Senate Standing Committee on Health
- Akilah Weber Pierson
Legislator
The Senate Committee on Health will begin in ten seconds. The Senate Committee on Health will now come to order. Good afternoon. File item 21, AB 2343 by Assemblymember Patel has been pulled from today's agenda. That leaves us with 28 bills on the agenda with eight of them on our proposed consent calendar.
- Akilah Weber Pierson
Legislator
Item number four, AB 1696 by Assemblymember Stefani, File item seven, AB 1868 by Assemblymember Hadwick. File item 10, AB 2009 by Assembly Members Chen and Solache . File item 19, AB 2352 by Assemblymember Valencia. File item 22, AB 2348 by Assemblymember Bonta. File item 25, AB 2486 by Assemblymember Addis.
- Akilah Weber Pierson
Legislator
File item 27, AB 2562 by Assemblymember Dixon. And file item 28, AB 2598 by Assemblymember Krell. We will begin as a subcommittee until quorum has been established and our first author is here. So we will begin with file item number one, AB third three eighty seven by Assemblymember Alanis. If there are any other Assembly Members who wish to present their bills today, they can make it their way to 0 Street, Room 1200.
- Juan Alanis
Legislator
Thank you, madam Chair. Well, before I begin, I would like to thank you, madam Chair, and your committee staff for their time, their engagement, and thoughtful feedback throughout this process. I particularly appreciate the chair's commitment to ensuring that any policy we advance does not unintentionally further disadvantage lower income and underserved communities. Thank you for that.
- Juan Alanis
Legislator
While we may approach this issue from different perspectives, we share the same fundamental goal, protecting children and ensuring that every young athlete has the best possible chance of surviving a sudden cardiac emergency.
- Juan Alanis
Legislator
For that leadership and engagement, I sincerely thank you. AB 387 builds upon the foundation established by Nevaeh's youth sports act and seeks to address implementation challenges that have become apparent as youth sports organizations prepare to comply with the existing AD requirements. Under current law, youth sports organizations are responsible for ensuring AED access during practices and games.
- Juan Alanis
Legislator
However, many of these organizations, particularly those serving rural, low low income, and underserved communities, conduct their activities at public parks, recreation facilities, school athletic complexes, and other venues that may have already AEDs available on-site. AB 387 recognizes that reality and creates a shared responsibility framework between youth sports organizations and the facilities where athletic activities occur.
- Juan Alanis
Legislator
The bill requires collaboration between facilities and youth sports organizations to ensure AED access and encourages both parties to identify ways to share the cost associated with providing this life saving equipment. Importantly, the bill does not eliminate the responsibility of the youth sports organizations to ensure AED access. If a facility does not have an AED available, the youth sports organization remains responsible for ensuring access to an operate operating device during the practice or during a game.
- Juan Alanis
Legislator
I also wanna acknowledge the chair's concerns regarding affordability and the impact on disadvantaged communities. Those concerns are legitimate and deserve continued attention.
- Juan Alanis
Legislator
My office and I remain committed to exploring future funding opportunities, partnerships, and other avenues that can help expand AED availability while minimizing financial burdens on the communities that can least afford them. Throughout this process, my team and I have met extensively with youth sports organizations, cities, counties, park districts, school interests, and risk management organizations. Those conversations have resulted in a meaningful amendments to the bills, including clarifying responsibilities, strengthening collaboration requirements, and creating greater flexibility for facilities and youth sports organizations to work together towards compliance.
- Juan Alanis
Legislator
In that same spirit of collaboration, I would like to thank this commitment to the committee today.
- Juan Alanis
Legislator
Should AB 387 move forward, I will amend the bill and its next committee to remove the requirement that facility operators, procure an AD and instead require that any AED already installed at a facility be made accessible to the youth sports organizations during official practices and matches, as well as clarifying and strengthening the collaboration requirements between youth sports organizations and facility operators to ensure clear communication and coordination regarding AED availability.
- Juan Alanis
Legislator
Our work is not finished. There are still conversations to have and issues to resolve, and I remain fully committed to working with all interest parties to get this policy right. Our our children deserve nothing less. Should this bill move out of committee today, I remain fully committed to continuing these conversations and working towards a solution that addresses the concerns raised while preserving the bill's core public safety purpose.
- Juan Alanis
Legislator
At its core, AB 387 is about ensuring that when a child suffers sudden cardiac arrest, there is a realistic and practical pathway to life saving intervention.
- Juan Alanis
Legislator
This bill seeks to improve access to ADs, Strengthens Preparedness, and encourages collaborations among organizations and facilities that serve California's young athletes every day. And for those reasons, when the time is right, I respectfully ask for an Aye vote.
- Akilah Weber Pierson
Legislator
Thank you. Any lead witnesses? No. If there's anyone in the audience that would like to speak in support of this bill, please come to the microphone. State your name, your organization, and your position.
- Greg Hurner
Person
Good afternoon, Madam Chair. Greg Hurner on behalf of the Eric Pereta Save a Life Foundation, in full support of the bill and just note how this dovetails nicely with your efforts and our sponsorship of a bill to try and bring CPR AED education universally back to high school students. Thank you.
- Douglas Houston
Person
Madam Chair, Members, Doug Houston representing California Park and Recreation Society. For the committee's edification, we are an opposed unless amend. We're gonna be transitioning to support if amended. Wanna reserve the right to continue work with the author, the legislature when the the the amendments are adopted. So thank you so much.
- Akilah Weber Pierson
Legislator
Thank you. If there's anyone in the audience who would like to speak and lead opposition to this bill, this is your time to come to the table. Thank you and you will have a collective of five minutes.
- Ethan Nagler
Person
Good afternoon madam Chair and Members of the committee. Ethan Nagler here on behalf of the California Association of Recreation and Park Districts. CARPD is a statewide association representing 70 recreation and park districts that collectively own, operate and maintain more than 6,000,000 acres of parks and open space in California. I want to thank the author's office for working collaboratively with us over the past twelve months on this bill. Also wanna thank the committee staff for their significant work on the bill throughout this time.
- Ethan Nagler
Person
We have been working closely with both the author's office and committee staff on amendments, and we look forward to seeing those amendments reflected in print. We remain opposed to the bill in print but anticipate removing our opposition as soon as those amendments are officially adopted. We share the author's goal of improving safety in youth sports. Thank you. I'm happy to answer any questions.
- Dorothy Johnson
Person
Good afternoon, Madam Chair and Members. Dorothy Johnson on behalf of the Association of California School Administrators representing 18,000 public education leaders statewide. We too are opposed as amended or opposed to the bill as in print. We look forward to reviewing the amendments, but do have serious remaining concerns despite the bill's laudable intent. Currently, schools provide AEDs in any building with greater than 200 person capacity, as well as AEDs for interscholastic or school based sports.
- Dorothy Johnson
Person
It's not clear to us how we can make school property and school facilities accessible to a private organization when they have a match or a practice. Also, regarding liability issues. The Good Samaritan protections, we understand applies to rendering of care, but we're not clear how that also applies to access to a device, and we're concerned that the public entity could be held liable for any concerns or problems or issues, in AU Sports Organization's effort to access a a publicly owned AED.
- Dorothy Johnson
Person
While this, committee's jurisdiction is not cost, schools also have limited cost recovery, that we have concerns about ongoing to make sure the AEDs are up and running and accessible. And we do believe this bill could have the unintended consequence of limiting these sports, facilities simply because there is no AED access.
- Dorothy Johnson
Person
So for these reasons, we remain opposed. Look forward to reviewing the amendments. Thank you.
- Akilah Weber Pierson
Legislator
Thank you. If there's anyone else that would like to register your opposition, this is your time to come forward. State your name, your organization, and your position.
- Sasha Horwitz
Person
Good afternoon, Chair and Members. Sasha Horwitz with the Los Angeles Unified School District. We're opposed for the reasons described by AXA. Thank you.
- Caroline Grinder
Person
Hello. Caroline Grinder on behalf of the League of California Cities. Cal Cities has an opposed unless amended to the bill in print, but really appreciate the work of the author's staff and committee staff in the amendments. We look forward to reviewing those and hopefully removing our opposition the next committee. Thank you.
- Eric Lawyer
Person
Good afternoon. Eric Lawyer on behalf of the California State Association of Counties. Very much appreciate the efforts by author, sponsor, and committee staff to work with us on our concerns. Looking forward to continued conversations but opposed today. Thank you.
- Kelly Brooks
Person
Kelly Brooks on behalf of the Urban Counties of California. We appreciate all the work on the bill. We will be reviewing the amendments. We currently have an opposed position.
- Sarah Dukett
Person
Sarah Dukett, on behalf of the Rural County Representative of California and the California Association of School Business Officials, align our comments with the schools concerned about the liability. Hopefully, we can work that out in the next Committee.
- Sharon Gonzales
Person
Good afternoon. Sharon Gonzales on behalf of the cities of Belmont, Corona, Santa Rosa, and Rancho Cucamonga opposed to the bill and print. I look forward to reviewing the amendments. Thank you.
- Akilah Weber Pierson
Legislator
Thank you. Alright. Seeing no one else who would like to speak from the audience. Well, first of all, I wanna thank Assemblymember for your focus and your dedication to this issue. It is extremely important.
- Akilah Weber Pierson
Legislator
You know, sudden cardiac arrest is not something that we think of happening to our youth, but it is. And more and more we're hearing stories about kids collapsing on fields, and the only reason why they were saved was because you had an AED ED device around. And so it is extremely important that that we have access to those, that our kids have access to those. At the same time, it is important that whatever we enact here at the state is not discriminatory, just in statute.
- Akilah Weber Pierson
Legislator
And the fact that we would require this, which could bump up fees, for our our youth sports would automatically make that some kids and families wouldn't be able to participate in it anymore.
- Akilah Weber Pierson
Legislator
We're dealing in a situation where the issue of affordability is something that we talk about a lot. And California is becoming less and less affordable for everyday Californians. Youth sports are so important. I mean, both of my boys have been have participated in youth sports. It not only shows you how to work together as a team, it gives you the ability to show your leadership skills.
- Akilah Weber Pierson
Legislator
And in this world where our kids are constantly on some sitting down on some device, This is another avenue for physical activity as we're dealing with issues of childhood obesity and diabetes and hypertension in in kids that we never thought they would have to deal with this stuff. But it also opens doors for many. Many who may not have ever thought about being able to go to college or having, you know, a profession maybe as a sports announcer or an athlete.
- Akilah Weber Pierson
Legislator
This is a way to open up doors. And so we have to make sure that we're looking out for their health in terms of their cardiac health, but also not closing the doors for some students, some youth, some families that would not be able to bear their burden of an extra $10, $15, $25.
- Akilah Weber Pierson
Legislator
We also don't want to close certain facilities. I know my kids, they you know, through our little league in my area, we practice at the school site. And I can easily see the schools saying, no, you can't have access to our facilities, especially on the weekends when no one is here. And therefore, because of this, you cannot you can no longer practice or play on some of these fields. And so it's a balance.
- Akilah Weber Pierson
Legislator
I appreciate what you've done. I recognize the fact that we still have another year to to get it right. And I would like to work with you next year to figure out how we can get this right because it is that important. But I do appreciate the amendments that you have taken today. It's an extremely important issue.
- Akilah Weber Pierson
Legislator
And I think once we get it right, we can really use this as a model for the rest of the country. And with that, if you'd like to close.
- Juan Alanis
Legislator
I would say you almost did my close right there. I completely agree with you. And obviously, we have the technology now to save lives, and and it's it's there. It's available. And when you can't get access to it, even knowing it's right there on the premises, those who have lost their children, it's just unfortunate.
- Juan Alanis
Legislator
To know that it was there, and if we can help further families from not experiencing that, then let's do it. So with that, when it's time, respectfully ask for an Aye vote.
- Akilah Weber Pierson
Legislator
Alright. I see Assemblymember Hart file item number 3AB1682. You may begin.
- Gregg Hart
Legislator
Good afternoon, Chair and Senators. Yes. I'm pleased to present AB 1682, a bill that would increase accessibility to scalp cooling for cancer patients who undergo chemotherapy. The California Cancer Registry reports that nearly two hundred thousand Californians are diagnosed with cancer annually with about thirty thousand of those cases involving breast cancer. For many cancer patients, chemotherapy is vital as it targets rapidly dividing cancer cells.
- Gregg Hart
Legislator
However, this affects healthy cells such as hair follicles, which leads to significant hair loss. Hair loss is one of the most visible and emotionally distressing side effects of chemotherapy. It affects a patient's confidence, mental health, and autonomy about when and how to disclose their diagnosis. To help combat this, scalp cooling is an evidence based treatment that is used for hair loss by cooling the scalp before, during, and after chemotherapy to limit the amount of medication that reaches hair follicles.
- Gregg Hart
Legislator
Although scalp cooling has been successful in reducing care chemotherapy induced hair loss, access remains limited by its cost, especially as coverage is inconsistent across private insurance and medical.
- Gregg Hart
Legislator
Patients are often required to pay out of pocket with cost ranging from 4 to $5,000 for a full course of treatment making it inaccessible for many. E b sixteen eighty two would remediate this by requiring California health plans and insurers to cover FDA cleared scalp cooling devices when prescribed by a provider. This bill ensures that scalp cooling is recognized as part of the oncology support services and expands access to an evidence based treatment that can reduce one of the most nuanced side effects of cancer care.
- Gregg Hart
Legislator
Speaking in support today are Alexa Meyer, a breast cancer survivor and founder of a survivor led community and apparel brand, and Lisa Roeb, clinical account manager at Paxman Scalp Cooling.
- Akilah Weber Pierson
Legislator
Thank you. You will have a combined total of five minutes. Great.
- Alexa Meyer
Person
Good afternoon. My name is Alexa Meyer. I live in Concord and I'm honored to be speaking to you today in support of AB 1682. A week before my daughter's first birthday, a clogged duct from breastfeeding led me to schedule an early mammogram. Although that finding was benign, the mammogram ultimately led to the discovery of breast cancer at just 33 years old.
- Alexa Meyer
Person
The day I heard the words, you have cancer, my world changed instantly. Of all the fears that came with my diagnosis, one of the things I worried about most was losing my hair during chemotherapy. To some people, hair may seem cosmetic. But for many cancer patients, losing your hair is the moment your diagnosis becomes real and visible to the world. It can affect your confidence, your identity, and your ability to show up as yourself in everyday life.
- Alexa Meyer
Person
Fortunately, my treatment center offered access to a Paxman scalp cooling system. Over twelve consecutive weeks of chemotherapy, I spent roughly forty hours connected to the machine. It wasn't always comfortable, but that's a decision I would make again without hesitation. I saved nearly all of my hair throughout treatment, which I finished less than three months ago. While scalp cooling didn't change my diagnosis, it profoundly changed my treatment experience.
- Alexa Meyer
Person
As a young mother, it helped me maintain a sense of normalcy for my family. It allowed me to look in the mirror and still recognize myself. During treatment, I built a community for breast cancer patients and survivors. Through that work, I've connected with hundreds of women across the country at every stage of the breast cancer journey. I've witnessed the devastating impact that hair loss can have on mental health, self esteem and recovery.
- Alexa Meyer
Person
The emotional effects of hair loss can persist long after chemotherapy ends, making it more difficult for patients to reintegrate into their lives with confidence. I paid about $1,500 out of pocket for my scalp cooling treatment which was not covered by insurance. While I'm grateful I could do so, no one should have to choose between their financial well-being and access to supportive care that can meaningfully improve their quality of life. Cancer treatment is about more than just survival.
- Alexa Meyer
Person
It's also about preserving dignity and confidence while patients fight for their future.
- Alexa Meyer
Person
I can say with certainty that scalp cooling made one of the hardest seasons of my life more manageable. My experience should not be the exception. Thank you.
- Lisa Raub
Person
Good afternoon, Chair and Members of the committee. My name is Lisa Raub. I'm a breast cancer survivor, a mother, and a proud Californian. I'm here today because I had the great fortune of being able to preserve my hair with scalp cooling when I went through chemotherapy twelve years ago. When I heard the words, you have cancer, it wasn't the surgeries, the disfigurement, the pain, the nausea, or even facing my mortality that scared me.
- Lisa Raub
Person
Sorry. It was the idea of losing my hair. Not only for me, but because I knew that for my children seeing me without hair would be terrifying and traumatic. And I'm not alone. Studies have shown that for seventy five percent of cancer patients hair loss is the most feared side effect of chemotherapy and approximately ten percent of patients may decline treatment due to their fear of hair loss.
- Lisa Raub
Person
My experience led me to seek opportunities to help other patients facing the same diagnosis and for the past nine years, I have worked with hundreds of patients and clinicians at cancer centers across California to make FDA cleared mechanical scalp cooling available to them. I have seen the difference it can make for patients to be able to move through treatment with greater confidence and dignity.
- Lisa Raub
Person
However, this option is out of reach for many and far too many doctors tell me that cost is the barrier for their patients. The average patient out of pocket expense is $2,500 leaving it inaccessible for many Californians. In oncology, evidence based treatments that manage other side effects of chemotherapy are routinely covered.
- Lisa Raub
Person
Scalp cooling should be no different. Side effects management should never be determined by financial circumstances. In January of this year, the AMA recognized scalp cooling as a standard of care practice by issuing permanent Category one CPT codes for insurance coverage. AB 1682 aligns coverage with current clinical practice and helps ensure that access to this treatment is based on medical need rather than patient's ability to pay. Five other states have now enacted legislation requiring coverage for scalp cooling.
- Lisa Raub
Person
Californians and all Californians deserve to have access to this standard of care as well. Thank you so much for your consideration and support of AB 1682.
- Akilah Weber Pierson
Legislator
Thank you. If there's anyone else in the audience that would like to speak or register their support, please come to the microphone. State your name, your organization, and your position.
- Brock Campbell
Person
Brock Campbell from Lighthouse Baptist Church in Santa Maria in support.
- Emily Campbell
Person
Emily Campbell with Lighthouse Baptist Church in Santa Maria in support.
- Akilah Weber Pierson
Legislator
Thank you. Seeing no others, I would like to register their support. If there's anyone in the audience who would like to speak as a primary lead in opposition, this is your time to come forward to the table. Seeing no one, if there's anyone that would like to register their opposition, this is your time to come to the microphone. State your name, your organization, and your position.
- Akilah Weber Pierson
Legislator
Seeing no one else, we will bring up I'll bring it back to the committee. Senator Menjivar.
- Caroline Menjivar
Legislator
Thank you, Madam Chair. As a Member, the I definitely wish our health coverage covered everything that an individual needs and not have to go through these barriers. But as the author of a previous, bill on essential health benefit, recognizing that a lot of often time, we pass these bills and if it exceeds it, we can't cover it and we have to go through the whole approval from the Federal Government.
- Caroline Menjivar
Legislator
So I'm just I'm still waiting to hear back if it's gonna go if it's gonna exceed our EHBs because I'm trying to be a little bit more mindful of of those bills that are gonna exceed it. Recognizing that it goes through the whole process.
- Caroline Menjivar
Legislator
But again, I wish it was up to us, right, we'd have all of these covered. So I just wanna make sure that you knew that.
- Akilah Weber Pierson
Legislator
Seeing no further comments, really wanna thank you so much, Assembly Member Hart, for bringing this bill forward and really thank your witnesses for coming and sharing your very personal stories with us. You know, scalp cooling has been shown. It's evident based to show that it really does help, prevent hair loss at a time when it's so devastating for for individuals and their families. I appreciate the fact that you've brought this forward. I understand what Senator Menjivar is saying.
- Akilah Weber Pierson
Legislator
There's only so much that we should be adding on and the cost of premiums and things like that. But this is something that I think is is definitely important. And as people live longer and as we learn more about different things, unfortunately, more people will be touched by individuals and their families or in their close surroundings who have been diagnosed with things like breast cancer or have to undergo chemotherapy for other things as well.
- Akilah Weber Pierson
Legislator
And so I do think that this is a very important addition that we offer for, for patients and their families at this time. So I will let you close, and at the appropriate time, we'll take a motion on your bill.
- Gregg Hart
Legislator
Thank you. Well, thank you for your comments, and thank you very much for the witness's testimony. And, Senator Menjivar, thank you for your comments about the cost. That is an issue, obviously. But hearing the news of cancer diagnosis is one of the most difficult moments a person can face.
- Gregg Hart
Legislator
The treatment journey that follows is physically draining, emotionally challenging, financially, often disastrous for patients and their families. And as patients are focusing on fighting cancer, they deserve access to supportive care that helps preserve their dignity, confidence, and quality of life. For many, scalp cooling can make a meaningful difference during an incredibly difficult time. This bill helps ensure that access to the supportive care is not determined by a patient's ability to pay. It's a practical and compassionate step to support Californians undergoing chemotherapy.
- Gregg Hart
Legislator
And when you have a quorum, I respectfully ask for an Aye vote. Thank you.
- Akilah Weber Pierson
Legislator
Thank you. Thank you so much, and thank you to your witnesses. We will now move to file item 16, AB 2093, Assemblymember Rebecca Bauer-Kahan. And if there are any other Assemblymembers who wish to have their bills heard and held today, I would recommend that you come down to 0 Street Room 1200. And Assemblymember, you may begin.
- Rebecca Bauer-Kahan
Legislator
My patience paid off. I love it, madam Chair. Thank you. As many of you are aware, I'm happy to present AB 2093 as the Chair mentioned. And I wanna thank madam Chair, you, for our conversation, and the staff for their work on this bill and the conversations we've had.
- Rebecca Bauer-Kahan
Legislator
I know this was, a later gut and amend, but, this bill is critically important.
- Rebecca Bauer-Kahan
Legislator
As many of you know, in 2022, I authored and this legislature passed AB 988, exciting moment to really roll out the nine eighty eight system here in California and envision a future where we would have an entry point for Californians into a crisis care continuum that started with a 988 phone call, but allowed for someone to call through the 98 system someone to show up through our mobile crisis teams, and then eventually, hopefully, somewhere to go through the work we did on the bond.
- Rebecca Bauer-Kahan
Legislator
And so now that we have twelve year term limits, it allows us to look back after a few years and see if the goals that we set out to achieve are working. And so this year, through the speaker's new oversight and accountability tool, the Assembly Health Committee in partnership with my office did an oversight of the nine eighty eight system, and we started to find things that, frankly, were not working as we had intended.
- Rebecca Bauer-Kahan
Legislator
When we set up the program, for example, we gave, OES primary responsibility over the fee, which at the time made sense because we were setting up the phone system.
- Rebecca Bauer-Kahan
Legislator
Technological question. But now years out, we are seeing that the coordination with mobile crisis and the role of HHS and other agencies is really critical, and maybe more coordination is needed there. In addition, we had required that the system be set up with interoperability between 911 and 988, which is critically important because we don't want Californians to ever 88. And if they call 988 and they need an ambulance, they should be able to get into the 911 system.
- Rebecca Bauer-Kahan
Legislator
And if they call 911, what they really need is mental health crisis support.
- Rebecca Bauer-Kahan
Legislator
They should be able to be given a warm handoff into the 988 system. And I had the privilege of visiting our call centers as part of this process, and then interoperability is very much not in place. And it turned out there was a difference in opinion about the definition of interoperability between me as the author and my intent and I think what the legislature understood and agency.
- Rebecca Bauer-Kahan
Legislator
And so this bill also wants to really create that interoperability that I believe was always intended but has not come into fruition. So the bill does a few things.
- Rebecca Bauer-Kahan
Legislator
It establishes clear statewide leadership and accountability. It improves that coordination. It integrates mobile crisis teams into the 988 system, and it creates a more sustainable funding process. And with that, I will turn it over to my witnesses to testify on the bill.
- Akilah Weber Pierson
Legislator
Thank you. You both have a combined total of five minutes.
- Tara Gamboa-Eastman
Person
Good afternoon, Chair and members. My name is Tara Gamboa-Eastman, and I'm the director of government affairs for the Steinberg Institute, a proud cosponsor of both AB 988 and AB 2093. When the legislature passed AB 988 in 2022, California made a commitment to build a comprehensive behavioral health crisis response system, someone to call, someone to come, and somewhere to go. As implementation has moved forward, a number of challenges have emerged that cannot be solved administratively alone.
- Tara Gamboa-Eastman
Person
These issues have not been identified by any one stakeholder or in any one forum.
- Tara Gamboa-Eastman
Person
Over just the last six months, they have been discussed repeatedly in multiple budget hearings, an informational hearing, the AB 988 Policy Advisory Group, and most recently, the Assembly's May Oversight Hearing examining the performance of California's nine eighty eight system. The findings have been remarkably consistent, unclear statewide leadership and accountability, gaps in coordination between nine eighty eight, nine eleven, and mobile crisis teams, and funding processes that make it difficult to plan for future demand and system growth. AB 2,093 is reflective of those findings.
- Tara Gamboa-Eastman
Person
It is a targeted cleanup bill that responds directly to lessons learned during implementation and addresses problems that cannot be fully resolved without statutory changes. Most importantly, this is about building a system that works.
- Tara Gamboa-Eastman
Person
Every day, Californians rely on 988 during some of the most difficult moments of their lives, and the success of the broader crisis continuum depends on getting these foundational pieces right. AB 2,093 doesn't change the vision established in AB 988. It provides the governance, coordination, and planning tools needed to carry out the legislature's original intent and ensure California can fully deliver on the promise of someone to call, someone to come, and somewhere to go.
- Tara Gamboa-Eastman
Person
This bill has no opposition and I respectfully request your high vote. Thank you.
- Narja Dillon
Person
Good afternoon, Chair and members. My name is Narja Sohori Dillon. I'm the President of 90 Day California Crisis Center Consortium representing the state's 11 crisis centers. I'm also the Executive Director of Crisis Support Services of Alameda County. We run the nine eighty eight center in Oakland.
- Narja Dillon
Person
I'm here with strong support for AB 2 thousand and ninety three. Every day, California's nine eighty eight centers answer calls, texts and chats from people experiencing suicidal crisis, mental health emergencies, substance use concerns and emotional distress. We're often the first point of contact when someone reaches out for help. Over the last year, the demand for nine eighty eight services has grown by nearly 40%. This is exactly what we hoped would happen when California invested in building the system.
- Narja Dillon
Person
More Californias know about 988. They trust us and they're using it. But from the perspective of the centers operating the system, we're now reaching a point where implementation challenges must be addressed if we're going to deliver on the full promise of AB 988. As call centers, we need planning processes that are tied to actual demand and system needs. We need a seat at the table when statewide decisions are being made about how nine eighty eight operates.
- Narja Dillon
Person
We need clear accountability for implementation and we need ongoing collaboration between state agencies, crisis centers, counties, providers and people with lived experience as California continues building a comprehensive crisis continuum. The reality is that many of the most important implementations decisions are still ahead of us. California is working towards stronger integration with mobile crisis teams, improved coordination with nine eleven, expanded access to local resources and a more connected crisis response system.
- Narja Dillon
Person
The organizations answering nine eighty eight contacts every day have valuable operational expertise to contribute to those conversations. AB 2,093 helps ensure that expertise remains part of the process.
- Narja Dillon
Person
It creates a structure for continued collaboration, transparency and planning as California moves from building a nine eighty eight system to strengthening and improving it. The centers I represent have been doing this work for decades. We're proud of how far California has come and we believe AB 2093 is an important step toward ensuring the system continues to evolve and meet the needs of Californians in crisis. We respectfully ask for your aye vote. Thank you.
- Akilah Weber Pierson
Legislator
Thank you. If there's anyone else that would like to register their support for this bill please come to the microphone. State your name, your organization and your position only.
- George Cruz
Person
George Cruz on behalf of the California Behavioral Health Association. Proud to co sponsor of this bill and proud to co sponsor the original AB 988 and representing one quarter of all nine eighty eight call centers in strong support. Thank you.
- Trent Murphy
Person
Good afternoon. Trent Murphy with the California Association of Alcohol and Drug Programs executives in support. Thank you.
- Annie Thomas
Person
Hi. Annie Thomas on behalf of the California Alliance of Child and Family Services in support.
- Lizzie Guansona
Person
Good afternoon. Lizzie Guansona here on behalf of the California State Association of Psychiatrists in support.
- Jordan Curley
Person
Jordan Curley on behalf of the Steinberg Institute. I've also been asked to offer support from CASRA, the Miles Hall Foundation, the, California Coalition for Behavioral Health, and Smart Justice.
- Unidentified Speaker
Lauren, thank you at the Kennedy Forum, cosponsors of the original 988 bill in support.
- Lex Olamio
Person
Good afternoon. My name is Lex Olamio, and, I'm here in on behalf of LGBTQ plus Inclusivity, Visibility, and Empowerment or LIVE in support. Thank you.
- Unidentified Speaker 071ID Pending
Hello. Alondra Garcia Perez from the California Youth Empowerment Network, Kian in support.
- Unidentified Speaker 029ID Pending
Good afternoon. Anthony Guedebay Mena on behalf of cosponsors at Mental Health America of California, support.
- Unidentified Speaker 073ID Pending
Sarah Webber with the Drug Policy Alliance in support.
- Akilah Weber Pierson
Legislator
Thank you. Not seeing anyone else who'd like to register their support. If there's anyone that would like to speak as lead opposition, this is your time to come forward to the table. Not seeing any movement. If anyone would like to register their opposition, please come forward to the table.
- Akilah Weber Pierson
Legislator
Not seeing anyone, we'll now bring it back to the committee. Vice Chair Valladares.
- Suzette Martinez Valladares
Legislator
Thank you, madam Chair. Well, first of all, I was a a proud supporter of the first nine eighty eight bill many many moons ago. And I would like to see it, you know, move forward and actually function the way that I think we all intended it for it to to function. I do have some questions Can you can you
- Suzette Martinez Valladares
Legislator
You better that are more on the technical side. And I was hoping do we have anyone from c CBHDA here?
- Suzette Martinez Valladares
Legislator
Okay. So there were a there's some, I think, pretty valid concerns and amendments that were brought up at least in the analysis. And I was just curious to know if if you would be taking any of those. I think this is being dual referred. Is that is that That's
- Suzette Martinez Valladares
Legislator
So if you could speak to the amendments or I could read through them, but I would appreciate some feedback on that.
- Rebecca Bauer-Kahan
Legislator
Yeah. And I'll and so we are in conversations with them. They were a partner on the first ninety day that you, mentioned. And this really is a good to your point, this is a good governance bill. This is really a look back and did we do it right?
- Rebecca Bauer-Kahan
Legislator
And I think that, honestly, we should do this more often with our legislation. And so we really are hoping that as many people come to the table as possible who want the system to work, and they are absolutely among those partners. At this point, that came in so recently. We haven't, had any opportunities. And I will say, I forgot to say in my opening remarks, so I'll clarify now that I've had conversations with the Chair.
- Rebecca Bauer-Kahan
Legislator
And, this committee will absolutely be remaining a part of those conversations in figuring out how best to deal with the interagency operations, which is part of what was highlighted there. But if the Chair wouldn't mind if my sponsor might address it. Thank you.
- Unidentified Speaker 012ID Pending
the Steinberg Institute. CBHDA's concerns largely seem, to be about including greater County conversation, which I think makes perfect sense as we continue the conversation, especially around mobile crisis team. In regards to the specific amendments, we are meeting with them tomorrow morning.
- Unidentified Speaker 012ID Pending
think it'll be part of the next Committee's conversations, but not currently able to speak more specifically to their proposals.
- Suzette Martinez Valladares
Legislator
Okay. So I mean, one of the things that and I would just I'm sure, you know, I know sometimes amendments come through at the last minute. I know, we're we're trying especially this time of year, we're trying to move things forward. And I do I mean, I think there's some some validity to some of their amendments requesting that the county behavioral health and agencies that are actually responsible for implementation of a lot of this be at the table when developing it.
- Suzette Martinez Valladares
Legislator
I would like to see I just wanna make sure we're getting it right. So I'd like to see you continue to work with some of the I guess they're neutral. They're not they're not exactly in opposition. But thank you.
- Akilah Weber Pierson
Legislator
Seeing no further comments, wanna, thank the Assembly member for your dedication, on this. This is definitely one of the ones that you have really honed in and you're working on, you know, every year to make sure that we get it right. It is important that we do get it right. This is a very important system that we are trying to develop here in California. And, you know, we are all very well aware of the challenges with in our behavioral health space.
- Akilah Weber Pierson
Legislator
Things have just gotten even worse after COVID. And, you know, we're really trying to figure out how we can bring a system up to where it should have already been You know, long, long, long time ago. With this particular bill, kind of to the vice chair's point, this was a gut and amend, which always shortens the time frame.
- Akilah Weber Pierson
Legislator
And so committee staff was not able to do as much with this bill as we would have liked to to have said, yes, this is good from a health perspective to get it out. But recognizing that this is an important issue to get right, we're gonna go ahead and let it out with, as the Assembly member say stated, the commitment that our staff will continue to work with your staff and your sponsors as you move into the next committee.
- Akilah Weber Pierson
Legislator
So that whatever bill lands on the floor and then back on the Assembly is one that is a little bit better hashed out than maybe what we have today. But really wanna appreciate your commitment to this issue. And with that, you may close.
- Rebecca Bauer-Kahan
Legislator
Thank you, madam Chair. I really appreciate, sort of what was highlighted today, which was the bipartisanship of this effort and how it matters to every community across the state because we all experience this every day. And, just wanna express immense gratitude to the people who answer these calls every day and save the lives of the Californians who need it. They are the heart of this system. And with that, I respectfully ask your aye vote.
- Akilah Weber Pierson
Legislator
Thank you. And at the appropriate time, we will take it.
- Akilah Weber Pierson
Legislator
Okay. I see, file item number six, AB 1843, Assemblymember El Haware. And you may begin whenever you are ready.
- Sade Elhawary
Legislator
Good afternoon, madam Chair and members. I am proud to present AB 1843, a bill that removes unnecessary administrative barriers and ensures Californians can access life saving hepatitis c treatment without delay. Hepatitis c is a serious but curable disease. We're seeing nearly fifteen hundred deaths each year in California, even though treatment today cures over ninety five percent of cases in as little as eight to twelve weeks. The problem is not the treatment, it's the access.
- Sade Elhawary
Legislator
Right now, too many people face delays because of prior authorization, unnecessary testing, and insurance requirements that don't improve care, but just slow it down. AB 1843 aligns health plans with current medical guidelines and removes those barriers to patients so patients can get treated when they need it. When treatment is delayed, people get sicker, and something that could have been cured becomes much harder to treat.
- Sade Elhawary
Legislator
According to the CHBURP analysis, the bill's impact on monthly premiums is negligible at most between 2 tenths of a cent excuse me, 2 hundredths of a cent and 1 tenth of a cent per member. This bill also builds on the progress we've already made.
- Sade Elhawary
Legislator
Medi Cal eliminated prior authorization for hepatitis C treatment in 2024. AV eighteen forty three extends that approach more broadly, so more Californians can benefit. And this matters most for the communities disproportionately impacted, including people of color, people experiencing homelessness, LGBTQ plus individuals, and people who struggle with substance abuse who already face barriers to care. Expanding access not only saves lives, but it also reduces long term health care long term health care costs by preventing more serious and expensive conditions down the line.
- Sade Elhawary
Legislator
Testifying with me today is Heather Lopez, lead caseworker at project h HCV Connect and Jonathan Frochsweig, director of health justice policy with San Francisco AIDS Foundation.
- Akilah Weber Pierson
Legislator
Thank you. You will have a combined total of five minutes.
- Unidentified Speaker 025ID Pending
Good afternoon. Is this all? My name is Heather Lopez and I'm the recent master of public health graduate from USC. I currently serve as a lead caseworker for project HTV Connect, a Los Angeles based program that links residents' security of hepatitis c treatment. Hepatitis C is a significant public health communicable disease problem.
- Unidentified Speaker 025ID Pending
It currently affects about four hundred thousand Californians. And in our program, we see that two thirds of our residents remain untreated. And a major barrier to treatment that we see is prior authorization. I spent hours talking to our untreated California residents.
- Unidentified Speaker 025ID Pending
I sit on the phone with them and hear their stories of how some have lived with the virus for more than twenty years, putting off getting treatment due to financial constraints, constant appointments to the next and next test, and who are overwhelmed by the system and the requirements they know they will inevitably face.
- Unidentified Speaker 025ID Pending
I know how thankful they are for our help. Our residents want to be treated. As a caseworker, I can get them to their appointment and in the door to the doctor's office. And the physician I work with wants to and is ready to treat them immediately. However, it is the inevitable next pro authorization step that gets in all of our way.
- Unidentified Speaker 025ID Pending
In our work, we've seen that these insurance imposed requirements can mandate dangerous and unnecessary procedures. These include liver biopsies where one in twenty patients might be at risk for life threatening bleeding and costly genotype testing which can run patients hundreds of dollars out of pocket even though leading medications are pan genotypic and can work regardless of the genotype. Beyond the patient burden already, prior authorizations exhaust our medical teams.
- Unidentified Speaker 025ID Pending
My colleagues spend up to thirteen hours per case chasing faxes, labs, providers, and patients fighting for a prior authorization approval. With your support and I vote on this important bill, we can align with evidence based care and share health equity and get our Californians secure.
