imposed as children and saw what happened is frankly astonishing and upsetting and should never happen to a child.

  • Rebecca Bauer-Kahan

    Legislator

    And so your ability to give children once they're old enough to understand and seek the ability to take these images offline is one piece of healing that we can hopefully give them. It won't take the trauma away, but it's really, really critically important, and this is a really important issue for us to be focusing on. And frankly, I wish we could do even more than this, and hopefully our law enforcement agents are, but I just wanna thank you for this and would love to be-- we are seeing it in Privacy. I believe this is going to Privacy next. No.

  • Ash Kalra

    Legislator

    No.

  • Rebecca Bauer-Kahan

    Legislator

    It's not. It went to Privacy, I think we saw first. So, would love to be added as a co-author if you'll have me.

  • Steve Padilla

    Legislator

    Absolutely.

  • Ash Kalra

    Legislator

    Any other questions or comments? I also wanna thank you, Senator. You know, clearly, Assembly Member Bauer-Kahan mentioned some of the extreme cases, but, you know, along the spectrum, even in-- you know, it's about having ownership over what's out there in the world about you, even if you're just a more private person than your parents are and you're 18, 19. You don't want them out there.

  • Ash Kalra

    Legislator

    I think that whole spectrum of egregious conduct from parents to just-- you know what? I just don't want it out there. And I'm 18 now. I have the right to make that decision and everything in between. I think for those reasons, I think this is a common-sense bill that gives ownership where it should be to the person themselves. And so with that, would you like to close?

  • Steve Padilla

    Legislator

    Thank you for your comments and encouragement, Mr. Chairman, and also to members of the committee. I think it is important, as you point out, to remember the spectrum, right? We have egregious conduct at the one end that's just outright intentional, even criminal exploitation based on the content, but also, we're learning a lot more today about the fact that minors, particularly at critical points in their life development, their emotional and psychological development, to have it exposed at such scale can often be detrimental to the health and well-being of that development and cause a lot of other issues down the road. And so, I appreciate it, and would respectfully ask for an aye vote.

  • Ash Kalra

    Legislator

    Thank you.

  • Committee Secretary

    Motion's do pass. [Roll call].

  • Ash Kalra

    Legislator

    Okay. That bill is out.

  • Ash Kalra

    Legislator

    Alright. So thank you. We're we're done with the business. Now let's just do any final add ons. Okay. Almost done, everybody. Almost done. If we can just keep it down just for a second so folks can hear our our secretary as she goes through the add ons. Consent calendar.

  • Committee Secretary

    [Roll Call]

  • Ash Kalra

    Legislator

    Oh, that's Alright. Item 1SB46, Umberg.

  • Committee Secretary

    [Roll Call]

  • Ash Kalra

    Legislator

    Pay attention now. I I don't want to go through this again

  • Committee Secretary

    [Roll Call]

  • Ash Kalra

    Legislator

    Alright. Item 2SB873Reyes.

  • Committee Secretary

    [Roll Call]

  • Ash Kalra

    Legislator

    Item 3 SB 957 Perez. And we're lifting the call.

  • Committee Secretary

    [Roll Call]

  • Ash Kalra

    Legislator

    That bill is out. Add ons for item four SB989, Blakespear?

  • Committee Secretary

    [Roll Call]

  • Ash Kalra

    Legislator

    Item five, add ons for SB998, Gonzales.

  • Committee Secretary

    [Roll Call]

  • Ash Kalra

    Legislator

    Item six, add ons for SB 178 Laird.

  • Committee Secretary

    [Roll Call]

  • Ash Kalra

    Legislator

    Lift the call on item seven, SB 1103 Perez.

  • Committee Secretary

    [Roll Call]

  • Ash Kalra

    Legislator

    Okay. I'll put place that back on call. Add ons to item eight SB 1146, Gonzales.

  • Committee Secretary

    [Roll Call]

  • Ash Kalra

    Legislator

    Let's call on item 9SB 1160 Durazo.

  • Committee Secretary

    [Roll Call]

  • Ash Kalra

    Legislator

    Those out. Add on to item 10SB 1164Cervantes.

  • Committee Secretary

    [Roll Call]

  • Ash Kalra

    Legislator

    Lift the call on item 11 SB 1194 Caballero.

  • Committee Secretary

    [Roll Call]

  • Ash Kalra

    Legislator

    The bill is out. Add ons for item 12. SB 1247 Padilla..

  • Committee Secretary

    [Roll Call]

  • Ash Kalra

    Legislator

    Item 13, add ons for SB 1256 Jones.

  • Committee Secretary

    [Roll Call]

  • Ash Kalra

    Legislator

    Add ons for item 14, SB 1267, Allen.

  • Committee Secretary

    [Roll Call]

  • Ash Kalra

    Legislator

    Item 15, add ons for SB 3023 Rubio?

  • Committee Secretary

    [Roll Call]

  • Ash Kalra

    Legislator

    Item 16, add ons for SB 1425 Cortese.

  • Committee Secretary

    [Roll Call]

  • Ash Kalra

    Legislator

    Lift the call on item twenty two SB 623, Umberg.

  • Committee Secretary

    [Roll Call]

  • Ash Kalra

    Legislator

    K. That bill is out. Okay. We're gonna lift the call on SB11O3 Perez.

  • Committee Secretary

    [Roll Call]

  • Ash Kalra

    Legislator

    Item 11 is SB 1194 Caballero, [Roll Call] Item 12 is SB 1247 Padilla.[Roll Call] Item 15 is SB 1323 Rubio [Roll Call] And the last one is SB623 Umberg. That's item 22,[Roll Call] And with that, SB11O3 is out and we are adjourned. Thank you.

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