- Unidentified Speaker 019ID Pending
Again, my name is Jonathan Froxwijk. I'm the director of health justice policy for San Francisco AIDS Foundation, which is a cosponsor of this legislation. As providers of hepatitis c treatment, we at San Francisco AIDS Foundation see firsthand the transformative impact that accessing a hepatitis c cure can have on a person's life. Unfortunately, many insurance companies in California prevent people living with hepatitis c from getting cured by requiring prior authorization for these drugs.
- Unidentified Speaker 019ID Pending
Requiring prior authorization for hep C treatment conflicts with the definitive medical guidelines on hepatitis C in The US, which recommend timely treatment for almost all people living with the disease.
- Unidentified Speaker 019ID Pending
Many insurers also request information or procedures that are not recommended, but are costly and dangerous, like liver biopsies. These insurance company hoops often result in people living with hep c not getting cured. About two thirds of people who have private insurance and are diagnosed with hep c don't start treatment within a year. PA is one reason why.
- Unidentified Speaker 019ID Pending
AB 1843 addresses this issue by first prohibiting insurers from requiring PA for most hep c treatment drugs, and second, requiring that insurers PA processes align with medical guidelines.
- Unidentified Speaker 019ID Pending
Treating hepatitis c saves the health care system money. This is just common sense. The cost of a single eight to twelve week course of medication is much lower than the cost of treating a lifetime of complications like cirrhosis and liver failure. The CHBURP analysis of AB 1843 found that for every person cured of hep c, the health care system saves $7,650 every year. The analysis also found that the bill would have a negligible impact on health insurance premiums.
- Unidentified Speaker 019ID Pending
Given this cost effectiveness, we strongly encourage you to advance AB 1843. Thank you for your consideration, and I'm happy to answer any questions.
- Akilah Weber Pierson
Legislator
Thank you. If there's anyone else in the audience that would like to register their support, please come to the microphone, state your name, your organization, and your position.
- Unidentified Speaker 035ID Pending
Good afternoon. Angela Hill with California Medical Association in support.
- Unidentified Speaker 018ID Pending
Christine Smith, Health Access California in support.
- Unidentified Speaker 023ID Pending
Scott Zuko with Liver Coalition of San Diego and the Eliminate Hepatitis C of San Diego County in support.
- Unidentified Speaker 063ID Pending
Sarah McDade Ting on behalf of the County Health Executives Association of California in support.
- Unidentified Speaker 030ID Pending
Isabela Argueta with the Health Officers Association of California in support.
- Unidentified Speaker 010ID Pending
Ryan, Susan on behalf of APLA Health in support. Thank you.
- Unidentified Speaker 030ID Pending
Sarah Webber with the Drug Policy Alliance in support.
- Unidentified Speaker 037ID Pending
Good afternoon. Laura O'Connor. As a Californian family member whose, sister passed away from Hep C, I'm in strong support of this bill. Her untimely death is due to delays in insurance and multiple different kinds of medications and hospitals, but it was very much part of this. So, thank you very much, Assembly Member.
- Unidentified Speaker 069ID Pending
Madam Chair and members, Rand Martin on behalf of the AIDS Healthcare Foundation in strong support of this bill. Thank you.
- Unidentified Speaker 024ID Pending
Good afternoon. Trent Murphy with the California Association of Alcohol and Drug Program Executives in support.
- Akilah Weber Pierson
Legislator
Thank you. Seeing no one else who would like to register their support, we'll now open it up to anyone that would like to speak as lead opposition to this bill. Please come to the table.
- Akilah Weber Pierson
Legislator
Thank you. Seeing no one else who would like to register their support, we'll now open it up to anyone that would like to speak as lead opposition to this bill. Please come to the table.
- Unidentified Speaker 032ID Pending
Thank you. Cassie Heckman on behalf of the California Association of Health Plans. While we appreciate the author's intent for AB 1843 today, we have significant policy concerns and must respectfully oppose it. AB 1843 prohibits plans from conducting prior authorization, or PA, on drugs used to treat hepatitis C. Just last year, the legislature passed SB306, which established a comprehensive regulatory process that evaluates use of prior authorization by health plans.
- Unidentified Speaker 032ID Pending
This is a real time regulation. Health plans will start submitting PA data to regulators next month. And as you know, regulators will review this data, then identify and publish a list of services that are approved more than 90% of the time. And on 01/01/2028 health plans will no longer require PA for those identified services. However, as a part of the SB306 process, it was determined and considered whether specialty drugs, particularly tier three and tier four, should be exempt.
- Unidentified Speaker 032ID Pending
Ultimately it was determined these medications should remain subject to PA, a decision that reflected the significant costs associated with these drugs and an understanding of the role PA can play in ensuring enrollees receive appropriate treatment for an affordable price. Therefore, we are concerned that AB1843 would deviate from the recent and deliberate policy decision to maintain U M safeguards for higher cost specialty medications. I'd also be remiss if I didn't also note the prescription drug prices have increased by more than 70% since 2017.
- Unidentified Speaker 032ID Pending
In the case of prescription drug mandates, CAP will continue to encourage thorough review of prescription drug costs, which remain a major driver of healthcare expenditures. And since health plans already cover drugs used to treat FC, we unfortunately oppose any mandate that prevents us from designing a formulary that preserves affordability and access for our enrollees.
- Unidentified Speaker 032ID Pending
For these reasons we respectfully oppose and want to thank the author and sponsors for their continued conversations.
- Unidentified Speaker 038ID Pending
Sorry. Good afternoon, Chair members. Matt Akin with the Association of California Life and Health Insurance Companies, also respectfully in opposition to AB 1843. In the interest of time, I would just like to align my comments with my colleague at Cap and just very quickly reiterate that we are concerned that this bill would broadly eliminate PA for an entire class of drugs, removing an important tool used to ensure safe, evidence based, and cost effective care.
- Unidentified Speaker 038ID Pending
We are also concerned that establishing drug specific coverage mandates into statute limits plans abilities to adapt to evolving clinical guidelines.
- Unidentified Speaker 038ID Pending
I wanna thank the author and sponsors for their continued engagement on this bill, and we look forward to future conversations as the bill moves forward today. Thank you.
- Akilah Weber Pierson
Legislator
Thank you. If there's anyone else that would like to register their opposition to the bill, this is your time to come forward to the microphone, state your name, your organization, and your position. Seeing no one, we'll bring it back to Senator Caballero.
- Anna Caballero
Legislator
Thank you, madam Chair. I appreciate you bringing this this this bill. Let me let me ask the the opposition, something because I Aye, I get processes and I understand processes. And Aye, I'm I'm a big believer that they're really critically important. You set up a process, you utilize it, and it and, it it achieves the goals for which the process was set up.
- Anna Caballero
Legislator
The challenge is is that we're talking about, a, disease that if not treated can result in death as we hear we heard, or a much more serious condition. And I wonder if your cost benefit analysis or your cost analysis whether the increase in a medical care after the fact or if a denial is achieved, if that's part of the analysis that's done.
- Anna Caballero
Legislator
Because I you know, I'm a big believer in prevention and the more we can get to the root of of what is causing our obesity, high blood pressure, hypertension, and and and the diabetes, the the diseases frankly, the diseases of excess in our in our society, the The more we're going to get a control over the very issue you're talking about which are prescription drugs that are driving up the cost of healthcare. So I wonder if you could address that particular issue.
- Unidentified Speaker 032ID Pending
Yeah. I would just say, you know, the context of AB 1843, I don't think our plans have done an analysis or a cost benefit analysis of, you know, further treatment being more cost effective than the particular cost of the drug. I will say this is an issue that health plans face regularly, which is the cost of prescription drugs. So, you know, it's not specific to this bill or specific to this disease.
- Unidentified Speaker 032ID Pending
It's just something that we have to consider when designing our formularies and, having negotiations.
- Akilah Weber Pierson
Legislator
Seeing no further comments, I want to thank you Assemblymember for, bringing this bill forward. It is a it's a it's a tough issue because it's not like these medications aren't covered, by insurance companies. It's it's just where they're tiered and so sometimes you do have prior authorization or you do have step therapy. And the other issue for me is the the entire SB306 process, that that was something that we just passed. It was negotiated.
- Akilah Weber Pierson
Legislator
These, Tier three and Tier four drugs were not included in that, primarily around the issue of cost. I'm assuming I was not in the room, I was not the author, but, understanding that getting the whole prior authorization bill through was something that was years in the making. And this does kind of seem to go around it or undo it a little bit.
- Akilah Weber Pierson
Legislator
And so understand the opposition's concern about opening this would then allow for a wide variety of other kind of medications in these tiers to be able to kind of skirt the process that we all agreed to last year. But definitely appreciate you bringing this bill forward.
- Sade Elhawary
Legislator
And definitely for us, it's not about skirting around the process, just recognizing the negligible cost, recognizing that it won't impact the broader framework, and knowing that this is just has such a high, rate of curing a disease that is really like, we know when someone has hepatitis c, when they go to the doctor, to have to go through another process of having to prove that they need these drugs, we recognize just is really, causing more harm.
- Sade Elhawary
Legislator
So really appreciate your consideration and, respectfully ask for your aye vote.
- Akilah Weber Pierson
Legislator
Thank you, and thank you to your witnesses. Once we get a quorum, we will take it up. Thank you. We will now move back to file item two, AB 1629, Assembly Member Haney. And you may begin when you're ready.
- Matt Haney
Legislator
Chair, and members. I wanna start by thanking you and your staff, for their work on the bill and accept the committee amendments. AB 1629 will help prevent patients from paying large upfront costs for out of network dental care by requiring insurers to pay dentists directly when a patient chooses to assign their benefits. Every month, millions of Californians pay their monthly dental insurance bill, but never get the care that they're entitled to. California has over 35,000 active dentists.
- Matt Haney
Legislator
The issue isn't a lack of dentists. It's that some insurance companies may narrowly exclude in network services, pushing patients to seek out of network care. Despite patients already obtaining assignment of benefits, non contracting providers may exclude from receiving direct payments with insurance insurance companies. 28 states have implemented assignment of benefits legislation that requires insurers to reimburse dentists directly, and California is behind.
- Matt Haney
Legislator
These restrictions force patients to travel long distances for care or pay the full out of pocket cost due to inadequate provider networks and restrictive insurance policies.
- Matt Haney
Legislator
In most cases, patients would have to pay the cost upfront and wait for prolonged periods to get reimbursed. Patients should not have to choose between paying large upfront costs or delaying dental care, care that can mean the difference between prevention and serious long term health consequences.
- Matt Haney
Legislator
AB 1629 will end this limbo by requiring insurers to reimburse dentists with a written assignment of benefits regardless of their contracting status rather than require patients to pay out of high out of pocket costs upfront and wait prolonged periods for reimbursement. It will also require insurance companies to report network adequacy data, which measures whether a health plan has enough in network dentists in the right locations.
- Matt Haney
Legislator
We've had productive conversations with opposition and other stakeholders and have taken significant amendments along the way with this bill, including I think ones that we work very closely with you and your staff on and which we appreciate.
- Matt Haney
Legislator
And, and with me in support of the bill to testify is Eric Dowdy from the California Dental Association and Shelby, Aravelo, a patient advocate coordinator.
- Unidentified Speaker 064ID Pending
Thank you, doctor Weber Pearson and members of the committee. Eric Dowdy with the California Dental Association. I'm proud to be sponsoring AB 1629. Too many Californians are paying for dental coverage they can't actually use. AB 1629 makes practical, targeted improvements to change that.
- Unidentified Speaker 064ID Pending
First, it strengthens network adequacy oversight to ensure that dental plans have enough dentists and patients to find in network dentists. And second, AB 1629 requires plans to honor a patient's assignment of benefits request. When a patient chooses an out of network dentist, the insurer would send payment directly to the dental office, not the patient. Without AOB, patients must pay the full cost of treatment out of pocket and then wait to be reimbursed. For working families.
- Unidentified Speaker 064ID Pending
That financial barrier makes their coverage effectively worthless. Assignment of benefits is not a new concept. As the Assemblymember said, '28 other states already have this requirement in place and dental plans, including Delta Dental, already comply where it's required and in some locations comply voluntarily where it's not. Importantly, states with assignment of benefits laws have not experienced shrinking dental networks or rising premiums. In many cases, we've seen just the opposite.
- Unidentified Speaker 064ID Pending
We appreciate the Committee's work on the amendments to be adopted today, which improve cost transparency and establish exceptionally strong disclosure requirements to protect patients, and we appreciate the long conversations with Committee staff on the bill and remain committed to pursuing additional transparency and plan accountability as a key part of dental insurance reform. For these reasons, we respectfully ask for your nigh vote.
- Unidentified Speaker 041ID Pending
Good afternoon, chairperson and members of the committee. My name is Shelby Arevalo, and I'm the founder of the National Dental Advocacy Program, a California founded nonprofit organization dedicated to helping patients navigate barriers to accessing dental care. Today, we serve patients across California and throughout The United States. I have spent more than sixteen years in dentistry, beginning chairside as a dental assistant and advancing through management, billing, and coding.
- Unidentified Speaker 041ID Pending
Today, I serve as a board certified patient advocate working directly with patients, families, and providers navigating a healthcare system that is often confusing, overwhelming, and difficult to access.
- Unidentified Speaker 041ID Pending
Through this work, I see firsthand the barriers patients face when simply trying to obtain dental care. Many patients, particularly those in rural communities, those with disabilities, complex medical conditions, or severe dental anxiety struggle to find an in network provider able to meet their needs. When they finally locate a qualified dentist who can provide treatment, they're often met with another barrier, the inability to assign their insurance benefits directly to that provider.
- Unidentified Speaker 041ID Pending
I have worked with patients suffering from severe infections, patients requiring sedation, and patients who have spent months searching for care. In many cases, they they they call dozens of offices before finding a provider who can help them.
- Unidentified Speaker 041ID Pending
Yet, even after finding treatment, some are required to pay the entire cost upfront and wait for reimbursement because their dental plan refuses to honor their assignment of benefits request. For many families, that financial burden is simply impossible. Patients should not be penalized for seeking care from a provider who can meet their needs, especially when network limitations leave them with few practical options. Assignment of benefits is not about providers. It's about patient choice, access to care, and removing unnecessary financial barriers that delay treatment.
- Unidentified Speaker 041ID Pending
AB 1629 also helps address concerns surrounding network adequacy by ensuring regulators have a more complete picture of the provider network patients rely on. Access to care begins with accurate accountability. Every meaningful improvement in healthcare starts when patients have a seat at the table. AB 1629 represents an important step toward improving access, transparency, and fairness for the patients we serve. Thank you for your time and consideration.
- Unidentified Speaker 041ID Pending
I respectfully ask for your vote in favor of AB 1629.
- Akilah Weber Pierson
Legislator
If there's anyone else in the audience that would like to register their support for this bill, please come to the microphone, state your name, your organization, and your position.
- Unidentified Speaker 014ID Pending
Good afternoon, Chair. Jasmine Asher representing the California Association of Orthodontists. We are in support.
- Unidentified Speaker 076ID Pending
Madam Chair and members, Janice O'Malley with AFSCME California in support.
- Unidentified Speaker 043ID Pending
Michelle Rivas on behalf of the California Association of Oral and Maxillofacial Surgeons in support.
- Unidentified Speaker 001ID Pending
Kevin Guzman with the California Medical Association in support.
- Unidentified Speaker 044ID Pending
Good afternoon, Chair and members. Jennifer Tannehill with Erin Reed and Associates on behalf of the California Dental Hygienists Association also in support.
- Akilah Weber Pierson
Legislator
Thank you. Seeing no further individuals wishing to register their support, if there's anyone in the audience that would like to speak as lead opposition, please come to the table, stay and you will have a combined total of five minutes.
- Unidentified Speaker 030ID Pending
Chair Pearson, members of the committee, my name is Sierra Feldman on behalf of Delta Dental of California in respectful opposition to AB 1629. While we do appreciate that and acknowledge the amendments that have been proposed, we remain significantly concerned about the impact this bill will have to patients. We want strong networks. We want as big of networks as possible. But when dental networks weaken, patients lose access to in network care resulting in higher out of pocket costs.
- Unidentified Speaker 030ID Pending
Strong dental networks are essential to patient access and affordability and plans want to partner with providers. But network participation is a two way partnership. Dentists agree to negotiated fees and consumer protections in exchange for this direct payment and patient volume. And direct payment is a key driver of network participation. AB 1629 is mandating that we extend the benefit of direct payment to non contracted dentists without them agreeing to consumer protections or negotiated fees.
- Unidentified Speaker 030ID Pending
This undermines network participation, pushing patients out of network where care is more expensive and the protections are weaker. The risk to networks is not theoretical. In our assessment, states with similar policies have seen declines in network participation. And in California, even a modest decline could translate into hundreds of million dollars of increased out of pocket costs to patients. And this is a cost borne by patients, not dental plans.
- Unidentified Speaker 030ID Pending
In network dentists cannot charge more than the negotiated fee, whereas out of network dentists can charge their full charges. AB 1629 would allow non contract dentists to receive direct payment from a plan while still billing patients for the remaining balance. If assignment of benefits is expanded, it is critical that providers who receive direct payment from a plan accept that payment as payment in full aside from any cross sharing.
- Unidentified Speaker 030ID Pending
Allowing providers to bill a patient after a plan's payment continues to shift the higher out of pocket cost to patients. Plans are committed to working with providers but ultimately as written this bill still continues to weaken networks limiting access to in network care, stripping negotiated protections and driving up out of network costs.
- Unidentified Speaker 030ID Pending
For these reasons we respectfully urge your no vote. Thank you.
- Unidentified Speaker 020ID Pending
Good afternoon madam Chair and members. Christy Weese on behalf of the California Association of Dental Plans. We are opposed to the bill in print. We received the amendments last night and are reviewing them with our association members and are working through that process today as we speak. We want to acknowledge that the hard work of the committee and these amendments do go a long way towards removing the association's concerns particularly the removal of the language requiring predetermination that was particularly problematic for our plan members.
- Unidentified Speaker 020ID Pending
I think the the most important thing for the associations members is to make sure that our plan members understand you know when they're going out of network right what the implications of that are, what the costs are, what benefits they may not be receiving from their plan and just really to make sure that our plan members understand their benefits and are using them as much as possible. So we're we're still opposed at this time but really appreciate how far the bill has come. Thank you.
- Akilah Weber Pierson
Legislator
Thank you. If there's anyone else in the audience that would like to register their opposition, this is your time to come to the microphone. State your name, your organization, and your position.
- Unidentified Speaker 002ID Pending
Alexis Rodriguez with the California Chamber of Commerce in opposition. Thank you.
- Unidentified Speaker 045ID Pending
Olga Shiloh with the California Association of Helplands also in opposition. Thank you. Thank you.
- Unidentified Speaker 038ID Pending
Matt Akin with the Association of California Life and Health Insurance Companies also respectfully in opposition.
- Akilah Weber Pierson
Legislator
Thank you. Seeing no further individuals that would like to register their opposition, we'll bring it back to committee members. Well, I would like to thank you Assemblymember Haney for bringing this bill forward, for allowing for us to engage in this conversation. It's it's not the easiest issue. We've had some pretty tough negotiations, but really appreciate your staff, the sponsors, the health staff, and being able to get us to the place that we are today.
- Matt Haney
Legislator
Thank you. I appreciate it. And thank you, madam Chair, and to to your staff. As you said, there was a lot of great work done on this bill under your direction, and I really do appreciate everyone who's participated including the opposition. We we do have amendments that I think address some some of the concerns, and I know that the conversations will will be ongoing hopefully as this bill moves forward and very much respectfully ask for your aye vote.
- Akilah Weber Pierson
Legislator
Absolutely. At the appropriate time, we will. And just wanna clarify that the amendments because, again, this was a tough negotiation, but they will have to be adopted in business and professions and not in this committee because of timing.
- Akilah Weber Pierson
Legislator
We will now move to file item number five, AB 2540 by Assemblymember Stefani. And you may begin whenever you are ready.
- Catherine Stefani
Legislator
Thank you, madam Chair and, colleagues. Today, I'm presenting AB 2540, which is the Community College Student Right to Access Act. And first, I wanna start by thanking the committee staff for their hard work and partnership with my office, as well as the community colleges for their thoughtful engagement throughout this process. I will be accepting the amendments we have agreed to, which will be taken in the next committee. So thank you so much for that.
- Catherine Stefani
Legislator
Four years ago today, the United States Supreme Court overturned Roe v Wade. With one decision, the court stripped away a constitutional right that millions of Americans had relied on for nearly half a century. It was a devastating step backward for reproductive freedom. California responded by reaffirming our commitment to reproductive health care. California has long said that access to care should not depend on who you are, where you live, or how much money you have.
- Catherine Stefani
Legislator
But today, that is exactly what happens for many college students in our state. Imagine two students living in the same community. One attends a UC or CSU, the other attends a community college. Both are working towards a degree. Both may be balancing jobs, family responsibilities, and the pressures of school.
- Catherine Stefani
Legislator
Both need access to reproductive health care. But only the student at the UC or CSU is guaranteed access to medication abortion services through their campus health system. The other student at the community college may have to navigate transportation barriers, take time off for work, find a provider miles away, which we've heard stories of, or simply go without care altogether. And the reality is the student facing those barriers is often the student who can least afford them.
- Catherine Stefani
Legislator
Community college students are among the most diverse students in California.
- Catherine Stefani
Legislator
They are more likely to be low income, more likely to be first generation college students, more likely to be working while attending school, and more likely to be balancing family and caregiving responsibilities. These students are doing everything we ask of them. They are pursuing an education, building a future, and strengthening our workforce. Yet when it comes to access to reproductive health care, we are not treating them the same as students attending four year institutions. That disparity is what AB 2540 is solving for.
- Catherine Stefani
Legislator
This bill expands equitable access to medication abortion services for students attending community colleges by requiring colleges with existing student health centers to provide these services. And let me be clear. Reproductive health care is essential health care. Access to that care should not depend on whether a student attends a UC, a c a CSU, or a community college. This bill allows services to be provided through existing campus health centers, through telehealth, through contracted providers, or community partnerships.
- Catherine Stefani
Legislator
It also improves transparency by requiring colleges to publish information about available services so students know where they can turn for care. Reproductive health care. And with me today in support
- Catherine Stefani
Legislator
for California support is Alicia Nagpal, who is with the Student Senate for California Community Colleges, and doctor Pana Lassi, a family medic medicine physician who has provided primary and abortion care for over thirty years.
- Akilah Weber Pierson
Legislator
Thank you. You will have a combined total of five minutes.
- Unidentified Speaker 047ID Pending
Good afternoon, Chair Webber Pearson and members of this committee. My name is Alicia Nachbaum, and I sit here as behalf on as the vice president of legislative affairs for the student senate for the California Community Colleges, the official voice of 2,200,000 students across California. I am also here not just as a student leader, but as someone personally impacted by reproductive health challenges. Our support for this bill is grounded in distribution of clear and comprehensive information for available reproductive and sexual health resources, which AB 2540 establishes.
- Unidentified Speaker 047ID Pending
AB 2,540 is an effort to provide equity when it comes to reproductive healthcare to some of our most vulnerable populations.
- Unidentified Speaker 047ID Pending
While students at the UC and CSU campuses already have access to medicated abortion services through SB 24 in 2019, community college students do not. They are more likely to be low income, working, and place bound. Students in remote areas such as the Far North often don't have the same access to services that students in urban regions may have. Students who are struggling to make ends meet may not have reliable health care.
- Unidentified Speaker 047ID Pending
With this discrepancy, students in the CCC system are disproportionately affected and cannot access timely reproductive health care.
- Unidentified Speaker 047ID Pending
Instead, they may be forced to miss class, delay their education or drop out entirely. Barriers to care become barriers to college completion. This matters for most of this matters most for the students who are already navigating the greatest challenges. Foster youth and documented students, students of color and first generation students who have the least margin of disruption in their lives. Access to these resources expands on the equity work that should be strived for in healthcare and in higher education.
- Unidentified Speaker 047ID Pending
This bill ensures that students are well informed about services and how to access them. The bill means timely, affordable care. It means privacy, dignity, and autonomy when students seek support. And it affirms a simple truth. Community college students deserve the same standard of care as any other student in California.
- Unidentified Speaker 047ID Pending
AB 2,540 affirms a simple truth. Us community college students deserve the same standard of care. We respectfully urge your aye vote. Thank you.
- Unidentified Speaker 048ID Pending
Hello. Hi. I'm my name is doctor Pana Lassi, and I'm a family medicine physician who has provided primary care and abortion care for over thirty years. I'm also the very proud mother of a daughter who just finished a fabulous culinary program at our local community college. Many of my daughter's classmates and friends come from immigrant and low income families and worked part time or full time while going to school.
- Unidentified Speaker 048ID Pending
If we truly believe in reproductive freedom, justice, and equity in California, then we must pass this bill. I wanna stress how safe early medication abortion is. A recent study in the journal, contraception, shows that staying pregnant was 35 times deadlier than having an abortion. The major complication rate is less than half a percent, and the mortality rate is zero point six per hundred thousand procedures. For comparison, the mortality rate for a colonoscopy is approximately three per hundred thousand procedures, five times higher.
- Unidentified Speaker 048ID Pending
I understand that the idea of providing medication abortion might feel daunting to people who have not been active in reproductive health care recently, but it is very doable. My family practice clinic started offering medication abortions in 2003, twenty three years ago, so I have firsthand experience. I also help Sonoma State implement medication abortion services after SB 24 and have consulted with many other clinics about adding abortion care to their practices. What has been universally true is that it feels scary before starting.
- Unidentified Speaker 048ID Pending
But after implement implementation, providers reflect that it's really not medically or technically difficult at all.
- Unidentified Speaker 048ID Pending
Routine ultrasounds and follow ups are no longer required. And if providers have questions, they can call the California state funded UCSF reproductive health hotline for immediate free help. There are also free on call services to help patients after hours. The benefit to students is enormous. By not having to delay care and interrupt their studies because they can get what they need from trusted providers right on campus.
- Unidentified Speaker 048ID Pending
I know that everyone working in the community college system is committed to providing the best education and health care to their students and I strongly encourage a yes vote on AB 2540. Thank you very much.
- Akilah Weber Pierson
Legislator
Thank you. If there's anyone else in the audience that would like to register their support, please come forward, state your name, your organization and your position.
- Unidentified Speaker 049ID Pending
Chair members, Austin Webster, with W Strategies on behalf of the Student Senate for California Community Colleges, also here just to answer questions.
- Unidentified Speaker 028ID Pending
Thank you, Chair members. Angela Pontus on behalf of Planned Parenthood Affiliates of California in support.
- Unidentified Speaker 035ID Pending
Good afternoon. Angela Hill with the California Medical Association, in support.
- Unidentified Speaker 068ID Pending
Lizzie Guasona here on behalf of Training and Early Abortion for Comprehensive Health Care or Teach, in support.
- Unidentified Speaker 050ID Pending
Good afternoon. Georgia Apostolatis on behalf of Lieutenant Governor Eleni Gunalakis in support. Thank you. Thank you.
- Unidentified Speaker 006ID Pending
Good afternoon. Adam Cagle on behalf of California LULAC in support.
- Unidentified Speaker 018ID Pending
Christine Smith, Halifax is California in support.
- Unidentified Speaker 003ID Pending
Martin Rudasovich on behalf of Reproductive Freedom for All California cosponsors.
- Liz Ortega
Legislator
Good afternoon. Isla Bravo on behalf of URGE and California Latinas for Reproductive Justice. Proud cosponsors in support.
- Unidentified Speaker 037ID Pending
Hello. Alana Laddesa on behalf of the American Nurses Association of California in support.
- Unidentified Speaker 052ID Pending
Hi. Kim Robinson, with Black Women for Wellness Action Project and also, giving AME two for Access Reproductive Health, in support and also co sponsors.
- Akilah Weber Pierson
Legislator
Thank you. Seeing no one else that would like to register their support, if you would like to speak as lead opposition, this is your time to come to the table. Just two witnesses to speak as lead opposition. Thank you. And you both will have a combined total of five minutes.
- Unidentified Speaker 053ID Pending
Hi. Good afternoon, Chair members. My name is Michelle Barclay representing Health Services Association California Community Colleges, HSA CCC. We have a we have an opposed position on the bill at this time, but anticipate removing opposition based on amendments discussed this week. To be clear, HSA CCC strongly supports students' access to comprehensive reproductive health care, including abortion.
- Unidentified Speaker 053ID Pending
We appreciate the author, committee sponsors, and the chancellor's office for the continued collaboration and thoughtful work on recent amendments on this on AB 2540. We especially value the added flexibility allowing colleges to partner with outside providers. This is an important step that recognizes campuses may support students through a mix of on-site services, telehealth, and community partnerships. We want to highlight a few practical considerations. Each model brings different operational needs.
- Unidentified Speaker 053ID Pending
On-site care may require new clinical staffing and infrastructure. Telehealth still requires, still relies on campus coordination and oversight. Community partnerships can be effective, but provider availability varies widely by the region. Community college health centers are already operating at or near capacity and are designed for short term care, implementing multiple service pathways simultaneously, while we'll take careful planning and support. Sustainable ongoing funding will be essential to ensure colleges can expand access while maintaining core services it's it's core services students depend on.
- Unidentified Speaker 053ID Pending
HSACC is committed to continuing to work collaboratively with the author authors and stakeholders to help ensure this bill is both student centered and implementable. Thank you for your consideration. Thank you.
- Unidentified Speaker 036ID Pending
Good afternoon, Chair and members. My name is Megan Pannell, and I am a current community college student at Folsom Lake College. I'm here today in opposition of AB 2540, which promotes and expands access to abortion drugs on community college campuses. While I have never been pregnant nor do I have any children of my own, I have worked in public education and watched friends juggle school and parenthood.
- Unidentified Speaker 036ID Pending
The stress of going to school for a degree alone is a lot, and to be able to handle that while also being a parent is something I have always admired in others.
- Unidentified Speaker 036ID Pending
It shows how strong people can be while also showing their children that nothing is impossible. Instead of promoting abortion and choosing to end a life out of convenience, we should be giving college students resources to help them. For example, providing them with options for adoption if they choose they aren't ready to be a parent, offering childcare centers on campus so that they can attend class while their child is well cared for cared for.
- Unidentified Speaker 036ID Pending
My mother was sexually assaulted at a young age and got pregnant with me. Rather than telling someone, she chose to hide her pregnancy because she wanted me to wanted to give me the ultimate gift of life.
- Unidentified Speaker 036ID Pending
She knew there was a chance that someone would try to pressure her into abortion. She's my inspiration to fight for the millions of beautiful children who have no voice. Time or circumstance should not dictate the value of life. Did I deserve to die for the crimes of my father? California does not impose capital punishment.
- Unidentified Speaker 036ID Pending
If we do not punish criminals with death, why should an innocent child receive a death sentence because of the circumstances of his or her conception? Why are we so quick to end a life out of convenience instead of offering resources for the mother and her child? Young women with unplanned pregnancy should be encouraged to have their children instead of making abortion an option women feel pressured into because that's the only option offered for an unplanned pregnancy.
- Unidentified Speaker 036ID Pending
From someone who is happy to be alive, I respectfully urge a no vote on AB 2540.
- Akilah Weber Pierson
Legislator
Thank you. If there's anyone else in the audience that would like to register their opposition, please come and state your name, your organization, and your position
- Unidentified Speaker 004ID Pending
only. Good afternoon. David Bullock on behalf of the SFV Alliance. We are in opposition. Thank you.
- Unidentified Speaker 050ID Pending
My name is Leandra Wells with the California Family Council. I completed my degree three weeks after my baby boy is boy was born. We we respectfully oppose this bill. Thank you.
- Unidentified Speaker 001ID Pending
James Delcourt, Living Well Medical Clinic, Grass Valley, stand opposed.
- Unidentified Speaker 054ID Pending
Good afternoon. Justin Selnick on behalf of the California Community College Chancellor's Office. We don't have an official position, but we are supportive of the intent. And we are aligned with the concerns of the Health Services Association and the excuse me, and the community college CEOs. But as as our witness spoke, there have been amendments that are pending that will hopefully remove our concerns going forward.
- Akilah Weber Pierson
Legislator
Thank you. Seeing no further individuals that would like to register their opposition support or tween position, we'll bring it back to the committee. Okay. Wanna thank, Assemblymember, Stefani for bringing this bill forward. It is extremely important that we, as a reproductive states, a state believes in allowing for people to have all options of what they want to do with their bodies, that we do work on getting this right.
- Akilah Weber Pierson
Legislator
Also, understanding though the challenges of our community colleges. Community colleges are not UCs. They're not CSUs. They don't have the same resources, and not all community colleges are the same. Some are very large, and some are very, very small and and are very limited in terms of resources.
- Akilah Weber Pierson
Legislator
And I think sometimes when people think, oh, well, you can do telehealth and they've never actually done telehealth, they don't understand some of the intricacies and some of the modernization that you must have, the infrastructure that you must have in order to, be able to do something like a telehealth. And so I really appreciate you, agreeing to these amendments.
- Akilah Weber Pierson
Legislator
I think that it does address a lot of the opposition's concerns, but at the same time, still allowing for disclosure on all campuses about what, options are available, and also allowing for those community colleges that do have the ability to do this, to to continue or to provide the service for the students. And with that, you may close.
- Catherine Stefani
Legislator
Thank you, madam Chair. And, yes, I do wanna thank the community colleges for working with us on this bill. This is not to add any burdens to their already overstressed system. We wanna make sure that we are working with them, and that's why we have accepted the amendments and will continue to work and address those remaining concerns. But, you know, this bill is about equity.
- Catherine Stefani
Legislator
It's about dignity. It's about making certain that we have reproductive, health care access, to all those students who need it, and I thank you, for your consideration. I respectfully ask for an aye vote.
- Akilah Weber Pierson
Legislator
Thank you. And at the appropriate time, whenever we establish quorum, we will do that. Alright. We will now move to file item eight, AB 1929 by Assemblymember Ortega. And you may begin when you are ready.
- Liz Ortega
Legislator
Thank you, madam Chair. I'm also chairing my own committee, so I'm actually gonna make my comments very brief to allow my witnesses to make their comments. Thank you for allowing me to present AB 1929 today, which is a Latino caucus priority bill. AB 1929 requires health plans participate on the covered California health care exchange to disclose all the investments they make with the subsidies and patient premiums they receive, including investments for in for profit prisons and immigration detention centers.
- Liz Ortega
Legislator
AB 1929 is a sunshine law ensuring that the public knows which health plans are investing in the well-being of their communities and which are profiting from destroying them.
- Liz Ortega
Legislator
Here to testify with me today is Joe Gudzinski, executive director of UNAC, and Christopher Sanchez on behalf of Central American Resource Center of California.
- Akilah Weber Pierson
Legislator
Thank you. You have a combined total of five minutes. Thank you and good afternoon.
- Unidentified Speaker 029ID Pending
Thank you and good afternoon, Chair Weber Pearson and members of the Health Committee. My name is Joe Gudzinski. I'm the Executive Director of the United Nurses Association of California, Union of Healthcare Professionals or UNACUACP. We represent approximately 41,000 registered nurses and healthcare professionals across California. UNACUACP is a proud sponsor of AB 1929 because it affirms a simple principle.
- Unidentified Speaker 029ID Pending
Health core organizations, many operating as nonprofits, carry an obligation to the public they serve. That obligation is grounded in transparency. Transparency must be a fundamental condition doing business with the state of California. Nonprofit health plans benefit from a public trust reinforced by taxpayer support and the expectation that its resources provide meaningful community benefit. With that trust, health care organizations have an obligation to provide the public with a clear understanding of how they are putting those resources to use.
- Unidentified Speaker 029ID Pending
This is not about restricting the rights of health care systems to decide how they invest. This is about the taxpayers' right to transparency. AB1929 honors that right. It ensures that investment choices and the values behind those choices are accessible and visible. People deserve to know when a health care system's investments conflict with the values or well-being of the communities they serve or when they conflict with the values that the organization claims to represent.
- Unidentified Speaker 029ID Pending
Patients deserve this. Employees deserve this. The taxpayers of California deserve this. Behalf of the 41,000 health care professionals we represent, we respectfully ask for your aye vote.
- Unidentified Speaker 055ID Pending
Good afternoon, madam Chair and members. Christopher Sanchez with the Mesa Verde Group here on behalf of the Central American Resource Center, CARESN, the largest Central American immigrant rights organization in the country, here today as a proud cosponsor in strong support of AB 1929, a bill that would make appropriate disclosure so Californians can make educated decisions whether choose choosing a health care plan.
- Unidentified Speaker 055ID Pending
Cadizance stands firmly against anyone, any system, or any company benefiting and profiting from the detention of immigrants and private detention facilities who have a long history of human rights violations. Our organization knows firsthand the inhumane conditions of these private detention centers because we represent individuals and and their families who are in these centers, and members of our legal service team have gone inside these detention centers to service the clients.
- Unidentified Speaker 055ID Pending
They have witnessed signs of malnutrition, lack of proper hygiene, lack of medical care, and signs of physical abuse.
- Unidentified Speaker 055ID Pending
Our clients have told us about significant overcrowding, and there have been countless reports of deaths that are based on violence and lack of medical treatment in these facilities. These detention centers are solely designed for profit for of immigrants. And under the Trump administration, these policies have been implemented to ensure that there is no due process immigrant proceedings resulting in forever detention to maximize profits for these private detention companies.
- Unidentified Speaker 055ID Pending
It is clear that there's a lack of accountability from the Federal Government to hold these private detention centers and their investors accountable. It's our job to do so and simply just to have simple disclosures.
- Akilah Weber Pierson
Legislator
Thank you. If there's anyone else in the audience that would like to register their support for this bill, please come forward. State your name, your organization,
- Anna Caballero
Legislator
Hello. My name is Elizabeth Dubs. I'm a nurse midwife, and I'm a supporter of it.
- Unidentified Speaker 047ID Pending
Hello. Camille Stone, certified nurse midwife. I am in support of this.
- Akilah Weber Pierson
Legislator
Thank you. Seeing no further individuals that would like to speak in support, if there's anyone in the audience that would like to speak as lead opposition, this is your time to come forward to the table.
- Akilah Weber Pierson
Legislator
Thank you. Seeing no further individuals that would like to speak in support, if there's anyone in the audience that would like to speak as lead opposition, this is your time to come forward to the table.
- Unidentified Speaker 045ID Pending
Good afternoon Chair members, Olga Shilo on behalf of the California Association of Health Plans in opposition to AB1929. AB1929
- Unidentified Speaker 045ID Pending
a fundamental mismatch by assigning responsibilities to Covered California that is not designed or equipped to carry out. It is not clear what gap this bill fills or why Covered California should be tasked with filling it. Furthermore, Covered California is not a health plan regulator. Neither does it have the expertise or the filings or adjudicate compliance. This bill would effectively require it to do all three.
- Unidentified Speaker 045ID Pending
It also places the exchange in a position of posting and explaining complex Non Healthcare Financial disclosures to consumer at a time when its core mission is enrollment and retention. Covered California has raised concerns that this could confuse or even discourage consumers from signing up for coverage. The exchange already operates in a challenging environment and has just 11 participating carriers today. We should focus on stabilizing and strengthening that market, not adding new requirements that could make, participation less attractive.
- Unidentified Speaker 045ID Pending
Finally, as the committee analysis notes, much of this information is already publicly available through existing reporting frameworks.
- Unidentified Speaker 045ID Pending
For these reasons, we respectfully ask for a no vote. Thank you.
- Unidentified Speaker 031ID Pending
Madam Chair and members, Stephanie Watkins on behalf of the Association of California Life and Health Insurance Company. I echo many of my colleagues' comments. We do represent, the major health insurers that are regulated under CDI.
- Unidentified Speaker 031ID Pending
Just like to note, and I think it's addressed in the analysis that much of this information, I think that the author and sponsor we're initially seeking is provided through annual and quarterly disclosures that are required as a part of the, National Insurance Commissioner's Model law that they are publicly available and provided to CDI and just to give you some examples these include real estate, mortgage loans, bonds and stocks, alternative investments that include disclosures for non traditional assets such as private equity, hedge funds, joint ventures and mineral rights, short term investments and cash and cash equivalents.
- Unidentified Speaker 031ID Pending
So much of this information is already provided and we're a little confused as to during this specific time when affordability is at the forefront of everyone's mind if it's the best use of resources to add additional administrative burden and cost to the health care system that doesn't necessarily fill a gap but is feels very duplicative of what's already provided.
- Unidentified Speaker 031ID Pending
So for those reasons we are opposed to the bill but if it doesn't move forward we look forward to having continued conversations. Thank you.
- Akilah Weber Pierson
Legislator
Thank you. If there's anyone else in the audience that would like to register their opposition this is your time to come forward. State your name, your organization, and your position only. Thank you.
- Unidentified Speaker 002ID Pending
Alexis Rodriguez with the California Chamber of Commerce in opposition.
- Akilah Weber Pierson
Legislator
Thank you. Seeing no further individuals that would like to register their opposition, we'll bring it back to committee. Vice Chair Villadares?
- Suzette Martinez Valladares
Legislator
Thank you. Thank you, Madam Chair. I have major concerns with this bill. You know, health care is is personal and families don't buy insurance because they care about what stocks or funds their insurer owns. They buy insurance because they wanna know when their child gets sick.
- Suzette Martinez Valladares
Legislator
They want they want coverage when their spouse needs surgery or when a loved one is diagnosed with cancer that the care is gonna be there. And this bill moves us away from that mission, from my perspective. California already regulates insurers to ensure that they are financially sound and that they're able to pay claims. But this isn't about protecting patients. It's about publicly exposing and scrutinizing lawful investment decisions so that they can become targets in political debates.
- Suzette Martinez Valladares
Legislator
And for me, that's a dangerous precedent. Today, health insurers, tomorrow, banks, more nonprofits, you name it. But if there's fraud, let's investigate it. If there's mismanagement, let's stop it. But government should not be in the business of politicizing investment portfolios.
- Suzette Martinez Valladares
Legislator
And at a time when Californians are struggling with the cost of care, we should be focused on lowering premiums, increasing access, and improving patient outcomes, not creating new bureaucracy. So my question is, how does this bill improve access and how does this bill make health care more affordable at a time when we're raising taxes to cover health care for Californians? How does this accomplish that? To the sponsors.
- Unidentified Speaker 029ID Pending
What what I would say To answer your question, what this bill does as far as when we talk about access, it's access to information for the consumer.
- Suzette Martinez Valladares
Legislator
I'm talking about access to care, to medical care. How does it improve it?
- Unidentified Speaker 029ID Pending
Well, for the consumer who's seeking to make judgments about the community in which they live and health care is part of this to provide insurance for their family, I've been on the exchange. I understand what it provides and it does provide, you know, there's a lot of personal information that's given from the patient here.
- Unidentified Speaker 029ID Pending
And what this bill does is it says that when it relates to investment, which has a huge impact on the community, investments in fossil fuels, investments in things that deal with mental health, predatory lending, investments that have everything to do with health care. As a consumer, I would like to know, and that's what this bill seeks to do is in a transparent way of not having to go through a whole bunch of forms.
- Unidentified Speaker 029ID Pending
I would have no idea where to get the information that was listed before.
- Unidentified Speaker 029ID Pending
It's all over the place. So what the bill does is it's it's from a consumer point of view. It says, let's make the revenue that I pay and the revenue that these insurance companies achieve. Let's see where they're investing in that situation.
- Suzette Martinez Valladares
Legislator
So the answer is it doesn't improve it. I'm talking about the person that is trying to get a doctor's appointment. I'm talking about so it does not improve
- Suzette Martinez Valladares
Legislator
So to the to to the opposition, does this does anything in this bill improve access to care?
- Unidentified Speaker 031ID Pending
Oh, sorry. I mean, from our perspective, no. I think it increases administrative costs, which therefore increase the general premiums that rate payers pay and ultimately then makes health health care less affordable. And I would say that while I appreciate the fact that not all consumers necessarily know that they can access CDI, to the degree this information is publicly available, those within the advocacy community do know and can make that publicly known to the people that they work with.
- Unidentified Speaker 031ID Pending
I mean at the end of the day, all of this is quarterly and annually reported to CDI.
- Unidentified Speaker 031ID Pending
It's publicly available and it's quite comprehensive to the degree that you want to do the investigation on who's investing and where. I think that's an important key element that our community can access and provide to those who are interested but adding additional administrative costs at a time when enhanced subsidies are gone, people are really struggling. I don't think it brings more to the consumer. I think it it's just an additional administrative cost in a duplicative process. I mean that's that's from our perspective.
- Suzette Martinez Valladares
Legislator
I'm just generally frustrated right now that we are trying so hard to find dollars to pay for care. And at a time when we we are raising significant taxes for families this year to pay for for to to pay for access to care. And for access to care to care to undocumented immigrants too. That's what we're doing this year. We're we're we're here addressing or presenting bills that I think make it even more political.
- Suzette Martinez Valladares
Legislator
And so I can't get to support on this because I have a fundamental opposition to what I think it's it's going to do. And my priority is making health care more accessible for every Californian and making it less expensive because people are struggling to pay for prescriptions, to pay for premiums and then we're raising taxes. So I'll end with that.
- Akilah Weber Pierson
Legislator
Thank you. Not seeing any other Senator that would wish to speak. Wanna thank you Assembly member for bringing this bill forward. It is important to have information to know, you know, who's investing what and where. I do have some concerns though because that information, although maybe not in one consolidated place, is already available.
- Akilah Weber Pierson
Legislator
And where we are right now, we have to weigh the cost of consolidating all that information that's already out there against the cost that will that the patients will have with the increase in their premiums because of the increase in the administrative burden. I don't I don't personally think that it is going to improve health outcomes. I don't personally think that it's going to improve access to healthcare.
- Akilah Weber Pierson
Legislator
And, you know, there was, technical assistance from Covered California which on June 19, which really states that this is far outside of their role as an Affordable Care Act marketplace. You know, they even say it's unclear what information consumers would obtain that's not currently available through public filings.
- Akilah Weber Pierson
Legislator
The fact that they themselves don't have any experience with forms, 5,500 for any employee benefit plan. I'm just really concerned that we would be putting more cost on patients and not getting significant returns. Understand the purpose of the bill. Understand the fact that people should know. But I'm just wondering at this time, is it worth us increasing their premiums?
- Akilah Weber Pierson
Legislator
And when you're looking at patients that are uncovered California, I mean, everybody's struggling right now, but they're definitely struggling and we've seen some people have to drop their tears in order to keep their insurance at this time. So I'm just not sure if what we would get from consolidating all of this information is worth the cost to those families. And for some of them, they may end up having to remove off of insurance completely. But definitely understand and appreciate you bringing this forward.
- Akilah Weber Pierson
Legislator
And with that, I know you have a committee, so you can close.
- Liz Ortega
Legislator
Thank you. And I appreciate the author's comments and the opposition. I definitely, you know, agreed to take a look at some of the comments that have been made in terms of the regulatory authority and willing to take amendments as it relates to that because I do not want it to be a burden.
- Liz Ortega
Legislator
It's about transparency and ensuring that we as premium payers, you know, you talked about increased premiums and access to health care, We should also have a right to know where our dollars are being invested and if in fact they are being invested in detention centers that are hurting our communities and our babies and our mothers.
- Liz Ortega
Legislator
And if we wanna talk about health cuts and political, we should also acknowledge that a lot of the reasons that we're having to make these cuts is because the big beautiful bill cut $799,000,000 in health care access to give tax breaks for billionaires.
- Liz Ortega
Legislator
So we should really look about both issues, not just one if we're gonna talk about health care access and why we're having to make these difficult decisions. With that, I respectfully ask for your Ibook.
- Akilah Weber Pierson
Legislator
Thank you. And when we get a quorum, we will take that bill out. We are now, going to go down to file item 23, AB 2651. Wanna thank, Assembly Member Harabedian for allowing Assembly Okay. Well we will hold off on that and go to file item 11 AB 2030 from Assemblymember
- Josh Lowenthal
Legislator
Thank you madam Chair and members for the opportunity to present AB 2030. This will prohibit the sale of over the counter diet pills and supplemental supplements marketed for weight loss or muscle building to individuals 18. I wanna begin by clearly outlining outlining which products this bill does and does not cover. First, the bill only applies to dietary supplements that are marketed or represented for the purpose of achieving weight loss or muscle building.
- Josh Lowenthal
Legislator
This bill does not prohibit the sale of any specific supplement including creatine provided it is accurately labeled for what it is.
- Josh Lowenthal
Legislator
And second, the bill only applies to dietary supplements not conventional food products that have an FDA mandated nutrition facts label. Most protein drinks and many protein powders are sold as food and would not be covered by this bill. And third, nothing in this bill prohibits the sale of dietary supplements to an adult. This bill only applies to minors.
- Josh Lowenthal
Legislator
Adolescents face unique risk when it comes to dietary supplements marketed for weight loss and muscle building particularly because of how heavily these products are promoted to young people and the well documented harms these products cause.
- Josh Lowenthal
Legislator
Extensive research documents the dangers of these products. The American Academy of Pediatrics has strongly cautioned against teens using weight loss supplements. These products are not recommended by physicians, but they are widely available in pharmacies, grocery stores, specialty chains and on the Internet. The use of these supplements for weight loss and muscle building is associated with mental health vulnerabilities such as eating disorders and dysmorphic body disorders.
- Josh Lowenthal
Legislator
Young people with a history of depression and body dissatisfaction are at an elevated risk of using this category of supplements beyond levels recommended by the manufacturer.
- Josh Lowenthal
Legislator
Additionally, according to the American Academy of Pediatrics recent guidelines, they discourage the use of sports supplements in athletes younger than eighteen eight 18 years old emphasizing that a balanced diet is the way for young people to get all the necessary nutrition that they need. The health risks associated with these products are well documented and particularly concerning for younger users. Weight loss and muscle building supplements have been linked to serious adverse events including cardiovascular complications, liver disease, hospitalization.
- Josh Lowenthal
Legislator
Dietary supplements are not regulated like pharmaceutical drugs yet over the last decade decade more than 750 supplement brands have been found to be tainted with pharmaceutical drugs. While the FDA identified these tainted supplements, less than half of these products were recalled.
- Josh Lowenthal
Legislator
Unlike prescription medications, these products do not need to demonstrate safety or effectiveness before being sold, allowing potentially dangerous items to remain widely accessible. Experts and Clinicians consistently caution against youth use precisely because of this lack of testing. Studies and clinical guidance emphasize that these products are not recommended for adolescents as their effects on the developing bodies remain inadequately studied. Yet despite this, adolescents can easily purchase these products in stores or online without any age verification.
- Josh Lowenthal
Legislator
This creates a situation which minors have open access to substances that may pose serious health risks without adequate safeguards or accurate information.
- Josh Lowenthal
Legislator
Given that these products have high rates of use among vulnerable youth, documents linked to harmful behaviors and medical events, and no way to test if these products are safe for children, restricting act access to individuals 18 is a reasonable and a necessary public health measure. AB 2030 would establish clear and forceful age restrictions on the sale of over the counter diet pills and dietary supplements marketed for weight loss or muscle building.
- Josh Lowenthal
Legislator
The bill creates meaningful safeguards to prevent youth access by requiring age verification for in store and online purchases. By limiting access to these products for minors, this legislation can help reduce the development of severity of eating disorders, of body dysmorphia, of related mental health challenges amongst youth. Just like existing age restriction done for other harmful products, AB 2030 provides a practical and immediate step to better protect California's youth from dangerous and misleading weight loss and muscle building supplements.
- Josh Lowenthal
Legislator
Before I turn it over to my witnesses, I wanna thank the stakeholders on both sides of this bill for their thoughtful engagement throughout the year. I appreciated the constructive feedback we received. And in the Assembly, I amended the bill to address most of the concerns raised by opposition. And in addition, I'm committed to taking an amendment at the next available opportunity that will reduce the civil penalty in the bill to $500 from a thousand dollars.
- Josh Lowenthal
Legislator
Here to testify in support of AB 2030 is, Lizzie Guansona, legislative advocate for the Center for, Science, the Public Interest, CSPI, and Izzy Mann, STRIPED California youth team captain and student attending Occidental College.
- Akilah Weber Pierson
Legislator
Thank you. You will have a combined total of five minutes.
- Unidentified Speaker 021ID Pending
Good afternoon, Chair and committee members. I'm Lizzie Guansona with Shaw Yoder, Anne, Tree, Schmelzer, and Lang. I'm here today representing the Center for the Science in the Public Interest, a proud cosponsor of AB 2030. CSPI is a national nonprofit that has been at the forefront of food and supplement safety for fifty five years. CSBI does not take donations from government or industry.
- Unidentified Speaker 021ID Pending
As you just heard, this bill would prohibit the sale of over the counter diet pills and weight loss or muscle building dietary supplements to minors. Despite the well documented risks of these products, they can legally enter the market without FDA's premarket safety review or approval. As a result, they are widely available and heavily marketed to youth, including on online platforms, often with false promises and deceptive claims of efficacy.
- Unidentified Speaker 021ID Pending
FDA and other health experts warn against the use of these products, citing serious health risks, including liver damage, hospitalization, and even death. The American Academy of Pediatrics considers the use of diet pills a high risk eating behavior among children and discourages their use.
- Unidentified Speaker 021ID Pending
AAP also discourages teen use of performance enhancing substances, which include muscle building supplements as they can do more harm than good. Between 2,007 2016, the FDA identified seven seventy six dietary supplements adulterated with active pharmaceutical ingredients, over half of which were marketed for weight loss or muscle building. These adulterants included illegal stimulants, steroids, and prescription drugs that can pose serious health risks. This type of legislation has precedent as it is modeled after a similar bill in New York that was enacted in 2024.
- Unidentified Speaker 021ID Pending
Since the New York bill went into effect, major retailers like Amazon have gone even further and implemented stronger compliance protocols and third party testing requirements for supplements.
- Unidentified Speaker 021ID Pending
EB-two 30 will not only protect children but will also lead to major retailers being more responsible when selling dietary supplements. California should enact these strong evidence based protections to keep kids safe. I respectfully ask for your aye vote.
- Unidentified Speaker 056ID Pending
Good afternoon, madam Chair and members of the committee. Thank you for the opportunity to speak with you today. My name is Izzy Mann, and I'm a college student from Pasadena attending Occidental College and the California captain for the strategic training initiative for the prevention of eating disorders at the Harvard TH Chan School of Public Health. And I'm here in strong support of AB 2 thousand and thirty.
- Unidentified Speaker 056ID Pending
I'm here not only as an advocate, but as someone who has personally struggled with an eating disorder that landed me in the hospital.
- Unidentified Speaker 056ID Pending
And I know firsthand how accessible and deceptive these products are, especially as a young person navigating body image pressures amplified by social media and diet culture. That experience is what drives my work and is what brings me here today. However, my story is not unique and the science confirms it. These products are not reviewed by the FDA before they reach store shelves, meaning minors can easily purchase supplements that may contain banned drugs, toxic chemicals or heavy metals.
- Unidentified Speaker 056ID Pending
These products send over twenty three thousand people to the emergency room every year and youth who use them experience severe medical injuries at three times the rate of those taking ordinary vitamins.
- Unidentified Speaker 056ID Pending
AB 2,030 is a common sense safeguard. It doesn't ban these products. It simply ensures they are not sold to minors. I wish this bill had existed when I was younger, which is why I urge this committee to vote aye on AB 2030 to give today's youth the protection I didn't have. Thank you.
- Akilah Weber Pierson
Legislator
Thank you. If there's anyone else in the audience that would like to register their support, please come to the microphone. State your name, your organization, and your position only. Thank you.
- Unidentified Speaker 077ID Pending
Good afternoon, madam Chair members. Christopher Sanchez here on behalf of the Consumer Federation of California in support.
- Unidentified Speaker 039ID Pending
Good afternoon. Kelly McMillan on behalf of the American Academy of Pediatrics California
- Akilah Weber Pierson
Legislator
Thank you. Seeing no one else that would like to register their support, if there's anyone in the audience that would like to register lead opposition, this is your time to come forward to the table. You have combined to five minutes.
- Unidentified Speaker 057ID Pending
Good afternoon madam Chair and members. Hita Mackler with Samson Advisors here on behalf of the Council for Responsible Nutrition, which has taken an opposed unless amended position on AB 2030. And let me start by thanking the author for the productive conversations to date. CRN has a history of working constructively with authors seeking to address this issue in the past, including with Assembly member Christina Garcia on AB 1341 in 2020 and subsequently with the Chair through AB 3282 just last year.
- Unidentified Speaker 057ID Pending
Our engagement on those efforts was focused in great part on establishing a more balanced and targeted framework that does not bring unintended products within scope.
- Unidentified Speaker 057ID Pending
Specifically by tying scope solely to labeling and marketing claims, the main problem with AB 2030 is that it would bring products within scope that have no connection to the bills purpose. Contrast that with AB 1341 by Assemblymember Garcia which focused on products that may contribute to specified health conditions as determined by the Department of Public Health. In the end while imperfect we believe that AB 1341 struck the right approach and we appreciate, the opportunity to raise our concerns here today. Thank you.
- Unidentified Speaker 058ID Pending
Madam Chair and members, Don Gilbert on behalf of the Consumer Healthcare Products Association otherwise known as CHIPA. CHIPA opposes the bill, but we do not oppose the goals of the bill. We respect the author's intent here. Just an honest disagreement on a couple of provisions that we are concerned about.
- Unidentified Speaker 058ID Pending
The first issue are provisions related to online transactions, online ordering of products where in the when the at the time that the product is ordered online, there are mechanisms for disclosure of verifications of identification of who's buying to make sure they're over 18 and over and so on.
- Unidentified Speaker 058ID Pending
The problem is the second part of that transaction is when the product legally is delivered to the presumably the resident. In that case, the bill requires a second verification of the same single transaction, which requires either the actual purchaser demonstrate who they are and show their ID to the delivery person or another adult do so. That requires that someone be home, which in this day and age is not necessarily the case.
- Unidentified Speaker 058ID Pending
The bill does not allow for sort of Amazon style drop deliveries that we're familiar with and have become very regular in our lives. So we our proposal or our opposition on that language is basically based based on this problem where that provision eliminated from the bill.
- Unidentified Speaker 058ID Pending
We would think that it would be a tighter bill in terms of verification. Quickly, the second issue which which Tatum touched on goes to the scope of the bill. We we also agree that the bill should apply as the author indicated to products that are marketed or labeled as weight loss or muscle developing supplements, muscle building supplements. However, the bill the language in the bill lists five or six ingredients that really that are covered by the bill that make it an ingredients based rule.
- Unidentified Speaker 058ID Pending
And there are many, many, many products that are gonna be captured by this scope based on ingredients rather than how it's marketed that will make the bill very problematic and heart more difficult for legal sales of these products.
- Unidentified Speaker 058ID Pending
So in short, we we would love to remove our opposition if these two problems could be solved. If they remain in the bill, we respectfully request a no vote.
- Akilah Weber Pierson
Legislator
Thank you. If there's anyone else that would like to register the opposition, please come to the microphone, state your name, your organization, and your position.
- Unidentified Speaker 072ID Pending
Madam Chair and senators, Anthony Molina on behalf of the Natural Products Association in opposition. Thank you.
- Unidentified Speaker 043ID Pending
Michelle Rivas on behalf of the California Pharmacists Association we want to thank Mr. Lowenthal and staff and sponsors for addressing our concerns. With that we will remove our position. Thank you.
- Akilah Weber Pierson
Legislator
Thank you. Seeing no further individuals that would like to register their support, opposition, or tween position, we'll bring it back to the committee. Senator Grove?
- Shannon Grove
Legislator
I wanna thank the author for bringing this bill forward, and I know your heart. Like, we've had several conversations regarding protecting children, your girls, my grandkids, and where we think the world is taking our young people these days. And so I do appreciate that. I do think the bill is very, very broad. And I do have a concern about the delivery factory, you know, factor as well that was brought up by the opposition.
- Shannon Grove
Legislator
Green tea extract, all these things that are in normal products, that are on everyday shelves, don't have a warning label and this bill would require thousands of General Health Wellness Energy Drinks and products not marked currently to be labeled and intended for weight loss even though a green tree extract is just a to me, it's a supplement in health care. I like green tea. I think it makes me stay awake longer without caffeine, and so I wouldn't want that to be treated differently.
- Shannon Grove
Legislator
And I I so I I support the thought process and where you're going with it, and I get your heart, and I know where you're going with it. But I can't support the bill today.
- Shannon Grove
Legislator
I'm not gonna vote no because I think you're gonna continue to work with the opposition, and you're gonna fix the concerns that not only they have, but I have, and I think my the vice Chair has. But I do appreciate your heart for making sure our youth are healthy. So thank you.
- Suzette Martinez Valladares
Legislator
Yeah if if you could just weigh in a little bit on your willingness to work with, the opposition on any amendments. I'm gonna see this again in judiciary. I wanna get to a point where where I can support this. I have a nine year old daughter, and, I I remember the days of, you know, teen magazine and what was it, like, heroin chic and trying to be skinny and shopping for over the counter weight loss drugs on with, you know, in in the CVS aisle.
- Suzette Martinez Valladares
Legislator
And I think it's it's only getting worse with with AI and this these unrealistic goals and looks and filters. And it's it's, you know, from for the mom with a girl going into those twin years, it's it's scary. So I wanna be able to get to support, but I would love some feedback on what what you see here.
- Josh Lowenthal
Legislator
If I could continue, madam vice Chair, and algorithms, right, that are actually pushing young people to always be evaluating each other's bodies, focused on each other's bodies whether they want to or not. That's what's driven actually to them on a regular basis. That is their reality. I always come from a position of safety first. That's where I like to start from and work backwards from there.
- Josh Lowenthal
Legislator
Unfortunately, that hasn't happened in this. And I hear you loud and clear that there may be some unintended consequences and absolutely more than willing to work with the opposition and anybody quite frankly that can strengthen this legislation so that it can work for everybody. But I always start at a place of safety. And in terms of of the ingredients, that is absolutely something that we should be looking at.
- Josh Lowenthal
Legislator
I'm a less inclined to give up the notion of somebody being 18 being able to accept this at the door.
- Josh Lowenthal
Legislator
We do that with alcohol right now. We do that with other things right now. And I'm just concerned when you hear statistics about twenty three thousand young people being hospitalized every year from this where we cannot find a medical reason for young people to be taking these supplements that is only an avenue for danger and even mental health issues. This should alarm all of us and we should start from a place of safety. So I will absolutely work with anybody madam vice Chair.
- Anna Caballero
Legislator
I just wanted to thank you very much for focusing in this area. I know it means a lot to you and I think the challenges of the Internet was going to bring us all of this free time. And we were going to have this new world that was going to be really very cool. And there's some great things about it. No doubt about it.
- Anna Caballero
Legislator
I can't find anything out just by typing in what what and where. But it has a tremendous impact on our kids and that impact is not always positive and mostly it's not positive. And so we're going to have to come up with some methods to really protect them. And I sat on a committee where we looked at these vape instruments that you would have no clue were vape instruments.
- Anna Caballero
Legislator
And so the more I learn about the challenges, yes, the Sharpie but I also the USB that looks like it goes in a computer, but it's actually a VAPE instrument.
- Anna Caballero
Legislator
So children take these to school and you don't have any way to know that they've got vape products. There's ways to fool adults, I guess is what I'm saying. And so the more that we can be aware of it and try to plan for it, the better off we're going to be. So thank you very much.
- Akilah Weber Pierson
Legislator
to thank you, Assemblymember Lowenthal for bringing this bill forward. I want to really thank, your the people who've come out and spoke, your witnesses, in support of this bill. This is not the first time that we've tried to get something like this passed in the legislature. And so I it it's always interesting when I hear people say, oh, it's too broad when before we had something that was more narrow, more specific, and we still couldn't get it through.
- Akilah Weber Pierson
Legislator
This is not an issue that I think we need to continue to kick the can down the road.
- Akilah Weber Pierson
Legislator
We talked about, at that point, Assemblymember Garcia who has been out of the legislature for a very long time trying to get a bill like this through. I had a bill that we tried to get through that dealt with this particular issue. And there's always someone to say, well, maybe but, but not this, but not that, maybe too broad, not broad enough. We don't have time while it's our children who are hurting as we keep going back and forth. I will be supporting this bill.
- Akilah Weber Pierson
Legislator
I thank you for continuing and picking up the mantle and running with it. I would love to be a co author on this bill. And I understand some of the the concerns because when you look at something like creatine or green, you know, tea extract, like how bad could that be? But we do know that things like green tea have been shown by studies to help with weight loss.
- Akilah Weber Pierson
Legislator
And even though we drink it as just a regular tea, we also know that you can get it in capsule form.
- Akilah Weber Pierson
Legislator
And as we state as you see in the analysis, there have been people who have used it and gotten liver injury from it. So this is not necessarily something that even though we as adults may consume, should necessarily be something that our children are consuming. And, and so I appreciate you looking into these things and would caution you about removing some of them, as you continue to have your conversations. This is an important issue.
- Akilah Weber Pierson
Legislator
I really hope that we're able to get this over the finish line this year, because really, really, our children and their lives, really depend upon this.
- Akilah Weber Pierson
Legislator
And so with that, would like for you to to offer you to close.
- Josh Lowenthal
Legislator
I I thank you for those comments. They're meaningful and helpful. And I wanna thank the the witnesses, the opposition, all of the comments from the dais. As a matter of fact, everybody's coming from the same place here. And we all wanna our businesses to thrive while our kids are as healthy as they can be.
- Akilah Weber Pierson
Legislator
Thank you. And once we get a quorum, we will take that motion up. You have another bill file item 12, AB 2594.
- Josh Lowenthal
Legislator
Thank you, Chair Weber Pearson and members of the committee for the opportunity to present AB 2594. I wanna start off by thanking the Chair and staff of the committee for their thoughtful work on the amendments of this bill. I gladly accept the committee amendments. To start AB 2594 is a simple bill. It extends the sunset of the voluntary employees beneficiary association direct contract piloting program or VEBA to 2030, and it pulls back the pilot's interim report to 01/01/2029.
- Josh Lowenthal
Legislator
But what is VEBA? VEBA is a tax exempt joint labor management trust used to pay for qualified medical expenses. The California Schools Voluntary Employees Benefit Beneficiary Association is the administrator of the trust at the behest of the Department of Managed Health Care. Managing health expenses through joint labor management trust empowers participating employers to collectivize, to establish self funded programs, and negotiate with health insurers for better rates and benefits on behalf of their members.
- Josh Lowenthal
Legislator
Beyond the aforementioned benefits inherent to the model, there are three compelling reasons for why this program should be extended.
- Josh Lowenthal
Legislator
First, AB 2594 enables the pilot's interim reporting deadline to be contemplated within the extended pilot period. As the law currently stands, the interim report is set to be released after the end of the pilot. Effectively ending the program before its assessment is done. Extending the pilot ensures that the legislature receives a data driven assessment on the program before its end.
- Josh Lowenthal
Legislator
Second, Veeva is an important test for whether alternative payment arrangements between a self funded purchaser and providers can lead to savings and improved quality of care.
- Josh Lowenthal
Legislator
Its extension would allow the legislature sufficient time and data to test whether similar models would be feasible or desirable. Third, preliminary data from the pilot has been promising. Results collected by the pilot by Qmetrix and the Integrated Healthcare Association, IHA, show heartening improvements in health diagnostics, high satisfaction ratings from its members. 88% of its members reported that they were satisfied with Calviva. In conclusion, Calviva's pilot program is a very promising solution for health care affordability given its ability to collectively negotiate on behalf of participating employers.
- Josh Lowenthal
Legislator
It is worth extending so that we can evaluate its impact before we lose it. I'm proud to be joined by Betsy Radilow representing Calviva and William Barcelona representing the America's Physicians Group testifying in support of AB 2594.
- Suzette Martinez Valladares
Legislator
Thank you to the witnesses. You each have, a total of five minutes.
- Unidentified Speaker 042ID Pending
Thank you. Good afternoon distinguished members of the committee. I'm Betsy Radillo, area vice president for Veeva Direct here on behalf of California Schools Veeva, a non profit joint labor management trust established in 1993 on rising to take on rising health care costs for public employees. Today, Calviva serves more than 80 participating employers including school districts and public agencies and has over a 160,000 members across the state. As fiduciaries to those members, Calviva relentlessly pushes for better outcomes and affordability for our membership.
- Unidentified Speaker 042ID Pending
We are honored to be running the pilot program authorized under AB 1124 and extended through AB 2063, which we call VivaDirect. This represents California's first direct contracting pilot for a self funded purchaser using novel payment structures, including capitation, allowing for the examination of these innovative payment methodologies against the currently available fee for service payment model.
- Unidentified Speaker 042ID Pending
As a large purchaser, self funding allows for increased transparency, complete access to our data and the ability to design programs that meet the needs of our members, which include member women's health, mental health and high touch advocacy. These novel payment models drive affordability and accessibility by aligning incentives between purchasers, providers and patients. In our third year of the pilot, the preliminary data is yielding excellent results.
- Unidentified Speaker 042ID Pending
More than 5,500 members across 23 participating employers have elected to enroll in this pilot. Our quality data shows a significant improvement relative to fee for service benchmarks. This translates to real savings keeping both in keeping teachers healthy and keeping them in the classroom and treating conditions earlier when they are less costly. Assembly Bill 2,594 extends the sunset date of the pilot to allow the DMHC to evaluate the pilot program effectiveness before the end of the pilot. So the legislature can make informed policy decisions moving forward.
- Unidentified Speaker 042ID Pending
In closing, I want to thank Assemblymember Lowenthal for advancing AB 2594 and for continuing California's leadership and value based care. On behalf of our 160,000 members, I respectfully request your aye vote on AB 2594. Thank you.
- Josh Lowenthal
Legislator
Thank you, Chair and members. Bill Barcelona with America's Physician Groups. We are the professional association that represents the three participating provider entities in this pilot, Rady Children's Hospital, Sharp Healthcare System, and UC San Diego. We are proud to work with Veeva directly on this innovative pilot and we are hoping for an, for an aye vote today and urge your continued pilot. Thank you.
- Akilah Weber Pierson
Legislator
Thank you. If there's anyone else that would like to register their support for this pilot, please come to the microphone. State your name, your organization, and your position only. Thank you.
- Unidentified Speaker 006ID Pending
Good afternoon, Chair and members. Carlos Lopez with the California School Employees Association in support.
- Unidentified Speaker 001ID Pending
Good afternoon, Chair and members. Brian Maramontes with the California Teachers Association in support.
- Akilah Weber Pierson
Legislator
Thank you. Seeing no one else that would like to register their support, if there's anyone in the audience that would like to speak as a lead opposition of witness, this is your time to come forward. Seeing no one come forward, if there's anyone that would like to register your opposition for this bill, this is your time to come forward. Seeing no one, we'll bring it back to senators. Senator Grove.
- Shannon Grove
Legislator
Thank you, madam Chair. At the appropriate time, I'd like to move the bill.
- Akilah Weber Pierson
Legislator
Seeing no further comments, would like to thank you for bringing this bill forward and also for working with our, committee staff. You know, one of my concerns is the fact that this has been a a, which was, I think, initially supposed to be a three year pilot, which is now much longer than that because of implementation, delays and all of those things. But I wanna make sure that once that report comes out, that we have the ability to continue or pull back if necessary.
- Akilah Weber Pierson
Legislator
So thank you so very much for accepting those amendments and working with our staff. And with that, would you like to close?
- Akilah Weber Pierson
Legislator
Thank you very much. The perfect closure. Now, we will move to file item 23. AB 2651 by Assemblymember Bonta.
- Mia Bonta
Legislator
Good afternoon, Chair and committee members. I wanna thank the committee for working with my office, and I accept the committee amendments. AB 2651 requires schools to notify parents when their child's school vaccination rates fall below the level required to achieve herd immunity as established by the California Department of Public Health. The herd immunity rate is the percentage of the population that must be immunized to prevent disease transmission and thus provide some protection even for those who lack immunity.
- Mia Bonta
Legislator
To be clear, this bill will affect about point 4% to 1.6% of schools.
- Mia Bonta
Legislator
Of the 27,000 schools in California, this bill would currently apply to about four twenty eight schools, 110 of which, that have been on CDPH's audit list for a consecutive three years. So this bill affects a very small number of schools, but it is a very critical bill because right now, for example, in LA Unified School District, this bill would only affect about 47 of its 1,200 schools. Most schools will never get this notification, and that's a good thing.
- Mia Bonta
Legislator
This bill ensures that parents have the information they need to keep their children safe from preventable communicable diseases. A 2024 study published by The Lancet estimated that vaccines have saved one hundred and fifty four million lives globally since 1974, comparable to a rate of six lives every minute.
- Mia Bonta
Legislator
Of those saved lives, ninety five percent were children younger than five years old. Alarmingly, we are in a moment right now where outbreaks are increasing and the data bears that very clearly. While measles was once eradicated in The United States, this year, 10 counties in California alone have reported a total of thirty four measles cases. For '24, twenty five, twelve of the states, 58 counties, that's about twenty one percent reported that the percent of kindergartners with all required immunizations was below ninety percent.
- Mia Bonta
Legislator
In addition to dire health outcomes, preventing the spread of diseases is costly.
- Mia Bonta
Legislator
LA County approximates that its first three measles cases of 2026 cost $231,000. To ensure herd immunity in our schools is there, parents need grade level information back on vaccination rates that's readily available and actionable.
- Mia Bonta
Legislator
But right now, to find this data, parents would need to be aware of the concept of herd immunity, make the time to find the reports themselves, then have the knowledge to interpret those reports, and then parents would also need to do additional research to across multiple sources to find recommended herd immunity thresholds. These burdens constrain parents' ability to make informed decisions about schools and childcare settings.
- Mia Bonta
Legislator
This is very hurtful for parents, particularly those with young children or medically vulnerable individuals in their lives and in their households who rely on high vaccination coverage to reduce exposure to risk.
- Mia Bonta
Legislator
This is a simple notification bill that would allow parents to have accessible and actionable information. It's important to note that notification uses data that is already collected and already public, so the bill does not publish any new types of information. In addition, by calculating rates for grades, no individual student can be identified. CDPH also takes precautions to for student de identification in small schools. I wanna note that on amendments, that we've have accepted, we've integrated feedback from the CDPH and opposition.
- Mia Bonta
Legislator
We're also planning on amendments to clarify that CDPH will send the notification within a timely manner as is their current practice. And we have amended the bill already to address the opposition's concerns by clarifying that non classroom based students and students with medical exemptions will not lower the school's vaccination rates, including the grade and time periods to which the data applies and including additional context to proactively answer parents' questions.
- Mia Bonta
Legislator
With me to testify today, I have, doctor Lisa Ward, the regional medical director at Santa Rosa Partnership Health Plan of California. Denise Morgan, who is the California State PTA Board of Managers Education Commissioner and the third district PTA President for the Greater Sacramento Area. And for technical questions, Natalie Pita who is the legislative and policy advocate for the California Academy of Family Physicians.
- Akilah Weber Pierson
Legislator
Thank you. You will have a combined total of five minutes.
- Unidentified Speaker 033ID Pending
Can you hear me? Yes. Okay, thank you. Good afternoon Chair and senators. My name is Doctor.
- Unidentified Speaker 033ID Pending
Lisa Ward. I am a family physician and I practice in a federally qualified health center in rural Northern Sonoma County. I'm here on behalf of the California Academy of Family Physicians, a proud cosponsor of AB 2 thousand six hundred and fifty one. Family physicians care for patients across the lifespan from infants to elders and we receive specials, training and dedicated time in pediatrics. We provide comprehensive pediatric services.
- Unidentified Speaker 033ID Pending
So well child visits, sick visits, and lots and lots of immunizations. The relationships we form with our patients and their families allow us to have thoughtful conversations about vaccines and vaccine hesitancy. And since COVID, these conversations have become more frequent and less successful. At my clinic, we really wanted to understand what our patients thought, was driving an uptick in vaccine hesitancy. So we did what we all should be doing, which is talking to our patients.
- Unidentified Speaker 033ID Pending
And so we held focus groups and talked to patient advisory committees. And what they told us was pretty clear. They want, clear, easy to understand information and they want it from trusted messengers in a timely way. And so I feel like they're telling us that providing families with trusted information is especially important because these vaccine decisions do not just affect our own children, an individual's child, but the health and the safety of our entire community. The vaccine effectiveness depends on maintaining high vaccine rates.
- Unidentified Speaker 033ID Pending
And when these vaccine rates drop, diseases can spread quickly, especially in schools, putting children and our communities at risk of infection. And as you suggested, we're now seeing the consequences of infections like measles. In my time as a physician, I never thought I'd see a case of measles. And now I'm retraining to try to understand how to find it and see, when it starts to break into my community. We've seen outbreaks across the country and here in California as well.
- Unidentified Speaker 033ID Pending
And yet, when there is a disease outbreak, we see a surge in vaccine uptake in nearby communities because people, especially parents, understand the increased risks to their children and families. AB 2651 does not change any vaccine law. It's simply another tool we can use to provide critical information to our parents. It comes from a trusted source, our public health officials, it moves through schools, our trusted messengers, and it can be delivered in a timely way before an outbreak begins.
- Unidentified Speaker 033ID Pending
And when parents have timely, accurate information,
- Unidentified Speaker 033ID Pending
Thank you all, and I decisions about their children's health and safety. Thank you all and I respectfully ask for your aye vote.
- Unidentified Speaker 024ID Pending
they can make informed decisions about their children's health and safety.
- Unidentified Speaker 060ID Pending
Good afternoon madam Chair and members. My name is Denise Morgan. I am an education commissioner for the California state PTA representing over a half a million members here in strong support of AB 2651 the Informed Parents Healthy School Act which we are proud co sponsors of. We support the improvements proposed through recent amendments. Right now, vaccination rate information is only available to families who know where to look, how to interpret what they find, and can read English.
- Unidentified Speaker 060ID Pending
In fact, four twenty eight California schools are currently being audited for low vaccination rates and most parents have no idea. AB 2,651 fixes that. When a school's vaccination rate falls below the threshold needed to prevent disease spread, families receive notification from their school in the languages their communities actually speak. Schools have an established relationship with families built on trust. That existing relationship is precisely why they are the right messenger.
- Unidentified Speaker 060ID Pending
CDPH handles the science and the explanation, writing the notification with resources and contact information. Schools simply deliver that information through the channels families already know and trust. It is not a burden. It is a public health tool schools are uniquely positioned to support. Families cannot protect their children or their communities from preventable disease without information.
- Unidentified Speaker 060ID Pending
AB 2651 delivers that information in time, in their language, through the school they already trust. On behalf of California State PTA, I respectfully ask for your aye vote. Thank you.
- Akilah Weber Pierson
Legislator
Thank you. If there's anyone else in the audience that would like to register their support for this bill, please come to the microphone, state your name, your organization, and your position only.
- Unidentified Speaker 035ID Pending
Thank you. Angela Hill, California Medical Association in support.
- Unidentified Speaker 006ID Pending
Carlos Lopez, California School Employees Association in support.
- Unidentified Speaker 002ID Pending
Thank you. Kelly McMillan on behalf of the Children's Specialty Care Coalition and the American Academy of
- Josh Lowenthal
Legislator
Tim Madden representing the California chapter of the American College of Emergency Physicians in support.
- Unidentified Speaker 008ID Pending
Eric Dowdy with the California Dental Association also in support.
- Unidentified Speaker 013ID Pending
Sarah McDade Ting on behalf of the County Health Executives Association, in support.
- Akilah Weber Pierson
Legislator
Thank you. Seeing no one else that would like to register their support, if there's anyone that would like to speak as lead Opposition, please come to the table. We will have two witnesses to speak in lead opposition.
- Unidentified Speaker 001ID Pending
Great. Good afternoon Chair and members. My name is Joshua Coleman, co founder of V is for vaccine, a public demonstration group focused on informed consent and medical choice. My firstborn son, Otto, became paralyzed from the waist down after developing a known vaccine side effect called transverse myelitis following a seventeen month round of vaccinations. That experience led me to spend years studying vaccine policy and advocating for informed consent.
- Unidentified Speaker 001ID Pending
My organization, V is for vaccine peacefully demonstrates in public places across the country. We hold signs containing factual vaccine information that we believe people should know. Things like vaccine manufacturers are exempt from liability, vaccines are not placebo safety tested. The reactions we have received simply for displaying those signs have included being spit on, having equipment damaged or destroyed, signs, signs ripped away and destroyed, people physically assaulted, and even receiving threats of violence and murder.
- Unidentified Speaker 001ID Pending
I could tell you from real life experience that people get very triggered very easily over this topic and that is why I'm concerned about this bill.
- Unidentified Speaker 001ID Pending
If a letter is sent home telling parents that their child's school has fallen below a vaccination rate established to prevent the spread of vaccine preventable diseases, it is reasonable to expect that some parents will be frightened, some angry, and some both, and many will want to do something about it. Now first I want to thank the author for the recent amendments excluding medically exempt students from the immunization rate calculation.
- Unidentified Speaker 001ID Pending
Those medically fragile children should not have to bear the burden of fear, frustration, or blame, and I appreciate that change. However, an unintended side effect of this amendment is that it narrows the focus onto the remaining vulnerable population still included in the, still included in the calculation. Students with disabilities receiving services through an Aye.
- Unidentified Speaker 001ID Pending
E. P. These are disabled children with physical, developmental, or cognitive disabilities. I would hate to see disabled children become the students others don't want to sit next to, play with, or befriend because they have been perceived as a reason that a notification was sent home. I respectfully ask that students with IEPs be afforded the same protection that has already been extended to medically exempt students.
- Unidentified Speaker 001ID Pending
If that amendment is adopted, Viasor vaccine will withdraw its opposition to AB 2651. Thank you for your time and consideration.
- Unidentified Speaker 002ID Pending
Good afternoon, Chair and members. My name is April Robinson with A Voice for Choice Advocacy. We thank the author and the Senate Health Committee staff for their continued work on AB 2651. However, there still are some areas that need to be further amended so that daycare and preschool programs are not included And so that students with IEPs, as Josh mentioned, are not counted in a way that misrepresents their legal status. First, daycare and preschool immunization numbers should not be treated the same as school checkpoint data.
- Unidentified Speaker 002ID Pending
These numbers are highly variable because they depend on the age of each child and the timing of the required doses. A child may be considered missing a dose one month and fully up to date the next simply because of age based age based vaccine timing. Transparency. It creates confusion and unnecessary fear for families like mine. Program must be handled differently.
- Unidentified Speaker 002ID Pending
California law protects these students' right to attend school and receive the full program required by their IEP, even if they're not fully vaccinated. Repeatedly confirmed in the courts where schools have attempted to exclude these students from classrooms. CDPH already recognizes this reality by placing IEP students in the category as requirements met but missing doses. In other words, these students are legally allowed to be in school, but in the current bill language are still counted as missing doses. That creates a serious discrimination concern.
- Unidentified Speaker 002ID Pending
IEP students are similarly situated to medically exempt students for purposes of classroom presence. They are legally attending school and not fully vaccinated. They should not be counted in a way that makes them appear non compliant or that causes their school to be flagged because disabled students are exercising rights protected under state and federal law. We respectfully request amendments excluding daycare and preschool programs and excluding IEP students from any calculation that triggers parent notices. Thank you.
- Akilah Weber Pierson
Legislator
If there's anyone else that would like to register their opposition to the bill, please come forward. State your name, your organization, and your position only. Thank you.
- Unidentified Speaker 003ID Pending
Good afternoon, madam Chair and members. Sarek Kaminski on behalf of the Association of California School Administrators for our argument is in the analysis under bullet ten and twelve. Thank you.
- Unidentified Speaker 004ID Pending
Good afternoon. Dan Merwin on behalf of both the California School Boards Association and the California Association of School Business Officials echoing the comments from AXA. Thank you.
- Unidentified Speaker 005ID Pending
Madam Chair, members, Nick Romley on behalf of the Small School Districts Association in opposition.
- Unidentified Speaker 006ID Pending
Alex Meyer, President and Board Chair of Free Now Foundation. Even with amendments, we oppose this bill.
- Unidentified Speaker 007ID Pending
Hi. Jill Hawkins from Santa Monica, California with, vaccine common sense. I also dropped off a flyer for everyone. Living naturally is a human right, and we need a right to refuse vaccine in any medical invention bill. That's what we need.
- Unidentified Speaker 009ID Pending
David Bullock on behalf of California Moms for Liberty and the SFV Alliance in opposition.
- Akilah Weber Pierson
Legislator
Seeing no further individuals that would like to speak in opposition, we'll bring the bill back to committee. Senator Menjivar.
- Caroline Menjivar
Legislator
Assembly member, I am no disagreement with you. Vaccines keep us safe. No disagreement. I agree with you. I wanna know two questions.
- Caroline Menjivar
Legislator
I recognize some of the concerns are in the education space as not privy to this jurisdiction, to this committee, and you're going to education next. But I do wanna elevate, the IEP concerns, because on CDPH websites, there's a section for both permanent medical exemption, and in that same category is IEPs under requirements, Something like requirements met, but missing vaccines. If they're both in the same category, hope you consider adding IEPs into the exemption list for further consideration in the education committee.
- Caroline Menjivar
Legislator
But can you expand a little bit more? I know the amendments talk about a ten day period once the school is notified.
- Caroline Menjivar
Legislator
But what about once CDPH? What what do we anticipate as a timeline of CDPH getting on the information and then sharing that with the schools?
- Mia Bonta
Legislator
Yep. I appreciate both questions. We are certainly, I will response for both questions, in part as we've received informal feedback from CDPH. We've been notified that, should this bill continue on, we would be able to receive, more formal feedback from CDPH, and we'll be able to integrate that. My understanding right now is, that the processes that CDPH, is able to make the information about the current school year once this is reported back to available to schools kind of instantaneously.
- Mia Bonta
Legislator
So it is available to schools instantaneously for the current school year of data. This bill expands that to include last year's data and the current year data. We did that so that their so that parents would have an ability to not only look at, you know, the year that they're in, but the year prior to see if there's a pattern that they wanna be responsive to in terms of making their own decisions.
- Mia Bonta
Legislator
Our understanding is that that would we would need some guidance from CDPH about what the appropriate time that they could be able to be responsive to in sharing that information, and we're certainly open and amenable to including whatever that time period is in in future amendments to the bill to be able to address some of the concerns of of opposition. On the IEP issue, I understand that there kind of exist both in the on the website.
- Mia Bonta
Legislator
However, there is a distinction to be made. So IEP students, while could be IEP students are still required to get vaccinations. They just cannot be denied service because they have not gotten vaccinations. So I think that there is room there for further conversation. I'm certainly willing to be able to, consider any amendments that would address that.
- Mia Bonta
Legislator
And I don't know if our technical witness has any response to that that they'd wanna share.
- Caroline Menjivar
Legislator
And if you could add, because currently CDPH in their calculations don't include IEPs in their calculations for total immunization. So this bill would then include IEPs for this reporting, annual reporting, which would be separate to what CDPH currently does right now.
- Unidentified Speaker 012ID Pending
So I think just to clarify, in terms of medical exemptions versus the IEP exemption, that's kind of assuming that students with IEPs don't get vaccinated, which is probably not the case. Right? That's gonna be very student specific. We have been in conversation with CDPH, and they expressed wanting to include that information. From what I understand, when you submit this data when a school submits this data and then they get the instantaneous report, it includes that information, but this notice is formatted a little bit differently.
- Unidentified Speaker 012ID Pending
So I think it has to do with the way they need to make their calculation.
- Caroline Menjivar
Legislator
So there's a potential that with this bill, it'll change also the current CDPH reporting to match?
- Mia Bonta
Legislator
The current c d so this bill is consistent with existing practice of CDPH's reporting. So I think we can clarify clarify that for in legislation, but my understanding is that as such schools currently include students with IEPs in their immunization reports, to CDPH, and CDPH includes these students in their existing notifications. But happy to clarify that.
- Caroline Menjivar
Legislator
Yeah. Maybe I would love clarification because some information that I'm getting is that CDPH does not include in their total calculation IPs, PMEs, and private schooling.
- Mia Bonta
Legislator
Yep. And we are happy to make sure that, a, we are clarifying that and, b, that we are conforming once we receive technical assistance from CDKH, including the best approach to IEP students, we are not opposed to Okay. To that amendment.
- Shannon Grove
Legislator
the same concerns. We both sit on budget sub three, and I see it to sit with the Chair, and we both become defenders of IEP students and those with developmental disabilities. So so I just and I have the same understanding that my colleague, the Chair of budgets of three houses that IUP students and other students and private school students are not included in the CDPH calculations.
- Shannon Grove
Legislator
And it looks like from the language of the bill that yours your bill would put that in, put that in there. But you've said that you're gonna fix that if that's the way that If that's the Yes.
- Shannon Grove
Legislator
You'll so you'll fix that. So that it conforms with current CDPH rules which shows that those students and private school students are not included in that. Correct?
- Mia Bonta
Legislator
We will conform to clarify, we will conform with whatever technical assistance CDPH is offering us on this.
- Shannon Grove
Legislator
Okay. Okay. And my understanding also is is that and I apologize. I've been bouncing back and forth between rules and other committee and other committee. But, so my understanding is that CDPH currently sends out a notice if herd immunity or a certain percentage from a school drops below a certain level, then they send the notification to school and the school sends a notification out.
- Mia Bonta
Legislator
The entire purpose of this bill is to ensure that schools actually do the notification right now. That information is listed on a website. There are multiple websites that a parent would have to kind of get through in order to be able to identify whether or not their school is on that list, and, cross reference it with another website.
- Mia Bonta
Legislator
And, basically, this bill is trying to ensure that parents have the ability to be notified by their school when the herd immunity level has dropped to a level of concern for a particular vaccination and then have that notification be within the context within context so it's not intended to make parents fearful, and then also provide them with resources and support to be able to take whatever action they feel is appropriate, including getting vaccinated.
- Shannon Grove
Legislator
So basically, the way I understand it is that right now, it just goes on a website. And if you if you hear about it, know about it, whatever, you can look on the website for resources. But you wanna have, like, a physical physical notice to go out?
- Shannon Grove
Legislator
Is it it's a mandated unfunded program? I'm trying to understand excuse me just one second. Madam Chair sorry. The opposition, I didn't get a clear definition. They just said that, the California schools if it's just a notice, like, can I ask them what their opposition
- Unidentified Speaker 013ID Pending
Thank you. Could one of you come back to the microphone, please? Thank you.
- Unidentified Speaker 055ID Pending
Thank you, madam Chair. Sarek Mizzi with the Association of California School Administrators, our opposition is based off of the point in time piece. So there's not enough upstream communication for schools to notify when parents present with updated records. Once the period has passed with CDPH, they now have, inaccurate out to out of date information. And so fully vaccinated families are receiving information even though the school has corrected it.
- Unidentified Speaker 055ID Pending
And our issue is that the school is now having to somehow refute public health, which is not a position we wanna be in. We wanna always have trust within public health and not have to say, oh, public health is forcing us to give something that's inaccurate and out of date. Thank you.
- Shannon Grove
Legislator
Okay. And I thank you. Just here right here. But my understanding, madam Assembly member, is is that you took an amendment to go for a yearly basis and not just on a month to month for, updated vaccines. Is that true or not true?
- Mia Bonta
Legislator
I think we have a different set of time periods built in. What what we decided to do was have the prior year data reported as well as the current year data
- Mia Bonta
Legislator
To be able to give a longer period to be be able to review that data. We're gonna wait on technical assistance from CDPH to understand when they would be able to report back that data. That data is a point in time reference. There I don't agree with the opposition's commentary that this information is somehow dated.
- Mia Bonta
Legislator
Right now it's pretty instantaneous and we wanna make sure that that is data information is given in an actionable way so that parents can make a decision about however they wanna make that decision based on the information that they don't currently have, readily accessible to them.
- Akilah Weber Pierson
Legislator
Thank you. Well, I want to, thank you very much for bringing this bill forward. It is, a bill about transparency to allow for parents and families, to know what's happening at their school. You know, it's interesting. I went on CDPH's website to look for this information and found it extremely challenging to find it.
- Akilah Weber Pierson
Legislator
With health staff, they're like, well, maybe it's over here and maybe it's over here and maybe it's there. We finally found it. And interestingly enough, not only was it hard to find, it was completely out of date. The last reported information, I think, was 2022. So for a family that wants to know or for a family that needs to know this information, it is critical that they have it.
- Akilah Weber Pierson
Legislator
And so I thank you for bringing this bill forward. I'm sure that your work continue to work with CDPH to ensure that what's being reported is the things that they're already asking for. And I would love to be a co author on this bill, and I think that there are also some areas that we need to improve with informing parents that we're not doing at this point. And so this is one piece.
- Akilah Weber Pierson
Legislator
Looking into it, I've I've found another piece that we need to work on, and with future legislation.
- Akilah Weber Pierson
Legislator
But really, thank you for bringing this bill forward, putting students first, putting families first, putting the communities first, and with that, would welcome you to close.
- Mia Bonta
Legislator
Thank you. I wanna thank the Coleman family for engaging with us on this legislation and certainly working to make sure that we are striking the right balance of making sure that we're providing information to immunocompromised children and their families and who are those who are struggling to navigate changing in kind of the vaccination landscape in in this country.
- Mia Bonta
Legislator
And in order to be able to protect our vulnerable communities, students, and their families, when a grade falls below herd immunity levels, we are requiring that CDPH craft the entirety of that notification with abundant context to proactively answer questions, so that a parent doesn't have the experience that doctor Weber Pearson, our Chair indicated, that could be the case right now. I think that this is a very straightforward notification bill. And, with that, I respectfully request your aye vote.
- Akilah Weber Pierson
Legislator
Thank you. And once we get a quorum, we will make a motion. Alright. Now we are going to move back to file item number nine, a d nineteen seventy and thank Assemblymember Harabedian for letting Assemblymember Bonta go, who had been waiting since the beginning of this hearing. And you may begin when you are ready.
- Unidentified Speaker 015ID Pending
Thank you, madam Chair, and thank you to the committee staff for working so closely with my office on this bill. I'd like to start by saying that we are accepting the committee amendments. And the amendments, just for clarification, narrow the scope of the bill, help address cost concerns, and preserve the ability for plans to utilize therapeutic equivalents consistent with approaches the legislature has previously taken, in areas such as HIV prevention medications and insulin.
- Unidentified Speaker 015ID Pending
As amended, AB 1970 would prohibit health care service plans and insurers from requiring step therapy for prescription drugs used to treat serious mental illness and substance use disorder. When multiple FDA approved therapeutic or clinical equivalents exist, plans may continue to use step therapy among those equivalent medications so long as at least one therapeutic or clinical equivalent is available without step therapy.
- Unidentified Speaker 015ID Pending
And so this bill still ensures that patients have timely access to treatment, but hopefully is more workable, across the system. For these patients, delays in treatment can have serious consequences, including crisis, relapse, hospitalization, and homelessness. The proposal has brought support across the health care system, including the California Hospital Association, California Medical Association, California Labor Federation, behavioral health providers, and patient advocacy organizations. With me today is our sponsor, the California Behavioral Health Association, represented by its CEO, Doctor. Leandra Clark Harvey.
- Unidentified Speaker 015ID Pending
Also available to answer technical questions and provide brief remarks is Lauren Fink with the Kennedy Forum. Respectfully ask for an aye vote at the appropriate time. Thank you.
- Akilah Weber Pierson
Legislator
Thank you. You will have a combined total of five minutes.
- Unidentified Speaker 016ID Pending
Thank you, madam Chair and members, and for this opportunity to testify. I'm doctor Leandra Clark Hervey, CEO of the California Behavioral Health Association and sponsor of AB 1970. More than one point two million Californians live with a serious mental illness and current step therapy policies create harmful delays in care. More than half of patients experience significant delays in receiving prescribed medications and may abandon treatment altogether when forced through fail first requirements. So I want to address a fundamental question before this committee today.
- Unidentified Speaker 016ID Pending
Who should decide which medication a patient with serious mental illness receives first? A clinician or an insurance company? As a psychologist, I have worked in jails, crisis stabilization units, outpatient clinics, and community mental health settings. I've treated individuals with schizophrenia, bipolar disorder, severe depression, and co occurring substance use disorders. So I understand the argument that step therapy can control cost and encourage the use of lower cost medications.
- Unidentified Speaker 016ID Pending
That may be appropriate in some areas of health care but behavioral health is different. A medication that works for one patient may be ineffective or even destabilizing for another. I've worked with patients whose paranoia was so severe that even minor medication changes triggered a crisis. I've seen patients who were stable, employed, housed, and engaged in treatment lose that stability after being forced to switch medications because of a failed first requirement. Regarding safety and affordability, AB 1970 specifically preserves FDA required treatment sequencing and safety protocols.
- Unidentified Speaker 016ID Pending
This bill does not eliminate clinical safeguards. It eliminates barriers that override clinical judgment. Step therapy naively assumes patients can navigate delays, appeals, and repeated visits. But many of the people we serve are unhoused, lack transportation, or are already struggling to just stay engaged in care. When we delay treatment, we don't just inconvenience these individuals.
- Unidentified Speaker 016ID Pending
We lose them. And when we lose them, the system pays more. And the outcomes are worse. Decisions where they belong, between patients and their providers. So on behalf of the California Behavioral Health Association and the 2,000,000 clients our members serve in your districts, I respectfully ask for your eye for it.
- Unidentified Speaker 017ID Pending
Thank you Chair and members. My name is Lauren Finke. I'm Menjivar director of policy at the Kennedy Forum. We were founded by former congressman Patrick Kennedy to advance access to medically necessary mental health and addiction treatment. In California, we work on implementation of mental health parity and access laws with regulators, plans, providers, and advocates to ensure these protections are meaningful in practice.
- Unidentified Speaker 017ID Pending
We strongly support AB 1970 because prior authorization step therapy can directly interfere with medication access and continuity for people with serious mental illness and substance use disorders. And medication continuity is often central to stabilization recovery. The evidence shows these barriers can have serious impacts. Research has found that formulary restrictions including prior auth and step therapy, save little money on drug spending and can increase overall spending for people with serious mental illness, especially in terms of inpatient hospital costs.
- Unidentified Speaker 017ID Pending
One study found that states with prior auth, requirements for key antipsychotic medications had a 23% higher, inpatient costs for individuals with schizophrenia.
- Unidentified Speaker 017ID Pending
AB 1970 is targeted and reasonable similar to steps taken in many other states including Alabama, Indiana, Kansas, Maine, Missouri, and Oregon. It does not say that plans can never use prior auth or step therapy for these medications. It simply ensures that when plans use those tools, patients still have timely access to a therapeutic or clinically appropriate medication in each relevant class or category, which is very important for serious mental illness and addiction care.
- Unidentified Speaker 017ID Pending
For example, a plan can manage its formulary for anti psychotic medications but it should not delay access to an appropriate option when the patient's clinician determines it is medically necessary. For people with serious mental illness and substance use disorders, the right medication at the right time is essential for stability and recovery.
- Unidentified Speaker 017ID Pending
This bill helps ensure that medical necessary care is not, delayed by a requirement to fail first on a medication. I respectfully ask your right vote and happy to answer any questions.
- Akilah Weber Pierson
Legislator
Thank you. If anyone else would like to register their support for this bill, please come to the microphone. State your name, your organization, and your position only. Thank you.
- Unidentified Speaker 056ID Pending
George Cruz on behalf of the California Behavioral Health Association, proud cosponsor. Additionally, on behalf of the California Access Coalition and the Steinberg Institute in support.
- Unidentified Speaker 018ID Pending
Jason Sullivan Halpern, California Long Term Care Ombudsman Association in strong support.
- Unidentified Speaker 058ID Pending
Sarah Nacido on behalf of the California Chronic Care Coalition in support.
- Unidentified Speaker 013ID Pending
Whitney Francis with the Western Center on Law and Poverty in support.
- Unidentified Speaker 065ID Pending
Shana England with the California Community Foundation in strong support.
- Unidentified Speaker 020ID Pending
Jessica Moran, behalf of the California Life Sciences in support.
- Unidentified Speaker 021ID Pending
Marie Lopez, California Nurses Association in support and also registering support on behalf of the California Teachers Association. Thank you.
- Unidentified Speaker 022ID Pending
Trent Murphy with the California Association of Alcohol and Drug Program Executive in support.
- Unidentified Speaker 023ID Pending
Angela Hill with the California Medical Association in support.
- Unidentified Speaker 024ID Pending
Megan Loper on behalf of the California Hospital Association in support.
- Unidentified Speaker 025ID Pending
Luzique Guansano with the California State Association of Psychiatrists in support.
- Unidentified Speaker 025ID Pending
On behalf of the California Consortium of Addiction Programs and Professionals in support.
- Unidentified Speaker 026ID Pending
Anthony Guetta Vaimena, program manager, Mental Health America of California, strongly support.
- Unidentified Speaker 022ID Pending
Gilbert Laurie here on behalf of Biocom in support.
- Unidentified Speaker 027ID Pending
Sarah Webber with the Drug Policy Alliance in support.
- Unidentified Speaker 060ID Pending
Bob Giroux on behalf of the National Union of Healthcare Workers in support.
- Akilah Weber Pierson
Legislator
Thank you. Seeing no further individuals that would like to register their support, if there's anyone that would like to speak and lead opposition to this bill, this is your time to come forward.
- Unidentified Speaker 012ID Pending
On behalf of the California Academy of Family Physicians in support. Thank you.
- Unidentified Speaker 028ID Pending
Thank you, Chair. Good afternoon, Chair members. Matt Akin with the Association of California Life and Health Insurance Companies in respectful opposition AB 1970. While we appreciate the author's goal of improving access to high quality behavioral health care, we are concerned this bill would undermine important patient safety protections. Step therapy is an evidence based utilization management tool used to ensure medication compatibility, manage safety risks, and help patients access appropriate treatment.
- Unidentified Speaker 028ID Pending
Many medications used to treat serious mental illness and substance use disorders carry significant risk and require careful clinical oversight. Step therapy helps ensure that patients first try safe, effective, and evidence based treatment options before progressing to more intensive or higher risk therapies when clinically appropriate. Additionally, it's important to note that existing step therapy policies are already include exceptions in the appeals processes that allow patients to access alternative treatments when medically necessary.
- Unidentified Speaker 028ID Pending
California requires plans to grant exceptions when the prescribing physician demonstrates that the required drug is not effective, has caused adverse effects, is likely to be ineffective based on the patient's clinical history, or is not medically appropriate. Finally, CHABIRPS analysis projects higher costs under AP nineteen seventy, but does not anticipate a measurable improvement of overall public health outcomes.
- Unidentified Speaker 028ID Pending
Given that finding, we believe it's important to carefully consider whether the bill's benefits justify its additional cost. AB 1970 would restrict the ability of health plans and insurers responsibly managed care, promote evidence based treatment, and safeguard patient safety. For these reasons, we are respectfully opposed to the bill. We do wanna thank the author and sponsors, for their continued engagement on this bill and also thank the committee for their work and the amendments.
- Unidentified Speaker 028ID Pending
We're still in the process of reviewing, but it does appear to narrow the bill.
- Unidentified Speaker 029ID Pending
Thank you. Cassidy Heckman on behalf of the California Association of Health Plans, also in opposition today. I'd like to align the majority of my opposition comments with my colleague at ACLIC. However, I would like to add, and this point is reflected in the committee's analysis that CHBURP found that more than seventy percent of enrollees in DMHC or CDI regulated plans are not subject to step therapy for SMI and SUD.
- Unidentified Speaker 029ID Pending
CHBURP also indicated that this bill's immediate impact is small, and while there would be no net change in the number of enrollees using these drugs, the narrow subset would simply shift to a brand name drug.
- Unidentified Speaker 029ID Pending
Chaburp also stated that in some cases certain name brand drugs in these classes are actually less effective than generic versions at reducing symptoms. That said, we look forward to reviewing the proposed amendment and after the amendment is in print would potentially like to offer the author and committee additional clarifying amendments that may address the nuances of our concerns
- Akilah Weber Pierson
Legislator
should they be open to it. Thank you. If there's anyone else that would like to register their opposition to this bill, this is your time to come forward to the microphone. Seeing no one, we'll bring it back to committee. No comments.
- Akilah Weber Pierson
Legislator
Well, Assemblymember, I would like to thank you so much for working with us on this very important bill. And with that, we'll let you close.
- Unidentified Speaker 015ID Pending
Thank you, madam Chair. Res respectfully ask for an aye vote. Thank you.
- Akilah Weber Pierson
Legislator
Thank you. Perfect closure. Once we get a quorum, we will do that. Okay. Alright.
- Akilah Weber Pierson
Legislator
We are going to move down in the file to file 17, AB 2135 by Assemblymember Carlra.
- Ash Kalra
Legislator
Thank you madam Chair and thank you to Senator Rodriguez for allowing me to skip ahead. First of all, I am accepting the committee amendments. I really do wanna thank the Chair and committee staff for the work and the thorough analysis. AB 2,135 improves the facility initiated discharge notices provided to residents of nursing homes and other long term healthcare facilities.
- Ash Kalra
Legislator
Wrongful facility initiated discharges and unlawful evictions can leave residents without essential medical care, disrupt continuity of treatment, and place older adults and people with disabilities at serious risk of homelessness and declining health.
- Ash Kalra
Legislator
AB 2,135 builds upon existing federal regulations by establishing clear notice requirements and exceptions to the standard thirty day discharge notice apply. We have also worked with stakeholders to develop reasonable standards for situations in which a resident must be discharged because they pose a danger to others in the facility. This approach strikes an appropriate balance by providing facilities with needed flexibility, allowing notice as soon as practicable while ensuring that appropriate interventions and documentation are provided.
- Ash Kalra
Legislator
Many residents do not receive discharge notices in the language or format they can understand despite existing federal requirements. AB 2135 clarifies facilities obligations to provide translated notices in a resident's primary language and to make notices available in accessible formats such as large print or braille.
- Ash Kalra
Legislator
CMS data from late twenty twenty five show that sixteen percent of California skilled nursing facility residents require interpreter or translation services, while twenty two percent are vision impaired and may need accessible formats. In addition, more than half of residents report needing assistance understanding written medical materials. The bill also strengthens accountability by requiring written acknowledgment or receipt from the resident or the resident's legal representative. This provides clear verification that notice was received and helps prevent situations in which residents are discharged without formal notice.
- Ash Kalra
Legislator
Lastly, AB 2,135 as an optional enforcement tool that would allow restrictions on new admissions when facilities willfully defy state orders to readmit residents who were wrongfully discharged.
- Ash Kalra
Legislator
This provision helps ensure compliance with state law and protects residents rights. AB 2,135 has received bipartisan support and supported by nursing home resident advocates, ombudsman and senior and disability rights organizations. With me to provide supporting testimony is Jacqueline Flores, Consumer and Policy Advocate with California Advocates for Nursing Home Reform and Jason Sullivan Halpern, Executive Director with the California Long Term Care Ombudsman Association.
- Akilah Weber Pierson
Legislator
Thank you. You will have a combined total of five minutes.
- Unidentified Speaker 031ID Pending
Good afternoon, Chair and committee members. My name is Jacqueline Flores and I'm an advocate with California Advocates for Nursing Home Reform, also known as CANR. CANR is proud to cosponsor AB 2135, a bill aimed at ensuring nursing home residents appropriate discharge notices when they're faced with eviction. Kanner receives panicked phone calls from residents or their family almost daily because they're being told they have to leave their home and are overwhelmed.
- Unidentified Speaker 031ID Pending
In most cases, these residents have not received an actual notice of discharge as required by law.
- Unidentified Speaker 031ID Pending
In other cases, the notice and reason for discharge is completely inappropriate or confusing. I have assisted a nursing home resident who was forcefully removed from the facility by law enforcement and dumped at a homeless shelter because staff claimed he possessed illicit substances and endangered others. This came after staff involuntarily searched his belongings and found a bottle of dietary supplements and two empty lighters. The facility completely disregarded his rights and due process. Another resident I assisted had Parkinson's.
- Unidentified Speaker 031ID Pending
The facility reported to Medi Cal that her health improved because she walked to the nurse's station, which resulted in her nursing coverage being terminated. The facility then tried to verbally evict her because her health improved. In reality, the staff were not providing her required medications and she painfully and dangerously walked to the nurse's station to ask for them. These are just two brief examples of common ways nursing homes manipulate existing requirements to benefit their business at the expense of residents' health, safety, and dignity.
- Unidentified Speaker 031ID Pending
Forcing an older or disabled adult out of their home without due process is unconscionable.
- Unidentified Speaker 031ID Pending
AB 2135 closes loopholes and strengthens residents protections to ensure discharges are safe and appropriate. Thank you for your time and we respectfully request your aye vote.
- Unidentified Speaker 018ID Pending
Good afternoon. My name is Jason Sullivan Halpern. I'm the director of the California Long Term Care Ombudsman Association or CALCOA, a proud cosponsor of AB 2135. Unlawful, unnecessary, and unsafe evictions are the most common and urgent issues long term care ombudsman encounter in nursing homes. Last federal fiscal year, California's local long term care ombudsman programs responded to over 1,700 complaints involving nursing home transfers, discharges, and evictions.
- Unidentified Speaker 018ID Pending
Under federal law, ombudsman programs receive copies of all facility initiated notices and assist residents in both understanding and exercising their rights. Unfortunately, ombudsman across the state report that facilities often failed sorry, often failed to meet the most basic legal requirements for these notices. Federal law already requires facilities to provide these notices in writing and in a language of manner the resident understands, including braille and large print where needed. However, ombudsmen consistently report that many facilities rely on verbal translations rather than providing translated written notices.
- Unidentified Speaker 018ID Pending
Verbal translations, often performed by facility staff without specialized training, do not provide the documentation needed to verify compliance and accuracy.
- Unidentified Speaker 018ID Pending
As a result, these requirements are difficult for the Department of Public Health to enforce. AB 2135 does not create a new state or federal mandate. It clarifies and reinforces existing federal requirements already acknowledged by the department and all facilities letter twenty five seventeen from May 2025. We respectfully ask for your aye vote so that residents can fully understand their notices.
- Unidentified Speaker 018ID Pending
Families and facilities have adequate time to prepare for a safe discharge, and there's better documentation for the state that these requirements are being fulfilled.
- Akilah Weber Pierson
Legislator
Thank you. If there's anyone that would like to register their support for the bill, please come forward. State your name, your organization, and your position only.
- Unidentified Speaker 021ID Pending
Regina Brink, on behalf of the California Council of the Blind, a passionate cosponsor and strong support.
- Unidentified Speaker 032ID Pending
My name is Sylvia Yee. I'm the policy director with Disability Rights Education and Defense Fund, another co sponsor of the bill, and we are strongly in favor of this.
- Unidentified Speaker 013ID Pending
Whitney Francis with the Western Center on Law and Poverty in support.
- Unidentified Speaker 033ID Pending
Andrew Mendoza on behalf of the Alzheimer's Association in support.
- Unidentified Speaker 025ID Pending
Good afternoon. Lizzie Guansona here on behalf of the City and County of San Francisco. We're moving to neutral. Really appreciate the work of the author and the sponsors and thank you for the amendments.
- Akilah Weber Pierson
Legislator
Thank you. If there's anyone in the audience that would like to speak and lead opposition, this is your time to come forward. Seeing no one, if there's anyone that would like to register your opposition, this is your time to come forward to the microphone, state your name, your organization, and your position.
- Unidentified Speaker 034ID Pending
Darby Kernan on behalf of LeadingAge California. We want to thank this committee and the Assembly member for working with us and we're removing our opposition. Thank you.
- Unidentified Speaker 035ID Pending
Good afternoon. Yvonne Chung with the California Association of Health Facilities. We also would like to thank the committee, and the author for working with us on this bill, and we will also be removing our opposition. Thank you.
- Unidentified Speaker 036ID Pending
Vanessa Gonzales with the California Hospital Association. We currently have an opposed unless amended position on the bill. We are reviewing the committee amendments. They do appear to be a step in the right direction and look forward to reevaluating our position once the amendments are in print. And thank you to the author, sponsors, and committee Chair, and staff for their, engagement on this.
- Akilah Weber Pierson
Legislator
Seeing no further members of the audience who would like to register or support opposition or in between, bring it back to the committee. Seeing no comments, Assemblymember Kaller, thank you so much for, your work on this very important topic and, for working with this committee. And with that, would you like to close?
- Unidentified Speaker 030ID Pending
Thank you madam Chair for your support, your staff support. Respect the Aspen and I vote.
- Akilah Weber Pierson
Legislator
Thank you. And we will do that at the appropriate time once we get a quorum. We will now move to file item number 13, Assemblymember Rodriguez, AB 2066. And thank you so much for letting Assemblymember Cara go before you. You may begin whenever you're ready.
- Unidentified Speaker 037ID Pending
Say good afternoon. Let me good evening. Chair and members. I wanna start by thanking the committee staff for their work. My first bill to present today is AB 2066.
- Unidentified Speaker 037ID Pending
This bill recognizes pregnancy as a qualifying life event, allowing individuals to enroll in or adjust their health insurance when they need it most. This will ensure pregnant people have timely access to the care and coverage essential for a healthy pregnancy. Under current California law, individuals can enroll in or make changes to their health insurance only after experiencing a qualifying or triggering life event. These include when a person gains a dependent, such as the birth of a child, gets married, or adopts a child.
- Unidentified Speaker 037ID Pending
Enrollment in health plans is restricted to set periods.
- Unidentified Speaker 037ID Pending
Without a qualifying life event, individuals must wait until the next annual enrollment window to sign up or to make changes. Access to prenatal care cannot wait. Research has shown that timely access to prenatal care results in better outcomes for both the mother and the baby. When antiquated enrollment rules delay timely access to prenatal care, the consequences can include preventable risks for both the pregnant individual and the child.
- Unidentified Speaker 037ID Pending
Today, you will hear in support of AB 2066 from Camille Stone, certified nurse midwife, a member of United Nurses Association of California Professionals, our sponsors.
- Akilah Weber Pierson
Legislator
Thank you. You will have five minutes for your presentation.
- Unidentified Speaker 059ID Pending
My name is Camille Stone. I am a certified nurse midwife. I'm a certified lactation educator. I'm a registered nurse and I'm also a proud mother of four very feral boys. I am here today in support of AB 2066.
- Unidentified Speaker 059ID Pending
I began my career in 2013 in labor and delivery. For over a decade, I've had the privilege of caring for high risk pay rich patients, low risk patients, and everything in between. I've worked at multiple hospitals. I've worked in the birth center. I can tell you that I have seen firsthand what happens when someone does not have access to early prenatal care.
- Unidentified Speaker 008ID Pending
One of the most frustrating parts of what I do is when someone comes in for their initial OB visit and they're six or seven months into their pregnancy and they tell me, you know, I really wanted to come in sooner. But I was unable to do so because I wasn't in the open enrollment period with my insurance. You know, it's very frustrating for me when that happens. Pregnancy does not wait on an insurance enrollment calendar.
- Unidentified Speaker 008ID Pending
At the initial visit, there's a lot of important discussions we have education we provide.
- Unidentified Speaker 059ID Pending
There's a lot of important tests that we do. But one of the most important things we do is establish a due date. And it sounds very simple. But the due date when the baby is due determines almost every major medical decision that we will make in a pregnancy. And it's important that it's accurate.
- Unidentified Speaker 059ID Pending
Now one of the best ways we have to determine a due date is with an early ultrasound. Ideally before twelve weeks. Now, that's because honestly, we all start the same size but we grow differently depending on our genetics. So the earlier the ultrasound, the more accurate the due date is going to be. So you can see how that would be problematic if a patient cannot come to see me until they are six months pregnant.
- Unidentified Speaker 059ID Pending
And we know that this matters. The CDC has reported to us that over eighty percent of pregnancy related deaths are preventable. And one of the best tools that we have to combat that statistic is early and consistent prenatal care, Detecting risks before they become emergencies. AB 2066 identifies pregnancy for what it is. A significant life event that creates a need for immediate health care.
- Unidentified Speaker 059ID Pending
As a certified nurse midwife and as a mother, I'm very excited about this policy for the sake of my patients. So on behalf of my patients, on behalf of their families, I respectfully ask for your aye vote. Thank you.
- Akilah Weber Pierson
Legislator
Thank you. If there's anyone else that would like to register their support for this bill, please come to the microphone, state your name, your organization, and your position.
- Unidentified Speaker 023ID Pending
Angela Hill with the California Medical Association in support.
- Unidentified Speaker 066ID Pending
Kelly Brooks on behalf of the Santa Clara County Board of Supervisors here in support.
- Unidentified Speaker 025ID Pending
Angela Pontus on behalf of Planned Parenthood Affiliates of California in support.
- Unidentified Speaker 033ID Pending
Ethan Nagler on behalf of the City of Glendale in support.
- Unidentified Speaker 006ID Pending
Good afternoon. Kelly McMillan on behalf of American Academy of Pediatrics in support.
- Unidentified Speaker 009ID Pending
Martin Rodasovich on behalf of Reproductive Freedom for All California in support.
- Unidentified Speaker 038ID Pending
Hi. I'm Elizabeth Debs. I'm a certified nurse midwife and I've been doing prenatal care for women for twenty eight years and I work for Kaiser in Fontana and I support it. Thank you.
- Unidentified Speaker 027ID Pending
Sarah Webber with the Drug Policy Alliance in support.
- Akilah Weber Pierson
Legislator
If there's anyone who would like to speak and lead opposition to this bill, now is your time to come forward to the table. And you will have a combined total of five minutes.
- Unidentified Speaker 039ID Pending
Madam Chair and members, Olga Shiloh on behalf of the California Association of Health Plans. In respectful opposition to AB 2066, I want to start by saying that we agree that prenatal and maternal care, are critical and people should have access to that care early and consistently. Our concern is about how this bill changes the rules of, for how coverage works. California's health coverage system is designed to encourage people to stay enrolled, not to wait until they need care to sign up for coverage.
- Unidentified Speaker 039ID Pending
This bill moves away from that proven model by tying enrollment to a medical condition rather than a broader broad life event like losing coverage or moving.
- Unidentified Speaker 039ID Pending
And that raises a bigger issue around precedent if pregnancy becomes qualifying life event, other serious conditions could be next. Over time that unravels the Affordable Care Act framework that keeps coverage stable and affordable. There are also some pretty practical questions the bill does not answer. It doesn't define when pregnancy trigger triggers enrollment, how it's verified and how long someone has to act. So right now it could really be at any time.
- Unidentified Speaker 039ID Pending
Someone could wait until late in pregnancy, sign up at the point of highest cost and then leave coverage shortly after. That's not how the system is intended to work and it ultimately drives cost higher for everyone who stayed covered year round. For these reasons we respectfully request a no vote. Thank you.
- Unidentified Speaker 038ID Pending
Madam Chair, member Stephanie Watkins on behalf of the Association of California Life and Health Insurance Companies. I'd certainly like to echo many of my colleagues comments. I think historically, when we did guaranteed issue and we involved we began the conversation of the Affordable Care Act, one of the major issues is ensuring the stability of the marketplace. And so to do guaranteed issue, one of the things that we did is to ensure there was an individual mandate so you would have a healthy robust risk pool.
- Unidentified Speaker 038ID Pending
Unfortunately, as a part of that, there were reasons for which we established special enrollment periods to ensure that people when they they experienced life events, they moved, they got married, they lost coverage, they have would have ability to get into the marketplace.
- Unidentified Speaker 038ID Pending
This bill regrettably creates a disease specific special enrollment period which would be precedent setting. For the most part, the special enrollment pairs are really significantly tied to instances of general life events. I would underscore that this does allow people to move into the individual market which is an incredibly price sensitive market.
- Unidentified Speaker 038ID Pending
I think Chaburb on a previous bill acknowledged that this would potentially be a $2 per member per month impact and given those in the individual market do cover the full freight and cost of their health insurance that's incredibly impactful to a very vulnerable and price sensitive market. For that reason we are concerned about the potential for people to lose coverage due to increased premiums.
- Unidentified Speaker 038ID Pending
We also, as my colleague mentioned, I think there are a few other issues with respect to the bill we would like folks to consider, one being some guardrails around when the triggering event happens. I think some other states have looked at sixty days upon either there being an election of or a diagnosis of the condition. I think the other piece is, we would also like to acknowledge that there's a allowance for plan switching.
- Unidentified Speaker 038ID Pending
So So this bill doesn't just allow people who are uninsured into the market, but it allows people to switch to a more generous plan once they've been, diagnosed with their pregnancies. So we think those two elements should be looked at and we'd like to continue to have, conversations if the bill moves forward to see if the bill that other may consider narrowing it to really address the uninsured individuals.
- Unidentified Speaker 076ID Pending
But for those reasons we are opposed to look forward to future conversations. Thank you.
- Akilah Weber Pierson
Legislator
Thank you. If there's anyone else that would like to register their opposition, this is your time to come forward. State your name, your, organization, and your position. Seeing none, we'll bring it back to committee. Vice Chair Viadares?
- Suzette Martinez Valladares
Legislator
I love this bill. And I don't know, what's more defining of a life altering event than new life. I would love to be a co author. I think this is important to to me, to my community. You know, we want healthy pregnancies.
- Suzette Martinez Valladares
Legislator
We want women to be covered. We wanna encourage new moms when they're when when life begins to have care. And I which is why I love this bill, would would love to be
- Suzette Martinez Valladares
Legislator
author. And I mean, how many women do we think would would be impacted? I think there was an analysis.
- Unidentified Speaker 008ID Pending
I I that sorry. That was aggressive. I don't I don't know that actual number but I can tell you from my personal experience it happens all the time. All the time. And there are other scenarios where say they move from Los Angeles County to the Inland Empire and they are assigned to Los Angeles County and they're unable to travel.
- Unidentified Speaker 008ID Pending
They don't have a vehicle or they have children where they can't bring them two hours. Like, there's a number of scenarios I can tell you. But I don't know. I'm sorry. I don't know that.
- Suzette Martinez Valladares
Legislator
My understanding, I think and I I it was roughly 5,000. There's an expected about 5,000 women that would be covered. And again, I think this is an this is an important investment in women and I'm supportive. Thank you.
- Shannon Grove
Legislator
Senator Crow. Thank you. I am very conscious about the plans being able to cover cost and being able to, you know, having to pass those costs on the consumers because the last MCO tax, I think our cost for our employees went up almost 45%, and then cost increase every year because of mandates that come out of this, committee specifically. But again, I agree with the vice Chair.
- Shannon Grove
Legislator
I mean, what life altering event is is something more important than becoming a mom and finding out that you're gonna be a mom and to have a healthy baby and to start at at the point of, either conceptions, you know, or when you find out and you go to the hospital or the doctor a couple of weeks later, I think that's pretty impactful to recognize that, a life being taken care of in the womb is very important.
- Akilah Weber Pierson
Legislator
legislation. Seeing no further comments, want to also, thank you so much for bringing this very important piece of legislation. You know, it's interesting the things that we have to, you know, have legislation for in this state, you know, things that we would think would be common sense, because you know that you're pregnant, We know that you need to see providers. And, you know, in this country, you need to have insurance, because most of us cannot pay out of pocket for it.
- Akilah Weber Pierson
Legislator
And I also want to remind people about, yes, this may impact our health plans, but think about the cost to health plans and the insurance and sorry, and the entire health care system when you have people who are pregnant who do not have prenatal care.
- Akilah Weber Pierson
Legislator
risk pregnancies are extremely dangerous, not only to the mother and the patient and and the baby that they're carrying, but also extremely expensive to the health care system, which we all ultimately end up paying. And so as we're talking about these numbers, think about what happens when someone is not able to get early genetic screening that we know happens generally within the first trimester.
- Akilah Weber Pierson
Legislator
Or if they show up at thirty two weeks and have missed, you screening for gestational diabetes and now you've got multiple issues with that mother and that child. If or they show up having, you know, a placental abruption because they have undiagnosed hypertension which then led to Preeclampsia. So these things are extremely important to be able to evaluate very, very early on.
- Akilah Weber Pierson
Legislator
And I I know to the concern about someone choosing a more generous plan, well, we know especially in this day with affordability and the cost of health care, you may choose a less expensive plan because you believe that you're young, you're healthy, you don't need a bunch of other stuff. But once you become pregnant, you you will need more. And you may not have thought that when you were choosing a plan, but now you're in this situation.
- Akilah Weber Pierson
Legislator
And so to have that ability to get a plan that will actually meet your needs at that time is extremely important.
- Akilah Weber Pierson
Legislator
I would recommend to the author to go back and in your conversations and your discussions talk about the potential for, I won't say a timeline restriction like after they find out they're pregnant, but something around that because what we really want is for people to enroll as soon as they find out that they're pregnant and not to wait four, four, five, six months later because then all of these things that we're talking about can become a reality.
- Akilah Weber Pierson
Legislator
And so, you know, I know we had talked about it. We weren't able to really figure that out, but I would really strongly recommend that you, continue in those conversations. So I do acknowledge that concern on the part of opposition. And with that, thank you so much for bringing this very, very important bill forward. Would also love to be a co author and you may close.
- Unidentified Speaker 037ID Pending
I just would like to very much thank you all for your comments and your feedback. No one should have to be denied the chance to safeguard their health or the health of their child just because of the timing of their pregnancy. This bill has a lot of support, including a a prioritization by the women's caucus, I'm speaking to some of the comments earlier and so I just wanna thank you again and respectfully request your aye vote.
- Akilah Weber Pierson
Legislator
Thank you. And when we get a quorum, we will move on that bill. Thank you so much. We will now move to file item 14, AB 2160 by Assemblymember Rodriguez. And you may begin when you are ready.
- Unidentified Speaker 037ID Pending
I wanna begin by thanking again the committee consultants for their work on this bill and analysis. Assembly one Assembly bill 2160 will ensure greater access to and transparency in lactation services for both mothers and babies covered by the state's medical program.
- Unidentified Speaker 037ID Pending
Current law directs the Department of Health Care Services to simply streamline or pardon me, to simplify and streamline access to lactation support services and breast pumps yet too many new mothers continue to face unnecessary delays and inconsistent access when they need clinical lactation care. AB 2160 closes those gaps by providing clear direction on billing and reimbursement procedures explicitly stating that prior authorization is not required for covered lactation services and requiring the department to engage stakeholders before issuing updated guidance by 07/01/2027.
- Unidentified Speaker 037ID Pending
Breastfeeding improves health outcomes for both infants and mothers.
- Unidentified Speaker 037ID Pending
It supports infant nutrition and immune health, reduces the risk of chronic disease, and is associated with improved maternal health outcomes as well. This promotes transparency and accountability by requiring managed care plans to report the number of international board certified lactation consultants available in their provider networks. As the mother of a four month old who is currently nursing, this issue is deeply personal to me. I know firsthand how important timely expert lactation support can be during those critical first weeks and months after childbirth.
- Unidentified Speaker 037ID Pending
No family should encounter administrative barriers when they seek the care that they need.
- Unidentified Speaker 037ID Pending
Presenting alongside me today is Sarah, our cosponsor of our bill.
- Unidentified Speaker 040ID Pending
Thank you, Chair members. My name is Sarah Diaz. I'm with the California WIC Association, and I'm actually gonna read two statements from some colleagues who wanted to be here today, but unfortunately had some childcare conflicts arise. The first one is from Samantha Slaughter, a local international board certified lactation consultant here in Sacramento. Good afternoon.
- Unidentified Speaker 040ID Pending
Thank you, Chair and members of the committee for the opportunity to speak today. My name is Samantha Slaughter and I'm here in strong support of AB 2160. I am a lactation consultant with nearly twenty years of experience serving WIC and medical families. Every day I see parents who want to breastfeed and are doing everything they can to help, but the system makes that help too hard to find.
- Unidentified Speaker 040ID Pending
Having a baby can bring immense joy but it also comes with healing, exhaustion, and the urgent need to feed a newborn.
- Unidentified Speaker 040ID Pending
When breastfeeding challenges arise, families should be able to get timely lactation support. Instead, many Medi Cal parents spend hours calling member services, health plans, and doctor's offices only to be transferred, misunderstood, or told no provider is available. By the time they reach someone who can help, some have already stopped breastfeeding, Not because they wanted to, but because the path to care was too confusing and too slow.
- Unidentified Speaker 040ID Pending
AB 2160 is an important step toward changing that by requiring clearer medical guidance on lactation services and helping providers better understand where gaps in access remain. This bill will not solve every barrier overnight but it will make the system more transparent, more accountable, and easier for families and providers to navigate.
- Unidentified Speaker 040ID Pending
When we reduce even one unnecessary step between a parent and the care they need, we improve the chances that both parent and baby will thrive. For these reasons I respectfully ask for your aye vote on AB 2160. Thank you. And I'll read the second one. Good afternoon Chair and members.
- Unidentified Speaker 040ID Pending
My name is Jasmine Pettis. I'm the executive director of the California Breastfeeding Coalition and an international board certified lactation consultant, IBCLC. I've worked across hospitals, WIC agencies, and private practice and now lead California statewide efforts to remove barriers so families can meet their infant feeding goals. While Medi Cal has covered lactation support services including IBCLC since 1998, families face delays, confusion, and unnecessary barriers that prevent them from receiving timely care.
- Unidentified Speaker 040ID Pending
I have worked with families who need urgent support in the first days after birth and could not access a qualified provider without navigating referrals, prior authorizations, or unclear pathways.
- Unidentified Speaker 040ID Pending
AB 2,160 addresses these challenges by requiring the Department of Healthcare Services to issue updated guidance that clearly defines medical coverage for the full continuum of lactation services, clarifies billing and reimbursement procedures, and affirms that covered lactation services do not require prior authorization prescriptions or referrals. Importantly, the bill also increases transparency and accountability by requiring Medi Cal managed care plans to report the number of IBCLCs available within their provider networks.
- Unidentified Speaker 040ID Pending
This information will help policy makers, plans, providers, advocates, and families better understand whether clinical lactation services are truly accessible to medical members who need them. AB 2,160 is an important step toward improving access to evidence based lactation care. Clear guidance helps ensure that providers can deliver services appropriately, managed care plans can administer benefits consistently, and families can obtain timely support during a critical period for maternal and infant health.
- Unidentified Speaker 040ID Pending
California has made a commitment to supporting healthy births, infant nutrition, and maternal health. AB 2160 helps strengthen that commitment by making the medical understandable, accessible, and effective for the families who rely on it. I respectfully urge your aye vote on AB 2160.
- Akilah Weber Pierson
Legislator
Thank you. If there's anyone in the audience that would like to register their support, please come to the microphone. State your name, your organization, and your position only. Thank you.
- Unidentified Speaker 023ID Pending
Angela Hill with the California Medical Association in support.
- Unidentified Speaker 013ID Pending
Denise Perla Ochoa Noel Martinez on behalf of California WIC Association and California Birth Feeding Coalition, proud composers of AB 2160, and on behalf of the Center for Community Action and Environmental Justice in support.
- Unidentified Speaker 010ID Pending
Isabella Argueta with the Health Officers Association of California in support.
- Unidentified Speaker 027ID Pending
Christine Smith, Health Access, California in support.
- Unidentified Speaker 013ID Pending
Nicole Wertleman on behalf of the Children's Partnership in support.
- Unidentified Speaker 057ID Pending
Kelly McMillan on behalf of the American Academy of Pediatrics, California in support.
- Unidentified Speaker 034ID Pending
Darby Kernan on behalf of the First Five Association of California representing all 58 county First Fives in support.
- Akilah Weber Pierson
Legislator
Alright. Seeing no one else that would like to register their support, if there's anyone that would like to speak as lead opposition, this is your time to come forward to the table. Seeing no movement, if anyone would like to register their opposition, this is your time to come to the microphone. Seeing no one, we'll bring it back to the committee. Seeing no, comments, Senator Grove will move the bill at the appropriate time.
- Akilah Weber Pierson
Legislator
Assemblymember Rodriguez, thank you so much for bringing this important bill to us. And would you like to close?
- Unidentified Speaker 037ID Pending
I respectfully request an aye vote to support nursing mothers and children. Thank you.
- Akilah Weber Pierson
Legislator
Thank you so much. And at the appropriate time, we will take Senator Groves' motion up for a vote. We will now move to file item 15, AB 2302, also by Assemblymember Rodriguez.
- Unidentified Speaker 037ID Pending
Speaking of meeting nutritional needs, we are presenting AB 2302. Once again, I'd like to thank the committee for their work on this bill. I'm proud to present AB 2302 to protect our youngest and most vulnerable Californians. AB 2302 is fundamentally about ensuring accountability, safety, and transparency for the food our infants rely on. We request that manufacturers make public what they already are doing for safety.
- Unidentified Speaker 037ID Pending
This bill requires manufacturers to test for and disclose testing results for heavy metals, including lead, arsenic, and others to the public and include this information on their websites and their products. This bill complements efforts by our own attorney general, so our constituents, nurses, pediatricians, and organizations that support parents like California WIC have access to informed choices and informed recommendations for infant formula. This legislation builds on California's leadership just as we have previously acted to hold baby food manufacturers and prenatal vitamin manufacturers accountable.
- Unidentified Speaker 037ID Pending
Transparency drives safer industry practices. Accountability ensures we have measures in place, so our constituents know we are working on and responding to the headlines questioning that and testing the safety of infant formula.
- Unidentified Speaker 037ID Pending
This legislation also represents a nationwide bipartisan effort as similar bills have been introduced in several states. Today, you will hear from Carly Clemens, Children Now sponsor of the bill, and Sarah Diaz with the California WIC Association in support of the bill.
- Akilah Weber Pierson
Legislator
Thank you. You will have a combined total of five minutes.
- Unidentified Speaker 040ID Pending
Chair and members, on behalf of the California Wick Association, we're pleased to support AB 2302, which will increase transparency and accountability regarding the potential presence of heavy metals in infant formula sold in California. The California WIC program serves nearly one million pregnant postpartum and breastfeeding individuals, infants, and young children each month and accounts for approximately 50% of the infant formula sold in our state.
- Unidentified Speaker 040ID Pending
Infant formula is the most the most redeemed item in the WIC food package making it safety and urgent priority for us. For many WIC families infant formula is a critical source of nutrition when breastfeeding is not possible, not desired, or requires supplementation. Parents deserve confidence that the products they rely on to nourish their infants are subject to rigorous testing and transparent reporting.
- Unidentified Speaker 040ID Pending
AB 2302 takes an important step toward providing families with accessible information about arsenic, cadmium, lead, and mercury in infant formula products. By requiring manufacturers to conduct regular testing and make results publicly available, this bill empowers parents and caregivers with information they can use to make informed decisions. The bill promotes greater accountability throughout the infant formula supply chain through clear testing and disclosure requirements. Many parents lost confidence during the infant formula recall in 2022.
- Unidentified Speaker 040ID Pending
Increased transparency can help rebuild trust while encouraging continuous efforts to reduce exposure to contaminants wherever possible.
- Unidentified Speaker 040ID Pending
Infants are uniquely vulnerable to environmental contaminants due to their rapid growth and development. While families often have limited choices when selecting infant feeding products, they should not have limited access to information about those products. AB 2302 helps address this gap by making testing results accessible and understandable to consumers and the California WIC Association respectfully urges your support.
- Unidentified Speaker 072ID Pending
Good afternoon madam Chair and members. My name is Carly Clemens and I specialize in children's environmental health at Children Now. We are proud to sponsor AB 2302. As we've seen with, baby food and AB 899 which was approved by this committee in 2023, transparent information bolsters consumer confidence rather than scaring people away. This bill would do the same.
- Unidentified Speaker 072ID Pending
There are three infant formula manufacturers that make up approximately 80% of The U. S. Market. We've heard from the organization representing them that formula manufacturers already conduct testing which consistently shows that all products are already meeting safety standards for the heavy metals and chemicals listed in this bill. This is great news.
- Unidentified Speaker 072ID Pending
This bill would simply make those reassuring test results public. Currently manufacturers do not share those results with WIC agencies, pediatricians, parents and caregivers, or even with the FDA. This bill would also reduce burden on taxpayers to hold manufacturers accountable. In recent years, California's Attorney General settled lawsuits with two of the three formula manufacturers I mentioned after concerning levels of lead were found in their products. The American Academy of Pediatrics is clear that there is no safe level of lead for children.
- Unidentified Speaker 072ID Pending
Even very low levels can impact children's health and development. The two manufacturers in those settlements are required to test their products to make sure that lead does not exceed an established level and to report the results. AB 2,302 would level the playing field by requiring all manufacturers to test their products for heavy metals and to disclose the results. This bill does not create concerns for parents. It addresses concerns that many parents already have.
- Unidentified Speaker 072ID Pending
Consumer reports recently found that 63% of surveyed parents were very concerned about toxic elements in formula. All caregivers deserve access to transparent information about what they feed their babies. Even if many parents don't access this information, transparency will still drive manufacturers in the right direction to protect California's babies from exposure to heavy metals. I respectfully ask for your support for AB 2302.
- Akilah Weber Pierson
Legislator
Thank you. Thank you. If there's anyone else in the audience that would like to register their support for this bill, please come to the microphone. State your name, your organization, and your position only. Thank you.
- Unidentified Speaker 023ID Pending
Angela Hill with the California Medical Association in support.
- Unidentified Speaker 013ID Pending
Denise Martinez on behalf of California Wake Association in support. Nicole Wertleman on behalf of the Children's Partnership in support.
- Unidentified Speaker 025ID Pending
Lizzie Guanson on behalf of the Center for Science in the Public Interest in support.
- Unidentified Speaker 007ID Pending
Susan Little on behalf of the Environmental Working Group in support.
- Unidentified Speaker 020ID Pending
Kelly Brooks on behalf of the Santa Clara County Board of Supervisors in support.
- Unidentified Speaker 077ID Pending
Olivia Herrera, intern at Stone Advocacy on behalf of the California Children's Hospital Association in support. Thank you.
- Unidentified Speaker 041ID Pending
Nora Angelus with Children Now on behalf of the Center for Environmental Health, Clean Earth for Kids, Families Advocating for Chemical and Toxic Safety, GMO Science, San Francisco Bay Physicians for Social Responsibility, and the American Nurses Association California all in support.
- Unidentified Speaker 017ID Pending
Kai Klassen on behalf of Breast Cancer Prevention Partners in support. Thank you.
- Unidentified Speaker 006ID Pending
Good afternoon. Kelly McMillan on behalf of the American Academy of Pediatrics, California in support.
- Unidentified Speaker 013ID Pending
Good afternoon, Chair members. Carol Gonzales on behalf of the Consumer Federation of California in support.
- MarĂa Elena Durazo
Legislator
Alana Latticeir, American Nurse's Association of California in support. Thanks.
- Akilah Weber Pierson
Legislator
Thank you. If there's anyone that would like to speak and lead opposition to this bill, this is your time to come forward to the table. You will have a combined total of five minutes.
- Unidentified Speaker 043ID Pending
Good afternoon, madam Chair and members. Missy Johnson here on behalf of the Infant Nutritional Council of America, also known as Inka. INCA represents leading domestic manufacturers of infant formula, and we are opposed unless amended to AB 2302. We have amendments that effectively more effectively address the sponsor's concerns while ensuring that consumers are not unduly inundated with confusing, unhelpful information. Infant formula that tests at levels higher than the EU standard.
- Unidentified Speaker 043ID Pending
Those standards, initially set in 2016 are the strictest in the world. AB 2302 requires confusing complicated information on infant formula labels without providing consumers with more context about the levels and what is considered safe. This this data is difficult to understand. The average parent cannot differentiate between the impact of providing a 0.2 or 0.25 parts per billion level of arsenic. For context, one parts per billion is equivalent to one drop of water in an Olympic size pool.
- Unidentified Speaker 043ID Pending
Further, and contrary to what was, previously said, this information is currently available on the FDA's website. Recent testing of 312 infant formula samples covering 16 brands with multiple lots tested per brand. The FDA tested for arsenic, cadmium, lead, mercury, 30 PFAS, 318 pesticides, 21 phthalates, and one non phthalate plasticizer, and released the public released their results publicly. Last infant formula is an FDA regulated product and federal approval is required to any changes to it including labeling.
- Unidentified Speaker 043ID Pending
To comply with this bill and federal law manufacturers would have to submit the label changes to the FDA for approval a process with an uncertain timeline.
- Unidentified Speaker 043ID Pending
Thus, this bill could prevent the sale of infant formula in the state until the FDA approves the changes and the additional information it requires. That's why we proposed a more streamlined and effective approach, ensuring that infant formula on California shelves is below EU limits and below the heavy metal levels in for the heavy metals in AB-two Thousand 302. We hear the sponsors concerns about safety and our members share those concerns as well.
- Unidentified Speaker 043ID Pending
We believe that implementing the ban that we propose, which would be the first in the nation, is a superior solution. Thank you.
- Akilah Weber Pierson
Legislator
Before you begin Quorum. We can finally establish quorum. Assistant, please call the roll.
- Unidentified Speaker 044ID Pending
Here. Mangovar here. Padilla, Perez, Rubio, Smaller Cuevas.
- Unidentified Speaker 061ID Pending
Great, thanks. My name is Craig Fellner. I'm the Director of Government Affairs for the Infant Nutrition Council of America. Infant formula is the most highly regulated food in The U. S.
- Unidentified Speaker 061ID Pending
Food supply. Infant Formula is produced under rigorously controlled conditions supported by robust validated food safety management systems. Infant Formula manufacturers identify potential risks for heavy metals and monitor heavy metal levels across raw materials and final product. Heavy metals and trace amounts have always been a part of the human diet. They exist in the environment and may be absorbed or ingested by plants and animals for which food ingredients including infant formula are sourced.
- Unidentified Speaker 009ID Pending
Heavy metals are found in fruits, vegetables, meat and seafood even when organically grown or raised and in human breast milk. Our members have protocols in place to reduce the presence of these substances and ingredients to ensure that any trace levels and finished infant formula remains safe for consumption and meet international standards. We are asking that we not be simply added to the existing testing and reporting program that is currently law for baby food. The difference in formula and baby food are stark.
- Unidentified Speaker 009ID Pending
Rightfully so, infant formula is regulated like a medicine whereas baby food is regulated like all other foods in a grocery store.
- Unidentified Speaker 009ID Pending
And most importantly, infant formula is the sole source of nutrition for a baby other than breast milk. Whereas there are many, many choices to feed your older baby in a grocery store.
- Unidentified Speaker 009ID Pending
So as Missy explained, instead of just looping us into a baby food program where we are proposing language mandating all manufacturers or brand owners who seek to sell infant formula products in the state of California must annually attest to CDPH through written documentation that their infant formula products are in compliance with the European Union and standards set soon by FDA. In the current global landscape, the EU sets the most stringent and extensive regulatory limits for heavy metal contaminants in the world.
- Unidentified Speaker 009ID Pending
It's also important to understand that these standards are not static but rather are continually updated to reflect our current understanding of the impact of these heavy metals on infants.
- Unidentified Speaker 061ID Pending
Our members are committed to providing safe high quality infant formula products. Our proposal transforms the current bill into an easy to understand helpful safety bill that provides useful science based reassuring information that infant formula, one of the most important products that parents and caregivers purchase is safe to consume because it meets rigorous science based standards. Thank you so much. Look forward to answering any questions.
- Akilah Weber Pierson
Legislator
Thank you. At this point, if anyone would else would like to register their opposition, please come to the microphone, state your name, your organization, and your position.
- Unidentified Speaker 045ID Pending
Marisol Ibarra Buslama with Consumer Brands Association and respectful opposition. Opposed as amended. Looking forward to working with the author.
- Akilah Weber Pierson
Legislator
Thank you. Seeing no one else who would like to speak in opposition, support, or a Tweener, we'll bring it back to committee. Senator Menjivar?
- Caroline Menjivar
Legislator
This is awkward. She's my Assembly member, but I have a question. I did. I shared that. She cheated and sent me a photo of her baby with a onesie that I sent her.
- Caroline Menjivar
Legislator
I just had a couple of questions. We've been going back and forth on this. You know, this committee two years ago had a similar bill. We were able to exempt baby formula because there was concern about the fear. And two questions I have.
- Caroline Menjivar
Legislator
The your sponsors utilized WIC as an example to help better protect. But WIC, if I'm not mistaken, has selected options and they only have one option to choose from.
- Caroline Menjivar
Legislator
So if we're putting out the one option they get to choose for infant formula, now has all this stuff on the label, that could potentially block them out of buying that one product they're allowed to buy because they're worried now that it has all these numbers, it has this on there, even though it doesn't show if it's unsafe or unsafe. Could if you could address that first.
- Unidentified Speaker 037ID Pending
Yeah. I mean, let's give an opportunity to Sarah and Carly who represent WIC as well to provide comments first.
- Unidentified Speaker 040ID Pending
I can just say, while I don't wanna speak for our friends at CDPH WIC, I will say that WIC is not a stranger to providing parent education. It's a pretty core tenant of the WIC program and that includes teaching parents how to read nutrition labels. And so this would actually be a unique opportunity to help parents with questions that they already come to WIC with.
- Caroline Menjivar
Legislator
Okay. So even though they'll have just one option to choose from given that the you're saying the WIC program already is a holistic program because it provides education though they'll simply further educate them.
- Unidentified Speaker 040ID Pending
In in the event that there was an issue where the formula was not safe to be sold because of the presence of heavy metals, I think that The states already has a precedent of responding during the 2022 recall because of the cyanobacter contamination. They were able to temporarily allow flexibility for many different brands of formula to be sold
- Caroline Menjivar
Legislator
Can you expand or either of you what the label will say? Is the label just gonna say that it has I mean, there's so many list of things that you could test for. Lead is pretty simple. Just and I agree there's no safe level of lead for our children. But all the other things, is it just gonna list the amount of each heavy metal on the label?
- Unidentified Speaker 027ID Pending
So the label will have a QR code that says for more information on heavy metals.
- Unidentified Speaker 037ID Pending
And we have not prescribed exactly how they have to present that and we welcome further discussion.
- Caroline Menjivar
Legislator
Okay. To the, Missy opposition, you shared amendments. I'd like to hear from you how you believe that these are stronger this is a stronger language for consumer protection.
- Unidentified Speaker 043ID Pending
Thank you, Senator, for the question. Quite frankly, we're proposing a ban, which basically says that any infant formula sold in the state of California has to test lower than the EU standards that currently exist, which are the strictest in the world. The FDA doesn't currently have a standard, but we also have language in the what we've offered the author in that, if the FDA does develop a standard and it happens to be stricter than the EU standard, we will follow whichever is stricter.
- Unidentified Speaker 043ID Pending
The bill as it currently is, is a disclosure bill. We fail to understand how or why a disclosure bill is more strict or more strenuous than a ban, which is what we're proposing.
- Unidentified Speaker 043ID Pending
And this information is already available on the FDA website. I printed it off the website today, and it's it's easily, you know, you can look at it and see the different formulas broken down by manufacturer. So there is a way for individuals who want this information to accept to access it.
- Unidentified Speaker 043ID Pending
We just don't think this is something that the average parent, especially if they if cost is a consideration, because let's be clear, inexpensive for them to try out various different brands based upon point zero zero whatever differences parts per billion on any of these things is not necessarily in their best interest or the best interest of their child. Solution that basically says, if it's on a California shelf, this is safe for your child to consume.
- Caroline Menjivar
Legislator
But does CDPH have the capacity to review if it meets the EU standard or not? That's what you're proposing, right, for the CDPH to review it?
- Unidentified Speaker 043ID Pending
We're not proposing that CDPH to review it. We are ask we're basically saying if we are putting our names on the line and we are we would be providing them with an attestation that they can review at any time. And by the way, under the existing Sherman Act, they can have access to this information already. That is current law. So if at any time CDPH wants to go through and access our information on these testing levels, they can do it now.
- Unidentified Speaker 043ID Pending
And the attestation provides them with another avenue, another venue for them to come after us and to take enforcement action. That's why we included. And quite frankly, when we presented this option or these amendments to the author's office, we gave them many different options for enforcement in hopes of having a dialogue to figure out what the best method would be. That, unfortunately, hasn't happened. We would like very much for that to happen.
- Unidentified Speaker 043ID Pending
So we're not tied to the attestation, but we just thought it would be a way for them to have another avenue to come after us if for whatever reason we don't meet any of these standards.
- Unidentified Speaker 037ID Pending
I just wanted to share that the amendments that have been provided to this bill were not provided in good faith. The opposition provided a complete gut and amend to this bill. It relies on self attestation from the same industry that has been sued by our own attorney general for lack of transparency. It asked that Californian simply trust manufacturers without providing any way of verifying whether it meets safety standards, and parents shouldn't have to rely on a manufacturer's word that a product is safe.
- Unidentified Speaker 037ID Pending
Public discourse creates accountability, builds trust, and allows families to make informed decisions. If companies are already testing their products and meeting safety standards, which is the claim, sharing those results, we don't believe should be controversial. In addition, the proposal builds off of an existing proven framework that CDPH already has developed for baby food and prenatal vitamins, which was referred to before.
- Unidentified Speaker 037ID Pending
This gut amendment proposal would cost taxpayers millions of dollars in a time that we simply cannot do that and should not be put on taxpayers instead of industry.
- Caroline Menjivar
Legislator
Thank you for this, my member. And you you you mentioned the manufacturers that were sued and the sponsors you talked about because of the lawsuit they now have to test. Is that frequency the same frequency that this bill is asking to test on a monthly basis?
- Unidentified Speaker 027ID Pending
So my understanding of that settlement is that it's time limited to five years, so it's not indefinite. And the levels that I'd actually take this opportunity to clarify. The level set in that attorney general settlement are actually lower for lead than the EU standards. The EU standards are 20 parts per billion for powdered and 10 parts per billion for liquid whereas the Attorney General settlement level are five parts or seven parts per billion depending on the composition.
- Unidentified Speaker 027ID Pending
So it's worth noting that the California standards are actually more protective than the EU levels for lead specifically.
- Unidentified Speaker 027ID Pending
And my understanding is that it's an annual disclosure, it's not lot specific testing which is what this bill is asking for.
- Caroline Menjivar
Legislator
So the lawsuit didn't it just included annual test, annual reporting but no testing, the bill is asking for?
- Unidentified Speaker 027ID Pending
Sorry, no testing and reporting of results. So the testing was required.
- Caroline Menjivar
Legislator
On an annual basis but the bill is asking for a monthly test.
- Unidentified Speaker 027ID Pending
The bill is asking for testing of lot specific. So I'm actually not sure of that cadence for producing lots of formula but it is lot specific which I believe the results that the FDA just released in their recent really massive testing was sort of a market basket testing so it's not lot specific either. It was really comprehensive but my understanding was it's not lot specific, hopefully it's lot specific.
- Unidentified Speaker 009ID Pending
Thank you. I just want to address a couple of things. The reason why we're up here talking to y'all today is because baby food and infant formula are different. And when a mom is standing in a store, she has a 100 choices to feed her 18 old or 14 old baby.
- Unidentified Speaker 009ID Pending
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And so my point is we're the sole source to nutrition other than breast milk. And so we're willing to attest to a standard because what we don't and what we fear is moms and dads will get anxious and will get scared by these numbers.
- Unidentified Speaker 009ID Pending
And we know from some pediatricians that they'll go and they'll Google homemade formulas or they'll go buy almond milk, which we know doesn't have the 30 mandated ingredients that we have to put in. FDA tells us what's supposed to be in our formula to closely mimic the results of breast milk. And so we want to provide a comfortable situation.
- Unidentified Speaker 009ID Pending
We know moms and dads when they're in the store buying If it formula, most of the time they're there through some trials and tribulations and they're going through a tough time. And we always say as manufacturers of formula, you should breastfeed your babies.
- Unidentified Speaker 009ID Pending
That's what God provided for nutrients. But we know millions of moms and dads can't do that. They do it for as long as they can. They may supplement half and half when they go back to work. So we wanna make that situation the best situation it could be in a grocery store.
- Unidentified Speaker 009ID Pending
And so we know our formula is safe. We just got, a clean bill of health from FDA about a month ago. And so we're providing the answers to the test essentially. The underlying bill provides a whole bunch of very small minute numbers on a website. We're willing to attest to testing under the EU limit as the prerequisite of putting it on the shelf.
- Unidentified Speaker 009ID Pending
So we're giving the moms and dads the answers to the questions.
- Caroline Menjivar
Legislator
My last question is if the bill is not prescriptive and how the labeling or what the label is gonna look like. I mean I don't scan anything on my food if there's a QR code.
- Unidentified Speaker 009ID Pending
It it is prescriptive. It says, you must put on the this is and this is you must put on the label for more information about not the toxic was taken out of heavy metals click here on this QR code. So it's prescriptive of what it says.
- Caroline Menjivar
Legislator
on the actual product. It's if you're going to scan a QR code if that consumer goes the next step to actually scan the QR code.
- Unidentified Speaker 009ID Pending
So what I just mentioned is actually on the product. It would be on the label itself with a QR code. The measurements
- Caroline Menjivar
Legislator
will not be. The measurements won't numbers won't be on it. It's like a No,
- Unidentified Speaker 009ID Pending
no, no. Because we probably can't fit it on there. I mean FDA is in charge of our label. Every change that we make, how minute it is we have to get it approved by FDA. So they're kind of in charge of our label.
- Unidentified Speaker 009ID Pending
We couldn't fit it on there. There's already a bunch of mandates of what we have to put on there with respect to our nutrients.
- Shannon Grove
Legislator
Thank you. I'd I'd like to follow-up just with a queue a few questions and the reason why is because the first QR code that build it was done, I did it with the student who was worried about digits on the back of a card and a QR code to be able to access mental health services for students on the back of an ID card. And the governor actually signed the bill with a QR code, first time it's ever been done.
- Shannon Grove
Legislator
That QR code has to be linked to some place. Where is your QR code linked to?
- Unidentified Speaker 037ID Pending
To their website. Whose website? The manufacturer's.
- Shannon Grove
Legislator
The manufacturer's website. So if there's a QR code that's, referenced to thank you for that. If there's a QR code that references stuff to link to your website, are you saying that your website this bill is saying that you're gonna have to ask 0.001% or, you know, parts per billion or whatever that you'll have to create a page for that?
- Unidentified Speaker 009ID Pending
Yes. Essentially, you just have to be informative to the test results on the website. So you
- Shannon Grove
Legislator
have to inform the test results which you already have from the FDA. Correct?
- Unidentified Speaker 009ID Pending
We've given we've given the FDA over the last they just their study they just released was all of our data from 2023 to 2025. That's what they scrubbed. And so we give that data to the FDA.
- Shannon Grove
Legislator
Okay. I'm just trying to get to the point. I wanna I wanna try to understand what I'm asking you. So I'm gonna ask you in a different way. If I scan a QR code because I go to the doc I go to the grocery store and I'm looking to buy baby formula and it takes me to your website.
- Shannon Grove
Legislator
Do I just it takes me right to the page where you have the FDA results that says you're safe and you're monitored by the FDA and you meet all the requirements.
- Unidentified Speaker 009ID Pending
Well, the requirements of the bill are that we put the raw data, testing data on there. So a mom or dad would have to look and decipher between point zero zero two five whatever parts per billion versus some really small minute number that's gonna
- Shannon Grove
Legislator
I got it. Is if it's a trust issue with the manufacturer, why not just allow them to have the FDA information in there instead of the 20 page document of what's actually in the formula? And I realize it's transparency but, so two things. If they're required to change their manufacturing stuff under the EU standard, does that make you create two things? One, let me start here first.
- Shannon Grove
Legislator
So two things. If you guys do, a u a EU standard, is there any other state in the nation that does a EU standard? Or are you gonna separate yourselves out from California for a California manufacturer and will you only produce California manufactured baby formula that complies with a EU standard that isn't sold anywhere else? Just curious.
- Unidentified Speaker 043ID Pending
Well, all of our all of our formulas currently test under the EU standard now. So we wouldn't have to do anything different, which I think is probably what is upsetting to the sponsors. But we assert that that remain the fact of the matter is that our products are safe.
- Unidentified Speaker 009ID Pending
But that would be the first in the nation attestation
- Unidentified Speaker 043ID Pending
The ban is what would be the first in the nation in that if at any point because An
- Unidentified Speaker 043ID Pending
If at any point any of the batches that are tested because there is routine testing that happens, that if any of those batches test higher than the EU levels, they would not be allowed for sale in California.
- Shannon Grove
Legislator
So and and I know it was a proposed gut in a minute and I'm not trying to you're the author of the bill. I'm not trying to tell you to change your bill. I'm just saying that, I have the same fear. If you can achieve what you want to achieve to make sure you have safe baby formula on the shelf, they're willing to ban anything that comes across that doesn't meet a certain standard that's stricter than the FDA federal standard that regulates baby formula now.
- Shannon Grove
Legislator
Your intent is to make sure that we have good product baby formula out because I do sit on budget sub three with my colleague and we do have I mean, I don't wanna say the population, but the population that we deal with in budget sub three, I mean, is it in English and Spanish?
- Shannon Grove
Legislator
Is it in different languages? We have a lot of different languages. So is it required to be in different languages? It isn't just in English? I'm just asking.
- Unidentified Speaker 009ID Pending
Under the bill, I think it all it doesn't really reference language.
- Unidentified Speaker 027ID Pending
respond. Thank you. And just to clarify the bill is actually not prescriptive that the website contains raw data. So we've seen with baby food that they've gotten pretty creative because there's nothing that prohibits manufacturers from making the information accessible. So for baby food they have used the EU levels in the absence of FDA levels while those are being set and it's a pretty user friendly presentation.
- Unidentified Speaker 027ID Pending
And it's not actually as simple always as point zero two, point zero two five, like Consumer Reports did testing last year that found that some of the baby formula options had levels of arsenic that were just under the EU level or almost twice the level of for drinking water. So it's not so much the minutia of decimals and of course these are very small amounts but let's say I'm a mother who's or a father who's concerned about arsenic in my child's former. Or grandmother.
- Unidentified Speaker 027ID Pending
And I want to make sure because it matters to me and I'm worried about it that my child consumes the lowest level of arsenic possible. If I can scan two QR codes and see, oh, that one has 19.5 and the EU level's 20, that's a little closer comfort for me. And this one has 1.4. I will even if I am not a scientific person, I will understand that 1.4 is much closer to zero and much farther away from 20 than 19 is.
- Shannon Grove
Legislator
is English and Spanish? Why ask that? They didn't know. I just Okay.
- Unidentified Speaker 009ID Pending
So I would just say, you know, that's the point that was asked earlier, about, all these numbers are going to be similar. They might be slightly above or slightly below. You take up a family that needs to purchase more economical formula, maybe it's a brand from Target, Walmart, Walgreens.
- Unidentified Speaker 009ID Pending
What does that mom or dad think when they if they look at and they're able to decipher it, let's say they are and it's slightly above some other more expensive premium brand, what kind of anxiety are they going to have? And so that's sort of the genesis and that's why we we feel like it's fair to let moms or dads know is it safe or is it not safe.
- Unidentified Speaker 009ID Pending
And you can make a decision for your infraformin based on could be price, could be whether little Johnny tolerates it or not. And it also could be a decision between you and your pediatrician.
- Shannon Grove
Legislator
Okay. So now you've sparked that grandmother in me. Are you saying that your cheaper formula is higher contaminated than your most you said higher price formula maybe less?
- Unidentified Speaker 009ID Pending
There there there are there are obviously different price points for formula. That's all I'm saying.
- Unidentified Speaker 043ID Pending
No. The point is that the differences between all of these different brands are so small. And with for a parent who does not have the necessary necessary scientific training and or background, they could look at that and think that maybe it is inferior or or worse than a different product at a different price point. And for someone who is income constrained, they might then lose more trust in that product even though that loss of trust is not warranted.
- Unidentified Speaker 043ID Pending
That is our concern because they're all so close to each other.
- Unidentified Speaker 043ID Pending
It just it creates and stokes an unnecessary concern or fear.
- Shannon Grove
Legislator
Thank you. So I do have a question on the AG. You said there was a lawsuit with the attorney general that says that, that it has to exceed the U EU formula, which is, I don't know, point two zero parts per billion or whatever you said. Right? 20?
- Unidentified Speaker 027ID Pending
The attorney general settlement was specific to lead and it established a new more protective standard than what is used by the EU.
- Shannon Grove
Legislator
So okay. So the the EU standard so on our baby formula in California because of a lawsuit, is California's baby formula manufactured at a different way? So it meets the point five to point seven levels of the according to the attorney general lawsuit separate from any other state. Do you already do that?
- Unidentified Speaker 009ID Pending
I don't believe there. None of my members manufacture infant formula in California, but it's made in other states and shipped to California. I really can't speak to exactly the batches and the SKUs and where they go. So we can't regulate that either.
- Shannon Grove
Legislator
because they don't match it for manufactured here. Right. Okay. Alright. Thank you.
- MarĂa Elena Durazo
Legislator
I I just wanna thank the the author. The issues that are being brought up are same values and protections that that I was shooting for in my menstrual products bill, SB 754. And and that's because we want to know what's in the products that we're putting in our bodies. We wanna know what's safe for us and for our for our children. But in talking to several people, it's women.
- MarĂa Elena Durazo
Legislator
How are we mindful of how sensitive this issue is for new new parents? And the author is a new parent, so she's most mindful, I think, of of anyone here. But I just wanna make sure that we're not giving our babies formula where the the message is that's a a harmful option or somehow, you know, it's gonna it's gonna hurt our babies.
- MarĂa Elena Durazo
Legislator
So because that would really be that would be a I know that's not what you obviously, that's not what you're looking for in any way, shape, or form, but it just happens and we gotta be mindful of it. Thank you.
- Akilah Weber Pierson
Legislator
Thank you. Wanna thank, the author for bringing this forward. Wanna thank, those who have spoken in support and against. We definitely wanna make sure that what we are taking in, what our what our babies are taking in, from conception on is as healthy and and free as possible of these very toxic metals. But I wanna go back because it I don't know of an industry that has has come up with a request for a ban.
- Akilah Weber Pierson
Legislator
So that is very intriguing to me. I wanna ask the author again. What is your concern with the ban?
- Unidentified Speaker 037ID Pending
Through your bill and through, Assemblymember Marcucci's bill on baby food. There is an existing structure through the department to implement this bill. The cost associated with the proposal would not allow it, I think, to make it past our fiscal committees in our current fiscal situation. And I am open to further discussions, but I think what this does is provide transparency in it. I thought there was a very interesting question by Senator Grove regarding are there more heavy metals in lower cost infant formula options.
- Unidentified Speaker 037ID Pending
This bill will provide the transparency to answer that question, and we can then elevate that conversation if the industry is exceeding these levels and providing a danger to our children, which I recognize as well. We don't wanna set any alarm bells for any parents, but when you read about lawsuits and recalls, that alarms parents. Transparency should not be a threat.
- Unidentified Speaker 037ID Pending
We should drive companies to do better and drive them to go towards zero because we know that a lot of these elements are not safe even in any amount like lead.
- Unidentified Speaker 037ID Pending
And so I don't if you would like more, I would ask my witness to provide
- Akilah Weber Pierson
Legislator
I would I would agree that health and transparency is extremely important. I do also get concerned about the ability to truly interpret certain data. And, you know, even myself with an MD, some of this, it's not my area. And so if I'm looking at it, it may be difficult for me to interpret, and I have a graduate degree.
- Akilah Weber Pierson
Legislator
And so I get concerned about just a QR code and a link to a source that has this data information, and how am Aye, especially as a brand new parent, I'm juggling all of these other things, supposed to be able to interpret this information.
- Akilah Weber Pierson
Legislator
So, the data that you just showed us, where where is that data?
- Unidentified Speaker 043ID Pending
The data is accessible on the FDA website. They released it about a month ago.
- Akilah Weber Pierson
Legislator
The data is there because of what? Because we mandated? Because the Federal Government mandates it?
- Unidentified Speaker 009ID Pending
It's it's a it's an FDA program called closer to zero which somebody mentioned earlier. It's the activity of setting limits and trying to drive children's and baby food and then ultimately infant formula closest to zeros we can get. Okay. And so it's part of that effort.
- Akilah Weber Pierson
Legislator
Okay. And so how often do you have to upload that data?
- Unidentified Speaker 009ID Pending
Well, it's it's it's just available. It's available. It was a I don't I'm not sure how long it took them to do the study, but the study was conducted using two years worth of data.
- Akilah Weber Pierson
Legislator
So I think one of the concerns is alright. So we have this data point today. Right? What about in a year? How are we gonna get that data?
- Unidentified Speaker 009ID Pending
It's it's not clear to us the intervals in which they're gonna test, although the FDA did say in a press release that they are gonna continue to test infant formula going forward. But I just I'm sorry I can't tell you exactly the intervals for that.
- Unidentified Speaker 043ID Pending
And it has to be said that the FDA often conducts unannounced inspections of our facilities and they do the testing there. So that may be why we don't yet know what the intervals are because they just may show up and do it at that particular point.
- Akilah Weber Pierson
Legislator
So then let me ask you, this QR code, Assemblymember, Rodriguez, this QR code that's going to link to the testing, where is that testing information coming from? So that testing if I
- Unidentified Speaker 027ID Pending
may that testing would be lot specific and I actually misspoke earlier. The data is lot specific, but the testing information that the QR code takes you to would be specific to the lot of infant formula you are holding in your hand. And that would come from the new testing requirements for manufacturers.
- Unidentified Speaker 027ID Pending
Yes. And if I can I actually know a little bit about a lot of it about the FDA data that was just released? That was a massive undertaking in response to, multiple issues, but there was the consumer report study that I mentioned. And the day after that was released, the FDA announced operation stork speed to look into heavy metals and it, like we said, it's multiple years of data. I don't believe that there's a cadence to recreate that level of effort.
- Unidentified Speaker 027ID Pending
I believe this was an undertaking to demonstrate and answer the question that it is safe, but the difference between that data and the data this bill would require would be that it is specific to what you are buying today and not data from 2023.
- Akilah Weber Pierson
Legislator
So I have a question, to, opposition. Completely agree with your premise that getting this information via QR code is very confusing and have no clue what it means. You know, if if you're off point zero zero one versus another one, is that good, bad, and different? But also understand that as of right now, we do not have a law or a path to test these products on any kind of regular basis.
- Akilah Weber Pierson
Legislator
So it's great that we have this one report, that came out, but we don't know when the next one will come and we're talking about, you know, things current.
- Akilah Weber Pierson
Legislator
Has there been any thought? Because I know you had talked about your concern about trust with self attestation. Keeping the requirements for testing and for those that test
- Akilah Weber Pierson
Legislator
I mean, it has has that been a part of the conversation because it gives you the testing, so there's not necessarily self attestation. But at the same time, it removes the need for a parent to decipher a bunch of very complicated information.
- Unidentified Speaker 037ID Pending
would disclose the testing to our California State Department?
- Akilah Weber Pierson
Legislator
They could disclose it to our State Department but whoever is above that threshold would not be able to be sold here on the shelves in here in California.
- Unidentified Speaker 009ID Pending
So that that that's essentially what our are the crux of our proposal kind of is in the direction it's going. We would absolutely be willing to talk with the author about that and it's a negotiation and a discussion that we love to have. Absolutely.
- Akilah Weber Pierson
Legislator
So this is what I'm going to say to Assemblymember Rodriguez. You have a great bill. It is important for us to sell and provide things that are safe here in California. I am very concerned about just this mass information that people will not be able to understand. And at the end of the day, it may not lead to what we're trying to get to which is for people to to use safe products.
- Akilah Weber Pierson
Legislator
Removing those products is really the best way to go about it, but I do understand your concern about if someone's just attesting, yes, this is safe, this is safe. You have a method in your bill that would require lot testing. I strongly suggest that you all have conversations about keeping that part and adding the ban so that we're selling and providing the safest things possible without the burdensome of a QR code and some information that families and parents may not be able to digest.
- Akilah Weber Pierson
Legislator
I'm gonna have the health committee staff continue to work with your staff to see how we can get this moving. Okay?
- Unidentified Speaker 037ID Pending
I want to thank you all, for the robust conversation and questions. We will take your feedback. We will continue to work on this bill. Thank you for understanding the intent. You just heard a bill about lactation support.
- Unidentified Speaker 037ID Pending
Now mothers have the ability or choose to nurse their children and then having safe products for what their children rely on for the first weeks and months of their life is so critical. And so, thank you for hearing the bill today, and I respectfully request your aye vote.
- Akilah Weber Pierson
Legislator
Thank you. We actually have a quorum. So I will take a motion moved by, Senator Gonzales.
- Akilah Weber Pierson
Legislator
The motion is do pass and re refer No. I'm sorry. This one is do pass and re refer to the committee on environmental quality. Secretary, please call the roll.
- Unidentified Speaker 044ID Pending
Weber Pearson? Aye. Weber Pearson, aye. Fariderez? Not voting.
- Unidentified Speaker 044ID Pending
Not voting. Fariderez, not voting. Caballero? Aye. Caballero, aye.
- Unidentified Speaker 044ID Pending
Durazo? Aye. Durazo, aye. Gonzales? Gonzales, aye.
- Unidentified Speaker 044ID Pending
Grove, not voting. Manjavar? Aye. Manjavar, aye. Padilla?
- Akilah Weber Pierson
Legislator
Five to zero will place that on call. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. We will now move to file item 18, AB 2194 by Assembly member Valencia.
- Unidentified Speaker 026ID Pending
Oh, it's this is an easy one. This is an easy one. Should be an easy one. Words matter. Words matter.
- Unidentified Speaker 026ID Pending
You're telling me. You shouldn't be here to begin with.
- Avelino Valencia
Legislator
Thank you, madam Chair. Muy Buenasada's members. I wanna start off by thanking the Chair for her engagement on this bill and also her committee for the work that they have done thus far to get us to this point. I wanna also state that I'll be accepting the committee's proposed amendments. Due to timing, they will be taken in the next committee as well.
- Avelino Valencia
Legislator
AB 2194 aims to strengthen the governance of CalOptima Health, my district's County County organized health care system that serves nearly one in three residents within Orange County. The amendments are introduced on June 15. We're focused on the depoliticizing the CalOptima board and making sure the board is governed first and foremost for its members. That goal had real support. Local stakeholders reached out to back it and wanted to ensure that the depoliticizing of the board would take place.
- Avelino Valencia
Legislator
However, after receiving further outreach, including outreach by our boards of supervisors, I made the decision to not move forward with those amendments as drafted. I wanna be thoughtful in how I approach policy and all feedback matters to me. However, stepping back from those amendments does not mean the problem in my county has gone away or that I'm taking my eye off the ball. Recent actions by the CalOptima board and Board Members' departures from that board only further prompt the need for impartiality.
- Avelino Valencia
Legislator
CalOptima is unique because their governance structure has been codified into state statute, the only public health care system in the state to have done that.
- Avelino Valencia
Legislator
This gives us the legislature the authority and responsibility on this particular issue. After working with the committee, we have new language that takes a more measured step in what I hope to accomplish, an audit to ensure governance systems are performing at the highest level. This audit will review the board's policies and collective actions and deliver recommendations to ensure services are maximized for our families, seniors, and children. I will not stop fighting for the most vulnerable residents in my district.
- Avelino Valencia
Legislator
I proudly in my district, there are half of the members who are constituents and depend on Medi Cal, and I will continue to be proudly representing them in these efforts. These amendments, are a step in the right direction. And as legislators, we all well know, we took some very difficult budget votes, in order to fill the gap, because of the HR 1 cuts. And this issue matters more than ever, hence why I would like to move forward with this proposal.
- Akilah Weber Pierson
Legislator
Thank you. You will have five minutes for your presentation.
- Unidentified Speaker 021ID Pending
Thank you, Madam Chair. I'm Janet Wynne, Orange County Supervisor and currently a board member as well to CalOptima. I want to start out by thanking Madam Chair, your committee staff and the assemblymen for taking our concerns seriously and for understanding how important Board of Supervisors oversight is to CalOptima. I also want to say thank you to some of the committee members who I've reached out to as well and thank you for your time to meeting with us and or our staff.
- Unidentified Speaker 021ID Pending
My understanding is that the latest amendment would remove the two most concerning parts of the prior amended language to supervisors, oversight and their appointment authority.
- Unidentified Speaker 068ID Pending
Our county appreciates this. CalOptima manages more than $4,000,000,000 in public health care dollars. At one point, the grand jury found that having only one county supervisor in the CalOptima Board was not enough. That is why the structure was changed to include two county supervisor. We can all agree that accountability is important.
- Unidentified Speaker 068ID Pending
After the former supervisor Andrew Doscana, we have focused on cleaning up the system, closing gaps and protecting public funds. At the state level, I co authored legislation to strengthen Cahuatomo's safeguards. At the Board of Supervisor, I called for independent audits into all contracts, decisions and public funds connected to the former supervisor. So yes, we supported independent audit. There is still there is just small language in there that might undercut this purpose.
- Unidentified Speaker 021ID Pending
Specifically, we are concerned with the language that focuses on preserving executive staffs independent contracting authority within the auditing section. We had four safety net hospitals we moved from the Medi Cal network to an executive decision without a board's vote. That affected tens of thousands of members access to care, especially if they're in my district. This is exactly the kind of authority we should not simply preserve without Board's oversight.
- Unidentified Speaker 021ID Pending
Staff independence cannot mean executive staff can make all contract decision without meaningful CalOptima Board's review and or approval.
- Unidentified Speaker 068ID Pending
In conclusion, we respectfully press request an aye vote and look forward to working with the author on these minor refinements. Thank you.
- Unidentified Speaker 047ID Pending
Good afternoon, madam Chair and members of the committee. My name is Vicente Sarmiento, Orange County supervisor for the 2nd District and also a Chair of the CalOptima board of directors. First, let me begin by just thanking you and your, staff consultant, for the work on the revisions that were accepted by the Assembly member. I also wanna thank the Assembly member for his work and for his time. We met earlier today and it appears that, 99% of what we were seeking is in here.
- Unidentified Speaker 047ID Pending
So we are very, very grateful on behalf of all the members that we co represent. I am just as concerned about their care as you are for many of our members that are losing their coverage. We know that we've lost about and we're projecting about a 175,000 members to be dropped from CalOptim and Medi Cal coverage as a result of barriers. So we are working towards the same goal.
- Unidentified Speaker 047ID Pending
We believe that the revisions that were reconciled with this committee and the member's office and the county and the CalOptima team look to be ones that we can support.
- Unidentified Speaker 047ID Pending
We took an opposed position earlier but that was withdrawn based upon the recommended language and that's where we are. We certainly look forward to working through any minor refinements. I don't see anything that is going to create another barrier to this. I think we're very, very close. We certainly support the Assembly members motion to support the revised language and look forward to working with your team.
- Unidentified Speaker 047ID Pending
But we just thank you because we know it happened all very quickly and many people worked on this quite a bit. So we thank you on behalf of all our residents in in the county.
- Akilah Weber Pierson
Legislator
Thank you. If there's anyone else in the audience that would like to register their support for this bill, please come to the microphone. State your name, your organization, and your position only.
- Unidentified Speaker 071ID Pending
Michael Sean Wright, director of field medicine for Womb Walk, the nation's largest street medicine team with the revised language we strongly support.
- Unidentified Speaker 070ID Pending
Good afternoon, madam Chair and members. Megan Loper on behalf of the California Hospital Association and the Hospital Association of Southern California with the amendments today. We're pleased to move from opposed into neutral. So thank you so much for the work of the committee.
- Unidentified Speaker 067ID Pending
Kelly Brooks on behalf of the urban counties of California and the rural county representatives of California with the, amendments discussed at the hearing today. We will be removing opposition.
- Unidentified Speaker 006ID Pending
Kathy Mossberg with the local health plans. Same for us with the amendments that we really appreciate all your time and effort on this. We remove our opposition.
- Unidentified Speaker 062ID Pending
you. Brandon McCarthy with the California State Association of Counties. Similarly, we'll be removing our opposition. We thank the author and the committee for their work on this.
- Akilah Weber Pierson
Legislator
Thank you. Seeing no further individuals that would like to speak in support or a Tweener, is there anyone that would like to speak in lead opposition to this bill? Seeing no one, if anyone would like to register their opposition to this bill, please come the microphone, state your name, your organization, and your position. Seeing none, we'll bring it back to the committee.
- Akilah Weber Pierson
Legislator
The bill has been moved by Senator Grove. Assembly member Valencia, really wanna thank you so much for working with this committee. Understanding that, you recognized a a problem, that needed to be fixed in your area. You've kind of gone a long way with this bill, but, really appreciate you working with staff, really appreciate staff, and also, supervisors as well for reaching out and having conversations about what it is that is needed in your area.
- Akilah Weber Pierson
Legislator
And hopefully, with the amendments, we're able to come to a place where, you know, people feel much more comfortable.
- Akilah Weber Pierson
Legislator
A lot of the opposition has been removed, but still gets at the issue that you were trying to fix in the first place. And so with that, would you like to close?
- Avelino Valencia
Legislator
Thank you, madam Chair. Agree with you 100%, and also wanna just express my gratitude to the supervisors once again for their openness to collaborate on this issue. We had a very productive conversation that ended as supervisor Sarmiento mentioned. At the same place, the depoliticizing and ensuring that we're moving resources in the best way possible in Orange County. I do want to note the example that supervisor Nguyen raised, regarding a health care provider in the county.
- Avelino Valencia
Legislator
You know, CalOptima was very public about, the, moving away from that health care provider in Orange County due to the fact that only 1.5% of Medi Cal CalOptima's members were receiving services from this particular contract in a whole year. So there was a a very policy driven decision as to why that decision was made. Fast forward to where we're at today, the county is in a hole when it comes to medical resources due to a HR 1 to the tune to about $325,000,000.
- Avelino Valencia
Legislator
Unfortunately, a very recent action within the last month reinstated that very same contract and paid back about $30,000,000 due to lost contract revenue because of the stoppage of their usage. So, again, in an effort to ensure that efficiency is at the forefront of the decisions being made, I think this is a good first step, and I think the con the conversation should continue.
- Akilah Weber Pierson
Legislator
Thank you. The motion has been made by Senator Grove. The motion is do passed and we refer to the committee on local government. Assistant, please call the roll.
- Unidentified Speaker 044ID Pending
Weber Pearson? Aye. Weber Pearson, aye. Palladares? Aye.
- Unidentified Speaker 044ID Pending
Palladares, aye. Caballero? Aye. Caballero, aye. Aye.
- Akilah Weber Pierson
Legislator
80 will place that on call. Thank you. We will now move to file item 20, AB 2244 by Assemblymember Gabriel. Assembly member, you may begin when you are ready.
- Jesse Gabriel
Legislator
Thank you very much, madam Chair and colleagues, and I wanna thank you and the committee for your thoughtful work on this bill. I will be accepting the committee amendment. I am pleased today to present AB 2244 legislation designed to empower Californians to make better informed and healthier choices by increasing transparency around ultra processed foods.
- Jesse Gabriel
Legislator
In recent years doctors and scientists have increasingly warned us about the negative health consequences of ultra processed foods, which have been linked to serious health harms including cancer, cardiovascular disease, diabetes, metabolic disorders, reproductive harm and neurobehavior issues in children. These products are often filled with harmful additives and specifically engineered to interfere with our brain signals in ways that contribute to food addiction.
- Jesse Gabriel
Legislator
In recent years, California has emerged as a national leader in addressing the growing health risks associated with UPFs. We began three years ago by banning the most dangerous additives, selecting chemicals where the industry couldn't credibly push back. We then moved to limit additives in our school foods and then to restrict ultra processed foods in our schools. Last year, Governor Newsom signed into law the Real Food Healthy Kids Act, legislation that established a framework to phase out dangerous ultra processed foods from California schools.
- Jesse Gabriel
Legislator
It was a historic win for our kids and for public health, and it passed with overwhelming bipartisan support.
- Jesse Gabriel
Legislator
I'm proud of California's leadership over the past three years. But despite this progress more work is needed to protect our kids and to improve public health. And so now it's time to address ultra processed foods in our grocery stores. In particular, consumers continue to face real challenges in identifying healthier products. Ingredient lists are often long, technical, and incomplete, leaving families without clear accessible tools to distinguish between minimally processed and highly processed foods.
- Jesse Gabriel
Legislator
Our view is that parents shouldn't need a PhD in chemistry to understand what they're feeding their kids. And that's why we have introduced AB 2244. This bill would establish a non ultra processed certified seal that manufacturers could place on products that meet clear science based standards for not being ultra processed. Modeled after its successful and widely recognized USDA organic label, the seal would provide consumers with a simple trustworthy way to identify healthier options with a quick glance.
- Jesse Gabriel
Legislator
The bill would also require large grocery stains in California to display these healthier products in a prominent high traffic area of the store so that busy shoppers can find healthier options quickly and conveniently.
- Jesse Gabriel
Legislator
This bill is a common sense approach that will enable consumers to quickly compare products and empower them to make better informed choices. It will also highlight allow manufacturers to highlight healthier products and rewards companies that are doing the right thing. And so doing this bill will address the dangers of ultra processed foods, but in a way that strengthens consumer choice, drives innovation and promotes healthier options across the food supply without banning any products.
- Jesse Gabriel
Legislator
I want to highlight that we have had productive conversations with opposition and are proud to have moved the California Grocers Association from opposition to support. We are happy to accept amendments today and are committed to working collaboratively with all other parties to produce the strongest possible bill.
- Jesse Gabriel
Legislator
Finally, I wanna thank the many medical researchers and public health advocates who have worked in close partnership with us on this bill. I'm proud that it's supported by a coalition that includes the California Medical Association, the American Academy of Pediatrics, the American Diabetes Association, the American Heart Association, the Crohn's and Colitis Foundation, United Nurses Association of California, the California Grocers Association, and many more. I'm pleased to have with me today to testify in support of this bill, Scott Faber from the Environmental Working Group.
- Akilah Weber Pierson
Legislator
Thank you. You'll have a total of five minutes for your presentation.
- Unidentified Speaker 049ID Pending
Thank you, madam Chair and members of the committee. Thank you, Assemblymember Gabriel, for your leadership. My name is Scott Faber, and I'm testifying today on behalf of the Environmental Working Group, a sponsor of AB 2244. I'm also an adjunct professor of law at Georgetown Law School where I teach food and farm law. And prior to joining EWG, I was the vice president for federal affairs for the Consumer Brands Association.
- Unidentified Speaker 049ID Pending
As Assembly Member Gabriel just told you, the overwhelming scientific evidence shows that ultra processed foods have been linked to serious health harms ranging from diabetes to an increased risk of dementia. Processed foods are part of a healthy diet. But ultra processed foods or UPS are different from processed foods because they have been engineered in ways that make our food not just delicious but literally irresistible.
- Unidentified Speaker 049ID Pending
Consumers are increasingly trying to avoid UPS and there are many processed foods in the grocery store that are not ultra processed and are lower in saturated fats, sodium and added sugars. However, consumers are struggling to distinguish between UPFs and these healthier processed foods.
- Unidentified Speaker 049ID Pending
The voluntary non UPFCO authorized by AB 202-forty four will help consumers by applying the definition you created in AB 1264 to the marketplace and buying asking grocers to make these non UPF options easier to find. Minimally processed foods like olive oil, nuts, and pasteurized milk are all non UPF options eligible for the non UPF seal.
- Unidentified Speaker 049ID Pending
California's definition of UPF's closely mirrors the consensus definition published by UPF experts just a month ago, which recommends that UPFs be defined as foods containing a cosmetic additives such as artificial flavors, synthetic colors, stabilizers, thickeners, and emulsifying agents. Very similar to the definition that EULA crafted last year in AB 1264. Let me reiterate, the non UPF seal authorized by AB 2244 is completely voluntary.
- Unidentified Speaker 049ID Pending
By contrast, many other countries including Mexico and Canada have required mandatory warnings on the front of an unhealthy processed foods. So let's help consumers build healthy diets. I urge you to support AB 2244 to help consumers find better options for their families. Thank you.
- Akilah Weber Pierson
Legislator
Thank you. If there's anyone else in the audience that would like to register their support for this bill, please come to the microphone. State your name, your position, and your organization only. Thank you.
- Unidentified Speaker 025ID Pending
Lizzie Guansona here on behalf of California Medical Association, American Heart Association, and the office of Kat Taylor, all in support. Thank you.
- Unidentified Speaker 017ID Pending
Kai Clawson on behalf of Breast Cancer Prevention Partners in support. Thank you.
- Unidentified Speaker 006ID Pending
Good afternoon. Kelly McMillan on behalf of the American Academy of Pediatrics, California in support.
- Unidentified Speaker 025ID Pending
Good evening. Taylor Turfel on behalf of the California Grocers Association. We appreciate working with the author and have to support.
- Akilah Weber Pierson
Legislator
Thank you. Seeing no further individuals wishing to register their support, if you would like to speak as lead opposition, please come to the table at this point. You will have five minutes for your presentation.
- Unidentified Speaker 050ID Pending
Hello, Chair and members. My name is Katie Little. I'm with the California League of Food Producers in opposition to AB-two 244. I'd like to thank the committee and staff for their work on this bill. You may have seen CLFP's concerns outlined in the analysis.
- Unidentified Speaker 050ID Pending
And although some past amendments have relieved some of our concerns, we remain opposed at this time since DPH has not yet started the process of defining what a school safe food is as depicted by AB 1264 last year as part of the several definitions that are gonna move through the Department of Public Health and what is going to be defined as a UPF in those different definitions.
- Unidentified Speaker 050ID Pending
I would just like to say that we have concerns because those definitions can encompass foods that are normally thought as healthy as kind of discussed before with my colleague here. We are concerned because olive oil and cheeses, other dairy products could be wrapped into that definition of ultra processed foods. So again, until we know what those definitions are and when they're set by DPH, this program would kind of, line right up with the labeling of those certain foods.
- Unidentified Speaker 050ID Pending
And so we just have concerns with those, kind of parallel processes going on at the same time.
- Akilah Weber Pierson
Legislator
Thank you. If anyone else would like to register opposition, this is your time to come to the microphone. State your name, your organization, and your position. Good evening. Katie Davey with Dairy Institute in opposition for the
- Unidentified Speaker 045ID Pending
you. Marisol Rivera Buslama with Consumer Brands Association and the California Manufacturers Technology Association also in opposition of the bill.
- Akilah Weber Pierson
Legislator
Thank you. Seeing no further individuals that would like to speak in support, opposition, or in between, We'll bring it back to the committee. Senator Groves?
- Shannon Grove
Legislator
Thank you, madam Chair. It's interesting. We just had a bill that we all thought we needed a PhD to read the product that's in it, for baby formula. And then you're saying we should need a PhD, but I think people are gonna need a PhD for that last bill. I know Senator Nilo and I will.
- Shannon Grove
Legislator
Maybe the Chair won't, but Senator Nilo and I will. I just wanna make sure because I can't find a clear definition. It says in the bill on on page four, line number 25 that the ultra processed food is defined as in section ten four six six one. Is that the same definition that you used in '16 or December last year?
- Shannon Grove
Legislator
I just wanna make sure it's the same definition. And you know why I'm asking. Right? Because I think California grown produce and farmers and pistachio farmers and individuals that provide healthy snacks to kids should still be able to provide those. And the way the bill was written previously, your previous bill, you worked very well with me to make sure that we could still have those healthy snacks produced by our own growers and farmers here in California in our schools.
- Jesse Gabriel
Legislator
That's exactly right. And I would just thank you for your really helpful engagement on that. And as you know, we took more than 50 amendments in crafting that definition. We worked really, really hard with stakeholders and scientists and experts and so we feel like we have a great definition and so that's the definition that we're using in this bill.
- Shannon Grove
Legislator
I that's what I wanna clarify because I looked on Yash chat DPT, and they can confirm that, which kinda bothered me a little bit too. But anyways, thank you. I applaud you for going after this. I know that I think you were Maha before Maha even was a thing. And, I really do.
- Shannon Grove
Legislator
I think you've been working on this for such a long time that that's a true statement. And as long as that definition is, the same definition in October, I'd be glad to support the bill.
- Suzette Martinez Valladares
Legislator
Thank you, and thank you for asking that question, Senator Groff for my clarification as well. And I just wanna say that, you know, it has been amazing to watch you dig into this issue, and to really look at this with the lens of creating competition as opposed to mandates, which is why I'm super excited about this bill and to be able to support it. And we've had conversations in the past about about, this being a bipartisan issue and being a parent.
- Suzette Martinez Valladares
Legislator
And I just really appreciate your work on this. Happy to move the bill when it's appropriate.
- Sasha Perez
Legislator
Just wanna thank you again for all of your efforts, particularly in this space. You know, last year, you had your first bill on ultra processed food, which was really a big deal. I think the first in the country, and now this is continuing to build on that work. So just appreciate the amount of work that you've done in this space so far. I think it's really exciting that California is leading the way yet again.
- Akilah Weber Pierson
Legislator
While seeing no further comments, really wanna thank you, Assemblymember. As was stated, you really have been a champion in this area, and really appreciate it because, unfortunately, we have moved into a space where what we are consuming is really very unhealthy and is actually contributing to all of the chronic conditions and shortening of lifespan.
- Akilah Weber Pierson
Legislator
And unfortunately, when you talk about a lot of these ultra processed foods, you'll find them disproportionately available in certain communities and in certain areas where you have more fresh foods and fresh fruits and those that, don't have a lot of these things in in other communities.
- Akilah Weber Pierson
Legislator
And so as we try to close that health gap, the life expectancy gap, when we talk about social determinants of health or social drivers of health, having access or at least the knowledge of what is healthy and what is not as healthy is extremely important. We're not removing it, but we're giving people the information.
- Akilah Weber Pierson
Legislator
And so wanna thank you for this bill. Very proud coauthor of this bill and would like to see you close. Thank you.
- Jesse Gabriel
Legislator
Well, thank you so much for those kind comments, Senator. I just wanna thank you madam Chair for, for all of the work and thought partnership that you have provided. You and this committee have made each of the bills that I have done better, and stronger, and I have often quoted you and the the the the wisdom that you have shared with me in conversations with folks about this issue.
- Jesse Gabriel
Legislator
So just wanted to, thank you for that and and thank you to all the senators for their thought thoughtful comments. I will just say with one moment of personal privilege, I do wanna thank Scott Faber, our witness here who testified before Congress yesterday and then took a late night flight and got about four hours of sleep be here with us today.
- Jesse Gabriel
Legislator
So I wanna thank the witness, and respectfully request an aye vote.
- Akilah Weber Pierson
Legislator
Thank you for that. I believe the motion has been made by Senator Grove. The motion is do passed and we refer to the committee on judiciary. Assistant, please call the roll.
- Unidentified Speaker 044ID Pending
Bebe Pearson? Aye. Bebe Pearson, aye. Panderas? Panderas, aye.
- Akilah Weber Pierson
Legislator
We will now move to file item I see he's on the edge of his seat. 24AB2405 by Assembly member Gibson. You may begin when you are ready.
- Mike Gipson
Legislator
Thank you very much, madam Chair and senators. I know time has far spent. I wanna thank my witness for missed his flight, but this bill is certainly worth fighting for, and I appreciate all of you being here. Thank you very much for allowing me to present Assembly Bill 2405. I want to start off by, one, accepting one, thanking the Chair and and also accepting the the accepting the amendments offered by the committee and helping strengthen this bill.
- Mike Gipson
Legislator
This bill is absolutely personal to me. Twenty four zero five, they're relating to law enforcement patient transport. Again, accepting the amendments. Assembly bill 2405 addresses an issue that has become one of a of a statewide concern as hospitals throughout California faces an epidemic of overcrowding.
- Mike Gipson
Legislator
Our hospitals are being pushed to the brink of many factors, And one of those one of these is the patients, the practice of law enforcement bringing patients to hospitals that are not in the same neighborhood in which law enforcement are working.
- Mike Gipson
Legislator
An extreme example of this is being experienced at my hospital that not too far from where I was born and raised, that's not too far from where I live now, and that's Martha Martha King Community Hospital in South Los Angeles or Watts. I have been a long standing champion for the quality of care that is exemplified by this hospital, and it is very important to me and the residents in which I represent and have the necessary support, and keeping its doors open.
- Mike Gipson
Legislator
This is a simple bill that will that I would like to, one, require law enforcement to transport patients to the closest and designated facility that's geographically or by time rather than by any hospital that's that's that they choose. In in cases where a designated facility is unable to accept an individual, the individual shall be transported to the nearest appropriate emergency department to where the custody was first assumed.
- Mike Gipson
Legislator
This bill seeks to ensure that a that the vulnerable California receive a timely medical care by establishing clear, consistent standards for law enforcement transport.
- Mike Gipson
Legislator
In addition, it would establish a quarterly reporting framework to emergency medical service authorities on all emergency department transport. Data shows that there have been over 400 law enforcement transport to Martin Luther King Hospital over the last four months, including jurisdictions far outside its service area. In a meeting with, with, hospitals leadership, I've learned that some of the patients come from as far as Santa Monica, Hollywood, and Pasadena.
- Mike Gipson
Legislator
Now we're talking about from Santa Monica, Hollywood, and Pasadena to Martin Luther King that sits on a Hundred And 20th between San Pedro and Willowbrook. The just vision where that's at.
- Mike Gipson
Legislator
Example, Martha King Community Hospital seeing, seeing patients coming from this particular area, which is roughly 20 miles away, bypassing seven hospitals. And in Pasadena, which is an estimate 22 miles away, bypassing five hospitals, that is an average of about 100 law enforcement drop offs per month or about 1,200 in one year. Without legislation, Martha King would continue to see drop offs that comes from Santa Monica and Pasadena perhaps every week.
- Mike Gipson
Legislator
This places a significant strain on the limited resources of the safety net of hospitals and exacerbate, already high emergency department utilization. Assembly bill 2405 addresses inadequate and strengthening the overall emergency care systems, while supporting the long term, stabilities of our safety net hospitals that improves outcomes for patients across California.
- Mike Gipson
Legislator
Simply put, the Martha King Hospital is a distressed hospital, and we all know this. Martha King Hospital is has risen from the ashes. This hospital closed down once before, and it reopened again. And we're trying to make sure that we do everything possible to making sure that Martha King Community Hospital doesn't close down in this community.
- Mike Gipson
Legislator
And with me to to provide supporting testimony is the vice president who was self printed as the vice president of community affairs at Martin Luther King Community Hospital who missed his flight and thank you very much for being here.
- Unidentified Speaker 046ID Pending
Good evening madam Chair and members. Christy Weese with Capital Advocacy. It's all good. I'm on behalf of the Martin Luther King Junior Community Hospital. Doctor.
- Unidentified Speaker 046ID Pending
Nakashi is gonna provide the bulk of our testimony, but I just wanted to really thank the committee for all of the work that the staff did helping us kind of work through some of the issues in the bill. And so I just wanna acknowledge that and take it away.
- Unidentified Speaker 075ID Pending
Thank you, Assembly member. Thank you, senators. My name is doctor Nakasi, and I'm the vice president of community and government affairs of Martin Luther King Hospital in South Los Angeles. I'm here in support of the bill. Our emergency department is facing overcrowding crisis that endangers patient safety and medical care.
- Unidentified Speaker 075ID Pending
We have 29 beds, but routinely see 350 patients a day, making us one of the busiest emergency departments in The United States Of America. Top 20. Even our chapel and gift shop today are used for patient care. One unfair reason why are drop offs by patients, by law enforcement agencies far away from our community. Timely access to appropriate care is a matter of statewide concern.
- Unidentified Speaker 075ID Pending
EMS is required to transport patients to the nearest appropriate receiving facility, yet law enforcement do not have uniform standards. This inconsistency in transport practices results in unsafe delays, unfair distribution of patients across healthcare facilities, and overcrowding of safety net hospitals. We see this firsthand. In a four month period, we had 400 law enforcement drop offs. On April 4, at 12:28am, a patient on a fifty one fifty hold was dropped off from San Gabriel near Pasadena.
- Unidentified Speaker 075ID Pending
The distance from San Gabriel to MLK Community Hospital is 22 miles. This drop off would've had to bypass more than 13 facilities, Huntington Hospital, San Gabriel Valley Hospital, Garfield Medical Center, Monterey Park Hospital, Adventist Healthway Memorial Hospital, and eight others. For someone in a behavioral health crisis, that delay can be dangerous. Minutes matter. This also creates unfairness.
- Unidentified Speaker 075ID Pending
A small number of facilities end up carrying a disproportionate load, straining our hospitals and worsening overcrowding. AB 2405 fixes this by creating a simple, common sense, and uniform standard. If law enforcement transports someone on a fifty one fifty hold, go to the nearest facility. I respectfully ask for your aye vote. Thank you.
- Akilah Weber Pierson
Legislator
Thank you. If there's anyone in the audience who would like to speak in support of this bill, this is your time to come to the microphone. State your name, your organization, and your position. Seeing none, if there's anyone who would like to speak as lead opposition, this is your time to come to the table, and you will have a combined total of five minutes for your presentation.
- Unidentified Speaker 052ID Pending
Thank you, madam Chair and senators. Corey Seltzil on behalf of the California State Sheriffs Association, in opposition to AB 2405. Appreciate the the committee's work, the office work, the sponsor's work, on the amendments. I would say overall they make some good changes. They make some bad changes.
- Unidentified Speaker 052ID Pending
One thing I would note is the previous version, finally, the version that's in print, which will no longer be the case, but finally included an allowance for exigent circumstances. So when there was some reason that the peace officer wouldn't take a fifty one fifty to the nearest facility, that there was sort of an allowance for that.
- Unidentified Speaker 052ID Pending
Now I will say that it wasn't a very good exigent circumstances because it was limited to mass casualty events and a few other narrow examples, but at least it recognized the problem with putting these rigid requirements in statutes. And now with the amended version, that language is gone. The bill also imposes an unfunded mandate that law enforcement agencies report quarterly on several categories of data relative to ED transport.
- Unidentified Speaker 052ID Pending
The bottom line is this sort of law enforcement practice should not be subjected to a specific statutory regulation. There are many factors that might go into a decision as to where a person should be transported and local protocol should be determinative. We we don't have statutory transport standards for fifty one fifty patients because it's not our primary function. We're not routinely transporting people to emergency departments. Certainly, it's rare in acute medical circumstances, but also in fifty one fifty cases.
- Unidentified Speaker 052ID Pending
And when, when peace officers and deputy sheriffs do make those transports, it it takes time and they're they end up having to stay with the person who they are caring for and who they are taking to this placement. So, again, acknowledge the work that's been done, but still the bottom line is this puts rigid standards in the statute, that we disagree with. So we'd ask for your no vote. Thank you.
- Unidentified Speaker 069ID Pending
Yep. Evening, Chair and members. Jonathan Feldman with the California Police Chiefs Association. Echo the comments from my colleague. I'll just say that law enforcement is not medical transport.
- Unidentified Speaker 069ID Pending
They're not meant to be medical transport. They do in exigent circumstances on fifty one fifty cases, but they don't have, like, our fire and our EMS, a list of available facilities, which alternatives to, you know, hospitals to drop them off at. Why someone's going from Pasadena into MLK Hospital? I don't know. But I'm sure that there's a reason that they drove 22 miles.
- Unidentified Speaker 022ID Pending
I would also like to better understand the scope of the data that you keep bringing up because I don't have a I haven't had a chance to verify any of that with the LA County Chiefs. I still feel like this is a local issue that needs to be addressed at a local level. There are statewide counties, regions that are not having this problem that we're gonna subject all of our law enforcement at rural areas.
- Unidentified Speaker 022ID Pending
I know there's been mention of the Bay Area cities having similar problems. I haven't heard any of that from our local law enforcement agencies or chiefs down there.
- Unidentified Speaker 022ID Pending
And at the end of the day, you know, an officer is gonna sit there with a patient having a MapQuest, which hospital is closest to them by either geographic or time. They're gonna waste time doing that. They're not gonna have the systems again that are fire and EMS are gonna have that are gonna tell them where to go. And if they get it wrong, they're gonna be exposed to some type of civil litigation or liability.
- Unidentified Speaker 022ID Pending
I know the penalties were stripped from the bill, but that doesn't mean that an agency can violate state law and not face some type of consequences.
- Unidentified Speaker 069ID Pending
Again, I think there's other ways to get at this. I think there's a local problem that does need to be addressed, but I don't think it's through this bill or through statutory reforms. And for that reason, we are opposed.
- Akilah Weber Pierson
Legislator
Thank you. If there's anyone else who would like to register their opposition, this is your time to come forward. Please state your name, your organization, and your position.
- Unidentified Speaker 053ID Pending
Madam Chair, members, Julian Devores on behalf of the League of California Cities. We currently have an opposed position. We really appreciate, the committee staff, the author, and the sponsors listening to our concerns about the previous version, which was in the Emergency Medical Services Act, which we just didn't couldn't find a way to make that work. So we appreciate moving it out of that, code section, but we still do have concerns with some of the mandates that are remaining in the bill for law enforcement.
- Unidentified Speaker 053ID Pending
Hope to continue to work on those issues, as the bill moves forward, but really appreciate the amendments.
- Unidentified Speaker 004ID Pending
Good evening, madam Chair and senators. Doug Super is on behalf of the California Professional Firefighters. We are opposed to the bill in print but do appreciate the work of the committee and the author and the sponsors. I look forward to reviewing the amendments with our leadership. Thank you.
- Akilah Weber Pierson
Legislator
Thank you. Seeing no further individuals in the audience who would like to register their support, opposition, or Tweener, we'll bring it back to committee. Senator Padilla.
- Unidentified Speaker 048ID Pending
Thank you very much, madam Chair. Appreciate your staff's work on this. Appreciate the testimony and obviously appreciate the author. I just wanted clarification on the impetus for the bill, operationally, statistically. I heard some of that testimony referenced in support of the bill, but and I'm a dinosaur by today's standards because it was decades ago when I did this work, before college or law school.
- Unidentified Speaker 048ID Pending
So it's been a long time. But even then, for officers in the field when dealing with an individual that's gonna go under fifty one fifty for a seventy two hour evaluation or beyond, it's not at all unusual to have a need for that individual to be evaluated at a medical facility in in ED or otherwise. Not at all unusual. But the typical protocol there was to have EMS respond on-site, do an evaluation assessment and per their protocols, train to handle the transport.
- Unidentified Speaker 048ID Pending
In my experience, and I may I may be missing something or or it may have changed, that was extremely extremely extremely rare. I mean, it just did not happen as the chief's testimony pointed out. There was a variety of reasons why from, you know, patient outcome standpoint, protocol standpoint, you know, liability stand I mean, all kinds of issues, infrastructure, cost, time, and the whole nine yards. Those extremely, extremely rare.
- Unidentified Speaker 048ID Pending
So I wanna make sure I better and and I'm inclined to work with the author to help him move his bill and, you know, keep if he's trying to get us something that maybe you as the author, Assembly member, have experienced some unusual sick set of circumstances with respect to the particular facility at Martin Luther King.
- Unidentified Speaker 048ID Pending
I am I am very, however, familiar with some of the social justice, equitable sort of issues that are a bit in play when there are sometimes too much movement of persons in a certain condition or certain need to facilities that are in communities that are poor and underserved, and you have an over concentration of that. I'd be very interested in just understanding, like, what the data is behind that because I but I will concede. I I've seen that. That's been a problem for decades.
- Unidentified Speaker 048ID Pending
But here, this just what's been described as kind of in in my experience was exceedingly rare.
- Unidentified Speaker 048ID Pending
So can you enlighten enlighten me about a a little more clarity about what we're trying to get at? Do we have some numbers? Do we have some data? Do we know why officers are transporting people to emergency departments directly and why EMS is not doing that? Is it more expeditious?
- Unidentified Speaker 048ID Pending
Is you don't wanna wait around for EMS to respond because they're overwhelmed? Is it like, what's going on? I guess is my technical question, if you indulge me, Assembly member.
- Unidentified Speaker 033ID Pending
Yeah. I'm I'm happy to. So we've heard from the Palm Springs area, the San Diego area, the Sacramento area, and Los Angeles area of this practice of bypassing the closest facility, from multiple regions. One of the big reasons we have the data reporting provisions is to better understand the full scope, scale, and extent of this and the rationale why. And so that's a really important part of the bill is it explains when you bypass the nearest facility, what is the reason?
- Unidentified Speaker 033ID Pending
Because that is very critical for us to understand, which isn't being collected at present day. So we are hearing this on the field from multiple jurisdictions and communities, but that is a big reason why we have the data reporting, to better understand the full extent of this.
- Unidentified Speaker 033ID Pending
The other second part of the question is because of SB 403's expansion of grave disability, the first expansion in fifty years of state law, this will only get more challenging because now there is involvement with that expansion of putting individuals under fifty one fifty holds and bringing them to these facilities. So we also wanna get ahead of what is already a crisis from getting worse.
- Unidentified Speaker 048ID Pending
I understand that testimony doctor and I appreciate it. And and I may have missed it so I apologize to the Chair of the Committee if I just missed something that's obvious. But the language that I see even in the amended mock up for the proposed amends deal with peace officer transport. Does you know, when you have somebody who meets the threshold for assessment, peace officers are the ones that are causing transport or or lawfully detaining this person for evaluation.
- Unidentified Speaker 048ID Pending
Is it is it to the psych facility at the hospital?
- Unidentified Speaker 048ID Pending
Is that collocated in the in the ED? Is it just is it LA have a different system for the physical facility wherein those evaluations are conducted? Yeah. Is it always an ED?
- Unidentified Speaker 033ID Pending
Sometimes it's a general hospital that has the LPS designation to have these fifty one fifty patients, but sometimes it's a standalone psychiatric facility that's a fifty one fifty.
- Unidentified Speaker 048ID Pending
Okay. I think I follow you better now. Thank you for clarification.
- Unidentified Speaker 046ID Pending
And if I can just add to that, Senator. I think what what the hospital is dealing with is a is really sort of a perfect storm of factors. Right? The factors that you described, the factors that Doctor. Akasti has described.
- Unidentified Speaker 046ID Pending
And we are trying to thread the needle here and figure out what is the right response. Right? The original version of the bill had kind of EMS folks more involved. There were some concerns about that. You know, we're going down this path to try to address some of that.
- Unidentified Speaker 046ID Pending
So it is multiple factors here that we're trying to sort through.
- Suzette Martinez Valladares
Legislator
Thank you madam Chair. I can completely understand your frustration you know in the Antelope Valley we get, homeless that are put on our, metro and dropped off and sent all the way to the end of the line, which is Lancaster. So I can I can completely understand the frustration, especially in poor communities and my and minority communities? But I think that this this the bill isn't just isn't there yet.
- Suzette Martinez Valladares
Legislator
And one of my concerns well, I guess one of my first questions here is, can we clarify, is this just 51 fifties?
- Suzette Martinez Valladares
Legislator
Yes. Okay. So then my follow-up question here though is if would this also apply this applies to all law enforcement, all transports. And I'm looking at this through the lens of our local our local jail in in Santa Clarita. So if we have an I have a friend who does transport for the jails.
- Suzette Martinez Valladares
Legislator
So if the jail if were to do a transport to the nearest hospital, they already are in contract typically with the hospital for prisoner transports typically. Is that is that accurate?
- Unidentified Speaker 052ID Pending
It's not inaccurate through the Chair. That would that would be a common practice that if it was from the jail, if there was some medical care required, there might be a hospital with whom the county has a contract for the sheriff.
- Suzette Martinez Valladares
Legislator
So if that's the nearest hospital and the hospital was full because I've seen this happen to me in my community where I was in
- Suzette Martinez Valladares
Legislator
accident. I in a limo accident, nine of us, I was the last out and the most critical. Seven broken ribs, punctured lung, broke a fractured sternum. And I could've had I been taken out first, I would've went to the hospital that was eight miles away, and I wasn't. So I was sent to the hospital that was 25 miles away.
- Suzette Martinez Valladares
Legislator
Would would you not would from my understanding from the language, you wouldn't that the jail, our pitches, our wayside detention center would not be able to transport to any other hospital because we we have one in Santa Clarita that's the closest.
- Unidentified Speaker 052ID Pending
Through the Chair, my my understanding of the language that's being discussed, the mock up, it says, in cases where a designated facility is unable to accept the individual and the emergency department becomes the chosen destination, the individual shall be transported to the nearest appropriate ED to where the peace officer first assumed custody of the individual for purposes of transport. That's 5150. I'm not entirely clear what that means and maybe the the author and proponents could make that clear.
- Unidentified Speaker 052ID Pending
But I the the point you're getting at, Senator, I think is Yeah.
- Unidentified Speaker 052ID Pending
Is our concern that it's, you know, you're putting it in statute. If if it's not this, then it's this. But you may not know when that is. You may not know when the hospital's on diversion. You may not know if there's
- Unidentified Speaker 052ID Pending
you can't physically get that person into the facility. That's designated.
- Unidentified Speaker 046ID Pending
Okay. But to if I might clarify the I think the circumstance you're speaking to Senator is the bill in print. The amendments that the committee has recommended and that the author is accepting is significantly narrowing the scope of the bill to just fifty one fifty
- Suzette Martinez Valladares
Legislator
patients. Okay. And then lastly, I mean, the the sponsors kind of stated that we don't actually know the why and we don't have the data. So I do think it's a little premature to put in statute, you know, very, you know, specific guardrails for what law enforcement can do when we don't have the data.
- Unidentified Speaker 033ID Pending
Yeah. If I may respond. We've been tracking the data
- Shannon Grove
Legislator
Thank you, madam Chair. I appreciate the author's passion for his community and trying to solve this problem that we don't have data to we don't have data. We have the data the doctor has collected in different things. I just did some quick research in on the language in the bill or the amendments actually that changed it. And it does only address fifty one fifty holds, but it's and I didn't get a a whole list.
- Shannon Grove
Legislator
You talked very quickly, about every hospital that was passed in that 22 mile. There were seven hospitals and you rattled them off. But, Martin Luther King Hospital is clearly a place where they can take 51 fifties and treat them and you have a in house or somehow close in the same facility or campus. A psychiatric hold where you can hold a fifty one fifty for up to, I believe, seventy two hours. But the Pasadena hospital, it's not that possible.
- Shannon Grove
Legislator
It's called the Huntington Hospital. They do not have that same case ability. So could it be that law enforcement is transferring that person that's a fifty one fifty hold to Martin Luther King Hospital bypassing those other hospitals because Martin Luther King has a designated site accurate facility attached to them where they can evaluate them in the air, stabilize them, and then move them to the next door building. Is that part of the issue?
- Unidentified Speaker 033ID Pending
Could could I clarify? It's a great question. There are 52 designated facilities in LA County. 52.
- Unidentified Speaker 033ID Pending
So the distance 22 miles, there's we could get the list, but there's probably six to 12 facilities bypassed of the fifty one fifty facilities.
- Shannon Grove
Legislator
But when you say facilities, are you talking about hospitals? I mean, like, if if again and again and I'm I'm law enforcement is way smarter than I am. But if I've got my grandkid in the back seat and I need to find some place to go, again, not a fifty one fifty, I'm gonna take her to an ER room. I'm not gonna look for an urgent care that I don't know exactly who the doctors are or where they're at.
- Shannon Grove
Legislator
So I think it's more reputation of your hospital being exemplary. You know, you're in treatment for people and you have this facility right there available to make sure that the the people get a continuity of care.
- Shannon Grove
Legislator
And I think it I would, you know, commend law enforcement for doing that because based on what I've looked at just a comparison of the two hospitals that you mentioned that I you know, the Martin Luther King Junior Hospital and the Huntington Hospital, you are by far the most excellent comprehensive care for fifty one fifty holds than that other hospital. So I guess to get them the best care I mean, are we looking for the best care? Are we looking for the quickest care?
- Shannon Grove
Legislator
I'm looking for the best care. So that's my question. You have a you're an ex you're an extraordinarily proficient hospital. You provide this specific service with doctors on-site on a continuous basis where another hospital might only have a a a all time doctor or, you know, a I don't know.
- Shannon Grove
Legislator
be called in from another facility or whatever. But law enforcement knows if they take them to that facility, your facility, they have, at least it looks like if if it was me and I was law enforcement based on what I just looked at at those two hospitals that you mentioned, I would immediately go to you because you're the expert in the field in that area. And somebody else may not get the most proper treatment. So I commend law enforcement for doing that.
- Unidentified Speaker 046ID Pending
I I think, Senator, that's part of the complexity of the situation that we're navigating. Okay. The bill as it was introduced was much broader and I think we had had some good and productive conversations with law enforcement, our colleagues at the table and other folks in which they acknowledge that when law enforcement is in this situation part of what they're trying to do is to take a patient offload a patient as quickly as possible most efficient as possible and get back on the streets right?
- Unidentified Speaker 046ID Pending
I think I think they're trying to manage all of these factors at the same time in a challenging situation. I think that the challenge that the hospital has is is, you know, as the Assembly member has shared and the doctor has shared, they have a very impacted emergency department. And so what they are what they have found is that this is an in a practice that has become challenging and problematic for them because of the volume.
- Shannon Grove
Legislator
And I get that and I know that we allocated resources because I also sit on that committee where we had a fine my colleague miss Small Cuevas does too because it was financially impacted. And I get that and we need to make sure that you guys get the resources. But I guess I go back to the same statement that I just made Based on and I don't remember all the hospitals that you mentioned, you are by far the best at fifty one fifty holds.
- Shannon Grove
Legislator
Whether you're the best at, I don't know, cardiovascular, I didn't look at that. But I don't know.
- Shannon Grove
Legislator
You know what I mean? But you are by far an incredibly high performing hospital. And I I guess, I think that law enforcement being able to oh, yeah. Martin Luther King, they take care of this stuff and take them there. I think that it's it's not I don't think it's malicious.
- Unidentified Speaker 033ID Pending
Thank you. I appreciate you recognized our tremendous quality. I actually very much appreciate that because the the hospital has starred very well four to five stars on on the Federal Government rankings. So one, thank you for agree. Yeah.
- Unidentified Speaker 033ID Pending
Thank you for appreciating that. At the same time, I will say there are multiple other five star and four star hospitals, including amongst those 52 facilities that are designated for these patients. And so we, by far, are not the only one. And I will say, it's not a decision of us versus another hospital one mile away. This is a flagrant bypassing of a half dozen to dozen high quality LPS facilities.
- Shannon Grove
Legislator
Like I said, sir, I didn't memorize every hospital you rattled off. I just the Pasadena Hospital, which is a Huntington Hospital, and I just did the comparison of those two. So it wasn't a true comparison. I'm just saying based on the information that I just looked at, you were by far the most qualified hospital. So, anyways, it is only fifty one fifty holds, and I think those are probably some of the most difficult people to to to deal with when you're picking them up.
- Shannon Grove
Legislator
And maybe the stress on the fifty one fifty hold is even heightened because an officer involved is involved in that hold. They're in the back of a police car. You know, think about that. And I'd again, I just think that I guess if there was another hospital with your criteria and where you're at, and I say hospital, not a urgent care, not a facility, not you said 52 facilities.
- Shannon Grove
Legislator
I would wanna make sure that they're up to the standard that you have for officers to have to do that.
- Shannon Grove
Legislator
And again, I sympathize with the officers on what do they do? You know, hey, Siri, closest hospital to my location. It's doing that. Sorry. You know what?
- Shannon Grove
Legislator
What how did what do they do, I guess, is your suggestion or your suggestion. I get what you're I think I'm getting what you're thinking, but I don't think you're right. Just saying. No? No.
- Shannon Grove
Legislator
Okay. Well, I appreciate you. And I love that you have a passion and heart for your community. But I thank you. I can't support the bill today, but I think you're a wonderful author.
- MarĂa Elena Durazo
Legislator
Doudazzo. I'm a little one of my questions is is, has this conversation happened before today or over the last couple of days? In other words, this is a very dramatic example that you all are bringing forward about hundreds of people being, you know, bypassed. I just is that happening without conversation about why and how to fix it? Or is this the first time taking it up?
- MarĂa Elena Durazo
Legislator
The problem described about the drop offs. No. I mean, I just I guess I'm just like, there's so many factors here. I'm not sure. There's so many issues, so many factors.
- MarĂa Elena Durazo
Legislator
It's hard to zero in and say, here's the solution for this. I
- MarĂa Elena Durazo
Legislator
find it hard to understand a solution to this because on the one hand, it seems so obvious that how can this be happening? Yeah. But on the other hand, if it is happening, then how come it wasn't talked about and tried to solve in a different way than Right. A state law where it might not fit. Right.
- Mike Gipson
Legislator
Right. And if I may just add some context to this. The county board of supervisors took a resolution and addressed this. So the supervisor Holly Mitchell recognized this and brought this before the board of supervisors a few years ago, and it was passed. And I think Yeah.
- Mike Gipson
Legislator
You can the doctor can talk about that resolution, and they recognize that this Harabedian ongoing situation. And so it was that prompted this.
- Mike Gipson
Legislator
And when you go and for me to to hear and see the overwhelming amount of patients at Martha King Hospital, and this is just one of the factors that contributes to not only the distress Martha King Hospital being deemed a distressed hospital, but also me trying to make sure that this hospital's doors remain open to making sure that it provides the kind of care, and kind and get the kinds of recognition it's it's received that is providing the kind of care that it needs for the entire region and recognizing that this adds to, the overwhelming of services, there at the hospital, and trying to do something about it.
- Mike Gipson
Legislator
That's what gave rise to Assembly bill 2405, and that's why we're here. And to the opposition, we continue to work with the opposition, and I believe this indicative of those who have testified, whether it's firefighters and and the the leagues of cities, that we continue to work with opposition to try to get to them to a neutral position, and we'll continue to do so.
- Mike Gipson
Legislator
But I would like the the good doctor to talk about what happened with the LA board of supervisors and that resolution.
- Suzette Martinez Valladares
Legislator
did did you want him to answer that or Yes. Okay.
- Unidentified Speaker 033ID Pending
Yes. In December 2022, this has been a long standing issue for our community. And so supervisor Holly Mitchell along with the board of supervisors passed unanimously five zero a resolution to address the displacement of patients from other communities being left at our hospital under fifty one fifty holds. I'm pretty sure that resolution. The outcome of that evaluation, though, was that the board of supervisors in the county departments only have authority over EMS, local EMS.
- Unidentified Speaker 033ID Pending
They do not have authority over the transports of law enforcement, and there were 45 law enforcement agencies in LA County. When you count every municipal and city agency, there were 45. So the board did not have ability and authority in a unregulated space to evaluate and direct those transports. That was one of the the outcomes of that. So thus necessitating the state level
- Unidentified Speaker 001ID Pending
want Yes. From my conversations with the police chiefs in LA County, they were unaware of this issue, at least at this level. Not even aware of the resolution. So passing a resolution without having conversations directly with the police chiefs down there on how to fix this and why they're passing them up. I mean, I I you know, the conversation, about passing designated facilities.
- Unidentified Speaker 001ID Pending
I can tell you an officer on the street doesn't know that there are 52 designated facilities around them. They don't know the bed space. They don't have that information at their fingertips. That is one of the problems and we have talked about this. Officers don't have available bed space numbers at their fingertips in their cat or RMS system like a fire, department would, like an EMS transport would.
- Unidentified Speaker 001ID Pending
So I think there are a lot of local conversations that are still necessary to be had. One of our concerns about, you know, again, a statewide law like this that we don't have the answers, we don't have the information, and this is gonna apply, you know, in every one of your counties that this is not a problem. I I do agree that something has to get fixed here. There are a lot of questions as to why this is happening.
- Unidentified Speaker 001ID Pending
I don't I don't fully understand the extent of what is happening.
- Unidentified Speaker 001ID Pending
I don't know if those numbers are all 51 fifties or other medical transports. I don't know why they're happening. But I have really serious concerns about us going down this path with a statewide statute that's gonna, again, have officers geolocating the nearest designated facility where they might not even know which ones they are. They don't have that list. And they're gonna map quest to it.
- Unidentified Speaker 001ID Pending
They're gonna get it wrong and there's gonna be civil liability from the the the individual or the the hospital that they transport to because they got it wrong.
- Unidentified Speaker 003ID Pending
Sorry. Through the may I just very briefly, madam Chair. Thank you. Senator, just on the on the notion of a county board resolution, the the county board can't tell a municipal police department what to do or how to do it. They could work with the sheriff's office obviously because that's a county function but again the sheriff's elected and I'm I'm not aware of any conversations.
- Unidentified Speaker 003ID Pending
I don't I'm not saying they haven't happened but I don't know if if the hospital has talked to the sheriff's office and said, hey. Why are deputies taking people to Martin Luther King and not x hospital instead? And again, to the to the point of, you know, there's probably a local solution or at least local conversations that that ought to take first before being a state law applied to every community in the
- Akilah Weber Pierson
Legislator
state. Thank you. Well, Senator Perez I left. And then Senator Smallwick oh, there's someone. Well, no.
- Akilah Weber Pierson
Legislator
She just left. So Senator Smallwick okay. So I I just wanna say we
- Lola Smallwood-Cuevas
Legislator
there's a chronic problem of patient dumping in South LA. 51 fifties homeless folks who hospitals historically in fact, our district attorney had to sue a number of medical institutions, because their patients were being dumped in Skid Row. And so it's not surprising to me that law enforcement would dump patients at MLK because they dump them in Skid Row because they just assume whether somebody that has some services around here that can help them.
- Lola Smallwood-Cuevas
Legislator
The problem with that is that it cost the local community a tremendous amount of money to be able to house, care, transport, identify these folks. And I think that's what this bill is getting at.
- Lola Smallwood-Cuevas
Legislator
And I think, unfortunately, we come here and there are a lot of opposing opinions about data. There's a lot of opposing opinions about whether this is a problem or not. I just had three hearings today where, you know, that's the case. But that's why we're here and and the fact that, you know, the county doesn't have authority and the state really is the entity that can help to regulate this. It seems to me that this is a, there certainly is precedent of this being a problem.
- Lola Smallwood-Cuevas
Legislator
Patient dumping is a problem. It sounds like the county has recognized that this is a problem. It sounds like there needs to be further negotiations. I'm inclined to support the bill today so that those negotiations can happen because I know the cost of patient dumping on communities. Where the local governments, police included, are told, do not drop people in our community.
- Lola Smallwood-Cuevas
Legislator
Take them to South Central. We don't want them here. So I don't, you know and these things are spoken. They might not they might be unspoken. And so I think that our responsibility is to make sure that people get the care, but that that care is shared.
- Lola Smallwood-Cuevas
Legislator
Yep. That this expense and the cost of that is shared. And certainly, MLK punches above its weight, but we all know we have to fight to keep the doors of MLK open every single year because they are seeing way more patients and the resources to care for. So I'm inclined to support this bill today. I appreciate the author raising it.
- Lola Smallwood-Cuevas
Legislator
I appreciate the conversation and from law enforcement really trying to understand what is happening here and how we can solve and resolve it. But there is a long precedent of patient dumping. This just is another variation of it and, I'm happy to support the bill when the time is right.
- Anna Caballero
Legislator
Thank you madam Chair. The really appreciate the doctor being here today. And I know you missed your flight. This is really important. I had the opportunity because I was one of the co authors of the distressed hospital loan program.
- Anna Caballero
Legislator
And Martin Luther King was one of the hospitals that that was a recipient of the resources. I had an opportunity about four months ago to visit and what an incredible facility. But at that time and and they are, they're using every single inch of that facility and doing a tremendous job not only for the local community but for an extended area.
- Anna Caballero
Legislator
And we talked in-depth about not only patient dumping at that time but also the refusal of sister hospitals that are in wealthier communities, that have the staff to deal with serious, illnesses, whether they be heart, liver, whatever they are, their refusal to take poor patients that have no capacity to pay. And, and this and and the fact that when they refuse, they die in the hospital because they are that critical.
- Anna Caballero
Legislator
And, there's a lot of work to be done. I'm inclined to do as you suggested move this along, but with the understanding that I won't vote for it on the floor unless there's a good resolution that takes into consideration some of the issues that have been raised here. I think this discussion has been really important. And I don't have the solution, but if you need some help talking through it, more than happy to talk with you.
- Anna Caballero
Legislator
But the the Martin Luther King is a fantastic hospital, and I don't think we wanna lose it.
- Unidentified Speaker 006ID Pending
Thank you, madam Chair. I appreciate the dialogue. I wanna clarify some earlier questions. First, I think first of all, the right protocol and policy here is for agency collaboration with designated facilities, with the county and multi jurisdictional collaboration. That means dialogue.
- Unidentified Speaker 006ID Pending
That means developing protocols and training so that people in the field do know where those designated designated facilities are and that they could transport somebody under fifty one fifty to that facility. These are all very workable and appropriate. I think it's the right policy. But it's gonna take some work. And so and I don't think you're there yet.
- Unidentified Speaker 006ID Pending
This is almost a very different bill than what I was originally briefed on before I look at the amends. And you'll forgive me, madam Chair. When I looked at the first bill, it was a very different bill. The language was very different. It applied almost to a different set of scenarios.
- Unidentified Speaker 006ID Pending
Looking at the amends, it was clear. It's fifty one fifty evaluation. And then looking at the language, it wasn't immediately clear that we're talking about designated facilities that engage in mental health services, not just an ED somewhere in a hospital. That presents a whole different set of issues. Thank the Chair and committee.
- Unidentified Speaker 006ID Pending
So I think the bill is trying to go in the right direction. I think there's a lot of work to be done. And for those reasons, I'll help move it along.
- Akilah Weber Pierson
Legislator
Thank you. Well, wanna thank you Assemblymember Gibson for bringing this very important bill forward, allowing for us to engage in this conversation. Wanna thank those who came out to speak in support and in opposition, Apologize that you had to miss your flight.
- Akilah Weber Pierson
Legislator
Question for you, doctor. When someone comes to your hospital and is placed on a 51, you know, 50, they come to the emergency room first. Right?
- Akilah Weber Pierson
Legislator
And then you do have a psychiatric unit at your facility.
- Unidentified Speaker 007ID Pending
It's it's complicated. The hospital is not actually a designated facility, which is why this makes it all the more startling. There is a urgent care next to the hospital, a county run that is designated, and there is a behavioral health psych floor next to the hospital.
- Unidentified Speaker 007ID Pending
We have two tents with behavioral health patients on black concrete today.
- Akilah Weber Pierson
Legislator
So let me ask you this. So you have patients that come to you on 5150 to your emergency room. You does you know, you deem that they need to be admitted. Yep. What do you do while you're waiting for that bed?
- Akilah Weber Pierson
Legislator
Taking up beds that could be used by others who are coming for emergent situations
- Akilah Weber Pierson
Legislator
An appendectomy, ectopic pregnancy, or whatever. Right? Correct. They are having to wait longer time in hallways, in the streets. And I I I Senator Grove just came back in, and and I know we we had this conversation before, but I want you to clarify the fact, once again, that MLK Hospital does not have a psychiatric inpatient unit.
- Unidentified Speaker 007ID Pending
Correct. So so MLK Hospital is not a LPS designated facility. Oh, okay. We have an LPS designated urgent care, psychiatric urgent care run by the county on campus, and we have a behavioral health acute psychiatric floor run by the county next door. But the hospital is not, yet we get these patients.
- Unidentified Speaker 007ID Pending
So it again illustrates this challenge, and they're on white tents on black concrete outside our hospital waiting for placement to psych facilities.
- Akilah Weber Pierson
Legislator
And as they're waiting for placement to the appropriate facilities which you do not have at MLK Hospital, they are taking up beds and spaces in the emergency room that could be used by others who are coming in for emergent reasons.
- Akilah Weber Pierson
Legislator
And, you know, understanding that I I think you had mentioned this that there have been laws that we have been passing recently that deal with who can take patients that are or people who are fifty one fifty and there is a chance that the numbers may grow from what you currently have based on some of the things that we've done here in Sacramento. Is that what you were alluding to?
- Akilah Weber Pierson
Legislator
Okay. And so when you have certain hospitals or emergency rooms that are overburdened, then it prevents them from being able to take care of other patients. It's also a strain financially and you mentioned the fact that MLK is a financially distressed hospital and you guys, you know, are amazing at what you do. And if we want you to continue to take care of everybody in LA County, then we should fund it to the point where you are able to take care of LA County.
- Akilah Weber Pierson
Legislator
But we haven't done that yet which is why you are just stressed and always coming to us asking for money.
- Akilah Weber Pierson
Legislator
I think I look at this from a very different lens because, as Senator, Smolik Cuevas was talking about patient dumping and it's not technically that term anymore because of EMTALA, but, you know, understanding that certain patients are taken to certain facilities, in certain communities is not new. It's not just LA. As you mentioned, San Diego and some other places, San Francisco has complained. I trained at county facilities.
- Akilah Weber Pierson
Legislator
I trained at Cook County Hospital and I would look up and say, how the heck did this patient get here from way over there?
- Akilah Weber Pierson
Legislator
I then worked in the busiest hospital, Parkland Hospital, faculty at UT Southwestern, but another county facility in Dallas. And I look at how did you get here? So I applaud you, Assemblymember Gibson, for tackling this issue. It's not an easy issue to tackle, But I think we also have to recognize that some of the things that we've done in the behavioral health space are making it more challenging. We're putting more on our, our police officers, and also subsequently on our local hospitals.
- Akilah Weber Pierson
Legislator
And so if someone needs care, they need to be taken to the nearest facility and not taken across town to a hospital who has some resources, not all. And even if they did have all, there's still only a certain capacity that any particular hospital can can hold. So I wanna thank you so much for bringing this bill forward. Thank you so much for engaging in this very long but very important discussion. Thank you so much for coming and you may close.
- MarĂa Elena Durazo
Legislator
I know it's late but I haven't spoken too much. I I feel very comfortable on the issue that we should not be doing this. There's something systemic about what's going on. So I that I feel very comfortable, my belief in that. On the other hand, the specific solution, I am not so sure because I don't have enough information to justify that.
- MarĂa Elena Durazo
Legislator
So I would ask all of you. We have got to take it serious for one. And two, is be much more specific on a way that we could take a giant step forward even if it's not the absolute, place we wanna be. But I would urge, this has gotta be taken serious. We can't ignore it and pretend it doesn't exist.
- Akilah Weber Pierson
Legislator
Thank you, Senator D'Arazo. And before you close, I also just wanna highlight that, the data portion in this in this bill, I think, is extremely important. I mean, people have been asking what what are the numbers and why. So thank you so much for for that and for taking the amendments, and you may close.
- Mike Gipson
Legislator
Thank you very much for the robust conversation. I appreciate it's not lost on me. I've taken copious notes about the data, and certainly, I will take every step working with opposition and working with the sponsors of the bills and bring you back something that if it gets to the floor in the Senate that you will be having you will have something that you can support and embrace and and look to each Senator Caballero taking you up on your suggestions coming to you.
- Mike Gipson
Legislator
We wanna get it right. I've been fighting, and I'm I have six months before I end my term here in this legislature.
- Mike Gipson
Legislator
And I want my legacy to be of which that I fought. I did something that mattered, that was significant, and that is to save and making sure the Martin Luther King Hospital continue to be around for generations to come and making sure these doors are open, that it service brown and black people in this community.
- Mike Gipson
Legislator
That's most important to me and making sure that I never have to revisit a time where I receive phone calls at 05:00 in the morning during the height of the pandemic where people were dying, they were on the floor, and we needed refrigeration. Those are moments that I never wanna see again. I was calling the governor at 05:00 in the morning and and, you know, doctor Gauley and and reaching out for help and things of that nature.
- Mike Gipson
Legislator
Martha King Hospital is very special, not only to my community, but my family because it saved my mother's my mother's life when she had a heart attack. Cedars Sinai was not reachable, for the paramedics to take my mother and transport her when she had hospital, but Martha King was. Martha King had the best and brightest hospitals, and the doctor staff was brilliant and gifted. When I was a police officer at Maywood, trauma, Martha King Hospital was there to save people's lives and things of that nature.
- Mike Gipson
Legislator
I wanna make sure that if a child has an asthma attack, that Martha King Hospital was there.
- Mike Gipson
Legislator
When it closed, we had 12 year old and 12 year old boy who died because Martha King Hospital was closed and the nearest hospital was not able to get to to save his life. And that's why Martha King Hospital, I fight for to making sure there is a systemic issue that I'm bringing before you today, and that is there's something innate wrong with when you talk about transport 22 miles to Martha King Hospital, when you're passing up, multiple hospitals that can do the same exact thing.
- Mike Gipson
Legislator
We narrowed this bill down to just fifty one fifty. And when you talk about the other 52 facilities that could handle the same exact thing, The same exact thing. You're passing up other capable facilities, but we're gonna bring it to Martin Luther King Hospital.
- Mike Gipson
Legislator
Something is wrong. We wanna get to the bottom of it. We could narrow this bill down to just Los Angeles County. But when we've done our research and we found that other hospitals are are suffering from the same exact thing, patient dumping, we said we wanna make sure that no other hospital in the state of California, especially those who are distressed hospitals, have to go through the same exact thing.
- Mike Gipson
Legislator
So we wanna make sure we cover the entire state of California to make sure that no other hospital has to experience the same thing that Martha King Hospital's experiencing.
- Mike Gipson
Legislator
Whether it's Long Beach Memorial, whether it's Seaside or whatever, We wanna make sure, especially in a time that we're living in right now, where health care has to be the number one priority on all of our minds, whether you have the ability to pay or not. We wanna make sure that if something is wrong, that you have the ability to go to a hospital and receive services. And Martha King, from my from my advantage and my point of view, it's that hospital.
- Mike Gipson
Legislator
And so I wanna work with opposition to making sure we get it right. We've been working with opposition, and we still have some more work to do.
- Mike Gipson
Legislator
And I wanna make sure that we have we have an opportunity to satisfy the opposition. We may not con we may not be able to get everything, but we wanna get to the the rucks of the the crux of the problem and taking everyone's advice through this very important dialogue today, I respectfully ask for an aye vote. Thank you very much, senators.
- Akilah Weber Pierson
Legislator
Thank you. Assembly member Gibson, we'll entertain a motion at this point.
- Akilah Weber Pierson
Legislator
Moved by, Senator Gonzales. The motion is do passed and we refer to the committee on public safety. Assistant, please call the roll.
- Unidentified Speaker 009ID Pending
Bebe Pearson. Aye. Bebe Pearson, aye. Barrederis? Padilla, aye.
- Akilah Weber Pierson
Legislator
Eight to zero will hold that, vote open. We will now move to file item 26, AB 2538 by Assemblymember Macedo. And thank you so much. I know you've been here for hours.
- Unidentified Speaker 010ID Pending
Just a little bit. I missed most of it. It's fine.
- Alexandra Macedo
Legislator
Thank I wanna first off thank my witnesses who have been so patient. I really appreciate it. Good evening, madam Chair and senators. Today, I'm presenting AB 2538, an important patient protection and program integrity bill dealing with Medi Cal Hospice services. Hospice is not just another health care benefit.
- Alexandra Macedo
Legislator
Hospice is an end of life care. Patients and families are often making this decision at one of the most difficult moments of their lives. Many families have never had to choose hospice before. They may not know what questions to ask, what warning signs to look for, or how to tell whether a provider is acting appropriately. This is why documentation, informed consent, and state oversight matter so much.
- Alexandra Macedo
Legislator
AB 2538 codifies a common sense accountability measure that the Department of Health Care Services has already began implementing administratively. Specifically, this bill requires a Hospice provider when a Medi Cal fee for service member elects Hospice to submit the online Medi Cal Hospice attestation form within five calendar days. That attestation is tied to counseling, informed consent, and completion of separate d h c d words are hard. DHCS eighty fifty two notice of election form.
- Alexandra Macedo
Legislator
Before public dollars are paid out to for hospice services, there should be a clear timely auditable record that the patient actually elected hospice, that informed consent was obtained, and that the provider is willing to attest to those facts.
- Alexandra Macedo
Legislator
I'm also accepting the committee amendments, which preserve DHCS's flexibility to continue administering and improving this process as it implements fraud fighting requirements and updates its systems. This bill also needs to be understood in the context of the timeline. This is not a new problem, and it did not appear overnight. Public reporting raised serious concerns about hospice fraud years ago. In 2021, the legislature responded by creating a moratorium on new hospice licenses.
- Alexandra Macedo
Legislator
In 2022, the state auditor confirmed what many had been warning about. Weak oversight had created opportunities for large scale fraud and abuse. The auditor identified serious red flags including extensive clustering of separately licensed hospice agencies in the same building, unusually long periods of hospice service, high rates of live discharge, and potential misuse of medical personnel identities. After that, the legislature gave CDPH authority to adopt emergency regulations, but the emergency regulation deadlines were extended repeatedly. The systems continue to be abused by bad actors.
- Alexandra Macedo
Legislator
And now, the strongest confirmation comes from the administration's own Department of Public Health. On June 1, the California Department of Public Health finally issued emergency hospice license regulations and declared that a factual emergency exists. CDPH stated that immediate action is necessary to, quote, avoid serious harm to public peace, health, safety, and general welfare. AB 2538 moves us in the right direction and gives d h c a DHCS clear and overwhelming authority to combat medical fraud.
- Alexandra Macedo
Legislator
With me today to testify in support is Darren Peterson, CEO of American Quality Life Hospice, and Diana Peterson, director of marketing at American Quality Life Hospice, who run a legitimate hospice care center and are providing free care to a victim of hospice fraud.
- Akilah Weber Pierson
Legislator
Thank you. You will have a combined total of five minutes for your presentation, and thank you for staying so long.
- Unidentified Speaker 012ID Pending
Thank you. Good afternoon, madam Chair and members. My name is Darren Peterson, and I am the CEO of American Quality Life Hospice. We provide hospice care to patients and their families during one of the most difficult and sensitive times in their lives. I am here today in strong support of AB 20538.
- Unidentified Speaker 012ID Pending
As a hospice provider, I wanna be clear. Hospice is not just another health care service. Hospice is end of life care. It requires trust, compassion, transparency, and a clear understanding from the patient and the family about what they are choosing. Unfortunately, those of us who are trying to do this work the right way have seen the damage caused by fraud and abuse in the hospice industry.
- Unidentified Speaker 012ID Pending
Bad actors do not just defraud Medi Cal or Medicare. They harm patients, confuse families, and undermine public trust in legitimate hospice providers. AB 2538 is a common sense step towards ensuring accountability for those who choose to take advantage of our most vulnerable patients. This bill creates a clear paper trail tied to the patient's election of care, which is vital to prevent fraudulent billing, which often thrives where documentation is weak, delayed, or inconsistent.
- Unidentified Speaker 013ID Pending
Good afternoon, Chair and senators. I am Diana Peterson, RN, director of operations. I'm going to be reading testimony on behalf of Trini Mexicano whose spouse was brought we brought on our service to care for him. So this is her testimony after they were actually sure. They were both defrauded but we're caring for her husband at this time.
- Unidentified Speaker 013ID Pending
So on behalf of Trini Mexicano, my name is Trini Mexicano. I am the wife and caregiver of my husband, Enrique Mexicano. She couldn't be here due to a doctor's appointment. A few months before all this happened, my husband burned his right leg and had a very bad wound with a lot of swelling. He went to the hospital and after he came home, he continued getting medical care from his doctor.
- Unidentified Speaker 013ID Pending
He July, a man named Travis came to our home and had us sign papers. During his visit, he told us, we just want to help good people like yourselves. He also told us that
- Unidentified Speaker 013ID Pending
medical supplies for my husband and for my He also told us that he could help get medical supplies for my husband and promised that a wheelchair would be provided. At that time, I did not understand that we were signing up for hospice. Nobody clearly explained to us what hospice meant or that it could affect the medical treatment my husband received. We were never told that hospice is usually for people who are no longer seeking curative treatment.
- Unidentified Speaker 013ID Pending
After we signed the papers, Travis took the booklet and paperwork with him and we never received copies.
- Unidentified Speaker 013ID Pending
After that, we did not see anyone from a hospice company for many months. No nurse came to check on my husband and nobody explained what services we were supposed to receive. During that time, my husband continued seeing his doctors, receiving home health services, and going to the hospital when needed. Nobody from the hospice company contacted us about these things. The wheelchair and other assistance that had been discussed by Travis were never clearly coordinated with us, and we remained uncertain about what services had actually been arranged.
- Unidentified Speaker 013ID Pending
As my husband's health continued to decline, my family became concerned and contacted American Quality Life Hospice to ask questions about hospice services and whether hospice might be appropriate for him. During this conversation, Diana Peterson, a nurse with American QLH, reviewed our situation and checked my husband's insurance eligibility. After reviewing the information, she became concerned that my husband may have been improperly enrolled in hospice without our full understanding and advised us that the circumstances should be investigated further.
- Unidentified Speaker 013ID Pending
While Diana was meeting with us, a nurse from Graceful Care Hospice called and scheduled a visit to our home. Because Diana was concerned about the situation and wanted to help us better understand what was happening, she made arrangements to be present when Graceful Care nurse arrived.
- Unidentified Speaker 013ID Pending
On November first fourth, the nurse from Graceful Care Hospice came to our home. When she arrived, she was not wearing any identification. She asked many questions about my husband's medical problems and medications which made me feel like she did not know much about his case. She told us she worked for the hospice company but also worked at a hospital and was responsible for many patients over a very large area. During the visit, she explained hospice in a way that confused me.
- Unidentified Speaker 013ID Pending
She said it wasn't really hospice and it made it sound like my husband could continue all of his regular medical treatments and keep seeing all of his doctors without any changes. This was different from what I had later learned hospice is supposed to be. She also did not seem concerned that my husband had been receiving home health services or had gone to the hospital while supposedly enrolled in hospice.
- Unidentified Speaker 013ID Pending
When I asked for paperwork or information, she could not provide any documents, business card, or copies of the admission papers. She told me that Travis had taken the admission packet when he enrolled my husband and confirmed that we had never been given copies.
- Unidentified Speaker 013ID Pending
The nurse told us that hospice visits were supposed to happen regularly, but she admitted that nobody had visited my husband since July. She said she would try to arrange more visits and additional services. While examining my husband, she saw his right leg was still very swollen and that he had an open wound from the burn. She ordered medical supplies and suggested antibiotics, but I wanted to wait until my husband saw his primary doctor the next day before starting any new medication.
- Unidentified Speaker 013ID Pending
After this experience, I became very concerned that we had not been properly informed about hospice and that my husband had not received the care and supervision we should have received.
- Unidentified Speaker 013ID Pending
It appeared that he had been enrolled in hospice without us fully understanding what we were agreeing to and then received little or no follow-up care for several months. We were not given important documents or our questions were not answered and we were left believing that my husband was simply receiving regular medical care. Because of these concerns, we decided to seek help from other hospice provider and learn more about our rights and the services my husband should have been receiving.
- Unidentified Speaker 013ID Pending
Everything written above is true to the best of my memory and understanding.
- Akilah Weber Pierson
Legislator
Thank you so much, for your testimony. I did let you go over about two minutes because I know that you guys have been here, like, all day. If there is anyone else in the audience who would like to register their support for this bill, this is your time to come to the microphone. Not seeing any movement. If there's anyone that would like to register or speak in opposition to this bill, please come forward.
- Akilah Weber Pierson
Legislator
Not seeing anyone moving. We'll bring it back to committee. Senator Menjivar.
- Lashae Sharp-Collins
Legislator
Hi Assemblymember. Just wanted to confirm. I know the analysis noted that you're codifying what the department's already doing. So, the current situation with this bill, it's not gonna change the landscape because the department already decided that what they're doing is at the highest level that they can do.
- Alexandra Macedo
Legislator
We're codifying this particular practice in state law. But actually, due to the wonderful amendments of the committee, it's actually giving them even more leeway because I don't think this goes far enough. I think this is just a small step at identifying a really big problem that we have that we are hearing the amount of victims of this crime.
- Alexandra Macedo
Legislator
It's patients, it's doctors, it's businesses, and so this is just codifying it in state law and then also making sure that we continue to develop more emergency regulations to address this hazard.
- Unidentified Speaker 010ID Pending
So five hours. Four? We're four and a half hours. And you stayed here all day?
- Alexandra Macedo
Legislator
But I would like to also tell you that they actually had to pay back almost $700,000 last year to the Federal Government because of fraud that happened here in the state of California, and they are providing free hospice care to an underserved community in the Central Valley because of this this practice that this is a small step, but we are so grateful to have them. Unfortunately, they just recently had to lay off nurses because of the financial burden to a legitimate hospice.
- Alexandra Macedo
Legislator
So this is my plea with all of you that we work together and address this very serious public health concern.
- Unidentified Speaker 010ID Pending
I wanna thank the member for bringing the bill forward. I'd love to be at it for a coauthor if you can take amendments. If you can't, you get this bill to the governor's desk. Thank you. Thank you, Senator.
- Akilah Weber Pierson
Legislator
Seeing no further comments from any senators, wanna thank you so much, Assemblymember, for bringing this very important bill forward, for waiting all of this time. So I will let you close.
- Akilah Weber Pierson
Legislator
Thank you, and thank you so much to to your witnesses. Committee doesn't usually run this long. So if you have to come back, don't worry, on another bill. It shouldn't be this long. Okay.
- Akilah Weber Pierson
Legislator
Moved by vice Chair Viadares. The motion is do passed as amended and we refer to the committee on appropriations. Assistant, please call the roll.
- Unidentified Speaker 009ID Pending
Weber Pearson. Aye. Weber Pearson, aye. Viadares? Aye.
- Unidentified Speaker 009ID Pending
Grove, Aye. Menjivar? Aye. Medjavar, Aye. Padilla?
- Akilah Weber Pierson
Legislator
Okay. We are now moving to our last bill of today. Once we hear this bill, we will go back and vote from the top on all of our bills one time.
- Akilah Weber Pierson
Legislator
We are now on file item twenty nine, AB 2613 by Assembly member Sharp Collins. You may begin. I know we've all been here for a long
- Lashae Sharp-Collins
Legislator
Girl, I got you. I got I have all y'all. Yeah. I'm ready.
- Lashae Sharp-Collins
Legislator
No. Okay. In all honesty, so yeah. I was yeah. The only just just give me one moment.
- Lashae Sharp-Collins
Legislator
The reason why is because my witness have been waiting all day. She had her daughter with her, and her daughter is now had to leave. I would like to give her I would like to yield my time to have her provide the testimony, but thank you for allowing me to be here this evening. And I am respectfully asking for your aye vote, but my witness is to testify in support is Christy Smith from policy and legislative advocates with Health Access California.
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you. I can also make this short. Good evening, madam Chair and committee members. My name is Christine Smith with Health Access California, and we are proud to support AB 2613. When contracts break down between health systems and insurance companies, patients are left in the middle.
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When while existing law requires health plans to cover the completion of services by a terminated provider, it is only if requested by the enrollee and if the provider and plan agree on terms and reimbursement. As such, this continued care is often challenging to access. Patients may be unaware of changes until they are denied care or faced with unexpected costs.
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This plan this bill will require, plans to use timely accessible communication methods, including opt in digital communication to make sure people are getting messages they choose to receive. I will admit that as a busy working mom of a toddler, it's hard to track everything I need to track even as a professional health advocate.
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When a message is electronic, I'm much more likely to see it and be able to respond. For low income patients who may move often, people with mobility issues or others with limited access to mail for differing reasons, even just normal life activities, this bill will improve their access to crucial updates from the plans and improve their access to essential care. We respectfully ask for your aye vote.
- Akilah Weber Pierson
Legislator
Thank you. If there's anyone else in the audience that would like to register support for this bill, this is your time to come forward. Not seeing anyone come forward. If there is anyone who would like to speak in opposition as a lead witness, this is your time to come forward to the table. And you will have a total of five minutes for your presentation.
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Thank you everyone. I'll make this very quick. Cassidy Heckman on behalf of the California Association of Health Plans, Very appreciative of the committee's amendments. However, we're still opposed unless amended for two reasons. The first is block transfer notifications are highly regulated and, we have concerns with the requirement that it's both an electronic and, a mail notification for efficiency and effectiveness.
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We recommend that it's an either or. And additionally, health plans must submit their block transfer filings to the DMHC at least 75 before potential contract termination. And after the filing is submitted, they must notify their enrollee sixty days prior to that termination. Due to the way the bill is currently drafted, we recommend this section of the bill is cleaned up and clarified in order to ensure continued access to care during this process.
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I want to thank the author for conversations and the committee for the amendments and, we look forward to continuing those discussions.
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Stephanie Watkins on behalf of the Association of California Life and Health Insurance Companies. Also like to thank the author and sponsor for the most immediate amendments. Look forward to continuing to work with them. We too have been opposed unless amended, but if the bill moves forward today, we're be actively engaged in that. Thank you.
- Akilah Weber Pierson
Legislator
Thank you. If there's anyone else in the audience that would like to register, opposition, this is your time to come forward. Not seeing anyone, we'll bring it back. Senator Senator Grove.
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Thank you, madam Chair. My deepest apologies on behalf of myself and my colleagues. It's been a long day and and your testimony was very compelling and I'm sorry that we cut your author off. I do. I apologize.
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But I think we're all in support of your bill and you have a very compelling testimony. And to the author, I mean, it makes sense to have electronic or mail, not both and and we don't want anybody to lose their coverage. Would you continue working with the opposition to address some of those issues? Thank you very much. So I'd still like to move the bill.
- Akilah Weber Pierson
Legislator
Thank you. Not seeing any further comments. Assemblymember Sharp Collins, thank you so very much for bringing this very important bill forward and working with our staff on amendments.
- Lashae Sharp-Collins
Legislator
Yes. This is a practical, modern, fixed, to make sure that patients, are not being pulled off of, you know, services, and I respectfully ask for your vote.
- Akilah Weber Pierson
Legislator
Thank you so much. The motion has been made by Senator Grove. Motion is do passed as amended, and we refer to the committee on appropriations. Secretary, please call the roll. Okay.
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Bebe Pearson. Aye. Bebe Pearson, aye. Maradares. Aye.
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Maradares, aye. Cabrero. Aye. Cabrero, aye. Durazo, aye.
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Menjivar. Mangivar. Menjivar, Aye. Padilla, Aye. Perez.
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Rubio, Aye. Small covers? Small covers, Aye. Eleven zero.
- Akilah Weber Pierson
Legislator
Eleven zero. That bill is out. Assemblymember, thank you so much for your patience in waiting. Okay. Committee, we are going to go back to the top.
- Akilah Weber Pierson
Legislator
We're gonna go back to the top. We're going to go through this one time. Starting with our consent calendar. Consent calendar files items four, seven, ten, nineteen, twenty two, 25, 27, and 28, AB 16961868, 20 09, twenty three fifty two, twenty three forty eight, twenty four eighty six, twenty five sixty two, and twenty five ninety eight. Do I have a motion on the consent calendar?
- Akilah Weber Pierson
Legislator
Moved by vice Chair Viadares. Assistant, please call the roll.
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Weber Pearson. Aye. Weber Pearson, aye, Viadares. Aye. Varadares, aye.
- Akilah Weber Pierson
Legislator
Eleven to zero. Consent calendar is adopted. We will go to file item number one, AB 387. May I have a motion, please? Moved by vice Chair Viadares.
- Akilah Weber Pierson
Legislator
Motion is do passed and we refer to the committee on education assistant. Please call the roll.
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Weber Pearson. Aye. Weber Pearson, Aye, Viadares. Aye. Variederis, aye.
- Akilah Weber Pierson
Legislator
So moved. Moved by Senator Rubio. Motion is do passed and we refer to the committee on business professions and economic development. Assistant, please call the roll.
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Weber Pearson? Aye. Weber Pearson, aye. Valadares? No.
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Valadares, no. Caballero? Aye. Caballero, aye. Drazio, aye.
- Akilah Weber Pierson
Legislator
File item three, AB 1682 by Assemblymember Hart. Can I get a motion? Moved by vice Chair Viadares. Motion is do passed and we refer to the committee on appropriations. Assistant, please call the roll.
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Weber Pearson. Aye. Weber Pearson, aye. Variederis. Aye.
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Variederis, aye. Caballero. Aye. Caballero, aye. Durazo, aye.
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Grove, aye. Menjivar? Aye. Menjivar, aye. Padilla?
- Akilah Weber Pierson
Legislator
Eleven and zero. Eleven and zero. That bill is out. We'll move to file item number five, AB 2540 by Assembly member Stefani. Can I get a motion?
- Akilah Weber Pierson
Legislator
Moved by, Senator Perez. Motion is do passed and re referred to the committee on education. Assistant, please call the roll.
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Weber Pearson. Aye. Weber Pearson, aye. Variederes. Caballero.
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Aye. Caballero, aye. D'Orazzo. D'Orazzo, aye. Gonzales?
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Rubio, aye. Smallcovez? Aye. Smallcovez, aye. Grove, no.
- Akilah Weber Pierson
Legislator
Nine to one, that bill is out. We will now move to file item six, AB 1843. Can I get a motion? Moved by Senator Smallwood Cuevas. Motion is do passed and re refer to the committee on appropriations.
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Weber Pearson? Aye. Weber Pearson, aye. Valerderas?
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Dierazo, aye. Gonzales? Aye. Gonzales, aye. Grove?
- Akilah Weber Pierson
Legislator
Eight to one, that bill is out. We'll now move to file item eight, AB 1929. Can I get a motion? Moved by Senator Gonzales. Motion is do passed and we refer to the committee on judiciary.
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Caballero, aye. Durazo? Aye. Durazo, aye. Gonzales?
- Akilah Weber Pierson
Legislator
Six to two. That bill is out. We'll move to file item 11, AB 2030. Can I get a motion?
- Akilah Weber Pierson
Legislator
I'm sorry. Yep. I'm sorry. We're going back to nine. A b file item nine, AB 1970 by Assemblymember Harbin Harabedian.
- Akilah Weber Pierson
Legislator
Can I get a motion? Move to go. Moved by Senator Padilla. Motion is do pass as amended and we refer to the committee on appropriations. Assistant, please call the roll.
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Weber Pearson? Aye. Weber Pearson, aye. Varadares? Nabodi.
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Aye. Drorozo, Aye. Gonzales. Gonzales, Aye. Grove.
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Menjivar? Aye. Menjivar, Aye. Padilla, Aye. Perez?
- Akilah Weber Pierson
Legislator
Nine to zero. Nine to zero. That bill is out. We'll go to file item 12, AB 2594. Sorry.
- Akilah Weber Pierson
Legislator
No. Now we're at eleven. Sorry. AB 2030. Can I get a motion?
- Akilah Weber Pierson
Legislator
Moved by Senator Caballero. Motion is do passed and we refer to the committee on judiciary. Assistant, please call the roll.
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Robert Pearson. Aye. Robert Pearson, aye. Valle D'erez? I just file item 11.
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Mangivar, Aye. Padilla? Padilla, Aye. Perez? 10 or 11?
- Akilah Weber Pierson
Legislator
Nine to two nine to zero. That bill is out. We'll move to file item 12, AB 2594. Can I get a motion? Moved by vice Chair Viaderas.
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Barbara Pearson. Aye. Barbara Pearson, aye. Viaderas.
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Viaderas, aye. Caviaros. Aye. Caviaros, aye. Caviaros, aye.
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Caviaros, aye. Rubio, Aye. Small clovers? Aye. Small clovers, Aye.
- Akilah Weber Pierson
Legislator
Eleven and zero. That bill is out. We're now at file item 13, AB 2066. Can I get a motion?
- Akilah Weber Pierson
Legislator
by Senator Caballero. Motion is do passed and we refer to the committee on appropriations. Assistant, please call the roll.
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Weber Pearson. Aye. Weber Pearson, Aye. Varadares. Aye.
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Varadares, Aye. Cavallero. Aye. Caballero, Aye. Terrazo.
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Grove Aye. Menjivar. Aye. Padilla Aye. Padilla Aye.
- Akilah Weber Pierson
Legislator
Okay. Eleven zero. That bill is out. We will move to file item 14, AB 2160. Can I get a motion?
- Akilah Weber Pierson
Legislator
Moved by Senator, Caballero. Motion is do passed and we refer to the committee on appropriations. Assistant, please call the roll.
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Weber Pearson? Aye. Weber Pearson, aye. Varadares? Aye.
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Variederis, aye. Caballero? Aye. Caballero, aye. Durazo, aye.
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Gonzales? Aye. Gonzales, aye. Grove, aye. Manjivar?
- Akilah Weber Pierson
Legislator
Oh, lift the call. Yes. Okay. We'll lift the call on that bill. Please call the absent members.
- Akilah Weber Pierson
Legislator
9 to zero. That bill is out. We are now at file item 16, AB 2093 by Assembly member Bower Cahan. Can I get a motion? Moved by vice Chair Viadaris.
- Akilah Weber Pierson
Legislator
Motion is do passed and we refer to the committee on emergency management. Assistant, please call the roll.
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Weber Pearson. Aye. Weber Pearson, aye. Viadares. Aye.
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Viadares, aye. Caballero. Aye. Caballero, aye. Torozzo, aye, Gonzales.
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Menjivar, Aye. Padilla. Aye. Padilla, Aye. Perez, Aye.
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Rubio. Aye. Rubio, Aye. Small covers. Smarkovas, Aye.
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nineteen, 21, and twenty two? Twenty and twenty two. Twenty and twenty two?
- Akilah Weber Pierson
Legislator
We are now at file item 17, AB 2135. Can I get a motion? Moved by, Senator Caballero. Motion is do passed as amended, and we refer to the Committee on Judiciary. Assistant, please call the roll.
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Bubba Pearson. Aye. Bubba Pearson, aye. Valadares? Caballero.
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Aye. Caballero, Aye. Terrazzo. Aye. Terrazzo, Aye.
- Akilah Weber Pierson
Legislator
9 to zero? Aye. 10 to 10 to zero, that bill is out. We will now move to file item 18 AB 2194. Lift the call.
- Akilah Weber Pierson
Legislator
Call the absent members. Menjivar? Call the absent members.
- Akilah Weber Pierson
Legislator
zero. 10 to zero. That bill is out. We were now at file item 23, AB 2651. Can I get a motion?
- Akilah Weber Pierson
Legislator
Moved by Senator Padilla. Motion is do passing. We refer to the committee on education. Assistant, please call the roll.
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Weber Pearson. Aye. Weber Pearson, aye. Valerderas. No.
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Valerderas, no. Cabero? Aye. Cabero, aye. Durazo, aye.
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Grove, no. Menjivar? Aye. Mangifer, Aye. Padilla, Aye.
- Akilah Weber Pierson
Legislator
Nine to two. That bill is out. We're now at file item 24, AB 2405. Please call the absent members. Yeah.
- Akilah Weber Pierson
Legislator
9 to zero. That bill is out. Number 24, the Gibson bill in the MLK hospital. No. Thank you.
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